To hear republican governors tell it, President Bidens new mandate for businesses with more than 100 workers is dictatorial, unlawful, unamerican, unconstitutional. A war against capitalism. One said it smacks of the soviet union. Another suggested its time to use the 25th Amendment and unseat the president. Im john berman, in for anderson. On a night when hysteria is high and sincerity low when it comes to republican reaction to the new Mandate President biden announced thursday. Today, the White House said those orders should go into effect in weeks. Biden, today, unphfazed about T Reaction from those governors. What is your message to republicans who are calling your Vaccine Requirements an overreach, who are threatening to challenge it in court . Have at it. And let me note up front, we invited 15 of those republican governors to come on the Show Tonight to explain their legal reasoning. I will save you the suspense. All said they could not or didnt respond. You get the drift. The ultimate reason is simple. This is not what they say it is. These governors who say Vaccine Requirements are awful. You know what they have . Vaccine requirements for schools for a range of diseases, diptheria, polio, measles, mumps, rubella. For some reason, this one mandate for covid will end capitalism, and resurrect lennon. We would also have to ask those governors about the latest evidence that says the vaccines dont just work, they work damn well. The Cdc Today reported on new studies that say those who were unvaccinated are about four and a half times more likely to get covid. They are more than ten times more likely to be hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die from disease and those are facts, born out seemingly every week by a new study that largely backs up the previous one. The key point of Bidens Sixpoint Plan is to require businesses with more than 100 workers to require vaccination, or and this is important or they can set up weekly testing, plus give workers paidtime off to get tested. So they actually have a choice. Something you didnt hear those republican governors mention when they were thundering away. Something we would have asked them about, if one of them just one would have found the time to come on the program. Now, reasonable minds could debate the legal framework behind the president s order or how something so vast will be implemented but lets not kid ourselves here. This is not what they say it is. If it were, texas governor, greg abbott, in his response would not have bemoaned the Attacks On Texans right to choose. You heard that right. The governor who signed into law this new antiabortion measure that bans a womans constitutional right after six weeks, he is suddenly for a right to choose . And remember, there is a testing out here. Why is Governor Abbott so desperate to maintain the right to choose to not get tested . Does he want to protect workerability to walk on the job with a serious case of covid . And then, there is what abbott called, quote, an assault on private businesses. Something floridas governor, Ron Desantis, picked Up On, too. Today, he said the president was having a, quote, Hissy Fit and that people might lose their jobs. Again, a bit hypocritical for both men. Theyre all huffy about President Biden telling businesses what they can and cant do on vaccines when they have literally told businesses what they can and cant do on vaccines. The Cruiseship Industry wanted to require vaccinations and Abbott And Desantis said no. Oh, and the order from desantis which was shut down by a judge last month would have included a fine just like bidens. Again, this is not what they say it is. At the time, desantis framed his order banning Vaccine Passports using similar language as abbott used yesterday. Desantis said he was protecting a personal choice. He also recently said this about the impact of that choice. The end of the day, though, it is what somebody its about your health and whether you want that protection or not. It really doesnt impact me or anyone else. It really doesnt impact me or anyone else. Again, he didnt say that months ago before it was a delta variant. That was last friday. This is what personal choice looks like right now in florida. Its the current sevenday Moving Average of deaths in florida from coronavirus. Its never been higher. But thankfully, cases are, finally, starting to drop there. As dr. Fauci told Cnn Tuesday Morning when responding to that comment by desantis, quote, when you have a virus thats circulating in the community and you are not vaccinated, you are part of the problem. And by the way, if republicans and conservatives on the far right were really so upset about businesses demanding employees vaccinate, youd think theyd have something to say about fox news. Its Parent Company has its own version of a Vaccine Passport where workers have to selfreport. Not a peep. Now, you may ask, why do they think mandates are basically all Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse . Well, because they have all seen what happens when you try to talk reasonably to people who just dont want to hear it. And you know what . I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You are going to do what you have to do. But i recommend, take the vaccines. I did it. Its good. Take the vaccines. But you got no, thats okay. Thats all right you got your freedoms. But i happened to take the vaccine. Thats why. Thats why they like mandates for socialmedia companies, but not for lifesaving vaccines. Because this is all political. Because the former president was jeered last month in alabama all because he said perhaps the most honest thing hes ever uttered, take the vaccines. I did it. Its good. Its a personal choice, all right. Tell people the Truth Or Risk not having them like you. Lets start, tonight, with cnns chief national affairs correspondent, jeff zeleny. Jeff, we heard the president tell republican governors to, quote, have at it. What else is the White House saying tonight about these likely legal challenges . Well, john, the White House does believe that theyre on solid legal footing and this is why. They they point to a 1970 act by congress. Very important here as its challenged in the courts. This is a congressional act. Its osha. It is the occupational Safety And Health act. It keeps all of our workplaces safe. If its from, you know, Fire Escapes to other matters. Anything that would keep from Grave Danger at your workplace. And the White House believes, after much research, that this is the way they think they can get more people vaccinated because they believe this is a Grave Danger in the workplace. So, this is the legal strategy, the legal framework they are going to go through here. And despite all the bluster from republican governors across the country, it will not be one of the republican governors filing suit. It will have to be a businessowner. And likely, there will be one. But the White House, the lawyers i talked to here today and really across washington and beyond, they believe it is because of this osha act, an act by congress, again, not just a legislative or not just an executive act. They believe they are acting under that framework of the Grave Danger in the workplace. So again, the president said have at it. And they seem to mean it, john. Is there a sense of how prepared the administration is to implement and enforce these either Vaccine Or Testing mandates . Well, look. That is the question here and the Labor Department is going to be writing this emergency rule. And all they would say today, its going to be Coming Up in the coming weeks. So dont look for this anytime soon. They are, frankly, giving businesses some time here. They want businesses to sort of act on their own. And, john, interestingly, the Chamber Of Commerce and the business roundtable. Two of the biggest Business Groups here in Washington Support this move. They believe that the government is giving businesses cover here to reach the ultimate End Goal of vaccinating workers. So its very interesting. We heard a lot of complaints from republican politicians but not as much from actual republican businessowners or at least these the heads of these groups here. So, the implementation will be Coming Up, in the coming days. And as for that federal worker mandate, thats 75 days away so there is some time here. But why didnt the president do it sooner . They said that he was waiting for the fda to formally authorize these drugs here. So, hes always been resistant resistant to mandates. He, suddenly, is supporting them and well see how this plays out. What about possible, additional steps, jeff . You know, people have asked about Vaccine Mandates for commercial air travel, for example. Well, that is something that the White House, interestingly, did not close the door to today. Jeff zients who leads the Covid Task Force here and white House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, both, intentionally left the Door Open. They said, look. Additional steps could be taken, including on airlines. As of now, that is not going to happen. The tsa thinks this would be essentially a nightmare. You know, going through passengers coming through, proving their vaccinations. But it is one of the things that they are leaving open. And a few months ago, the president was opposed to mandates of even federal workers. So, they are doing what they can to get people vaccinated. So they left the Door Open to vaccinating flyers. Well see if that happens. But, john, as the weekends here, this is a dramatic shift. The biggest steps this president has taken, so far, in this fight. Delta changes things. Jeff zeleny, thank you so much for that. Perspective on the actions and reaction from dr. Jerome adams who served as u. S. Surgeon general under the former President And Robert risha, the department that is drafting the rules for the mandate. He is also author of the book the system, who rigged it, how we fix it. Secretary, i want to start with you here. When it comes to these mandates for businesses with 100 employees and more for either vaccinate or do weekly testing, how big of a task will this be for the federal government to implement . John, it its not going to be a giant task because most big companies already are doing this or theyre on the way to doing this. In fact, this is a very conservative mandate. I mean, under osha which is 50 years old, that statute allows the federal government to set Workplace Conditions for companies that have as few as ten workers. So to go after companies that have 100 workers or more, you are really talking about companies that already have a fairly large public profile. And most of the time, try to do what is right for their workers. Most of the time. Now, they still are gonna have some monitoring. Theyre still going to have to do some regulating. Osha inspectors, themselves, are not nearly going to be enough to put this into effect. Well, what about that . I mean, how do you police this, secretary . Well, how do you how do you actually do it . I think that you have to do it by allowing both workers to express their own views at the workplace in terms of not getting what the federal government says that they should get, what osha says that they are allowed to get. Unions have to be very, very actively involved where there are unions at the workplace. And there, also, have got to be various privatesector groups and publicpolicy groups who are working and gathering the data on which companies are obeying this order. Dr. Adams, i want to ask you about some of the pushback that we heard from republican governors. Many of whom, run states i mean, all of whom run states that have Vaccine Mandates for kids who go to school one type or another. So its not like Vaccine Mandates are foreign to any of these governors but Governor Abbott, for instance, in texas, is threatening to deny Liquor Licenses to restaurants that require proof of vaccination. So how does that save lives . Well, it doesnt. We need to calm down on the political rhetoric and i want to be clear as a doctor. Vaccines work and as you say, they work damn well. They are our number one tool to get out of this pandemic and to stay open. And i want to applaud President Biden for trying to think outside the box as to how we increase vaccinations. I was impressed with a lot of the content in yesterdays speech. I did take issue with some of the delivery because i think it fed into the culture wars. I am part of the Covid Collaborative with mark mcclellan, with andy slavitt, with people from several administrations and we issued a letter on covidsafe zones and workplaces. And heres what we said. We ha we said that workplaces should establish screening protocols. Testing. Thats where the mandate should be and people can opt out of it if they get vaccinated. In essence, its the same thing that the biden administration said but but really, its focusing on making sure we are creating this Safe Workspace by ensuring No One is coming in there who is positive, and then letting people opt out. So i think the words do matter in terms of feeding into the culture war. B but, john, again, i want to be clear these vaccines work. The business roundtable, who i have worked with to try to increase vaccinations in the past recognized that this is about keeping america open. Its about our freedom. Mr. Secretary, um, what about the threats of legal action . Um, how solid do you think the legal ground is here for these new rules . Well, i dont think theres any legal ground at all, john. For 105 years, the Supreme Court has made it very, very clear that they endorse Vaccine Mandates with regard to Public Health. And particularly, critical Public Health issues. And 105 years ago, it was smallpox. And one State Government actually forced a Smallpox Vaccination on its population. There was an action, an appeal to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, look, public safety, Public Health, it warrants government action. That is really the essence of our society. If Government Cant take action on behalf of the people with regard to Public Health, then then what what good is a society . Massachusetts jacobson the Supreme Court case. Dr. Adams, you were part of the trump White House. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said today that this administration didnt anticipate so much hesitation and vehement opposition from within the republican party, given that it was a republican president who was in office last year when this vaccine was developed. President trump took the vaccine. Even though i know it wasnt on camera. I know you dont like To Wade into politics here but, you know, does this level of Vaccine Hesitancy from republicans surprise you . Well, we need to understand that we are already at Vaccination Rates for covid for adults that are higher than what we get for the flu in any given year. So we actually are doing relatively well. If youd asked a publichealth professional this time last year what you expected our Vaccination Rates to be for covid, i dont think youd find one whod think that theyd be much higher than what they are when you look at measles, when you look at what happens with flu every year. We need to just take the politics out of this and talk to the people directly. And i am talking to all the people who are listening to this Show Tonight. Please, talk to your health provider. Get the facts. And once you get the facts, then hopefully, you will come to get the vax without needing a mandate, without someone forcing you because the hospitals are full. I am in chicago right now. I was at northwestern today talking to icu docs who are dogged dogged tired. And they are taking care of people who are mostly unvaccinated. My kids are missing school because there are so many people who are getting covid within these schools, that we are going to quarantine or isolate people. We want to stay open. We want to keep you safe. And the best way to do that is to get more people vaccinated. Dr. Adams, i just want to follow Up On one point that you made. I do understand that the number of adults with one dose is over, what, 70 now with one dose. The number of adults. However, theres still 80 Million americans who are eligible who havent been vaccinated. That thats a huge number, given how dangerous this virus is, correct . It is a huge number. But we need to remember that most of these people are not what i call vaccine resistant. Some people say antivax. I find that term pejorative. Most of these people are in the moveable middle. Theyre vaccine hesitant. Theyre africanamericans who still remember the tuskegee lasted for 40 years, were not going to undo that in nine months. The women who were concerned about the misinformation they have been fed about fertility problems. These vaccines do not cause miscarriage of infertility. Three studies came out this week showing that. There are people who have legitimate questions and i found that when i talk to them with compassion and with empathy, i can convince a lot of them over time to get their vaccination. And that empathy, i think, was missing a little bit from the president s delivery Last Night even though, again, i liked the content about vaccinations, about testing, and about treatment. Well, dr. Jerome adams, robert rice, secretary, thank you both so much for trying to get people beyond their hesitancy. I think its important for all of us. Beyond the politics. We are going to continue our conversation about the fight against covid, next, with a disturbing look at covid patients struggling to breathe. Putting faces on an epidemic and underlining the need for as many people as possible to get vaccinated. And later, a federal investigation into Floridas Order banning school mandates, as governor desantis claims a legal victory in his fight against local School Districts. 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We warn you, this may be disturbing to some but its necessary to see, up close, just what this nation is fighting, patient by patient. Randi kaye has the story. Reporter you are watching the desperate attempt to save a covid patients life. This 75yearold woman is having serious trouble breathing, and is in desperate need of oxygen. So, this patient was being maintained on noninvasive ventilation and unfortunately failed. And so, we had to transition to mechanical ventilation which requires placement of an airway within the within the trachea, windpipe. Um, so the patient has to be sedated to allow us to access the airway. Reporter this doctor is a pulmonologist and the medical director of the icu at st. Anthonys hospital in st. Petersburg, florida. As the Patients Oxygen levels dropped, doctors quickly prepared to intubate her so they could get her on a ventilator to help her breathe. The process involves a slender surgical probe known as a stylet. And he uses a scope to lift the tongue out of the way and its actually a fiber optic visualization. So he can visualize the airway and guide the tube into place. Reporter it has to be precise. Yet, time is of the essence. Lives are on the line. For this patient, a second chance. Later, we learned she had received her first dose of the vaccine but got covid while waiting for her second shot. Still, most patients here are unvaccinated. Across the Bay Care Hospital system, which includes st. Anthonys, hospitalizations have increased tenfold since the beginning of july. And about 85 of the icu patients are unvaccinated. Do they express regret that theyre not vaccinated . We have had patients that come and request can i get a vaccine now . Um but they dont understand that, you know, its something thats meant to be preventative and once you have the disease, its not helpful. Reporter dr. Warren abel, a critical Care Physician in the icu, calls the pandemic, quote, our Waorld War ii. Unvaccinated patients as young as 20 years old dying before his eyes. Every person that that passes away that was unvaccinated, its um its a preventable death. Its very its its heartbreaking, actually. Reporter 27 of the 28 icu beds here are filled with covid patients. Good morning. Reporter and far too many are on ventilators like this woman. Can you nod your head for me . There ya are. All right. Good. Almost always, before they get intubated, they want to call their Loved Ones to tell them they love em and say goodbye. And unfortunately, oftentimes, thats the last time they speak to them. Reporter for people who say, you know, this is were past it in florida. Were good. What what do you say to that . I this is one of the worst waves that ive experienced. I mean, i think things are as bad with covid as they have ever been in florida. Now, come spend a day with me. You will see were not okay. I walk down the hall, and almost all of our patients are on their bellies to help them breathe. Randi kaye joins us now. Randi, given the surge in patients. Given that were not okay, as these healthcare workers are saying, does this hospital have what it needs . Does it have enough ventilators . Well, john, they have dipped into their Hurricane Supply of ventilators. Those are the ventilators that they would have put aside for a major storm. So, they are using those. They are also using these refrigeratedmobile units as morgues, so they need those as well. And Funeral Homes also, john, in this area are feeling the impact. We spoke to the Funeral Funeral Director at Wilson Funeral Home here in tampa and he told me that not only has he buried friends of his but he is also running out of caskets. Hes had to move the hearses out of the garage to make room for more caskets inside that funeral home. And he also told me he is having Trouble Scheduling Funerals because the cemeteries are so busy, he cant even get a funeral scheduled on the books. So i will just tell you that being in that icu for anyone who thinks that, you know, the we shouldnt be wearing masks or we might not need to get a vaccine, they should spend a day with those healthcare workers walking in that icu. Walking in their shoes. It could change a mind, john. Yeah, indeed. And a Bull Market for funerals. What a tragedy that is. Randi kaye, thank you so much. Up next, Breaking News on the battle over masks in florida schools. How governor Ron Desantis won one legal Battle Today but now the federal Department Of Education is stepping into the fray. We have the details, ahead. Arthritis Gel News so good for Arthritis Pain . Salonpas contains the most prescribed topical pain relief ingredient. Its clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. Salonpas. Its good medicine. 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The goal of the investigation is to determine whether the Florida Department of education may be preventing School Districts in the state from considering or meeting the needs of students with disabilities by not mandating masks. This is as an Appeals Court Today reinstated a stay on Mask Mandates in schools, meaning schools in the state cannot require masks, for now. Todays ruling is the latest in the showdown between governor Ron Desantis and some local School Districts that have insisted on requiring students to wear masks. One of those districts but was not part of this particular lawsuit. Its superintendent, carly simon, joins me now. Superintendent, thanks so much for being with us. First, i do want your reaction to the Breaking News about the Department Of Educations civil rights enforcement investigation. Its based on concern for students with disabilities. Is that one of the reasons why you wanted to require masks in your schools . Well, it certainly is. And this is a reason that weve actually shared with the commissioner of education and with the board of education that we have fragile students who need to have the additional layer of Support And Security that our Mask Mandate would have by making sure that we have as many people masked to reduce the transmission of the virus. Now, i know you say that your district is not part of a lawsuit that was ruled on today by the appeals court. But its an important ruling, nevertheless. What impact do you think it will have on students across the state . So as far as our district, its not going to have an impact. We are continuing to do what we have done since the School Year began. We are going to have the Mask Mandate to protect as many students as possible so we can provide facetoface instruction. We know that its impacting um our Quarantine Rates because we are now below 1,000 students which is the first time that we have had this since the School Year has begun. The fewer students we have quarantining, the more that we can have Instruction And Facetoface time with. Um, we do have our own case and not just do we have our own case but we have other School Districts that have cases as well as other family groups. And i think this is an interesting hill that the governor wants to have this battle on because its not just one case thats coming to him. He is going to have to defend this with multiple different avenues, multiple courts. And by multiple people who have the same types of concerns. It is not something that is um really appreciated in the community. We have more than 50 of floridas students who are under this Mask Mandate. I think thats telling, and i think it says that this is perhaps not the battle the governor should be taking on. What are you hearing from parents and students, for that matter . So, our students and our parents are, you know, enjoying the fact that they are having class. And theyre able to participate in the day to day. I get quite a bit of support from Community Members who are thankful that we are protecting as many people as possible cause its not just in our schools, its our entire community and they appreciate that. Our students are complying. I have my own children in schools, and theyre enjoying being with their friends and learning. This is what they want. Um, we do have other people who are upset. But its a small group of people. In his speech Last Night, President Biden laid out some additional steps to keep schools safe. One is to ask schools to test students and staff regularly. Do you have the resources to do that . And what do you think parents will say about having their children tested regularly . So we we are working on a Screening Program where we can have parents opt in to test. I think it would help us to just get a temperature and make sure that we understand how much covid we have in our schools. We do have esther funding, although we are asking the governor um next week where the the Esther 3 funding is because we have not had that released yet to us at our district to find out just to have the additional resources to fund all of this. We have rapid tests for covid that we currently are using for students who show symptoms, as well as for fiveday testing. But we are excited about the Screening Program to help us more understand the level of covid just by having random screens. Superintendent simon, thank you so much for being with us tonight. Stay safe. Thank you. Next, as California Governor Gavin newsom faces the Recall Election in four days, i am going to speak with a former governor who knows the politics of the state a good deal better than most, jerry brown. Thats Coming Up. [doorbell] [doorbell] [doorbell] theres my boy all the delivery. No delivery fees. Dashpass. Incomparable design makes it beautiful. State of the Art Technology makes it brilliant. The lexus nx. 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Four days and counting until the final votes cast in the california Recall Election. The latest figures show the democrats, so far, returned by far the largest number of ballots prior to next tuesdays deadline. To date, around 7. 3 million ballots have been returned. About 53 from registered democrats. 25 from registered republicans. Those figures from a group called political data incorporated, a firm that works with democrats and nonpartisan groups. I am joined tonight by a man who has had decades of experience in california politics. Formergovernor, jerry brown. Governor, thanks so much for being with us. What do you say to the rest of the Country Tonight who is watching this Recall Election wondering what on earth is going on here . What is this unusual System California has to recall governors . Is this a process that you support in principle . Well, yes. The recall the referendum. But recall is rarely used, except in the last decade or so. Big money has been able to put recalls successfully before the people. Now, this one is going to go down to defeat because for a very simple reason. It has no rationale. And the people willing to succeed Governor Newsom are ridiculous. I mean, their values, their proposals are so far from from california, they belong in a foreign country or something. So the recall, i think, it paradoxically is going to strengthen Governor Newsom and what he is trying to do. So, yeah, weve had this thing since johnson, a Governor Back in 1913 putting into effect to fight the southern the Southern Pacific Railroad that had stranglehold on government. So its a relic but its there. But you are going to see the result will be a resounding vote of confidence. You you you found something in california which predates your tenure there, governor brown. Not by much. Almost everything started my governorship and thats in 75. No, a lot of mischief actually. Do you think it was smart, wise strategy for Governor Newsom to to sort of nationalize this race and and tie republican Frontrunner Larry Elder to Donald Trump . It seems to be a warning basically saying that, like, be careful or california could end up looking like texas or florida. Well, i i think linking elder and the recall to trump helped get get the the opposition going. I think elder, on his own, demerits seeking the recall. So are the Others. 41 characters, most of them unknown, whos been really working hard for the last three years. So, look. This recall, the initiative. It its kind of a wild process. But to get rid of it would take a vote of the people, again, and i think it might be rather hard to get the people to give up the power because i think they like to hold the last card. So, look. I think it may be easy for some and it sounds like maybe you to write off Larry Elder at this point and say he can never win. But look. I mean, we had 2016. We saw Donald Trump win an election. Um so, what are your concerns there . Well, if you asked me a couple weeks ago, i mightve said well, this could be close. But it is turning, i think, on the behave philosophy of california. And that is heavily democratic. And the people who are are out of touch. They might not be out of touch with mississippi or maybe texas. But they are out of touch not with everybody in california but the vast majority. Id say, 55, 60 . So we are a divided country. Were also a divided state. But there is a strong majority that agree. Maybe not everything. But the vast majority of what gavin newsoms been doing. There is something, i think, important that people need to be aware of right now that Larry Elder is doing. He is trying to basically set the table for some sort of Voter Fraud here, again, with no evidence. No basis at all for this. He is saying, quote, i believe that there might very well be S Shenanigans as it were in the 2020 election. Donald trump said this week that the recall is probably rigged. Um, it go ahead i mean, is this just the new reality we have to deal with . That republicans will basically go out and say an election is rigged and crooked, before its even done . If this keeps going, democracy, itself, our whole Governing Process will will begin to lose its credibility. It already is. And so, its a very dangerous tactic, started by trump. And now, the little trumps are following. We have to have a system where the winners win, the win is accepted by the losers. I mean, everybody accepted the loss. Nixon accepted the loss. What whats going on here . I think its a very disquieting sign that comes from the intensity of belief. People are getting their political preferences, almost a religious conviction. And what doesnt turn out, they just make up states of affairs that dont comport with reality and its very threatening to our democratic system. Religious conviction. 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To me, thats the central lesson of September 11th is that at our most vulnerable, in the Push And Pull of all that makes us human, and the battle for the soul of america, unity is our greatest strength. The president will visit all three sites of the Attacks Tomorrow including Ground Zero where the Tribute And Light shines tonight to honor the victims. 360s Gary Tuchman spent September 11th, 2001 and many days and weeks after reporting from Ground Zero but one story he hasnt told until now, a story he hasnt told until now, a story that is very personal to him and his good friend. On the morning of September 11th, 2001, louis and diane were excitedly getting ready to move into a renovated house in westchester county, new york. Diane, who has been a friend of mine for more than 35 years, says her husband did not have to go to work that day but felt it was important to just go in briefly for a morning meeting. Do you remember anything about him going to work that morning . Yes, because we were so giggly and silly. Reporter louis was a senior Vice President of the fiduciary trust company. He worked on the 95th Floor of the South Tower of the world trade center. He called diane from the office that morning asking if the movers had arrived. And then he started to reflect a moment and he said oh, my gosh. I said, whats wrong . He said, oh, i think that plane i see a plane that is going to hit the north tower. I said, what . He said, im sorry i shouldnt have told you that because you have the movers. Just dont worry about it. Ill call you back. Reporter so he was afraid he was going to scare you. Yes. Reporter and he said he was going to call you back. And then he hung up. Then he hung up. Reporter minutes later, she saw the plane did indeed fly into the north tower. She was terrified but knew her husband was in the South Tower. 17 minutes later, though, the second Plane Hit. I froze. And then i kept saying, lewis knew, he saw the first plane, he must have gotten out. Reporter but he did not. 45yearold louis was killed. He left behind diane and their 2yearold son. A son who shares his fathers first name, louis sam, who is today a 22yearold College Student at Colorado State University majoring in Interior Architecture and design. Do you have any memory of your father at all . No. I dont. Reporter do you feel you were cheated that you have no memory of him . Yes, A Hundred percent. Reporter Diane Remembers Waiting Until Louis was about 4 to try to explain what happened to his father. I said, daddy went to work and a Plane Hit his building, and daddy died very quickly. And so that became how he understood how his dad died. Reporter when louis was in first grade, he wrote this in class. My dad died. He was in a building. And a plane crashed into the building. And he couldnt get out. He is an angel now. But he is in my heart now. But i love him. Reporter diane says her little sons words and actions back then helped sustain here. I was in the kitchen. I remember so many times, just like, mommy . Im like, yes . You need a hug. Reporter this Week Diane is visiting her son at college and she and louis invited me to watch Home Videos of Father And Son taken just a few months before 9 11. Mommy. Mommy. Thats right. What is this one . Reporter your mom was telling us that there are a lot of things you do, the way you look, that remind her of your father. How does that make you feel . It makes me feel great. Makes me feel connected to someone that i basically never knew. But its really heartwarming for me. Reporter diane has never remarried. She still wears her engagement ring. Are you happy today . I am. I think despite the horrible tragedy that happened to me and to my mother, i think ive overcome and persevered and am a really happy person today. Reporter are you, diane . I am happy. Reporter you know what . My guess is your husband and your father would be happy that youre happy. Yes. Yes, i think so. Im sure he would be happy. Gary joins us now. Gary, what a story. Did diane and louis have any specific plans for the 20th Anniversary Tomorrow . Diane and louis are very private people. Theyve only attended one commemoration in new York City all these years. They like to do things quietly. Theyre telling me what theyre doing tomorrow, theyre going to a remote part of colorado and theyre going on a long hike together, just mother and son. Wonderful that they have each other. Gary, send them our love. That was a really lovely story. Reporter thank you. You can join jake tapper, wolf blitzer, and Paula Reed as we remember September 11th. Live coverage begins Tomorrow Morning at 8 00 a. M. Eastern. Coming up, a very fond farewell to a Friend And Legend in our business who has about six minutes to go before he officially retires. Discover card i just got my Cashback Match is this for real . 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Tonight we end our broadcast with a special thank you and goodbye to our Friend And Colleague dave fitzpatrick. We call him fitz. Fitz is retiring after more than 45 years in this business. 45 years. He was at Cbs News for 25 years where he traveled all over the world with Dan Rather and Others and then joined us at cnn shortly after the September 11th attacks in 2001. For years, he produced some of the best investigative stories for this network and eventually came to work fulltime for this show as one of the staff writers. Fitz always has a story to tell. It is not unusual to hear him start off with something like, when i was covering the iran hostage crisis, or, that time i was in pyongyang. One of our favorite stories about fitz is when he was still in High School he drove with some friends from New Hampshire to washington, d. C. And talked his way into attending the president ial funeral for john f. Kennedy. Even at that young age he was eager to witness History And Report on it, which he did for the New Hampshire sunday news. At this times and his Wife Adrienne are now ready for their next adventure. They have two Baby Grandchildren who they hope to spend more time with and hell also have more time to obsess over his beloved patriots and Red Sox which are wicked awesome obsessions. This is his last show and after 45 years in the news business, fitz can finally turn off his