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Is down by 26 from a month ago. We should caution, these Vaccination Numbers come after a holiday weekend. Officials tell cnn the president s Gonna Lay out a Sixpoint Plan with obvious political, economic, and Public Health repercussions and we will talk about that more tonight. But right now, we want to focus on what officials say will be one element of that plan, which is safeguarding kids in schools. The spike in cases comes not only as americas schools reopen but as new data from the american academy of pediatric says one in four of these new cases is in a child. Not only that, the organization says theres been a 250 increase in infections of children from five weeks ago. Vaccines are, as you know, unavailable for those under 12. But one thing that appears to unite a large swath of democrats, republicans, and parents at this moment is that kids should be in school. Which leaves masks as one of the next best lines of protection. But as we have seen most notably in florida, Mask Mandates have become deeply polarizing. Most notably, governor Ron Desantis of florida banned Mask Mandates that didnt allow for a parental optout. He lost a battle to keep that order in place, and we will have more on that as well. But we want to remind you of the kind of vitriol these fights inspired in florida. These doctors that sit up here and were sneering at us and looking at us like we are scumbags. They need to go back to [ bleep ] medical school. Right here. So as you can see, fists are now flying. Are you going to bully him into wearing your mask . We do. I dont believe that. Yeah, right. I dont believe that. I i want my child to go to school free and unmasked. Sit there civilly and behave yourselves or i will have you removed. I suggest those of you that have your mask under your noses, put them back where they belong or i will have School Police remove you. This board is only focused on forced Mask Mandates, raising our taxes, and making our kids believe they can change their gender. Were the bad guys because we are standing up for our children like mine who is at home right now saying i dont want to wear a mask. I got an official. Thats right. Again, Florida Flash Point at what is a national battle. Today, 13 local School Districts in the state won a battle against governor Ron Desantis and his order of banning Mask Mandates. Now, prior to the decision this morning, Governor Desantis offered this prediction. But what we found is, you know, in the Trial Courts In Tallahassee State and federal, we typically lose if there is a political component to it. But then, in the appeals court, we we almost always win. One of the School Superintendents front and center in this legal fight joins me now. Carly simon. Superintendent simon, appreciate you joining us. So, how Big A deal is this ruling in your view . And do you expect the governor and his allies to to escalate the legal battle . Well, i certainly expect the governor to escalate the legal ordeal. Um, it is still, though, a a good point, a positive moment for us. And we are were pleased by the decision. Were pleased by many of the points that judge cooper presented because they align with many of our concerns. And um and i think that this is, you know, a step in the right direction but were managing our expectations and we know we have a long process, a long legal battle. But were ready and were up for the challenge. You know, the governor was standing behind a podium that read early treatment saves lives. I dont know if the irony is lost in him. He is trying to make it more difficult for schools to prevent covid cases, in the first place. Well, i think theres many ironic moments that have been occurring this entire time. Um, we are focusing very much on having facetoface classes, and making sure that our students are receiving direct instruction. And just the concept of increasing transmission by not having masking is counterintuitive and it works against our efforts. Every One Of Us who runs School Districts want to have school for our students. And we know that we need to have the masking. And so, its disappointing when we arent getting that level of support. And we have some um some iron ironic times that occur and statements that just dont quite jive with the realities that we are trying to navigate. You know, you and i have spoken before. And tonight, there is the American Academy Of Pediatrics is saying that children account for more than one in four covid cases now. Can you just explain what happens when a child tests positive in a classroom . The ripple effects of that . Um, or a teacher. You know, tests positive. How that essentially kind of breaks down the the entire system . So, ill speak on this on two levels. So when a child is exposed and they test positive, then all of our staff have to Contact Trace and make sure that we take all students who have been exposed and have them quarantined. Um, this takes considerable amount of time and logistics and organization. And then, those students need to go home and they are going to be quarantined and trying to get instruction in a distanced method. We do have a digital platform with canvas that we are trying to provide this instruction. But it still is its very different than a facetoface classroom. And so, then we would have them come back and do Fiveday Testing to see if we can shorten the quarantine period. And thats, of course, if they dont have symptoms. When we have a Staff Member and many times, i want to respect the fact that our Staff Members, you know, my body, my choice but many of our Staff Members, when they test positive, it impacts a lot of other Staff Members because that work still needs to be done. We are an education system. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a lot of work that needs to be um acted out in order to have a school day. And so, when that person is not in, many other colleagues are having to pick up that load. And it really just it puts it puts a burden on the district. And when we have so many people who have to have these types of quarantines, it really impacts how we function on the day to day. Yeah. I mean, you must be spending a lot of your time or or schools must be spending a lot of their time just trying to do Contact Tracing and figure out, okay, well now, this student is you know, has tested positive. So this means x, y, And Z has to move around. Yes. I um i would say, if you asked any principal in any school that they would say now a fulltime job is managing covid. And then, theres the job of an education leader. So, most of our principals are doing two jobs, at the same time. Our School Nurses are in very similar situations where theyre having to test, Contact Trace. And there is a job of being a School Nurse that occurred many years prior to covid ever even existing where you had to help with students who had normal fevers or Diabetes Or Anything like that. And so, many of us are having to take on new responsibilities that never existed prior to covid. It its one thing i mean, thats what i dont understand about the parents who are screaming at teachers and others about, you know, their Child Shouldnt wear a mask. I understand the whole personal freedom thing. I understand, you know, no one wants to wear a mask. All of that. But just on a logistics basis, if you want your child to stay in school in a classroom, it seems like masks just are the most obvious way to it just it just it doesnt hurt it doesnt hurt i mean, it doesnt give kids covid. It it is one thing that can prevent kids and prevent the logistical nightmare of having things shut down. Well, so i would certainly agree with you with that. We also have the additional layer of, you know, we just had a Phone Call Today with a parent who has a child who is old enough to be vaccinated. And the parent is very upset that their child is going to have to quarantine. The solution for their child to not have to quarantine is to be vaccinated. And then, if the child has no symptoms, their day continues on. My son was exposed last week. Hes vaccinated. He hasnt shown any symptoms, so we have not had to adjust our lives around this. We have been able to just go on through, and he is enjoying his classes. So thats the issue is that there are very small things to do that would help us to be able to continue to have school. And not have your lives interrupted. And when you have young children and you need to arrange childcare, that really puts a damper on how you can function. Carly simon, i appreciate what your work and i appreciate you talking to us. Thank you. Thank you. I believe i made a mistake in the intro, i said 75 of adults were vaccinated. Thats not correct. 75 of eligible adults have received at least one shot. Get perspective now from our chief medical correspondent, dr. Sanjay gupta. Author of the forthcoming Book World War c, lessons from the Covid19 Pandemic and how to prepare for the next one. So, sanjay, as more students across the country go back to school, i mean, are you concerned the Infection Rates now can among kids are just gonna go up . I i think the absolute numbers are are going to go up. I mean, this is just a a a sort of a math issue, at this point. Because as youre increasing the number of of children who are infected, even if the ratio stays the same, the absolute number will go up. Right now, about 100,000 people in the hospital. About 2 of them are children. But as more and more are infected, even though even if the likelihood of your child getting sick, severely ill enough to go to the hospital, is low, the the statistics start to catch up with people. Let me show you a graphic that sort of came out of this f free print from North Carolina State university. What do the next three months look like . What they say is in schools, if there is really none of these mitigation measures you were just talking to ms. Simon about. No masking, no testing. You are going to have about 75 , within the next three months, 75 of kthrough12 students become infected. Keep in mind, there is close to 50 Million students like that. Add on masking, can go as low as 24 . Masking and regular testing, as low as 13 . Its not perfect, anderson. This is still a very contagious virus but you get the idea of of just what can be done even short of a vaccine to sort of really bring down those numbers. Thats incredible. I mean, that 75 will become infected but with masks, it can go down to as low as 25 . Right. I mean, you know, so far in this country, five 5 million, you know, children roughly have been infected. Again, you know, if you look at the hospitalization rate, about 2 . Maybe, less than 2 even of all those in the hospital are children. But if these numbers continue to go up, and i hope they dont, but if they continue to go up, obviously, it affects all the numbers. You know, just in terms of the absolute values. But what about i mean, last year when school started, there was a lot of concern about safety in schools. And then, it seemed like it turned out that there wasnt a lot of transmission in schools. Was there . Or was it just because the Delta Variant is it all the Delta Variant . Is that the difference . I i think that thats a big part of it but i will tell you what is interesting, anderson. Right now, you know, this Labor Day Weekend compared to a year ago, we have three and a halftimes more viral spread. Three and a halftimes more cases this year, versus last year. We have a thats crazy. Vaccine. Its crazy. Its almost if if you were to ask me last year and say, hey, this time next year, we are going to have three and a half halftimes more cases at this point next year, i would have thought to myself, oh, i guess we never got an authorized vaccine. Truth is we have an authorized vaccine, several of them. And still, despite that, three and a halftimes the cases. Two and a half times the hospitalizations compared to this point last year and nearly twotimes the percentage of death, two times the number of deaths at this time last year despite the vaccine. So you have viral showers that are going on. We are being bathed in virus in so many places across the country. High transmission. And thats whats going on. So so, you add into that that the Delta Variant is very contagious, less forgiving. And all the sudden, you are in a situation where people are going to become infected, unless they take some protective measures. So, are are i assume, are fewer does that also mean that just way fewer people are wearing masks now than were wearing them a year ago this time . That that thats a thats a good question. I mean, you know, i i dont know what the mask wearing is like here. Its clearly, you know, different in different parts of the country. Um, i think what happened. There is a lot of folks for a period of time because of the vaccines rolling out were also not wearing masks even though there was significant viral spread. People who were not vaccinated took that as permission to stop wearing masks, as well. So, i dont know the absolute numbers of people who are wearing masks now, compared to before. But the numbers of hospitalizations, in particular, is what i pay closest attention to because cases are hard to track because were still not doing adequate testing in this country which is really frustrating. That people cannot wake up every morning, and simply know are they contagious or not . We the technology exists to do that but were not doing it. But what we do know as you have been reporting on, anderson, is hospitals are becoming overwhelmed with patients in some parts of the country. Regularelective cases are getting cancelled. Other noncovidrelated diseases are getting substandard care, as a result of that. So, masks we know make a huge difference, for sure. Um, the numbers sort of tell the story. What you are looking at on the screen there, anderson, regarding the vaccinations. I mean, just think about that. Unvaccinated people, 17times more likely to be hospitalized. Do you see the line for vaccinated people in the hospital . Yeah. Thats that Flat Line at the bottom. You can barely see it. I mean, its really can barely see it its really an incredible story here of whats going on. And and i think, frankly, more proof of just how well the vaccines work. Yeah. Sanjay, appreciate it. Still to come. Breaking news about fears of another possible threat to the capitol. This time, at our rightwing rally planned there in the coming days. We will have details on the concerns about the threats, as well as new video of a suspect from the Capitol Riot in january. The person who was planting Pipe Bombs. There is some new Video Sthaurt authorities want you to see. Later, the former president who encouraged rallygoers to go to the capitol that day. His niece join us us to talk about what his recent endorsements say about his own political future. Liberty mutual Customizes Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. How much money can liberty mutual save you . One two three four five 72,807 72,808. Dollars. Yep. Everything hurts. Only pay for what you need. 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And sources are telling cnn there is a new Recommendation Tonight about fencing around the capitol. Cnns Jessica Schneider has details now. So, what are we learning . Yeah, anderson, we just learned that temporary fencing that actually surrounded the capitol people will remember for months after January 6th. Well, it might go back up. A source is telling our Ryan Nobles that Capitol Police have, in fact, formally requested to the Capitol Police Board that the fence be temporarily put in place ahead of September 18th. Sources are telling our team that it is likely tell they will approve that request for the fencing. We are told, though, it would be a smaller fence. It would likely only be up for about 48 to 72 hours surrounding the rally. And but this latest development, it comes as the Police Departments around d. C. They are Amping Up Security Preps in advance of this socalled justice for January 6th rally happening next saturday, September 18th. Capitol police are warning about the potential for violent clashes and unrest at an upcoming rally in support of those charged in the u. S. Capitol insurrection. Thats according to an internal memo reviewed by cnn. This latest rally is planned at the capitol, September 18th. The Intelligence Report references amped up online chatter after the officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt on January 6th went public. Defending his actions after the Justice Department and the Capitol Police cleared him of any wrongdoing. I know that day, i saved countless lives. I did my job. And there was eminent threats and danger to the members of congress. Reporter the Capitol Police memo notes a recent uptick in violent rhetoric and heated discussions on Social Media and Discussion Boards centered on babbitts shooting. And the document warns many might view September 18th as a justice for Ashli Babbitt rally. The event organizer, formertrump campaign staffer, matt brainerd, acknowledges the rally will address Babbitts Death but says it is primarily focused on the hundreds involved in the violent Attack And Capitol breach who are now facing federal charges. We are calling for charges to be dropped against all nonviolent offenders who in many cases were walking through Capitol Doors into a public building held open by Capitol Police officers. This is a peaceful protest for peoples civil rights that have been denied. Reporter the internal memo says 500 people plan to attend, and counterprotests are also expected. But the memo notes the prior events planned by Brainerds Group in washington have attracted far less and there hasnt been a noticeable increase in hotel reservations in the area that weekend. Plus, unlike January 6th, the danger is diminished since congress is on recess. The memo also warned that at least one proud Boy Leader has encouraged followers to show up, while others from the Farright Group are discouraging attendance online. Capitol police note nine republican members of congress have been invited. And all but three have declined the invitation. Marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, and madison cawthorn. Formerfbi deputy director, andrew mccabe, says all of the online chatter about September 18th should be taken seriously. If they are seeing and hearing the same sorts of things that they heard before January 6th, they should be taking better preparations and taking those that those conversations more seriously. So, jessica, i understand congressional leaders are expected to get Security Briefings in the coming days about it. Yeah, we actually learned, anderson, there was one today. There was a briefing by attended by at least one member of the january6th select committee. Congresswoman zoe lofgren. We understand it was about an hour. They got a briefing about those security plans, as well as the possible fencing. That was a briefing from Capitol Police, as well as the architect of the capitol. The House Sergeant at arms. And also, the house speaker, nancy pelosi, our team has learned, has invited Chuck Schumer and the top republicans, Kevin Mccarthy and mitch mcconnell, to her office on monday morning. Thats when were hearing there will be a briefing from the Capitol Police chief, tom manger, about all the security preps for this upcoming rally. So they are really taking this very seriously, anderson. Jessica, stay with us. I want to bring in cnn security correspondent, josh campbell. Formerfbi special agent. So, josh, what does it tell you the Capitol Police has formally requested the fence be or a smaller fence be put up back around the capitol ahead of this rally . Are they just being i mean, is that an abundance of caution that no one wants to be the person who said, oh, no, you dont need the fence . Anderson, i interviewed tom manger, the new Capitol Police chief after he took the job and he wasnt there on the day of the january6th attack. But one thing he told me is he is going to learn lessons from that event and he is going to run this agency as a threatbased agency that relies heavily on intelligence. And so, with this new reporting from our colleagues on Capitol Hill that they are going to reerect this fencing, that tells us that they are concerned enough about some of this online chatter that they are seeing, that they want to provide some kind of separation as these demonstrators show up on September 18th. Now, will it be overkill . Maybe, but as you mention, you have to put yourself in the shoes of these officers. They simply cannot abide a repeat of January 6th. They want to not necessarily provide a fortress like we saw after that incident. But we are going to see some kind of standoff that puts these demonstrators away from the building that these officers are sworn to protect. I mean, jessica, the idea that people who attacked the cap to are being now portrayed by this group and others as, you know, political prisoners. Or, you know, victims in some way is insane. Well, i actually talked with the organizer of this rally, matt brainerd, today. We had probably a 15minute discussion, and he insists that these are, in fact, political prisoners. Despite the fact that most of the people actually being held in the jails right now are accused of violent offenses. A lot of the people have taken Plea Deals who were nonviolent, who were just charged with trespassing. So, the premise a little bit of this rally is off base. But yeah, they are taking a lot of their Talking Points from the former president , and parroting what Donald Trump has said and still is saying. Its interesting, though, because, you know, when the former president , finally, did make, you know, a video. There was he or actually, it was after he made the video. You know, they were trying to distance themselves. There were an awful lot of republicans, initially, trying to distance themselves from the attackers. Saying, look, im not even sure those were probably antifa people in costumes. Im not even sure they were really trump people. I have heard from a lot of Trump Supporters, you know, it was a falseflag operation. I guess, they have abandoned that line of argument. And now, theyre fully embracing them as Trump Supporters who somehow are being persecuted. And you know what, anderson, they are realready getting read to bring out those lines again. When i talked to matt brainerd, he said, hey, if there is any trouble on September 18th, its because of the leftists who are infiltrating our group. So they are already preparing those Talking Points, again. False potentially Talking Points they already floated after January 6th. All right. Jessica schneider, josh campbell, appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, new Reporting Tonight from the White House about President Biden and his administration messaging to democrats about another pivotal moment for his presidency. Cash back new Card Members earn at the end of their first year automatically woo i got my money its hard to contain yourself isnt it . Uh huh well let it go woooo get a dollar for Dollar Match at the end of your first year. Only from discover. Ready to turn your dreams into plans and your actions into achievements . Explore over 75 programs and fourweek classes at national university. Your future starts today at nu. Edu. Psst psst allergies dont have to be scary. Spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. Psst psst flonase all good. As your business changes, the United States Postal Service is changing with it. 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What could be a critical moment for President Bidens presidency. Cnn White House correspondent, phil mattingly, joins us now with more. So, what are you learning about the new Messaging Push inside the White House . When you talk to White House officials, they make clear this is the critical moment for the legislative agenda and they want to sharpen their message. They want to move it toward a more populous direction but more than anything else, anderson, they want to simplify it. You have seen it a little over the past couple days but we have also obtained a series of messaging memos that are being sent to democrats on Capitol Hill. Implici implicit in those memos . On the various components of this sweeping 3. 5 trillion proposal and that has caused poe ten shl problems particularly with moderates but also frontline democrats in the house have become skittish about the size, scale, and some of the financing components of that package. White house officials are now deliberately trying to kind of Walk People back. Stay focused on the things that matter most. The kind of binary choice between whether you are with President Biden, his agenda, or you are against it. As one of President Bidens top advisers sent in a memo to her democratic counterparts on Capitol Hill, President Biden believes this comes down to a simple proposition, Scranton Pa versus park avenue. Which is a theme he hit on during the campaign. Yeah. No question. They think that is where President Bidens at his strongest. And thats the message they believe democrats need to convey twh comes to this package. Yes, the components of it or the types of policies the democrats have dreamed about for years. Now, it is the real opportunity to do something about them. When you talk to frontline democrats, particularly in the house, who are weary of the Size And Scale of this proposal, they need reassurance and i think thats what you are getting from the White House now. This is a tax cut. This will drop prices. That the wealthy will pay more to finance it. Its simple. Dont get caught up in the complex details here. One thing to keep in mind, aro anderson, the president s polls have been sliding. Making clear the elements of this proposal are both popular and they play well even in those swing constricts. That, more than anything else, is a message White House officials want to get across behind the scenes as we enter this critical stage of the president s ajgenda. Want to get perspective from evan osnos. And cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger. So, President Biden ran on the promise he would end the pandemic. Clearly, hasnt happened. Obviously, afghanistan did not go the way he wanted or anticipated perhaps. How critical a moment is this for him . This is the essential moment. This is sort of the point at which its the proving ground. All the things thats been talking about as a candidate and now in the early months of his of his presidency are really coming to a head. And, you know, they are working, after all, on this speech that he is going to give tomorrow about covid. You know, they are working on this even late tonight because the details matter. And the Subtleties Matter and somebody who is familiar with the speech was saying to me, you are likely to hear him express a kind of Wartime Spirit which is an interesting phrase. Its trying to sort of regain the urgency that he had six months ago, at the beginning of this. When he put the country on what he called a wartime footing. And he is trying to remind people, you know, this is this is not done, obviously. The numbers are difficult. And what they want to show people is that some of the things that they have done have actually born fruit. To give you one example, in july, they got about 10 Million people vaccinated. But once there was more concern about delta, once they sort of ratcheted up, shall we say, the awareness if not the fear of delta. Making people really aware of the risks. They got 14 Million people vaccinated in august. So they are trying to say, look, this is about hitting a right balance where you get people alert to the idea that there is, in fact, a way to solve this problem. But its not going to be done by being flatfooted. Gloria, what do you expect to hear . Well, i i think this we need to hear some clarity here. And just as phil was talking about with the economic plan and convincing democrats to go along, the american public needs to hear a clear message from the president on what he intends to do. And what he can do about the Delta Variant. Obviously, hes going to urge vaccinations. Hes going to tell you how hes gonna keep kids safe in school. How there needs to be more testing in the country and on and on. But there has been a lot of disagreement between the cdc, the centers for disease control, and folks who work around the president about, for example, when you should get a booster shot. Or when you can get a booster shot. And this is a president who in july, on july 4th, said weve gained the upper hand against this virus. We now know that the virus mutated. And that the Delta Variant is something we all talk about. We didnt talk about it back then. So, the president has to be clear about next steps. And he has to tell the american public what happened and how the public needs to get vaccinated in the future if you are going to kind of save the country. He is going to say business, youve been good. You need to be better. There are limits on what i can do, as president. Hes going to talk about mandates, for example. So, i think, he needs to tell the public clearly heres the way forward and out of this because the public is sick and tired. Evan, there theres not much new he can say about covid. I mean, its you know, yes, people know you should be vaccinated. Those who arent vaccinated disagree with that. Or dont care about it. Or just dont buy what he is saying. I im not sure, you know, yelling more about it or phrasing it in a different way is going to do anything, is it . Exactly as gloria mentioned. This idea of appealing to the private sector is part of this to say, look, there are states in the country right now, governors who are not participating, not cooperating in the idea of advocating for vaccines and masks. In many cases, standing in the way of it. But private businesses who want to see this economy get back into good shape, they are in the position to start mandating to their employees. Start giving it a pretty clear indication that if you want to get people back out of their houses again, give people some confidence to get back you know, there was that glimmer. This moment in the summer, anderson, as we all remember when people sort of began to feel as if things were getting back to normal and theres been backsliding. And this is about giving people a sense that you can get back to that. But it cant be done purely from the top. Its gonna take work by businesses and everybody else. You know, gloria, to the point you just made. New Gallup Polling found only 40 of americans think President Biden has actually communicated a clear plan of action when it comes to covid. There was an abc News Washington Post poll that found overall since the pandemic has slipped ten points since june. For democrats, thats just if if you are looking at this just from a political lens, that is clearly an issue. Right. Look. This was his Calling Card. He said we have got this under control. It was his Calling Card to being a strong leader. It was his Calling Card to being a competent president. And now, you see the Numbers Drop because people who were vaccinated who were told, okay, you dont have to wear your mask anymore. Now, you have to wear your mask, again. So, the public is confused. By whats going on with the virus and he really needs to explain that. I mean, president s need to explain things to the american public. In this case, were not scientists. And i do believe that what he needs to do is say to the public, i have been competent. Because once you start losing fights, then the public believes youre not a success. And hes got big fights ahead of him in the congress, and hes got to deal with this right away. Gloria borger, evan osnos, thanks very. Coming up next, it is the former president making all the moves to enter the republican race for president in 2024. I will talk to his niece, mary trump, when we continue. 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Top Adviser Jason Miller says the chances of him actually entering the race, and i am quoting here, are between 99 and 100 . And the expresident is lining up rallies in what would be key states in another White House run, scheduling one in georgia later this month. And in iowa at the beginning of october. One person who knows him quite well is his niece, mary trump, author of the new book the reckoning our Nations Trauma and finding a way to heal. And she joins me now. So, mary, good to have you on. You see these moves by your uncle. You hear what his allies are saying. Do you believe hes actually going to try for another bid at the White House . I think the chances are a lot better now than they were immediately after the election because he got so humiliated. I did not think he would put himself in a position to lose again. But um the machinations of the republican party in terms of increasing amounts of Voter Suppression bills that theyre trying to pass in every state. Plus, the their willingness to push donalds second Big Lie that the January6th Insurrection didnt happen or wasnt a big deal. Or the insurrectionists were actually great patriots. Um, leads me to believe that he may decide that if he runs, he wont lose. He also has a lot of incentive to get back into the Oval Office because it would protect him from the criminal charges and the civil charges being levied against him. Hes also raised, you know, based on the election lie, he you know, put out all these feelers for money from people and a lot of people sent in a lot of money to him that he can use as he wants to as he sees fit. Yeah. Listen, anderson, i think the the question, will he run, is is unfortunately a relevant one and its one we need to grapple with. But what is an even more important question is why is he being allowed to make that choice . This is somebody who incited an insurrection against our country. And i understand. I understand that President Biden is responsible for the current response to covid. But we need to be really clear that the reason were in this position right now is because governors, like desantis and abbott who seem to have absolutely no concern about their constituents. Why is he even being allowed to run if, indeed, he does . Based on your knowledge of him and and your youre a trained psychologist. Im wondering what you make just of the hold that he continues to have over the vast majority of republicans in this country . And how much of that relates yeah i mean, what does it Surprise You, the hold that has remained . Even though hes been you know, not really in The Public Eye . I mean, yes, hes i mean, obviously, he shows up on fox and and hes started doing rallies. Um, but i mean, hes been relatively silent. Yeah. It doesnt surprise me because the reason hes continuing to be relevant is because elected republicans continue to allow him to be relevant. If, on november 7th, they had ignored him and conceded that President Biden won the election, we wouldnt be having this conversation. Because he, like every other oneterm president , would have faded into the background. But they are keeping him relevant. Theyre continuing to empower him. And theyre continuing to ask for his endorsements, et cetera, et cetera. So it doesnt surprise me when you, again, you see republican governors following donalds playbook. And, you know, asking for his permission and conceding everything to him. Why why shouldnt millions of republicans who followed him this far continue to put stock in him . According to espn, the former president has announced that he and donnie, jr. , are going to be providing commentary for a Boxing Match at a Florida Casino this saturday which, of course, is the 20th anniversary of 9 11. Viewers will have to pay 49. 99 if they want to hear him and his son call this match. I dont know what experience they actually have. I dont think they have ever actually been in a fight. But um does it Surprise You even by his low standards . I mean, if another former president decided to spend 9 11, you know, commenting on a Boxing Match on pay per view, people would heads the heads would explode. Well, that is, indeed, the problem. Thats been the problem all along for reasons that are very difficult to understand. There is a completely different standard that donalds held to. In fact, hes held to no standard. Um, its disgraceful. And if there is if there is no blowback on the right for for this disgraceful isnt a strong enough word to describe what you just mentioned. Then, that tells us everything we need to know about the current state of the republican party. And it tells us that the democrats start really need to start wrapping their heads around the fact that this is not a party that can be worked with. This is not a party that should be conceded to. In your new book, you talk a lot about trauma. And i im you have the the name is in the title of the book. Thats how important it is. Do you think that thats a word that describes um it its an important word do you think in describing american history and more important your uncles rise in 2016 . Yeah. I mean, as i say, this country was born in trauma. We in the genocide by white settlers of the native american population. And the Genocide And Enslavement of the african population. And weve never dealt with that trauma. So its been passed down from generation to generation. And then, in the last four years, we have dealt with an onslaught of attacks against immigrants, against people of color, against women, against american democracy. So, here we are. And honestly, one of the most diabolical things donald did in the last four years was divide this country at a time when we most needed to be united. And thats when covid started. And its going to take a very, very long time to recover from that as we see because people who follow him are making it almost impossible for us to get ahold of covid, to get a handle on it. To overcome it. And the violence and the rhetoric, Visavis Mask mandates and vaccination, is getting so out of control its dividing us even further. Mary trump, i appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Coming up next. An upclose look at the Covid Surge in kentucky. We will take you inside a hospital at 130 above capacity. Thats the National Guard now to help. Psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen, painful. Tremfya® is approved to help reduce joint symptoms in adults with active psoriatic arthritis. Some patients even felt less fatigued. Serious allergic reactions may occur. Tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a Vaccine Or Plan to. Tremfya®. Emerge tremfyant™. 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The deep red and dark oranges on this map Show You Counties with high numbers of covid cases in the state. The reason less than half of Kentuckys Population is fully vaccinated according to the cdc, and many counties you see the Light Shade of teal only 30 to 38 of population partially vaccinated. Cnns Miguel Marquez takes us to one hospital in the state where the National Guard is helping out as more and more Covid Patients seek help. Reporter Vera Middleton was so sick doctors considered putting her on a ventilator. She refused opting instead to pray. I praise him from now. Reporter she is getting everything but the ventilator and improving. The 66yearold great grandmother from a small town, she says she and her husband talked about getting vaccinated but decided against it. Do you have any idea where you got covid . Yes. My granddaughter had gotten sick and just went through everybody. Reporter kentucky seeing its biggest Covid19 Surge yet. Cases and hospitalizations spiking sharply to levels never seen before. Deaths, too, on the rise. Hospitals everywhere just trying to keep up. Its defeating to put another person on the ventilator. Its defeating to watch a Health Care Provider that i care about or myself stand at the bedside when someone dies alone. Its also defeating to watch someone else get put in a body bag. Reporter the biggest facility providing Health Care to 11 counties in rural north eastern kentucky. It cant expand capacity fast enough. Its like were at a war with this virus. And i think what we have to understand is were not at a war with each other. Whether your beliefs and those things, its truly a war with this virus. Reporter the National Guard is helping here. A federal disaster medical Assistance Team is also on hand, and still they need more. We right now based upon our number of staff beds were running about 130 above capacity. 130 above capacity. And Thats Icu beds, regular covid units, regular patients, emergency department, everything across the board . Thats correct. Reporter the hospital has created yet another Covid Icu but doesnt have the staff to open it. So if this opened today how quickly would these beds be filled . Within the hour. We could fill it within the hour. Reporter st. Clair is trying to keep those with covid out of the hospital by providing Monoclonal Antibody Treatments at home. Madison owens was fully vaccinated and still picked up the virus. It spreads like wildfire pretty its easy to get, and it doesnt matter whos vaccinated or not. Everybodys getting it. Reporter a nursing student, a 21yearold believes she picked it up at a funeral. My great grandmother passed away and we all went to the funeral and one by one we all started going down. Reporter the treatment takes about two hours. In a perfect world how many would you do in a day . We could start with one and keep going to be honest. Reporter 24 hours. Yeah, we have that many orders. Reporter the hospital is going to turn a tent into a treatment unit. I just worry were not going to have the Staffing Capacity to meet demand. Reporter hospitals across the Bluegrass State so full with covid19 patients almost the entire system stretched to the limit. So i get really fearful when we need beds for folks who their diabetes is out of control and they need an Insulin Drip or they have regular or acute cardio pneumonia. We might not have a bed for them. If you come with a Heart Attack and you need an Icu Bed we probably wont have a bed for you. Reporter st. Clair Health Care crunches their own numbers. They believe they probably have about three weeks left in case increases and hospitalizations before they decline. That woman we met, middleton she is getting better, going to go home soon. Shes encouraging her family to get vaccinated and maybe a few friends in her hometown in kentucky. Anderson . Lets hope so. 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