Catastrophe in afghanistan. When was he warned . A month ago. A month ago, he was urged to take swift action to get the afghans who have been helping us out of the country. Cnn has learned about the classified cable to tony blinken. Signed by more than a dozen u. S. Diplomats in midjuly which laid out how the State Department could speed up the process of afghans applying for Siv Or Refugee status because they knew afghanistan was falling fast. Again, they knew afghanistan was falling fast. According to department officials, those diplomats now feel their warnings were where we are and how we got here. Yes, this is also a rush to judgment about what is happening there. People are already concluding that its over. That this is a failure. We dont know that, yet. It is premature to judge. But the sooner the administration shows it can get more people out, the sooner the naysayers will have to shut up. But be clear. The situation on the ground is getting worse. This is how the taliban does things. That is open fire on crowds that arent doing what they want them to do. The biggest challenge on the ground for the united States Mission is reach. Listen. At this point, we dont have the resources to go beyond the airport compound. At this time, as the Army Mission continues to be to secure to allow those american citizens and other sivs to come in and be processed at the airfield. Again, that may be true but it cant mean that everyone outside the airport is abandoned. That is unacceptable so what is being done . We hear that they are negotiating directly with the taliban. Whats happening . I dont think yes, you can say, look, we dont want to tell you about the ongoing negotiations. Itll mess it up. Okay. But you need to tell americans more than you are right now about how youre going to make things better. The biden administration must make this a haveto situation, not what we heard today about hope. We believe that we will soon begin to see an opening up of the aperture and were hopeful that that means a more consistent increase in the flow. I dont even know what that means, exactly. More opening of the aperture. More hope for the consistent flow. What is that . The pentagon says theres still no decision to extend operations through the August 31st deadline. Even though President Biden suggested there is a possibility. Our military said its goal was to evacuate between 5,000 and 9,000, a day. Now, this, you have to pay attention to. It is not meeting that goal. Okay . Its at about 7,000 in the last five days. Now, there are dreams coming true here. Lets be clear. People are getting out. This little girl is among those who made it out. Draped in a jacket of an american soldier to help her sleep on one of the evacuation flights. Look. This is who we are. This is america at her best. And we know, this isnt about the men and women on the ground. We know theyre doing their damnedest. We know that theyre all about doing the job and overcoming their predicament. We know they care about these people. Youre hearing it from veterans all the time. Their desperation about this. This isnt about them. This is about the planners. Can this get better . And if so, what does that look like . We have the perfect guest. Formerchief Counterterrorism Ad Adviser on the national Security Council. Richard clark. Dick, its good to see you again tonight. Judge what you are seeing in here. Well, chris, its a debacle. And right now, lets just state the obvious. The people who decide how many americans get out and how many former employees of the united states get out. The people who decide that are the taliban. The general that you showed earlier said in his Press Conference today, we do not have the Military Capability to go into the city and get people and bring them out. So the people we are allowed to fly out are the people the taliban is willing to let us have. And how did we allow ourselves to be painted into that kind of corner . Where the greatest power in the world thats the largest military and has spent trillions of dollars on its military is at the mercy of the taliban to decide who were allowed to rescue. What did they think was going to happen . You know, the administration says well, we examined all sorts of scenarios. We had a plan for every scenario. You had a plan for this . What was your plan . Your plan was to let the taliban decide who gets out . Well, they say it collapsed faster than we thought. We thought thered still be government infrastructure. But they still doesnt have the manpower on the ground. But i guess, they were assuming the afghan government would fill in the gaps. But where does that leave us . Does the Does America have leverage, dick, in terms of dealing with the taliban . Its hard to imagine what leverage we have, other than saying well give them money. We have a lot of afghan assets. We have probably billions of dollars that belong to the afghan government locked away in the treasury somewhere. But it would be disgusting, i think, to the american people to think that we would pay to get our people out. And aside from paying, i dont know what leverage we have. What are we going to do . You know, we bombed them for 20 years. I dont think that scares them, anymore. I dont think we have much leverage. And what leverage do we have over what happens to the 5,000 terrorists that they let loose out of the prison in bagram . None. We have no leverage about what happens to them. Do they go back to being part of Al Qaeda . Do they get back to their home countries and start terrorist activities there . The point is if if it is true that they looked at every possibility and they had a plan for every possibility. Then, they found this situation acceptable. And its not acceptable. Its damaging our reputation as a country. Our allies All Around The World and and our enemies are looking at us as a greatly diminished power because we werent able to carry this off properly. But if youre in there right now, obviously, they cant have it or am i wrong . I cant believe that the american government, the biden administration would carry the stain of having abandoned americans in afghanistan. Well, they dont want to. And they are saying theyll stay there as long as possible to get them all out. But they havent explained how are they going to deal with the fact that its the taliban who decides who gets out, not the united states . Theres no answer been given to that and i cant imagine what the answer is because i dont know how you change that situation. Now, you mentioned the 5,000 people that the taliban let out. That are assumed to be bad guys who wanted to do bad things. Um, that plays into the other question. Now that youre not in afghanistan and youve had 20 years of no repeat of a 9 11scale event, how Does America get kept as safe without the presence there as we were with the presence there . Well, the answer is it doesnt. And the Cia Director was pretty clear about that about six weeks ago before the congress when he said if we get out, we will have less capability to know what is going on. To know what terrorist cells are there. To know what theyre planning. And frankly, to be able to stop them. We will have less capability. They talk about having an overthehorizon capability. Well, i had that in the 1990s and let me tell ya, that was not very satisfactory. If we go back to having an overthehorizon capability, again, with no intelligence assets and no Military Assets in the country, which is where we are, were not going to know. Were not going to know when the Terrorist Group is plotting another attack on the u. S. So were going to have to hear that plan from them, also, about how they deal with that. And then, you have what we saw today in front of the library of congress. I dont you know, we dont really understand, yet, dick, you know, what this Guys Deal was, why he was there. If he just is emotionally or mentally unstable or whatever. But is part of assessing the threat that theres so much anger about whats happening in afghanistan that it can provoke not just lone wolves and cells that are sympathetic to the taliban or to terror here but to White Supremacists and insurrectionist types . Well, it does convey to everybody, including the insurrection types in their own country, that the united States Government is not competent. And the Incident Today was just a mentally disturbed person. That what it shows you, once again, and we have seen this three or four times in washington is that one mentally disturbed person saying he has a bomb can shut down the city. Youve seen this happen before. It happened at the washington monument. Happens all the time, frankly. Its every other year, we have something like this. But i think the issue that youre pointing to is that everybody, when they think about, oh, what will the u. S. Government do to stop me . They are going to think the u. S. Government cant do anything right. Well, look. Certainly, we need better answers and thats why i need you for the audience, richard, so people understand the questions that have to be answered. So thank you very much for your analysis. I appreciate you as always. Thank you, chris. All right. Be well. So, thats pretty depressing. You know, but id rather you hear it straight. Okay . And id rather talk about it this way and provoking the questions that play to getting the americans out. And what keeps us safe. And just, you know, the political blame and the trump and the biden and the bush and the obama because you go on with that forever and meanwhile, the americans are trapped there. I say deal with the instant circumstance and the immediate ramification, not play politics. So you are talking to the taliban. Does that sound good to you . Doesnt to me. We got a great guest tonight. Someone who was inside the negotiations with the taliban on president trumps watch. What does she think about the idea that we are working with the taliban right now . Will that work . And how did we get here . Next. We strip in the community garden. Ive been stripping here for years. I strip before takeoff. Breathe right strips open your nose for relief you can feel right away, helping you take in air more easily, wherever you are. Music playing. Theres an america we build and one we explore one thats been paved and one thats forever wild but freedom means you dont have to choose just one adventure you get both. Introducing the Allnew 3row Jeep grand cherokee l jeep. 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So lets deal with the now. And then, the how we got here. The idea that theyre negotiating with the taliban. Do you believe that the united states can make a deal to get the americans out in the current conditions . Well, i think its absolutely necessary that our Military Leadership is talking with the taliban about getting american citizens out of afghanistan, as well as all of those afghans that have partnered with us over the last 20 years. Thats absolutely essential. So we really have no choice now. The taliban has taken over the country. We may control the airport. But we dont control the perimeter of the airport and the corridors coming into the airport. So its absolutely necessary. There are still thousands of americans, thousands of afghans that need to get from their homes to the airport. And to do that safely, we have to implore the taliban to allow that to happen. So, yeah, i i think its its important that its being done. All right. So i get it. But help me with this part. You say implore the taliban. They say, no, get out. We gave you a window. Bye. Now, what do you do . Whats the leverage . Like, how do you make them do anything they dont want to do unless youre willing to put the military might on them . Well, i think the taliban is interested in trying to gain international legitimacy. Look. They now have to run a country. They have to run an aueconomy. They are going to need international assistance. So, they they are motivated, i think, to to try to, you know, maintain that legitimacy. And try to have decent relations with other countries. So you can make the argument that they will, you know, want to see not bloodshed. They they want to see these people get out safely. So i think there is is an argument to be made that they would want this to go as smoothly as possible. Now, how we got here. You were in The Room where it happened in terms of negotiating with the taliban in doha with the Trump Administration. First, was that the right move . Negotiating with a Terrorist Insurgent Force in that country . Was that the right thing for the Trump Administration to do . Well, i think it wasnt wrong to try. And in 2018, the decision was made that the u. S. Would engage directly with the taliban. The taliban refused to engage with the afghan government. They didnt want to grant them legitimacy. So the u. S. Made the decision. U. S. Decided were never going to be able to get off the ground any kind of Peace Talks unless we try. The problem was how the Doha Agreement was negotiated during the Trump Administration. It turned out to be a very weak agreement. It undermined the ghani government. For instance, the ghani government was forced to release 5,000 taliban prisoners even before the taliban agreed to sit down with the government. Those 5,000 taliban prisoners probably contributed to the military Campaign Weve seen over the last few weeks. The second problem was not much was demanded of the taliban on the counterterrorism front. At the very least, the u. S. Should have demanded that the taliban break ties to Al Qaeda and eject Al Qaeda from afghanistan. That was the whole reason we had gone into the country. Instead, the agreement committed the taliban to not allowing Al Qaeda to threaten the united states. Well, what if Al Qaeda doesnt ask permission before attacking the united states . It was a big loophole, and unfortunately um i think the agreement weakened the ghani government. And so, it was a contributing factor. It wasnt the only factor that has led us to this calamity but it was a major one. Is it, also, true that weak as it may be as you describe it, that there were conditions that the taliban was supposed to meet about where it was and where it wasnt in order for the united states to pull back its troops . And that those conditions werent met and that the united states pulled out its forces, anyway . Well, there really werent many conditions on the taliban. Really, the only thing the u. S. Got out of the agreement was for the taliban not to shoot u. S. Forces on they way out of the country. The agreement did not get us a peace process. And it did not get a break between the taliban and Al Qaeda. So it didnt help us with our terrorism, counterterrorism interests either. So there really were very few conditions. There were these, you know, classified, secret annexes to the agreement. Which doesnt even really make sense because then how can you keep the group accountable if theyre not public . If the requirements arent public. As senior director and understanding the region so well, did you let all of these obvious problems be known to the negotiators . I mean, what why was this allowed to stand this way with good minds like yours at the table . Well, there were several people who thought the agreement should have been tougher. That we shouldve extracted more concessions from the taliban, and not pulled the rug out from under the ghani government the way it was done. But unfortunately, those voices didnt carry the day in The End. But i also want to say this. The biden administration had an opportunity to withdrawal from the agreement. They could have reevaluated it, renegotiated it, taken a different path on afghanistan. But the biden administration chose to stick with it. So, yeah. This is why why we are where we are. Now, its also true that the pullout was extremely abrupt. We pulled out 16,000 contractors, all at once. These are contractors that helped maintain the equipment for the afghans. They helped keep the Air Assets in the air. So we literally pulled the rug out from under the afghans and we we sort of played into the talibans strategy. On the one hand, theyre gaining legitimacy from this pretend peace process. At the same time, theyre making Military Advances on the ground. Now, you got to hope that pulling out all those contractors, hopefully the Equipment Wont Work that long because the talibans going to probably wind up being in possession of all of it. How come there was never any discussion about, hey, by the way, when were pulling out, were going to get all our people out and all our allies and youre not going to do anything until were done with that. Why wasnt that on the table . Well, look. I think that you know that our military did not want a complete drawdown of u. S. Forces. Secretary austin, general milley. They were advising the president to keep a small Counterterrorism Presence on the ground. And so, when the decision was made by the president to withdrawal forces in midapril, everything happened very quickly. And i think things just got ahead of planning. And unfortunately, nobody you know, i dont care what anybody says nobody expected the taliban to be able to collapse the country and take over in ten days time. If you look at the time for when the first Provincial Capital fell on august 6th. You know, less than ten days later, the entire country had fallen to the taliban. Nobody predicted that. So yes, the biden administration is is behind the curve in getting u. S. Citizens out. In getting afghans out. But we do have a chance to redeem ourselves, and that is by committing the resources, taking the time. Staying there at the airport until we get all the afghans and u. S. Citizens out that we can. We its our moral responsibility to relocate as many afghans as possible. These are people who worked with us on our mission. They believed in our mission. They now have targets on their back. And its our responsibility to relocate them. Ill tell you what. I mean, look. We have News Today that there was a State Department assessment sent to Secretary Of State Blinken Back in july that they believed this was gonna go ugly, early. So the timing on when they knew that the taliban well, look. We both know that the taliban have been making these encroachments for, like, 18, 24 months now. So its not like they just came out of nowhere but i take your point about this extreme period of movement. Heres my concern. And just give me a yes no on this. Do you believe that theres a real chance that the taliban will say, no, youve gotten enough. We hear that you have 4 or 5,000 of your citizens here. Were not letting you get them. And that the united states is forced to take Military Action to get em out . I really dont see that happening. Again, i think the taliban recognizes theyve got to run a country now. Theyre going to need international assistance. Theyre going to want diplomatic recognition. We already see them going on this Charm Offensive where the taliban spokesman on tuesday promised that girls would be able to go to school. Women would be able to go to university. That they wouldnt engage in Reprisal Killings against formergovernment officials. Now, that may be all talk. We have to judge them by their actions, not by what theyre saying. But i do believe that they understand that they need international assistance. And they are not going to they dont want to jeopardize that, especially so early, early on after taking control of the country. And so, i do think we have a window to get our people out. To get afghans out. But were going to have to push out the perimeter of security. We are going to have to, you know, make sure that we can protect people as theyre coming into the airport. So all of this is being negotiated as we speak. And, you know, i was glad to hear that President Biden is probably willing to extend the deadline for getting all of our troops out beyond August 31st. Right. They need it. It may take more time. Yep. And at some point, united states has to be dictating the terms for its own people. Lisa curtis, thank you so much for taking us inside The Room. Helping us understand how we got here. And where we may go from here. Thank you. Uhhuh. All right. So many heroes who have helped protect us are stuck in afghanistan right now. Citizens, interpreters. Now, weve been introducing you to them to kind of get some sense of the urgency. The connection. Why we should care. One of them just threw me for a huge loop. You remember, Last Night i introduced you to ismail . I split my family in four different location to make sure they are safe. And i am trying everything to help them out not only my family, every single family that that are in afghanistan and begging for help. So i have an update for you on the former interpreter that you just were listening to there for our forces. Hes doing something that i advised not to, and i am shocked by. Next. [sfx psst psst] allergies dont have to be scary. Spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. Psst psst all good ok, got everything ready. Got the rental. Got it dropped off. 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Grew up at midnight the maccabees dreams are on the line. You got this. Refresh. It all, comes down, to this. Last night, we introduced you to ismail khan. A man who risked his life for six years to keep americans safe. He put his Life On The Line as a translator, an interpreter. They call em terps. Helping the u. S. Army. For weeks, now hes in the united states and he has been consumed with trying to help his own family that he had to separate into different areas. And hundreds of others to do what he did. Escape afghanistan. Live the freedom that was promised them. Trump added Red Tape to vetting from muslim countries as you will he remember. It was his End Run around his muslim ban, not being able to outright ban people of an entire faith. Now, that made it harder for america to keep her promise to those who worked with the u. S. The State Department then said it was ramping up efforts to process visas for afghan allies. But still, folks like Ismail Have Run into bureaucratic roadblock after roadblock. So ismail decided to do one of the most dangerous things i can imagine. As someone who he knows the taliban will catch and do bad things to, he has decided to go back. Ismail sent me an update. Here it is. Hello, chris. I know you told me not to go to afghanistan yesterday. But i have to. I have to go to to to help out. I know i can help out when if i am on the ground there. I know a lot of people in there. They can help out. I i have that moral obligation that i need to keep the american promise that they made to afghan people. And american government is not doing it. So an afghan that helped us, then came here, is going back so that he can help america keep its promise. He is on his way to Abu Dhabi in the uae. And then, from there, he is going to try and get into afghanistan to kabul. Now, his plan is to try to get to the airport and work out of there. He has connections from his time but no guarantees. If he is caught by the taliban, that is not a good scenario. There are no commercial flights into kabul. So hes working connections to figure out how hes going to get there to his family. Remember, he has them hiding in four separate locations. Trapped in the middle of the socalled taliban kill zone. There are thousands of other families that hes been in touch with. And he just believes this is what he has to do. This is where they all want to be right now. Inside this secure perimeter of the karzai international airport In Kabul. From there, the dream is an american c17 out. A seat on one of those is what everybodys clinging to. And that hope is diminishing with every empty seat that flies away. Getting to a plane is another story you keep hearing. Well, we dont have any control. Even if you are In Kabul, a ride to the Airport Meaning running a gauntlet of fear with a group of people who are overtaking a country. Many of them arent even from afghanistan. Im going to give you that report tomorrow night. Who is the taliban . Where are they from . Who made this happen . But roads with swarming with them right now and they are there and they mean business. At the airport, Take A Look at the scenes of chaos. Thats Safe Passage . This is what the taliban calls Safe Passage. The same taliban who just months ago murdered ismails cousins oldest son because of his cousins work with the united states. Our government says theyre working on it. Im seeing the same reports on twitter that you are. And every report of someone unable, for whatever reason, to reach the airport is something we take very seriously. Ill tell you who takes it seriously. Ismail khan. A man who is choosing to leave the united states, the safety of a new home in seattle, to go to the most dangerous place for him in the world. And he is fully aware of whats waiting for him. I know its dangerous. I know its dangerous for me, for my family, for everyone that i know. But i have to do it. I dont have any option. This morning when i was leaving, my 8yearold son was crying. He he know how how bad the situation is. But i cant. There are thousands of kids they are out there. They needed someones support. I am going to go there. Im im not sure that if im going to make it back or not. But i i owe them a lot and i ill do whatever it takes. How can our military and our government not match the gumption of this man . Willing to do whatever it takes. Well keep you updated. God willing, hes safe. He gets somewhere safe and he can communicate with us. All right. I also want to talk to you about whats happening back here at home. Does it have any connection to whats happening abroad . The scare near the u. S. Capitol today. Police arrested this guy claiming to have a bomb. A long standoff. The guy was like broadcasting live while he was there. He rambled about politics and some of its Gonna Sound Ugly and familiar. So how does this Drama Square with our warnings about domestic terror . Are we getting ready for a new wave based on whats happening over there . Are the wrong people getting riled up . We have a Formerdeputy Director of the fbi for his assessment, next. Its Grilled Cheese time. Yeah, its time for Grilled Cheese. After we make Grilled Cheese, then were eating Grilled Cheese. Because its time. Yeah. Time for Grilled Cheese. Were carvana, the company who invented Car Vending Machines and buying a car 100 online. Now weve created a brandnew way for you to sell your car. Whether its a year old or a few years old. We wanna buy your car. So go to carvana and enter your License Plate Answer a few questions. And our Techno Wizardry calculates your Cars Value and gives you a real offer in seconds. When youre ready, well come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, thats it. 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Making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. It took five hours for police to arrest a 49yearold Man who threatened to set off this bomb, allegedly, near the u. S. Capitol. We are still learning about him. But he live streamed his standoff outside library of congress. That got him attention. He was ranting in a way that you will find familiar and obnoxious. That President Bidens policies on healthcare, immigration, and the afghanistan withdrawal were unacceptable. Listen. Bidont pull the trigger on this truck because im not responsible for it. Its my land. Its your land. Were the people. Taking a stand, though. All them people dying in afghanistan, all Them Kids Being raped. Just let Taliban Run right through. Now, a lot of that, especially about afghanistan, and he went on about how you are letting all these um these illegal immigrants from afghanistan. A lot of that are Fringe Rightwing and fox talking points. Nobodys talking about having some massive influx of afghan people coming here. Its about getting them out. Getting them somewhere safe. Now, he didnt have an actual explosive. Police say he did possess possible Bomb Making Materials in the truck. So are we going to be seeing more of this . Is this one of the potential areas of fallout from whats happening in afghanistan . Deputy director of the fbi, former, andrew mccabe, joins us now. Its good to see you. Whats your assessment of this guy straight up . Well, chris, i think the thing that surprises me most about him is that we havent seen more people like him doing things like this, particularly here in the capital and and up on the capitol grounds. I think, also, the dhs all the terrorism issues they are most concerned about specifically talked about people just like this guy. Violent extremists motivated by personal grievance. People who have consumed Conspiracy Theories on in certain online forums and places on the internet are motivated to take matters into their own hands and strike out violently. Thats what you saw today um with as deeply divided as we are right now and with as many Conspiracy Theories and false false theories that we have rolling around out there, i think you are going to see more of it. Is there a principle of C Conflation or combining that with people see whats happening in afghanistan. Whether theyre, you know, veterans or theyre just sympathizers for the american military and they say look how you did them dirty. Look how you let us lose there and that, that can become some kind of fuel for action here . I guess its possible. But i would really be hesitant to draw a a a direct line between people like formerafghan veterans motivated by what they see happening in afghanistan this week. Because frankly, we havent really seen that so far. Whats much more common, what we have seen over the last several months, certainly on january 6th, is people who are motivated by these false theories, propagated in rightwing media sites. Stop the steal. You know, losing the country. Trying to take things back to the way they were. Motivated to take take matters into their own hands. Yeah. Thats what im pointing to. Not the veterans, themselves. I understand their disappointment. I understand the incredible um you know, being dismayed about whats happening to the allies there. But people who believe theyre carrying the flag in the name of americas military and patriotism. And then, lashing out because they dont like what happened in afghanistan. That would be the concern. Andrew mccabe, thank you very much for the analysis. Appreciate it. So three more u. S. Senators did you hear this tested positive for covid. Now, this isnt a shock. Okay . Were going to see this. Theyre not different human beings. They were vaccinated. 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I dont understand why it cant happen faster. Were seeing in polls its important with the vaccine hesitant. Now you have boosters you cant get until the fda approves the underlying drug. Whats your take . Chris, i think that the approval at least for the Pfizer Vaccine is going to come by The End of the month or right around there. This is a process designed for when we are not in a public health emergency. So, the vaccine thats available now is not experimental. There have been large clinical trials done. There have been followup of hundreds of millions of people who have gotten the vaccines. So, we know a lot about the Safety And Effectiveness. What the full approval does is gives Fda Chance to dot the is, cross the ts, and look at things that just dont matter like is the vaccine going to be stable in a freezer for a Year Or Something like that. What we will know is that people will know that fda has gone this extra mile. The agency is trying not to cut corners on it, but its still going much faster than a usual approval takes. So, people should and i think will be more confident about the vaccines with the approval. But were not going to learn anything new about the Safety And Effectiveness of the Pfizer Vaccine. And there will be approvals coming along in the months ahead in all likelihood for the moderna vaccine, the J J Vaccine after that. So, hopefully that will add to the confidence that people have about the vaccines. But im told that one of the reasons that boosters are going to be available in mid to late september is because they need to get the Fda Approval of the underlying drug first. Thats why im saying it matters on two different levels. Ive got two other things to check boxes with. One is people hear that you need a booster shot. People hear that there are break through infections even if youre vaccinated, and it makes them suspicious of whether the vaccine is really that good. Then theyre told, oh, no, no, the problem is not the vaccine. Its the unvaccinated. Whats your take . I think there are several things to unpack there. First off, ever since the Beginning Weve had concerns that the vaccines would wear off after a while. Thats really common, especially when you have two doses close together. Thats essentially like getting one infection, getting two doses fast is a good way to boost immunity fast. But there is an expectation that might decline, and were seeing that happen this time. Second, chris, as you know, were now facing the Delta Variant, which is way more contagious than the previous Alpha Variant and the original covid virus. So, thats leading to more break through infections as well. So, those are a couple of things that weve been watching overtime and were seeing more data time you just talked about, more break through cases. What we also know is that people who have been vaccinated are very unlikely to have serious cases, more like flu or a cold or something like that lasts just for a few days. The vast majority of people hospitalized with serious consequences are people who havent been vaccinated. So, its really important to remember two things. One is vaccinations are safe and effective. Were going to have more data on that continuing to come out, more data on the boosters coming as well. Number two is watch the recommendations. So, the people who need to get boosters first are the one who is have the most issues with their immune systems, the ones at highest risk and the ones who got vaccinated earliest. So, theres going to be time to work through this in the weeks ahead. Dr. Mark mcclellan. Thank you very much. Well be right back with the handoff. Dry eye symptoms driving you crazy . Inflammation might be to blame. 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