If everything were to go well, and everything were to fall into place, i think, its possible that we could see a vaccine, before The End of the Calendar Year for kids under 12. That cannot come too soon, obviously. Nationwide, the number of kids hospitalized for covid is on the brink of exceeding the highest levels on record for the entire pandemic. In california, where the numbers are also climbing, the Governor Today became the first in the nation to order vaccination or regular testing for all teachers and other School Personnel statewide. Meantime, in texas and florida, where childhood cases are climbing, much more steeply, local officials defied orders from their respective governors, by imposing Mask Mandates in schools or the general population. And across the hardesthit areas, People Who work in Childrens Hospitals, are seeing something tHey havent seen, prior to the Delta Variant, tHey say. Over the last year, we hadnt seen as many kids get acute covid lung disease, as much as were seeing now that Delta Variant is definitely hitting them a lot harder, a lot faster, than we had seen in the past. Um game changer. It is. The kids are definitely sicker than tHey have been. So, a lot to talk about tonight. Including, how effective masks are at keeping kids safe in school. Well talk to a pediatric infectious Disease Specialist who studied more than A Million School Students and staff in North Carolina about whAt The research actually found. We begin, though, with cnns Kaitlan Collins At The White House. So what more do we know about this Booster Decision . So anderson, this is expected to come from the fda by The End of the week authorizing this third shot for some People Who are immunocompromised. Its not expected to be everyone, who is considered immunocompromised but a small subset of group and as you heard the Surgeon General say, earlier, that can be People Who recently had Organ Transplants. Are getting chemo treatment. Things of that nature, as well. But that will be detailed when the fda does make this authorization and its not the last step in actually getting these people this third shot of moderna or of the pfizer vaccine. But it is the first step in this because once the fda has changed the authorization, which which right now, is just for two shots and thats why Doctors Cant offer a third shot, At This point, because thats not whAt The fda has authorized. Then, cdc has to vote on that and make a recommendation about whether or not to follow that authorization from the fda. And conveniently, the cdc does have a meeting with its Vaccine Advisers scheduled for friday. And so, there could be a vote coming out of that. And so, you could see this start to move quickly for some of these immunocompromised people, who have been waiting to hear from the fda and from the cdc whether or not tHey need a third shot of these twodose vaccines. What about boosters for the general population . I mean, is this just kind of a first step to to so that its not everybody, all at once . Yeah. Well, tHey are kind of considering two different things here. So for People Who have who are immunocompromised, the concern, essentially, tHey need a third shot is because tHey never developed the same response to the vaccine that someone who is not immunocompromised did. And so, that is the concern there and why tHey need them. Given, of course, we have seen that about a third of the People Who are eligible to get a vaccine in the u. S. Did not actually get one so there is not that Herd Immunity that doctors were hoping the u. S. Could achieve. When it comes to the general population getting vaccines, whAt THeyre studying for that is the efficacy and when it starts to wane. That is still something, anderson, thAt THey are looking into. THey are trying to make a judgment on when that happens. We have seen Moderna And Pfizer kind of put out of some their own information but the question with with that is not just that everyone should get them, at once. Its who should get them, when . And what should the dates be recommended for them . Because, of course, a lot of elderly people were first in line to get the vaccines in the united states. A hlot of healthcare workers, also. So that is something we are expecting to get closer to september from tophealth officials. But this is a decision for those who are immunocompromised could come, right now, by The End of the weeng. Though, we have been cautioned thAt Timing could slide. Kaitlan collins, appreciate it. Thanks. Lets get perspective now from cnn medical analyst and former baltimore city health commissioner, dr. Leana wen. The pandemic has become more dangerous for children. Here is how to help keep them safe. She is also the author of the new book lifelines, a Doctors Journey in the fight for public health. Also with us, cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. Sanjay gupta. Sanjay, how significant is this . I mean, talk about who is considered immunocompromised and eligible for a third shot. Yeah. Well, this is significant. I mean, we have seen this sort of play out in countries Around The World and i think a lot of people have been wondering when this was likely to happen here in the united states. And it looks like it is imminent, as kaitlan just said. If the fda does go ahead and make this recommendation, it will be followed by the cdc. Just like we saw with the vaccines. You remember, the fda authorized. Cdc formally recommended. We see the same thing and as as soon after that, we could see the shots going out. Maybe, this weekend or earlynext week. It could be that fast. It is about 3 to 4 of the population we are talking about. 9 to 10 Million people. Immunocompromised means your Immune System is compromised. Not able to to sort of create the sort of immune response to the vaccines that other people do. So People Who have received chemotherapy, hivaids patients, and People Who maybe received Organ Transplants and are on immunosuppressive drugs. Let me show you this graphic of what we are talking about here. This is a study that came out of the new England Journal of medicine. Little busy there but focus on that bottomleft screen. The red lines basically are what happens when someone got the firsttwo shots. See how many antibodies tHey produce. Not many. Then, tHey have the third shot and tHey produced a lot of antibodies. The blue lines are the same thing just with placebo. Just to give a Control Test there. Point being, that for People Who said, look, i just am not generating enough antibodies at least according to this one study when tHey got thAt Third shot, it did make a big difference. Really, bringing those Antibody Levels up. So, just so im clear, People Who have hiv who are on medication. Are tHey still immunocompromised . I thought that meant their systems were pretty much like everybody elses. Yeah, it depends. You can measure that. You can basically see how many of these types of immune cells tHey actually have in their system. So tHey are often, sort of, you know, followed along for that specifically. Whereas, People Who may take immunosuppressive drugs for transplant, for example, some people may take these types of drugs because tHey have autoimmune diseases. We are going to hear more from the fda about who, specifically, tHey are talking about here. Because, you know, 10 Million people is a big group of people but who specifically is that going to be . I think Thats Part of whAt The fda and then the cdc will will drill Down On. Dr. Wen, theres what People Who received the one dose the Johnson Johnson Vaccine should do but if an immunocompromised person received the j j vaccine, would tHey now i assume tHey would be able to get a dose of Pfizer Or Moderna . Well, i definitely hope so. And actually, in this case, i certainly agree with sanjay. I think its really important for the Fda And Cdc to come out with strong recommendations that certain groups of immunocompromised people should get the Booster Shot, At This point. But i also hope tHey leave room for nuance. I mean, there are going to be people with some degree of i immunocompromised who may not belong in one of these very high risk categories. But maybe, tHey live at home with someone who is unvaccinated not taking precautions. THey have a little bit of immunocompromised, maybe tHey should also be allowed to get a Booster Shot by way of exposure. Same thing goes for people with the Johnson Johnson Vaccine. We actually know, At This point, the j j vaccine, like astrazeneca, another adenovirus vaccine, tHey are effective against severe illness but less effective, it seems, especially with the Delta Variant. And so, i think, for these individuals, a decision should be able to be made between them and their doctor about getting a booster dose, At This time, regardless of immunocompromise. And i hope thAt The Fda And Cdc allow for people to start making these decisions for themselves, with their doctors, instead of having, as is the case, many people just going to random pharmacies. Their doctors saying to them, you should get the booster but tHey cant prescribe it and so tHey are going to pharmacies. THey are going to grocery stores. Trying to figure out a way to get the booster. That should not be happening. We should allow People Discretion in consultation with their doctors. So, sanjay, how would this even work now for if you are going to get a booster . I mean, are the bigvaccination centers, still, operating . Or are is it now all through pharmacies and and doctors . Its its mostly through through pharmacies and doctors. And in most places, there is supply. You know, this was a problem, obviously, early on. ThAt The demand was outstripping the supply for a long time. The supply has outstripped the demand and in some of these places, vaccines are even expiring. So, you know, its a question of them really, you know, being able to get used in this way. Otherwise, possibly, going to waste. So, for most people, itll be, you know, whatever sort of system. Maybe, tHey got their original vaccine. If it was a bigvaccine center, its most likely its going to be more available in their local pharmacies, now. I mean, i just i know this is off topic but i mean, i got to say. The idea the vaccines are going to be thrown out because not enough people are taking em. And there are people, Around The World, who would do anything to to get a vaccine. It it is its just its unconscionable. I i totally agree. I mean, i just came back from tokyo, and i got a chance to interact with people from All Over The World there. And it is remarkable to me, the places Around The World where, you know, access is 1 or 2 of the population even has access. There were Vaccine Programs that have just started in some countries over the last few weeks. So people are literally begging for these vaccines in order to get back to their way of life. And, you know, were explaining that we have, you know, significant hesitancy, plenty of supply. To be fair, there is hesitancy All Over The World. But this is, you know, unprecedented levels, for sure. Um, dr. Wen, we have been talking a lot about, this week, when children the age of 12 will be eligible for vaccine. We heard from the Surgeon General tonight, said its possible a vaccine to be available for kids under 12 before The End of this year. He also noted the companies are still Com Peopiling data from t trials tHey are conducting. Youre a mom. Two young kids. What are your expectations . Well, it feels like our timeline keeps on getting pushed back because, initially, there were some reports that, maybe, as early as september or october, we would be able to see the vaccines be authorized for the 5 to 11yearold group. And maybe, the 3 to 5yearold group by by The End of this year. I mean, Thats Kind of what i think i and many other people were hoping for. At this point, i would like to see a bit more transparency, as in, what exactly is happening . How close are we to getting those results . And also, how much data is the fda actually waiting for . The urgency to get the vaccines for younger children is quite extraordinary, now. I mean, right now, were entering a period that is, arguably, the most dangerous time for children during the entire pandemic because we have the Delta Variant. We have 93,000 children, who are getting who have gotten infected in the last week. More than 200 kids are getting hospitalized, every day. And now, kids are going Back To School. People are not using the same precautions, as tHey were before. And so, i think we need to raise the level of urgency and to really ask the question, how much data are we looking for . I mean, how many children need to be in these studies . What is the level of safety and the time period that we need . Definitely, we want to make sure these vaccines are safe and effective. Of course. We dont want any any corners to be cut. But we also need these vaccines pretty urgently, too. Yeah. Dr. Leana wen, thank you. Sanjay, appreciate it, as always. Thank you. Coming up next. One Girls Struggle with covid. 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But a line on a graph when its climbing sharply only says so much about the effects of the virus that are being felt one child and one family at a time. Gary tuchman has more. Knock, knock. Reporter a Childrens Hospital in missouri, and sitting on the couch is angel baker, a mother who has gone through a horrifying week. Her 14yearold daughter, mariana, tested positive for covid, got very sick, and was put on oxygen for five days. Angel says her daughter has received excellent treatment here At The cardinal glen and Childrens Hospital in st. Louis. Might make you cough but thats what we want. That was a good one. Ope. I warned ya. Good job. Reporter mariana and her mother live about150 miles away in southern missouri. She started feeling ill, at home. It, quickly, got worse. I was scared. I was panicking. Monday, the 2nd, august the 2nd, i decided to take her to urgent care because she told me she couldnt breathe. Reporter the decision was made for mariana to be transported by ambulance to this renownedChildrens Hospital. For mariana, it was like a nightmare. Very scary. Reporter when you saw her struggling to breathe with the oxygen, what was going through your mind . Just praying. Asking god to bring her back, keep her safe. Were you afraid she wasnt gonna make it . Yes, sir. Reporter the 40yearold Mother says she received the covid vaccine, but says her daughter did not. Why didnt she get vaccinated . I dont know. She i i i left it up to her. And she decided she didnt want to get vaccinated. Reporter i dont mean to make you feel badly. But you have gone through so much, my guess is and im making an educated guess that you wish you insisted upon her getting the vaccination. Yes. Reporter there are currently children as young as 2 years old in the pediatric intensive Care Unit and the regular Patient Rooms At This hospital. Of course, children under 12 cannot, yet, get the vaccine. Last year, At This time, doctors here say the typical numbers of children with covid coming into the emergency room, on a daily basis, were zero, one, or two. Now, tHey say, that daily number is, usually, 11, 12, or 13. This doctor is a pediatric infectious Disease Specialist At The hospital. We seeing more severe cases. We are seeing more cases in the icu. And seeing more cases that require longer duration of treatment in the hospital. Reporter dr. Tanos is the surgical unit medical director here. Its agonizing, sometimes. Especially, when you see some of these sick some of these kids spiraling down befortHey head t icu. How many children have gotten the vaccine, also . None. Reporter mariana has turned the corner and is looking forward to recuperating at home. And then, being well enough to start her life as a High School freshman. She left us with this message. Get a vaccine so you wont have to be in the hospital bed. Cant breathe. Reporter and her mother has one, too. Please, parents, get vaccinated and get your kids vaccinated. Its real. Dont let no school, no governor its its real. And, gary, i understand theres been a development in the story . Yeah, anderson, theres good news. Mariana has been released from this hospital. She, now, will be able to recuperate at home. Shes supposed to start High School, a week from monday. She wont be able to go to High School, just yet. But her mothers hoping shes healthy enough to start going to school, before The End of september. One interesting note, anderson. Mariana has a 12yearold, little sister. That 12yearold, little sister, also, was not vaccinated. So, angel was here with her older daughter, mariana, for the week but she went back to where tHey live in southern missouri, on friday, and she took her daughter to get vaccinated. Anderson. Gary tuchman, appreciate it. We wish them the best. More now on how to prevent these cases. Our next guest and his colleagues at Duke University recently presented the results of a study of covid in North Carolina schools. Dr. Danny benjamin is the distinguished professor of pediatrics at duke, cochair of the science collaborative which did the study. Dr. Benjamin, i appreciate you being with us. So i want to ask you about your study, in a moment. But first, i mean, we just saw garys piece. As a pediatrician, what do you say to kids who are choosing not to get vaccinate the in that age group, who are able to . And what do you tell parents who are hesitant about getting their kids vaccinated. A little bit different. So the kids, i tend to talk to them about think about playing football like its not 2019, once again. Or think about a social life, like it was 2019. To try and get them excited about the vaccine, itself. For parents, its a much more concrete discussion. Youre gonna reduce the chances of long covid, of death, of morbidity, of hospitalization by more than 95 . You are going to essentially drive all of thAt To zero. Itll be safer than the flu. Itll be just like getting a cold. You want to get this done. And then, i tell them my own experience when the pfizer trial, first, opened up for 12 to 15yearolds. My two youngest sons were two of the first children enrolled in that study. And im a Firm Believer in the efficacy of the vaccine. So the Vaccines Wont be available for kids under 12 before The End of 2021, according to the Surgeon General. Um, you studied over A Million students and staff in in North Carolina. Can you just tell us what you learned about how effective masks are in schools . Because you had Rand Paul, you know, on youtube, saying that Cloth Masks dont work. Yes, that statement by paul is incorrect. So it started in the fall, and then, we replicated the study during the Winter Surge and through thAt Time, we showed that masking was preventing transmission of covid in schools. It drove it down to the point where a child coming in with covid had less than a 1 chance of giving it to their peers or to a teacher. Then, North Carolina developed bipartisan legislation, to the credit of our governor and legislators, that required schools to report their data to us, At The Abc Science collaborative. And put all children in the state eligible to be in school, full time. Over A Million children and adults reported data to us, every week, through their schools by School Infections from the Community And School acquired. Over 7,000 infections in the schools. 40,000 quarantines but only 363 with inschool transmission. Which, again, less than 1 chance of passing it on to your peers or to an adult. So, i mean, thats extraordinary that you are saying a child with covid coming to a school but wearing a mask has a less than 1 chance of giving it to to another kid . Because of because of the mask . Thats correct. Thats the primary intervention. These schools didnt do widespreadscreening testing. THey didnt do widespread ventilation changes. THey simply had universal masking. THey had very high compliance with that. We had substudies in several districts, which showed a Compliance Rate greater than 90 in the Mainstream Curriculum and were getting ready to submit that for publication here, laterthis month. But, yeah, the primary intervention, masking. Do you know what it would be without a mask . I mean, what what if a child with covid came to a location with covid but no mask, do you have a sense of how whAt The the likelihood of transmission would be . Sure. The best Data Points that we have, thus far, are in israel, back in 2020, where it was approximately 13 to 16 of the children and adults were infected in a week, without masking. And then, in North Carolina and in missouri, weve had a couple of School Districts open up with going with a voluntarymasking policy. And those School Districts have gone four or five days. And through a combination, partly the drama around quarantines, and partly because of infections that are occurring in schools, tHeyre going back to a masking policy. With the Delta Variant, its harder to know because we have so limited experience. But i would say, well over 10 . You also looked At The risk of transmission in sports and extracurricular activities. What what did you find . So, sports and extracurricular activities in High School and in middle school. Thats where somewhere between 50 and 75 of the Withinschool Transmission is going to occur. If you have universal masking in place. And the implications for that are thAt The extracurriculars, partly because of the intimacy of athletics or chorus or the arts or theater. The intimacy of those interactions between children, and the subsequent, kind of, leaks in mask compliance, if you will, result in a greater risk of infection in that setting. And the implications for that are thats an area where the School Districts really can encourage and motivate children to vaccinate. And tHey can do so by policies where tHey say, okay, if you want to participate in football, thats great. Vaccinate. Or have regular testing done because you and your teammates and your opponents are at higher risk. Having test done a couple of times a week. Just finally, um, and you may not have looked At This. But just from from what you what you believe or what you know, if some parents are, obviously, facing a situation where there is not a Mask Mandate in the school. THey want their child to be masked. But tHey are worried about, you know, No One Else in the class being masked. Is it, still do you do you in your opinion, effective for a child for their own selfprotection to be masked if the other kids in the class are not . No, its not sufficient. What parents want to do, in that situation, it helps a little bit, probably, to put the mask on ones own child. The big things to push for is to make sure thAt The schools are being ethical, as it relates to quarantine policy. Transparent, in their communication around whos exposed. Communicating to parents, if their children are exposed. And communicating, publicly, the number of infections in the children thAt THeyre harming by that policy. Dr. Benjamin, appreciate it. Really fascinating. Thank you. Just ahead, another major, legal decision about whether democrats can see the formerpresident s Tax Returns. Details on what democrats may, finally, see, when we continue. Oh, focaccia ah, theres no place like panera. Enjoy the toasty, saucy Chipotle Chicken Avocado melt on freshly baked bread. Panera. Order on the app today. Okay people. Oh yeah. Let us begin. People less with the puns. More about the moms. THey want healthy, affordable options. Moms want to save that dough. 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Major legal decision that may put at least some of the former president s Tax Returns in the hands of democratic investigators in the house. Something the former president and his lawyers have tried to prevent, for years. A federal judge says tHey should be allowed access to those and other financial records, while investigating possible violations of the Emoluments Clause, which forbids foreign payments to a president. In this case, concerning the hotel on federal property in d. C. And i am quoting from the judge now. The committee has presented detailed and substantial evidence that president trump, at least through his business interests, likely received foreign payments during the term of his presidency. So it was not a complete victory, though, for democrats on the oversight committee. The judge citing a supreme Court Decision on this case said tHey were only allowed Tax Records for while the former president was in office. Not stretching back to 2011, as tHeyd subpoenaed. Both sides suggesting tHey may appeal. A separate committee is also pursuing these records. Eight years of which were obtained by the manhattan d. A. s office, earlier this year. Want to get perspective now from norm eisen, former counsel to House Democrats during the first impeachment and a cnn legal analyst. And also, timothy obrien, author of trump nation, the art of being the donald. So, norm, you raised a red flag, early on, about the Emoluments Clause and the former president. You heard whAt The judge wrote. The what do you make of where this has landed . Of whAt The judge has, so far, decided . Anderson, thanks for having me back. I think its an important milestone on Holding Trump accountable. When you and i, first, started talking about emoluments, uh, in 20 early 2017 we didnt imagine it would take this long. But the rule of law, as slow as it is, is working. And theres no question thAt The constitution forbids a president from taking money from foreign governments, anderson. And now, finally, congress is gonna get ahold of his Tax Returns. Thats an issue for when hes president. And were going to see whAt The full extent of it was. I think were going to have some pretty shocking, further revelations about just how much he was getting from foreign governments. Tim, i mean, how Big A deal is this ruling, in your view . Because the judge said the House Cant see Tax Returns before he was president. Does that does that make a big difference, do you think . I mean, im glad that we got this. I i would disagree with my friend, norm, a little bit in in in regards to whether or not its a milestone because i just dont feel theres enough here. Theres a lot of arbitrary boundaries around this. The Judge Meta has said thAt That House Oversight can get trumps Tax Returns for 2017 and 2018 from his president ial tenure. But didnt allow them to see 2019 and to get 2020 when those are prepared. Thats perplexing, to me, if if Judge Meta was was restraining or or constraining their purview, in that regard. He is saying, though, tHey can go back and get financial records to 2013 on on the trump on Trumps Hotel in washington because that is possibly in excess of emoluments. A fancy 18thcentury Word for bribery. We know thAt There was a lot of Foot Traffic in that hotel from diplomats and lobbyists. Theres no question thAt The Trump Organization got foreign payments. The issue is whether or not that got tied to policy changes. But the larger issue here is we still dont have enough transparency into trumps finances. And theres, still, not a rule in place, legislatively, that will require Allfuture President s to have to disclose their Tax Returns. So, norm, is that what investigators would have to prove . That people giving money to the hotel, that it was linked to, then, political outcomes . Or or Administration Policy . Um, well, anderson, um, for congressional purposes, um, these two lines of inquiry thAt The court allowed. Um, the the broader inquiry in time, as to the old post office. And the questions about emoluments are important to passing legislation. So, for congressional purposes, these records would matter um we would want to show thAt The constitution was transgressed or thAt There were bad practices on the old post office. But, anderson, these are the same records. These trumps Tax Records while hes in office that prosecutors in New York are looking at. And we know there are issues of tax fraud, insurance fraud, bank fraud. The judge considered michael cohens testimony about trumps wrongdoing. Congress is now gonna get ahold of those. And with one set of charges, already, in place in New York. Possible, additional charges, as ive written, trumps at substantial risk. And now, Congress Closing in. I think thats a big deal. We could see more revelations of the kinds of two sets of Books Fraud that got mr. Weisselberg in trouble, so far. And thats just starting. Tim, where do what what is the next step here . I mean, in terms of, you know, based on what you know about the former president , your dealings with him, how much do you think this matters to him . And if it does, is it because Theres Something there to hide . Or just the, you know, nobody likes to have their, you know, laundry, dirty or not, looked at in public . It matters to him, deeply, because his Tax Returns would not only indicate how robust his business actually is. It would, also, indicate how much money he had coming in from overseas, and possibly who some of his partners were overseas. And this is one of the great, unanswered questions of his administration. To what extent did his interactions with Vladimir Putin or other dictators, how much were those informed by his desire to pad his own wallet . I think this disclosure gets towards that. And he knows it. And theres theres relationships hes had, in his past, that hes concerned about. Donald trump consorted with members of Organized Crime in Atlantic City and in the New York real estate market. There is a lot of dirt there, that he doesnt want to expose. Doesnt want to be exposed. And i think if he wasnt concerned about those things, he would have freely given these documents up, as he promised to do many times and didnt. Tim obrien, norm eisen, appreciate it. Thank. Coming up next, the Infrastructure Bill made it through the senate. Can it survive the house . The fight between moderates and progressives within the democratic party, ahead. Shingles . Camera man yeah, 1 out of 3 people get shingles in their lifetime. Well that leaves 2 out of 3 People Who dont. I dont know anybody whos had it. Your uncle had shingles. You mean that nasty red rash . And donna next door had it for weeks. 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If that sounds familiar, it should a day after the senate achieved something if couldnt under four years of the previous president , the bill once again faces a tenuous course, this time in the house. And a Price Tag that House Moderates have even balked at. So to a key moderate in the senate, Joe Manchin, whose vote is critical for final passage, today, he called the 3. 5 trillion resolution, quote, simply irresponsible. In the house, unresolved issues have led to a delicate dance about which bill comes for a vote, first, with moderates demanding passage of the bipartisanInfrastructure Bill before considering the far larger budget resolution. Progressives, meanwhile, say it has to be the other way around. Joined now by the chair of the progressive congressional caucus, congresswoman pramila jayapal. 3. 5 trillion is certainly a lot. Yeah, thank you, anderson, for having me on. And what i would say is that we are delivering on the vision that president biden laid out, when he introduced the jobs and families plan, back in january or february. This is what we promised to the american people. Its investments in roads and bridges. Its childcare. Its paid leave. Its free community college. Its healthcare. These are critical pieces, that we need to deliver on because americans want not just their roads and bridges, tHey want childcare so tHey can get back to work. So this is weve always seen them as, you know, together. These two things have to go together. We would, of course, loved if it were just one, big package but we are going to deliver them, both, together, to the president. What about what about 3. 5, again, trillion is a lot of money. What about some level of compromise . I mean, if you need the democratic moderates, most notably Manchin And Kyrsten sinema . Well, you need every single vote. I mean, in the house, we have a fourvote majority. And so, you know, the the reality is Joe Manchins vote is important, and every one of our progressive members votes is important. And so, this is gonna be a time where we have to come together to pass the president s agenda. And let me just be clear, 3. 5 is not just a number that was pulled out, randomly. It is actually what we need, if we are going to deliver on these priorities. And remember, anderson, were not talking about all the tax, you know, the the the taxfairness pieces that are going to be in this package, at The End, which generate enormous amounts of money from the wealthiest individuals and biggest corporations to pay for these investments in Working Families lives, so thAt THey can wake up and have a better future. Are you concerned about the level of Trust Or Lack of trust between the progressive and moderate wings of the democratic party . Because cnns reporting that moderateHouse Democrats are considering withholding their support for the budget reconciliation measure, unless Speaker Pelosi brings the senates bipartisan Infrastructure Bill up for a vote, first. She said, in a move to reassure progressives that she wont consider the instruck shir bill, unless senate democrats push through the reconciliation spending package. Im not concerned about trust, i am just concerned about momentum and making sure we deliver everything, together. There are going to be things in the bipartisan bill that progressives dont like. There are going to be things in the Reconciliation Bill, that moderates dont like. But listen. Were a big team. We ran on, and won, the house, the senate, and the White House on a vision that got laid out through the jobs and families plan. These two are are integrally intertwined. We cant create jobs, anderson, and then stop women from being able to come back and obtain those jobs. But some democrats that you have to deal with. Joe manchin, kyrsten sinema. Are in states that are actually Donald Trump was very popular in. And obviously, Joe Manchin has realpolitical considerations about how far he can move to the the left or out of the center of the democratic party. Well, the greAt Thing about every single thing we are talking about in this Reconciliation Bill and the jobs and families plan. It is unbelievably popular, including with trump republicans. People want childcare, tHey want paid leave. THey want healthcare. These are critical things that make their lives better. Whether youre in west virginia, florida, or washington state. But tHeyre not so popular with all republicans, otherwise tHey would have been in the other the other bill, which had more bipartisan which, you know, clearly had enough bipartisan support to pass in in the senate. Well, i Cant Speak for the republicans cause not a single republican voted for the american rescue plan, which is one of the most popular bills that we have ever passed in recent history. It delivered money in peoples pockets, shots in arms. Im not sure there are a lot of republicans that are looking out for their constituents interests. But listen, we are happy with the bipartisan bill. We are going to deliver on what democrats said wed deliver, and were going to deliver on president bidens agenda. Congresswoman jayapal, i really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you anderson. Ahead, another Gop Lawmaker in trouble for spreading Covid Misinformation on social media. The question is will the Punishment Matter in the fight to stop the spread of misinformation . Thats next. As someone who resembles Someone Else. I appreciate that Liberty Mutual knows everyones unique. Thats why tHey customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. 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Claiming vaccines are failing. By this time next weekend, both will have access. Neither of them are charged with being spreaders of false information. Sullivan is with me now. What Rand Paul said was about Cloth Masks being not effective . Thats right, anderson. We heard there was that Marjory Taylor Green was saying that vaccines are failing whereas Rand Paul was suggesting that Cloth Masks were not working. What happened was tHey both got a Sevenday Suspension from these platforms, but of course, you know, this is barely scratching the surface of the real problem. This will get headlines. It will get attention. The platforms also say tHey are cracking Down On Covid Misinformation. But we know many of the super spreaders of misinformation about this virus are still on these platforms and are still out there spreading, you know, very dangerous misinformation about the vaccine and about the virus and of course these temporary suspensions can actually work out well for republicans. THey can fund raise off of it. THey can say this is a case of Silicon Valleys bias against them rather than Silicon Valley cracking Down On dangerous covid information. Youre in South Dakota. Youve talked to trump supporters about misinformation. What are you hearing . Yeah, thats right. One thing that is quite striking, anderson, is even though trump, you know, rightly can take some credit for this vaccine, many, many of his supporters, People Who follow him, will literally almost do anything for him, love the guy, for them the vaccine is a red line. Have a listen. Have you been vaccinated . No. Why not . Not going to. Any particularly reason. God gave us natural immunities. Why would you want to interfere . Youre an older man than i am. Youre probably in the youre in the risk category. Well, who come up with that . The scientists and the doctors. Who told them to say that . Its the trump vaccine. The doctors, the scientists. It aint a trump vaccine. He did it to please everybody that put the pressure on him. He got the shot himself. Who said . He got fixed up. He got the shot. In january. I dont think he got the shot. I think he got some stuff to make him better. And i think this is really telling, anderson, right, because i think this is an example of the Base Sort of controlling trump, trump has been very, very quiet about the vaccine in many ways. You know, even we didnt learn that he got the vaccine until well after hed left the White House, because i think he knows that by pushing this vaccine, by encouraging his supporters to get it, that he could alienate that base. We are here in South Dakota and we were speaking to that gentleman at a Threeday Event by the my Pillow Ceo mike lindell. Who has come to South Dakota to try to prove his so far baseless claims thAt The election was hacked by china and stolen from trump. 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