99. 5 of deaths from covid19 are monday unvaccinated individuals. The Warning Signals were alarming but also didnt really give us enough time to adequately keep up. Get vaccinated. Youre less likely to get sick and wind up in the hospital. Social Media Platforms and other Tech Platforms are seeing a rampant spread of disinformation and its costing people their lives. Whats your message to platforms like facebook . Theyre killing people. The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. Im Pamela Brown in washington. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and Around The World. You are in the Cnn Newsroom on this saturday. Any hope you may have. A carefree, covidfree summer is likely history. Cases are on the rise in all 50 states. The pace of vaccinations is down. And a frustrated dr. Anthony fauci blames rampant misinformation for the lack. If we had had the pushback for vaccines the way were seeing on certain media, i dont think it would have been possible at all to not only eradicate smallpox, we probably would still have smallpox and we probably would still have polio in this country if we had the kind of false information thats being spread now. If we had that back decades ago, i would be certain that we would still have polio in this country. Take that in. Meantime, canada has not had the same access to vaccines as the u. S. But it now has a higher percentage of its population fully vaccinated. And as for how this pandemic got started in the first place, ive learned that several senior biden administration officials, including the president s national Security Adviser, believe its just as possible that coronavirus escaped from a lab in wouluhan, china, as the possibility that it emerged naturally in the wild. Ill have more on that in just a few minutes. But lets go to Los Angeles County where masks are making a comeback. At midnight, an indoor Mask Requirement goes back into effect for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. This comes after more than 1,900 new cases were reported yesterday alone. Back in midjune, daily cases were around 200. Cnns Paul Vercammen joins me from l. A. Paul, youve been talking to people there. People were so happy to see these mask mandates end. How are they reacting now . Reporter well, its mixed right now. How will this play out . Will it be sort of status quo, go with the flow, or more high drama . What better place to talking about it than here in pattys. Look at those head shots, were in the shadow of the Tv And Movie studios. The sheriff jumped onstage again, he issued a statement saying he will not enforce the mask mandate, instead asked for voluntary compliance and will focus elsewhere. When you talk to people, its very mixed. At one table alone, the husband, vaccinated, the wife not. I think its good. I think it protects people. I think anything to protect people, and i dont mind the Incoin Con Convenience of doing it. Most of the time im outdoors anyway. When i go into a market, i put the mask on, ive got it in my Back Pocket and we go from there. I dont like anything thats mandated. I havent seen the evidence to show that it protects you, the virus is so small. Show me the science. Not just what people you know, what the media says. I think if you have cold symptoms, any kind of symptoms, you should be honest and wear a mask to protect others. Reporter so here inside the restaurant, the employees wear their mask. The owner mandated this for them even without this rule thats going into effect. But then the People Tonight will have masks inside. When you look right outside, they will not be required to wear masks. This is very much a case, pam, of people here in Los Angeles County, trying to sort out this now revamped mandate. Reporting from los angeles, im Paul Vercammen, back to you. Theyve got that going on there, the cdc still says if youre vaccinated, it doesnt recommend wearing a mask indoors, but with these cases rising, with so many people unvaccinated, we could be seeing more of this. Well have to wait and see. Paul vercammen, thank you so much for that. Joining me with more is dr. William schaffner, professor of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University medical center. Dr. Schaffner, nice to see you. Do you share dr. Faucis belief that we would still be battling Smallpox And Polio if we had had the same level of disinformation around when we were fighting those diseases . I think dr. Fauci had a great insight. You know, at the time when we were vaccinating against smallpox, children and adults all came forward to be vaccinated. When Polio Virus vaccine first was available, the line stretched down the block, of parents and children coming in to be vaccinated. And there was not this kind of Pushback And Grousing and hesitancy and concern. And we would still have measles. We would have tetanus. We have german measles. We would have mumps. All these illnesses have disappeared because we universally have vaccinated our children and as adults, have come forward to be vaccinated. We can get covid virus under control. But we all have to come in together and do this. We all have to roll up our sleeves and get that shot. Just to put this into perspective a little bit more, if you saw the unvaccinated rate for these other diseases from years ago, polio, measles, and so forth, what would life be like now, if there was the same amount of Disinformation And Hesitancy to get the vaccine on these other serious diseases, how would our life be different now . I just want to put that in perspective. Well, just let me give you a local example. We have a wonderful, large, modern childrens hospital. Vanderbilt used to be a leader years ago in the care of a certain disease. And we had a ward dedicated to it. But when we built the new hospital, we dont have to put in that ward. Why not . Because it was the polio ward. We have no more polio. We dont have to do that anymore. And the doctors and the nurses, the technicians, can devote themselves to the care of children with other diseases. We eliminated polio. We could profoundly reduce covid if everyone were vaccinated. Given the reality of the situation right now, do more states or counties need to bring back mask mandates like were seeing in l. A. . Well, whats happening is, local Health Authorities are looking at their local circumstances. If they see transmission increasing with more cases, more hospitalizations, here and there, theyre going to ask people to put back on their masks and go into much more serious social distancing. Those decisions will be made at a local level. Should the cdc reconsider its Mask Guidance for vaccinated people indoors . I mean, this guidance is across the board, but given the high unvaccinated rate in parts of the country, do you think that guidance should be amended . I think the cdc is looking at this literally on a daily basis and watching it closely. Im not going to make a recommendation to the cdc, sitting here. But theyre watching this very closely, and cases are going up around the country. Quick question on what we should do if were vaccinated, given all these Breakthrough Cases were seeing. We just saw it with these texas lawmakers visiting washington, they tested positive for covid even though theyve been vaccinated. How routinely should we be getting tested if were vaccinated and should we quarantine if were showing symptoms and were vaccinated . Sure. Remember, the vaccines are keeping people out of the hospital with serious disease. Were reducing the likelihood of transmission. But we cant get It Down to zero. Even vaccinated people, and remember, vaccines are 95 effective, even vaccinated people could still get mild cases. If you develop symptoms, please get tested, and yes, if youre positive, stay home. Right. Thats important advice, especially so many parents like myself are wondering about this because i have two young children under the age of 12 who arent eligible for a vaccine. I think a lot of parents are just wondering what do we do. Dr. William schaffner, thank you for helping us with the guidance that we need. Thanks so much. Thank you. And this just in from texas. Dozens of people who went to escape the heat at a Water Park instead needed Decontamination Showers after a chemical leak. At least 34 people have minor irritation on their skin or problems with their breathing. This is happening at the six Flags Hurricane Harbor Splash Town near houston. The fire Marshals Office says the incident is confined to one attraction at that park. Temperatures there today are in the 90s. And still ahead on this saturday, new details in the search for the origin of the coronavirus. As my cnn colleagues and i learned, several senior biden administration officials now believe the Lab Leak Theory is as credible as the idea that the virus emerged from nature. Plus ill talk to an Arkansas Nurse on a mission to get more people vaccinated after her own mother passed away from the virus. Her message to people who havent gotten the shot. And days after meeting with the Vice President and Members Of Congress, a group of texas democratic lawmakers face a covid scare, as i mentioned earlier. Ill talk to one of them coming up in the show. Plus is there any future for the Republican Party that does not include former President Trump . This week, the House Minority Leader sat down with the former president again. Formula Gop Congressman Deborah Riggleman will join me live to talk about it, coming up. Stay with us. When you have an irregular heartbeat, its more. Its dignity. 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Its the simple act of enjoying time with friends, knowing you understand your glucose levels. For the United States of america, i christen thee John Lewis. May god bless this ship and all who sail in her. [ applause ] and with that, the late congressman John Lewis name will go on, one year after the civil rights icons death. Actress and Activist Alfre Woodard krichristened the u. S. Y ship. Lewis helped lead the 1965 Selma March where he was nearly beaten to death by state troopers. President biden urged congress to pass the John Lewis voting act. The chaos within the Republican Party, driven by its De Facto leader donald trump, continues to overshadow its future. Former Congressman Denver Riggleman of virginia, thanks for coming on. Theres so much to discuss. I want to start with the most powerful republican in the house, that would be of course Minority Leader kevin mccarthy, once again meeting with former President Trump. What many would call kissing the ring. He says theyre talking about fundraising, special elections, and targeting vulnerable democrats. Yet they met just hours after that explosive tellall about trump that came out by these two Washington Post reporters. They say the joint Chiefs Chairman feared trump would attempt a coup after losing and that he saw parallels between trumps lies about the Election And Rhetoric from hitler. How much more can republicans simply ignore in the name of staying on trumps good side because its good for them politically . I think its really difficult to ignore because i think theyre looking at polling and fundraising. When i was in the rcc, people were saying, these arent doing very well, you should hit these messaging points. In my district, there are still some people believing in stop The Steal and antivaxx pushback and things like that. But when you look at the fundraising, kevin as a political calculation has to go to marble or bedminster, wherever the former president is, he has to go there because thats how theyll win these districts. Looking at these r plus five, r plus ten districts and above, this is where they think the message is. With the fundraising, with the polling, the excitement in the republican base, theyre making that political calculation that will carry them to the midterms in 2022. By supporting trump and his message that the election was stolen which we know wasnt true and other lies, isnt that also then endorsing those lies by supporting him . Yes. You know, when you look at stop The Steal, you think about co Sp Conspiracy theories, stop The Steal is sort of any nesting Beh Election Integrity as a cover term. I think people believe it, they think the election was actually stolen. If you go to my district in the fifth, you go there in certain counties, youll see well more than half who believe the election was stolen. They believe theres some type of Socialist Takeover Happening right now. That sort of hyperbolic messaging is working for the gop. Say you were still in office and you wanted to stay in office, stay in power, as a republican i would be s. O. L. Right now. How would you be able to do that and deal with constituents who are overwhelmingly supporting trump and this lie . How do you do that . Youve got to remember, ive only been out six months. When we were going through this, i remember people saying, listen, you are a traitor, you are evil, right . You have turned your back on god, things like that. And, you know, its just very interesting to me that when i would go into some of these meetings, i would meet with people, i would tell them the truth, the facts. Listen, i had to brief generals. Ive been yelled at a lot, my wife yells at me a lot, im used to it. You have to be unafraid to spout facts on a level, with a smile, maybe politely confrontational, but if youre that fearful, if youre career is that important where facts dont matter anymore, i really dont have a whole lot to say to you politically. And i think me not having a political background, pam, allowed me to spout facts when i had to. But it hurt me. And people have to not be afraid to lose if were going to push republicans forward after 2024. I think the gop is really strong through 2024, i think youll see a slide after 28. Right now people are afraid to spout facts because theyll lose their primaries, its that simple. Lets talk about the evolution, misinformation around the big lie, now were seeing misinformation around vaccines. It seems to be divided politically, right . You look at the number of people who are still unvaxed and how its split politically between democrats and republicans, you look at how many republicans believe the election lie. What do you make that have . Pam, not only is it we talk about stop The Steal being baked in, i think this antivaxx message is baked in. I think its good against evil, apocalyptic theory, that socialism is being injected, no pun intended, into the populace. I think when youre looking at social media, this digital virus is exacerbating the real virus. Thats what scares the hell out of me. If im losing friends and family over this in a way thats not i would say its not delicate, right . Its forceful. And you have individuals that arent afraid to spout this type of nonsense for money or grift, if people are looking at this as a money making venture, its working. I tell people theres a follow the Money Element to this, an evangelical element to this, Theres Nsa and fbi looking at everybodys files, people who dont understand how this works. You get this umbrella of crap that youre throwing at the wall. Some people think its chocolate. Thats a scary thing for people. Thats the issue i have. Its so interesting hear dr. Schaffner say, people were lining up to get the polio vaccine, the measles vaccine. The only difference between then and now, really, is the misinformation on the internet that is so easily accessible. But you mentioned that you personally have dealt with this. Youve had Family Members and friends who have different points of view, should we say. What has your experience been . Initially i thought it would be sort of something where we could have that discussion, over a beer, over a whiskey, over a coffee, i could have that discussion, i could say, hey, heres the facts, heres the data. What happens is its immediately emotional and ive turned against the family, im a traitor to the country, im being paid by george soros, im a democratic operative, im a secret democrat, i was always sort of a Trojan Horse that was going to the Republican Party, i was trying to change the Sexual Orientation of children. I mean, and those things, im a pedophile because im against qanon. What do i have hidden in my closet . How grotesque is that . This this pushback i get. Its not like, oh, its okay, denver, we just dont agree with you. Its, youre going to hell. I take a drink and, i dont know, i hope not. And if i do, well, its going to be hot. You Cant Reason with them, is what youre saying. Yes. And when you have that religious bent to it, and i was raised very religiously, somebody said that god will heal me. Im like, isnt science from god . That makes people angry. I have to be incredibly careful how i actually sort of present these arguments because if you use too much humor they feel like youre mocking them. If youre too forceful, they want to fight. Its finding the compassionate way to do it. My friends and family, its been pretty brutal. You lose sleep, with close Family Members its almost shocking. Its like Somebody Throat punches you every day when that happens. Im sorry youve had to go through that for standing up for facts and reality. Former Congressman Denver Riggleman, good to see you here in person, appreciate it. More than a year and a half later, we still dont know how the coronavirus started. But senior Biden Officials believe the Lab Leak Theory is as credible as the natural explanation. That story, next. Ancestry helped me learn more about the man behind the medal. He was a father to two young daughters. He was a scout and he knew the land better than anyone. He came from italy with nothing for a new life. 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Ive learned along with my team members, colleagues here at cnn, this senior Biden Officials including national Security Adviser Jake Sullivan now believe that the theory the virus accidentally leaked out from a lab is just as credible as the theory that it was transmitted through nature. This is a jawdropping reversal, frankly, from a year ago when many democrats scoffed at the Lab Leak Theory as the former president was politicizing the virus, former President Trump. I want to bring back dr. William schaffner, professor at Vanderbilt University medical Center Division of Infectious Diseases and josh rogan, senior political analyst and Washington Post columnist. Josh is the author of chaos under heaven. Thank you, gentlemen, for coming on the show to discuss this. Dr. Schaffner, lets start with you. This afternoon on cnn, we heard from dr. Anthony fauci, the nations point man on the pandemic. Here is what he had to say. Lets listen. I together with many highly qualified vaccinologists virologists, i mean, in a paper by renowned virologists from All Over The World indicate that although we keep an open mind that it could be a lab likeak, that the most likely explanation is a natural evolution from an m animal reservoir to a human. Dr. Schaffner, what are your thoughts . We dont have definitive information. I tilt on the natural Evolution Side of the equation. But, you know, its really annoying that the chinese government has kept much of this information secret. It doesnt allow a complete international investigation of this. You have to wonder what it is, if anything, theyre hiding. And that casts a pall of suspicion over this. We dont know definitively. Like dr. Fauci, my mind is open, i would like more information. Josh, when you look back, how much this has been politicized, right . I mean, democrats largely downplayed, even dismissed the Lab Leak Theory. Then you had President Trump and other republicans embracing it. Of course there was a conflation, right . There is a difference between having a sample in a lab accidentally leaking out versus engineering something. How much did politics in your view contaminate such an important discussion . It was politics and confusion and a lot of other things that caused us to get into these things about the Lab Leak Theory. The Lab Leak Theory is not a political or even a scientific question, its a forensic question. Thats why your reporting from inside the biden administration was so important, pamela, because theyre looking at more than what dr. Schaffner and Anthony Fauci are looking at. Theyre looking at not just the virus. Theyre looking at intercepts, intelligence, data, the parts of the lab that they didnt tell us about, the research they were doing that they didnt tell us about. So they have a larger body of information than any of us are dealing with. And if theyre looking at that larger body of information and theyre saying, hey, kind of looks like the Lab Leak Theory is getting more and more credible, we should take that seriously, because that means that, you know, whatever you thought last year, more information keeps coming in. Well have to wait to see what they come out with in 90 days and well have to continue the investigation after that and press the chinese for access. What dr. Fauci just said, for every 21 scientists that lean toward the natural origin, i can find you 21 scientists that lean toward the lab leak, amongst them robert redfield, the head of the cdc, David Baltimore who won a nobel prize. Scientists totally disagree with this. And i respect dr. Schaffners opinion but he doesnt have the information that Jake Sullivan has. We dont have it. So well have to let the investigation play out. To my mind, it seems like if you really do have an open mind, that you dont say, i think its the natural origin theory, the truth is we dont know. I could make a circumstantial argument in either direction, if were being honest. You just have to say we dont know. Let me ask you, dr. Schaffner, and i want you to respond to what josh has said, but isnt it true that this could have been a sample taken from a bat and brought to the lab and accidentally leaked out and you wouldnt be able to determine that just through science alone . Sure. Thats exactly right. And thats why we have to consider the other option. I said i was leaning toward the natural origin. Its happened twice before, with sars and mers, so we know these viruses do that. There are a whole host of other viruses that have come from the Animal Kingdom to us. Hiv, for example. Influenza does it all the time. Zika, west nile virus. So this has happened many times before. You know, the most common things occur most frequently. So yes, im inclined to think it was a natural event. But i do have an open mind and we need the investigation. If there is more information, bring it forward, please. And i think thats a key point, because what i hear from you, dr. Schaffner, is that science alone will not be able to solve this mystery for us, right . Of course not. We need a complete investigation on the ground. And that laboratory ought to be opening its doors, all of its records, to an accredited international body. They evaded that when the World Health Organization sent a team in. And that made all of us, as i said before, and im sure josh agrees with this, that that makes you suspicious, theyre hiding something. And our sources, josh, in the biden administration, who were part of this 90day review, say that china has not been any more cooperative during the review. What more do you think the biden administration needs to be doing to push china on this . It is so important. Were still experiencing this pandemic. I think its a great question, because on the one hand, the biden people are saying to you and to me and to other people, hey, it probably might be the lab. On the other hand theyre not really doing everything they need to do to check that out. In other words theyre not putting any pressure on the chinese government to actually let us into the lab and let us do the real investigation. W. H. O. Spent a year trying to be nice to the chinese government, trying to ask them politely. It didnt work. Now the biden administration is going to say, lets let the w. H. O. Try again. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I say we should sanctions the labs, all the chinese labs until they let us in. If they dont let us in, we shouldnt be collaborating with labs that have zero transparency, zero accountability during a crisis. This is a pandemic that affects the whole world. To dr. Schaffners point, you know, its not as if theyre covering up the market, right . Weve looked at 80,000 animals that came into the market. We never found one, zero animals connected to the outbreak. Theyre covering up the lab. And theyre not going to let us in unless we really bring our pressure to bear. Then we have to look into our own labs, we have to look into our own research. That includes nih, niaid, u. S. Aid. Thats what congress is trying to do. Thats what, frankly, dr. Fauci is resisting. There is a reason that dr. Fauci is leaning towards the natural origin because if it turns out to be the lab theory, then all of our collaboration with the Wuhan Labs should be called into question and we should be raising Biosafety Standards rather than looking at wet markets all over china. Dr. Fauci is resisting, youre saying hes not turning over documentation thats being asked for . Mostly republicans, thats why he can avoid doing this, showing us documents of all the work, everything you know whats going on in these Wuhan Labs. They havent done it. They need to do it. The biden administration needs to release the intelligence it has. 90 days of a secret investigation is not going to crack this. This is an ongoing problem. Theres no statute of limitation on 3 Million deaths. People Around The World who are suffering want to know how we got into this mess. Thats going to require a lot more transparency from the chinese government, from the biden administration, from dr. Fauci. Thats what congress is pushing for. Thats whats needed if we have any hope of getting to the bottom of this. As weve said from the beginning, we just dont know how covid originated. Dr. William schaffner, josh rogan, thank you both, interesting discussion. More to come on Cnn Newsroom. 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And another reason he said, essentially it never was passed by the United States congress. There wasnt a formal rule making period for daca. He postponed a ruling until it goes through the appeals process. The president responded in a statement saying he was deeply disappointed, he indicated theyre going to start a rule making process for daca. He said the administration will appeal, also indicating that congress needs to get started on a permanent fix for the 636,000 people in the program. President barack obama, as you mentioned at the top, also weighed in on this. Of course, this program started back in 2012 under obamas watch. He said its well past time for the Congress To Act. One interesting note, it was just about a year and one month ago that the United States supreme court essentially threw out all of the Trump Era challenges to daca. But here we go again. Once again, 636,000 people now in limbo over their status. Back to you. All right, Joe Johns, live for us from the White House, thanks, joe. The chummy days between the white House And Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg are long gone after the president accused the company of killing people with vaccine misinformation. You bring your best. Well block the threats. Cyberprotection for every one. Malwarebytes President Biden says facebook has blood on its hands. Theyre killing people. I mean, look. The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. And theyre killing people. The White House is insisting the social Media Platform is not doing enough to stop the spread of covid misinformation. Within Hours Facebook issued an extraordinary response, saying the fact is that more than 2 Billion people have viewed and today, the company accused the president of scapegoating facebook, quote, President Bidens goal was for 70 of americans to be vaccinated by july 4th. Facebook is not the reason this goal was missed. Joining me now are New York Times tech reporters Cecelia Congress and shelia frankel. They are the authors of a new book, The Ugly Truth inside Facebooks Battle for domination. So you both know the Facebook World very well. Talking to so many different sources for this book. How does this episode between the white House And Facebook compare to your reporting on facebooks handling of misinformation . Listening to that statement just now by facebook, i was really struck by how similar it is to what we document in the book. Which is that when facebook is in its own way attacked, when it has negative pr or articles it doesnt like, it likes to deflect attention. Its a pattern that we show again and again throughout this book. And that statement about how many people have seen positive information about vaccines or the pandemic is interesting, but it doesnt tell us how many people have seen misinformation. How many people have been exposed to those who are antivaccine. Right. I also found the statement striking. It was very defensive in its tone about biden missing his goal and by the way, we dont know how much the goal was missed, frankly. We dont know how much of a Role Misinformation played in that. But why have facebooks efforts to curb the spread of domestic misinformation have been so successful to date . This statement comes after very, very frustrating talks for months between the white House And Facebook. So the tension is so strong right now. One of the reasons why facebook has so much trouble with misinformation, spreading it, is because its hard for them to police the amount of content that courses through the platform every single day. The volume is just so high. They rely actually on machine learning, which is just not smart enough to catch a lot of this misinformation. And they rely on people to report problems. The volume of misinformation is so strong, and facebook has been able to take some of It Down, but the White House is just absolutely not enough. Its sort of like compared to a game of wlak a mole. And in the book, you write about how Facebooks Business decisions backfired, writing, by pushing people into groups, facebook had made it possible for fringe movements, including militias and conspiracy theorists to organize and recruit followers on the site. Even when facebook took the step of instituting an outright ban, many could slip through the cracks with deadly consequences. So why did facebook promote this Group Platform and does It Help explain this wave of Conspiracy Theories we see today . Absolutely. And i think facebooks own data really shows that. When facebook made the decision to push people into groups, they described it as taking the conversation from a public square into a private living room. The problem is that in those private living rooms, you were surrounded by likeminded people, which were often pushing these really conspiratorial ideas. When that sort of strategic shift happened, we saw a group not just of conspiracies like the antivaccine movement, but also, i would note, Qanon Grew hugely. This is a rightwing Conspiratorial Movement that believes that theres a global cabal of elites that are pushing a certain type of ideology. We have seen a number of incredibly damaging conspiracies grow since facebook started pushing people into those small groups. I want to also bring up russia, cecelia. Facebook has admitted that Russia Interference in the 2020 election but yet it seems to be unwilling to work with the White House in finding a solution to misinformation on its platform. Why is that . Well, facebook actually does not did not prioritize their own sort of Security Findings that they had been finding for months, by the way, before they became public. Before facebook brought them to the public. They were prioritizing growth. And thats really what the crux of our book is trying to show people, how did facebook get to even this point today, where the president says that facebook is leading to deaths. And a lot of that is because theyre not prioritizing the right things. They werent throughout its history. It was always growth first and engaging on the Website And Building this large advertising model. And our book shows you why these decisions were priorities and how the leaders were really behind these Human Decisions that put growth first. Right. And help us understand a little bit more about how much facebook dragged its feet on the russian Disinformation Campaign during the 2020 election and how much does it recognize its role in facilitating that and facilitating the current Information Campaigns out there right now about the vaccine. Absolutely. I mean, when we were reporting for this book ourselves, i think we were shocked at how much we uncovered in terms of facebook Executives Kind of Hearing Warnings from their employees over and over again, about how much they were finding on Russias Involvement in the 2016 elections. And making the decision not to go public until almost a year later, October 2017 is when facebook finally decides to tell the public what they know. And we document in this book for months ahead of that, they were filing internal reports, they were starting to find russian ads and still not disclosing how much russia had done during the platform. And just, cecelia, back to the question of sort of taking responsibility. I mean, you cant improve a situation, theoretically, unless you take responsibility, recognize what you did wrong and apply solutions moving forward. How much do the executives at facebook feel responsibility for russian misinformation and the current misInformation Campaigns were seeing spread on facebook now. I think there is definitely a recognition that there were problems and mistakes made. There were mistakes made. One really important thing to remember, and we really showed this in our book, is that the power lies in many ways with one individual. And thats the ceo, mark zuckerberg. Hes making and he has made the most consequential decisions when it comes to misinformation and speech. And particularly speech by politicians, including the former president donald trump. And so when it comes to responsibility, although the question really needs to be posed to one particular individual, and thats mark zuckerberg. All right. Cecelia congress, sheera frankel, thank you so much. Look forward to reading your book. Thank you. After months of seeing coronavirus cases fall, they are now rising in all 50 states. 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