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Plane back here on the earths surface any moment. Joining us now to discuss from New Mexico is cnn Innovation And Space correspondent rachel crane. Rachel, the astronauts have just touched down after the historic Virgin Galactic flight. Sum It Up for us. Reporter thats right, jake. Im just a few hundreds yards away from unity right now. Hopefully well see Richard Branson and hear his emotion and what this experience was like, after he took his historic Space Flight for him and his team. Everyone has been pegging this as the Billionaire Space Race. Today Richard Branson they got to where they wanted to go. It was a sub orbital flight. Richard branson passed the 50mile Mark and will receive his Astronaut Wings. Thats a ceremony well see in a few moments, him and two additional Mission Specialists on board. Theyll be receiving their Astronaut Wings today. Blue origin, their direct competitor in the subOrbital Space, theyre set to make their first cruewed flight on July 20th. I wanted to point out Blue Origin has brand goals. Theyre interested in going to the moon and beyond. Yes, while in the sub Orbital Space theyre direct competitors. Thats where this whole Billionaire Space Race idea comes from. They are very different companies. So what Virgin Galactic achieved here today is nothing short of extraordinary. Space enthusiasts around the world, including everyone at Blue Origin is, as you said, Breathing A Sigh of relief that branson and his team safely landed on the ground. Also the Aerospace Community more broadly. This is about pushing the boundaries of Space Exploration and opening the frontier for the rest of us. Only a little over 500 people have ever experienced Space Travel, have gone to space at all. Thats what theyre trying to achieve here, is to really open up the heavens, Democratize Space and this Space Flight of sir Richard Branson is a major milestone forward. Its important to remember this is still a test flight. The company said they have two more additional ones before they start commercial operations in early 2022. Thats when theyll spend the 600 passengers who have spent 200,000 a ticket. I dont know if you can see me, the Space Plane is pulling in right behind me. Richard Ban Son will make a major announcement once he exits the vehicle. Were all very eager to hear what he has to say. Certainly, theres going to be a lot of emotion from him and his team. Theres people speaking right now. Chris hatfelt is speaking right now, a former astronaut from the canadian space agency. He was the astronaut that went viral for singing Ground Control to major tom. Im sorry. Im blanking on the exact name of the song. You know the one im thinking of, jake. Any moment well be seeing the astronauts and hearing directly from them about their experience. Shortly thereafter, there will be a Press Conference and ill be getting a oneonone, hearing what this journey was like for him. Song Space Oddity by james bowie. Thank you. You got me. Thank you so much, rachel. Miles obrien, let me get your reaction to this historic moment . Lets put it into some perspective, jake. Its not the first suborbital flight. We did that 60 years ago with alan shepherd, not the first with a private astronaut. Mike melville did that in 2004 flying spaceship 1. Richard branson, of course, bought that Technology Right after that team won the X Prize in 2004. Richard branson really isnt technically an astronaut. He wasnt driving the bus, so to speak. But he did attain an altitude, and more importantly to the larger picture of space, brought a lot of attention to this idea of sort of democratizing this latest front tear, this manifest destiny. Where do we go now . Lets think about going to space, and lets make it more widely available. Nasa was never going to get us here. It required some audacious and some might say eccentric, in some cases, billionaires to get us there. Who else is going to put down the money to get us there . The hope is it gets cheaper and more accessible as time goes on. Right now its billionaires having some fun. Maybe soon it will be millionaires. Maybe some day down the road, we all get to go. Kristin fisher, let me bring you in. What does this moment mean for the future of Space Travel, not just democratizing it, but also filling in some of the holes that perhaps need to be filled by the fact that countries are not at least with the same enthusiasm as in the past pursuing Space Exploration. Reporter i think mailings was miles was spot on. Nasa was never going to do what Virgin Galactic just did and what Jeff Bezos will do in two days, which is taking paying customers and sending them up into orbit. I know there are Folks Wringing their hands, that were talking about these billionaires and rich people going into space. Thats how big things happen and change is made. If you look back to the beginning of flight, airplanes traveling in the sky, it was rich people that started doing that first. Then it became more readily available to the masses. I understand the frustration, but this is the beginning of, as you said, the democratizization of space. Boy, that was a textbook test flight. Im standing literally in the desert. The Runway Right over my shoulder. The reason you do it in the desert ask in Case Something happens. This is exactly the same kind of setup well see on July 20th when Jeff Bezos attempts to launch on his new Shepherd Spacecraft. The big difference here, this is the fourth crewed flight of Spaceship 2. Jeff bezos, thats going to be the very first time that a person has actually been on board the new Shepherd Spacecraft and ridden it into space. A key distinction, Jeff Bezos quick to point out a few other distinctions. The Bottom Line today, Richard Branson fulfilling his dream of becoming an astronaut and the en en entire Virgin Galactic team, working through tragedies and deaths and financial hardships to get to this point today. We were talking that some may view this as a Publicity Stunt or one big commercial. But its also incredibly inspiring to so many people. So this really is the start of something new, and what an exciting time to be covering space. Jake . Miles, let me ask you a question. For decades really, skeptics of nasa would be told about all the technologies that were being developed for Space Travel that could benefit those of us on earth. What does this achieve, what branson is doing, beyond theoretically the future democratization of Space Travel . I guess what im saying is, given the fact that Government Investments in Space Exploration you can see branson right now with members of his family getting off the craft. Well just keep watching that while we talk, miles. What im driving at is, in the past we were told when nasa requested money, all the technological advances for Space Travel by the u. S. Government meant advances for all of us down here on earth, whether that meant satellites or whatever, that there were tangible benefits. For this chapter of Space Exploration, what is there besides democratizing Space Travel . Its the tang and Space Food sticks and teflon argument. If we go to space, were going to have better ways to cook or whatever. Youre not going to see a lot of that with this, frankly. What were doing is taking technology in some respects is pretty tried and true here, and applying it in a way that makes it more cost effective, repeatable, reusable and, thus, ultimately more affordable. Imagine if every time you flew an airliner you had to throw it away. Thats what we were doing with the Space Shuttle which was supposed to be reusable. Big parts were thrown away. It was very expensive. Elon musk has proven that Mon Musk can be taken to a higher level. Something like this gets you to the cusp of space. Youre not going to take this craft ever into orbit. So it has certain limitations. You could imagine, jake, suborbital hops between New York and tokyo. We talk about supersonic flight. This would far exceed that as far as speed. Maybe its a more palatable way to do it when you consider the Sonic Booms and the environmental consequences. Its not so much a Technology Push as it is a Marketing Push and public Acceptance Push which goes back to your original point, the democratization of space is what were seeing. Miles, kristin and rachel, stick around. Well have more. Were expecting to hear from Richard Branson. Well squeeze in a quick break. Well be right back. My credit. I needed just one simple way to pay it all off. It was an easy decision to apply with sofi loans, just based on the Interest Rate and how much i would be saving. 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One of the things thats worth pointing out is the bezos approach, the Blue Origin approach, does have a crew escape system. In other words, the capsule can be fired away from the rocket stack. If something goes wrong as theyre flying toward the edge of space. So there is a level of safety there that, frankly, isnt available in the Virgin Galactic flight which doesnt have a crew escape system. Beyond that, i think the other thing thats worth pointing out here is the Pr Panache of Richard Branson is absolutely galactic, right . Its unsurpassed. Bezos doesnt quite have those chops. Hes operated, for one thing, incredibly stealthily, and he doesnt have the natural affinity to, where Branson Goes draws a crowd. I remember, jake, back in 2005 in New York, branson showed up at a news conference. There were 70 cameras there. I counted them. All they did was lift the curtain and reveal a Scale Model of the craft you just saw flying. I thought, wow, this guy is good. He really doesnt have anything. Yet he can really get the media talking about him. So bezos, i suspect, will be a much lower key deal. Kristin fisher, you saw Richard Branson smiling, his Family Members running to hug him on the tarmac. What does this moment mean to him . Reporter i dont think a smile could get any bigger than the one we just saw on Richard Bransons face than when he ran out and hugged his grandkids. On a personal level, hes achieved a lifelong dream. But on a professional one, too, he helped steer this company through some tough times. One of the very first things he did was trademark the name years ago, Virgin Galactic. He had a vision for what this company could be. In just a few months, now that it has the faa has authorized Virgin Galactic to begin commercial operations, Virgin Galactic has said, hey, after todays test flight, theyre going to do two more Test Flights and then open this Up To all of the paying customers in early 2022. So thats when keep in mind there are about 600 or 700 people who put down deposits for these seats which cost between 200 and 250,000. Could go up more after todays successful flight. Theyve been waiting years to cash in on that deposit. Well see that start to happen in 2022. If youre Richard Branson, you have to be pleased about this flawless test flight. Im very curious to hear what Elon Musk had to say. He actually spent the morning with Richard Branson before they launched. They tweeted out a picture of the two of them. But nothing quite yet from Jeff Bezos. He wished Elon Musk well yesterday, wished him a safe and successful flight. One other thing, jake, Richard Branson was just congratulated by the head of the space force, general jay raymond. He had congratulations on a flawless test flight. This is something that, yes, this is a commercial space enterprise, but this is something that is cheered on by the entire Space Industry including nasa, including the u. S. Military and even all the way up at the head of the space force. Jake. Miles, i know you were supposed to go to Outer Space years ago. Would you be willing to make the Passenger Trip on Virgin Galactic . In a heartbeat. Ive got to say, jake, this is going to sound like sour grapes. I worked for years at cnn to negotiate a deal with nasa and had the russians involved. I was going to fly on the shuttle and spend ten days or so at the international Space Station. Wouldnt that have been an amazing reporting assignment. The idea of five minutes in zero G Kind of pales by parison. I wouldnt turn it down. When you think about it, jake, how many beats do we cover as reporters that you cant go to the location . We go to war zones. We embed with people all over the place. We go to the far reaches of the planet, but no reporter except for one japanese reporter who went to Space Station mirra in the 80s, but he was sick the whole time, didnt do much reporting. We send engineers up there. Frankly, theyre operating from the other side of the brain. We need to send poets and writers and journalists. Now that were seeing this happening, maybe this is opening up the door. Lets hope so. I hope you get that trip. Kristin, they traveled at the speed of sound, this craft. Did you hear the Sonic Booms on the ground where you are . What were you able to see . Reporter oh, yeah. We could really see it all. The first thing We Saw was Spaceship 2 separating from the Mother Ship. You could actually see Spaceship 2 as it rocked up into space. Imagine what those now astronauts were feeling, just the g forces on your chest as you rocket completely vertical at three times the speed of sound. Then we could actually hear Spaceship 2, the sonic boom from Spaceship 2 as it reentered the earths atmosphere. Then you could see the glorious landing. It was a corkscrew as it slowed down, as it made its way right here down into the desert, landing on the same runway it took off from about 90 minutes prior. This is what paying customers are going to get to experience on Virgin Galactics suborbital flights very soon. Elon musk and spacex, they are entirely focused on orbital Space Flights. In just a few months they are planning on sending the first crew of private astronauts to the international Space Station to conduct research and whatnot. This is only open to the most wealthy of paying customers. Hopefully those prices will come down at some point. The other thing, jake, that im thinking about, today we spend so much time tourism, it sounds so fun, like a joy ride. A lot of these astronauts dont love the name tourist. They prefer to be called an astronaut at this point in time. This is all happening at a time when space is becoming an increasingly contested environment. You have the creation of the u. S. Space force here in the united states and increasingly you have countries, u. S. Adversaries like china and russia, becoming increasingly aggressive in Outer Space and threatening u. S. Satellites which are needed for everyday War Fighting here on earth. Its all coming together in really just the year 2021 after years of not a ton of focus on space. It is really entering the public consciousness in a very big way, jake. Kristin, thank you so much. Well have more from the site of the Space Launch as it comes in. And coming up, im going to talk to dr. Fauci about the Delta Variant of the coronavirus and what it means for you. Stay with us. Well be right back. That really takes care of both our Teeth Sensitivity as well as our gum issues. Theres no question its something that i would recommend. I dont hydrate like everyone else. Because im not everyone else. They drink what theyre told to drink. I drink what helps Me Rehydrate and recover pedialyte® sport. Because it works. And so do i. 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With the Delta Variant now the dominant strain in the united states, were seeing covid Case Numbers heading in the wrong direction in areas with low vaccination rates and for those who arent vaccinated, new confusion about Booster Shots with Vaccine Company Pfizer raising questions about how quickly americans may need a third Booster Shot as the fda and the cdc say not yet. Joining me now, the president s chief medical adviser on the covid19 pandemic, dr. Anthony fauci. Dr. Fauci, thanks for joining us. I want to start with this new reporting from Reuters Today that israel, the government of israel, is beginning to administer pfizer boosters. Third shots to people they consider vulnerable. Here in the united states the Cdc And Fda say we do not need Booster Shots. Do you think boosters could theoretically help vulnerable people . Well, certainly they theoretically could. What the Cdc And Fda were saying is that right now, given the data and the information we have, we do not need to give people a third shot, a boost, superimposed upon the two doses you get with the mrna and the one dose you get with j j. But that doesnt mean we stop there. They continue i mean, there are studies being done now ongoing as we speak about looking at the feasibility about if and when we should be boosting people. So this Isnt Something that we say, no, we dont need a boost right now. The story is ended forever. Theres a lot of work going on to examine this in real time to see if we might need a boost. But right now given the data that the cdc and the fda has, they dont feel that we need to tell people right now you need to be boosted. And as you know, pfizer disagrees. Pfizer is recommending a booster, a third shot. I wonder, are you worried at all that if the Cdc And Fda change their recommendations and boosters do become recommended in a few months, that some americans will see this as some demagogues in the media in politics will portray this as another flipflop and it will undercut trust in the Fda And Cdc . Well, jake, you have a very good point there. Inevitably, something like that will happen. I think what people need to understand, and its really important to understand that, that when you have an organization like the cdc and the fda that are responsible for the regulatory components of what we do, as well as the Public Health, when they make a formal recommendation, it has to be based on data Thats Evidence that proves we need to go in this direction. Before you get that data, there will always be people, wellmeaning people and wellmeaning companies will say, you know, the way we look at the situation, it looks like you might need a booster so lets go ahead and give a booster. But thats not a formal recommendation. I mean, even individual physicians, we know some physicians right now that are saying, i want to take the extra step, go the extra mile with someone who might actually have a lower level of immunity. Those are the things that are out there, but if youre looking at formal recommendations from organizations, its always based on data. And as weve said so many times, jake, data evolves. You get more information as the time goes by. So when you get to the point where you have enough information to make a firm recommendation, that is not flipflopping. That is making recommendations as the data evolve. And i know sometimes its difficult to understand that, but thats what happens when you get formal recommendations from organizations like the cdc and like the fda. The cdc used to track what are called Breakthrough Infections. Thats fully vaccinated individuals who have been infected with coronavirus. They used to track it. Now they have stopped. Theyre only tracking Breakthrough Cases that result in hospitalization or death. Does it not seem premature to stop tracking all Breakthrough Cases given the fact that theres this even more contagious Delta Variant, not to mention the questions about boosters . Shouldnt the cdc just continue to track Breakthrough Infections . And they will be doing that, jake. You make a very good point. One of the important issues, and you didnt ask this, but it is important to emphasize, that the vaccines that we have now, even when you have Breakthrough Infections, the protection against severe disease, hospitalization that might ultimately lead to death, is still very, very high in effectiveness, well into the 90s. Even though you do get these breakthrough the question that youre asking is a great One And Youll be seeing much more testing being done. This is being very actively discussed right now. The number of new cases in the u. S. Has almost doubled now from its lowest point, Up To 19,000 new cases a day from about 10,000 new cases a day last month. The Delta Variant is causing more than half of new infections. We know the u. S. Has more than enough vaccines for everybody who is eligible. Why are we not able to stop this . What is the problem with getting as many people as possible vaccinated to stop this pandemic in the united states . You know, jake, its an inexplicable pushing back on the part of some people about getting vaccinated. I heard it when you were talking just a while ago to the congressman about the idea of people saying you have government is knocking on your door trying to force you to vaccinate. That is not the case at all. Were getting trusted messages to try and get people to understand and appreciate why its important for their own safety, for that of their families and for the community in general. Theres no reason not to get vaccinated. You make a very good point. There are places in the world, many places, where the Vaccination Availability is practically nil. Those people would do anything to get a vaccine. We in the united states have enough vaccinations to give to everybody in the country. And theyre lifesaving. Weve got to put aside this ideological difference or differences thinking that somebody is forcing you to do something. The Public Health officials, like myself and my colleagues, are asking you to do something that will ultimately save your life and that of your family and that of the community. So, jake, i dont know. I really dont have a good explanation, jake, about why this is happening. I mean, its ideological rigidity, i think. Theres no reason not to get vaccinated. Why are we having Red States and places in the south that are very highly ideological in one way not wanting to get vaccinations . Vaccinations have nothing to do with politics. Its a Public Health issue. It doesnt matter who you are. The virus doesnt know whether youre a democrat, a republican or an independent. For sure, we know that. And yet there is that divide of lets go back to New Mexico where Richard Branson is speaking on stage. An enormous thank you to our incredible spaceship pilots. And to our Mother Ship pilots. I think they must i dont know where they are. If theyre here, they should come and join us on stage. Anyway, beth, collin and sirisha, if you didnt know who they were. Anyway, thanks to All Of You for being here at Space Port america. Its hot. Thank you for standing out here. The Space Port is the most stunning building. You come in the morning and see this thing emerging from the desert. I think it could be one of the ten wonders of the world. So awesome to arrive on a bicycle across this beautiful New Mexico countryside. Thank you, thank you to New Mexico for hosting us, for building this, for everything. Khalid, thank you for performing. Hello. Where is his lovely wife . Come up. Come on. Right. Hes had quite a month. This beautiful new baby will be born this month, and this beautiful baby was born a couple years ago. Thank you for letting him come with us. I would also like to thank my wonderful, beautiful wife joan who is hopefully here somewhere. Weve been lucky enough to have been together where is she for 45 wonderful, wonderful years, and weve been very blessed. We have holly and sam here, our grandchildren, and pretty well everything lots of friends. Thad in england. Well get you out here some day. Love you lots, All Of You. I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to every single person who has believed in Virgin Galactic, the team who have worked so hard to make this dream come true. Love you all. 17 years of painstaking work and the occasional horrible, down, but by and large, ups with it. Today was definitely the biggest up. Thank you All Of You. Love you all. So the Mission Statement i wrote inside my Space Suit was to turn the dream of Space Travel into a reality for my grandchildren who are here, for your grandchildren, and for many people who are alive today, for everybody, and having flown to space, i can see even more clearly how Virgin Galactic is the Space Line for us. Were here to make space more accessible to all. We want to turn the next generation of dreamers into the astronauts of today and tomorrow. Weve all us on this stage have had the most extraordinary experience, and wed love it if a number of you can have it, too. With that in mind, i have some news. Today Virgin Galactic is thrilled to announce weve partnered with amaze to open space for everyone. If you go to amaze. Com space to enter, you have a chance to go to space. Youll be entered into the amaze sweepstakes for the chance to win, not one, but two seats aboard one of the first commercial Virgin Galactic Space Flights. And with my Willy Wonka hat on, a guided tour by yours truly and i promise lots of chocolate in the factory. The exciting thing about this is, if enough people around the world participate, we can keep on the charity can keep on doing tickets for people. Its a lovely sort of selfpropelling way of just trying to get lots of people who couldnt have otherwise afforded to go to space to go to space. Just imagine a world where people of all ages, all backgrounds, any gender, any ethnicity, have Equal Access to space. And they will, in turn, inspire us back here on earth. If you ever had a dream, now is the time to make it come true. Id like to end by saying welcome to the dawn of a new space age. Thank you. [ applause ] were going to take a quick break. Well be right back. Im not always on my game. But lately, my uncle is, especially with his type 2 diabetes. With onceweekly trulicity most people reached an a1c under 7 . Plus it could help you lose Up To ten pounds. 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He has one person that he needs to impress and that is President Trump to be able to be successful to gain the nomination for the republican side of that ticket. I believe its his interest to design this kind of audit, false audit to make sure that he gains the support of President Trump in that way. Unfortunately, this is a suppress to impression kind of tactic. I think to your point, its destructive, enormously destructive. In many ways the call is coming from the house in terms of ways well destroy our democracy and the people in it. People need to believe in the sanctity of their vote. People need to believe their vote will count. This kind of opportunity to try to curry political influence is destructive to, not just pennsylvanians but the nation at large. Youre an Air Force veteran. President biden is disputing reports that the Intelligence Community concluded that the afghan government could fall within six months of the u. S. Withdrawal. You sit on the foreign affairs committee. You sit on the armed services committee. Based on what youve seen, how worried are you that the afghan government will fall . To be honest, i am worried. President biden has made a decision. The decision to withdraw has happened. We are where we are. Right now its our obligation to make sure were protecting civil Voes Site in afghanistan and we can do that through a number of ways, make sure were supporting the afghan defense forces through resources and money, shoring up vulnerable populations like women and children and make sure our State Department as well as usaid and unfpa are funded and well resourced to be able to support that very fragile society that exists right now. President biden says the u. S. Accomplished its goal which he defines as eliminating the Terrorist Threat in afghanistan. How long do you think afghanistan will no longer be a Safe Harbor for terrorists given the fact that u. S. Troops have left and the taliban is taking control . So frankly all over the world there are opportunities for Safe Harbor for terrorists, not just in afghanistan, but other parts of the world, africa and asia. We have our hands full of those kinds of opportunities. If its okay, id like to pivot over to the real importance of supporting those communities, women particularly. If were able to support the progress that weve made because of the decades weve been in afghanistan, to be able to make sure women continue to be a part of the solution, i think we have an opportunity to keep the afghan society safer. Women have been, in the last couple decades, involved in the release of hostages. Afghani women have helped release the negotiation of hostages and prisoners, involved in negotiation with insurgent leaders of the taliban. So even though i know people think why should we protect women and children in afghanistan, the reality is our country is safer, the world is safer when women are engaged in the solutions and in society. Obviously the safety of afghan women and girls is a top priority for you. I want to hear your response to thing that then president ial candidate Joe Biden said about this issue in an interview last year. Take a listen. I can think of ten countries where women and children are being persecuted and hurt. The idea of us being able to use our armed forces to solve every single internal problem that exists throughout the world is not within our capacity. But dont you bear some responsibility for the out. Com, if the taliban ends up back in control and women end up losing their rights . No i dont. What is your response . That is the now commanderinchief saying he bears no responsibility for what will happen to afghan women and girls if the taliban take over after he has withdrawn u. S. Troops . So i think that the united states is a leader in the world. I think its our obligation with our power, both soft and hard to be helpful to make sure we have an inclusive and equitable world. I think its in our national best interest to support civil societies that are inclusive and allow women to be a very large part of the society. We are indeed 51 of the population globally. I would say i think it is important through soft power, becausew we have withdrawn from afghanistan, that we are helpful in maintaining the Progress Weve made. Chrissy houlahan, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it. Thank you. More on Cnns Coverage of Richard Bransons historic Space Flight. Well be right back. But if youre a kid with diabetes, its more. Its the simple act of enjoying time with friends, knowing you understand your Glucose Levels. From Prom Dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less theyll miss. 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