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Then the armys only Combat Team made up of solely africanamerican soldiers. Their mission to float and then defend huge hydrogenfilled balloons from the beaches of normandy to protect american troops from air assaults. When 360s Gary Tuchman visited he and his Wife Ethyl at their home two years ago, his wife said his optimism served him well over the years. Among the many honors he received, it was the prestigious french legion of honor. He was 99 years old. We wish his family the best, and we thank him and them for their service. The news continues. Want to hand it over to chris for cucuomo prime time. Chris. Well said, anderson. The Trump Electeds in congress say they accept the Election Results but listen to what is passing for conservative think aT Cpac. Here, in texas, we stand with president trump. And in 2024, trumpism will rise, again. God bless you, president trump. The republican party, under great leaders like president trump, is being reborn for another, Beautiful Day in america across this country. President trump is, still, fighting forward because we believe that it should be easy to vote and hard to cheat. What was donald Trump Right about . Everything listen. Its okay to hug donald john trump, as tightly as he hugged the american flag aT Cpacs past to show him how much he loves the country. But the question and the concern is the other stuff. What are they trying to prove . Are they aware that pushing this same brand of Sickness Led to this, 6th'>January 6th . Thats why these people were so incensed. They believe the lies, that the election had been stolen. Now, heres a new look at those that trump told he loved, after they attacked the capitol. The Justice Department released this police bodycam video, today, that shows officers trying to save a protrump rioter. Who was trampled. And then, what happens to them . They get attacked, dragged down stairs, hit with crutches, flagpoles, batons. Is this what conservatives want to be about . Today, the doj said trumps big lie and reinstatementfantasy talk could fuel more violence. And yet, aT Cpac, the theme, which is america uncanceled, but it raises a question. Is it really about cancelling the truth . Seminars on how to collect evidence of fraud . What fraud . Heres another. Spare the fraud, spoil the child. Cpac. The conservative political action conference. Is it really, now, about pushing the big lie . Lets bring in the organizer, Matt Schlapp. Good to have him on prime time. Good to see ya. Good to see you, chris. So, matt, weve talked about this, before. But i didnt expect it to be this big aT Cpac. What is the thinking on going so strong at the idea that the election was a fraud . I mean, not even your own elected officials in congress agree with you. Well, chris, i think its very clear that in the states i was in after the election, including the state of nevada and the state of georgia, they did not check the signatures on mailedin ballots. Contrary to the law. And that should never happen in this country, again. Matter of fact, they saw some wrongdoing in new york city, in their elections, as well. And Theres Fraud in every election, since the gibeginningf time, including in america. And we ought to, all, agree, democrats and republicans, that nobody should vote whos not legally allowed to vote. And unfortunately, in the lastpresident ial election, because they didnt check those signatures, we had massive amounts of fraud. These are facts. And theyre undisputable. No, it is not a fact that there were large amounts of fraud. Ya had me, right up until there. Youve got People Chanting Hold On. Did they check the signatures . Did they check . But let me just push back on this. Go on. Did they check the signatures on mailedin ballots in georgia with the Secretary Of State said he would not verify and check those signatures and did they check in Clark County, the lea largest county in nevada . They did not. Your burden is different. Your burden is saying Hold On. Heres how you were wrong and i think you know this. My real question is going to come next, which is why you are doing this . But just to engage in this little bit for a second. Why am i on your show . Because you asked me. Im happy to be on. Appreciate it. I invited you because you are very relevant on the right side of the aisle. Cpac used to be the place where you would see where the head and the heart of the party were. And i just i cant believe theyre going to be wrapped around a lie. To say there was fraud doesnt mean, even if you are right, okay, on your own assertion. You didnt check all the boxes of what you were supposed to do. Im not saying youre right. And no court has said you were right. And all of the suggestions that you would prove this, over time, have never been met. But even if thats the case, thats not fraud. And it doesnt mean that the election was stolen. And yet, you have people aT Cpac chanting, trump won. The election was rigged. Do you really believe that . That trump won . I believe that what we should do in america is follow the rules on voting. And what the Secretary Of State did in the state of georgia, and he is a republican. Not my kind of republican. But he signed an illegal Consent Decree to not check and verify the signatures of people who voted by the mail. As you know, because of the coronavirus, we had historic levels of mailedin voting. Yes, i do. Because now, you are using the word fraud. No, youre using the word fraud. And cpac is using the word fraud. No. Not me. Im using the word you are using. Im speaking. Im speaking. Why dont you let me use words . What i am trying to tell you is that if you dont verify the signatures on mailedin ballots, especially when you had, in some cases, double the number of mailedin ballots, you are inviting fraud. And those ballots could be illegal votes. And thats why we verify voting, in this country. When democrats run against democrats. Most recently, in the city of new york city. They realized that they should verify each ballot. They found a lot of illegal ballots. The republicans, who ran the election in georgia, say they did it the right way. It was reviewed by courts. And it was chris, youre wrong. Held to stand. Of course, im not wrong. You just dont like how it went. Hold on. Again, matt. Let me get you to let me i will agree that the republicans in georgia screwed up. And they did a bad job with the election. Thats not what im suggesting. Im suggesting that they ran the election and they certified it. Should we follow the law should we follow the law on voting . Of course, everybody should follow the law. Assiduously. So, here is my big question. I have all the proof you need. Ask me any question you want. I have all the proof you need. Im sure youre going to have answers. Please, ask me the questions. Im sure youre going to have answers. I just dont think that you have proof. Theyre not facts. Facts are things that are established. Youre sugar im not sugarcoating anything. Did they check the votes . Did they check the signatures on the mailedin ballots in Clark County and in georgia . Yes or no . Said they followed the procedures, according to law. Every one of em said it and it was reviewed by a court. That is not right. And they found that it was viable. Im going to say this over and over, again. I know but im not going to let you because heres why. According to even a democratrun state, you had to check the signatures on all the mailedin ballots. Matt, you are using that argument. In Clark County, they did not. Why cant you acknowledge the fact that heres why. Heres why. They didnt check the signatures. Matt, heres why. I dont understand yes, sir. Why you are banking your conservative platform on this. You really believe youre just asking the questions. Im giving you answers. Maybe, the next presidency is by trying to create misgivings about the democracy . No, no, im not. Thats all you are talking about. Im just answering your questions, chris. Now, let me no, you asked all the questions. Now, lets stop. What is cpac about this year . Its about uncanceling america. Its about opening up schools. Its about opening up churches. Its about telling the federal government, you dont have the right to intervene on these questions. Its about, On Social Media, conservative voices should be accepted, just as liberal voices are accepted. We have a national media that distreats conservatives with Disdain But Socialmedia platforms that had this idea that All Of Us would have a voice. We should have that voice. You dont have a voice On Social Media . You can talk about this election. Chris, you can talk about this election, all you want. And youre on unsolid ground. I will answer any question you have. Unsolid ground . You dont have a single decision. You dont have a single State Official on your side. And theyre from your party. Lo look. Lets put that to the side. Just put it to the side. Do yourself a favor. I respect you but you are so wrong. You have not won on one, substantive case. You never get to substance. You never get to the substantive case because you never Hold On, matt you guys never got you guys never you guys never Hold On a second. Im sorry. Get out of my ear. You guys never get to the point of having any type of judge get to review it, because there is never the basis for a claim. Thats not right. Upon which they can make a determination. And you guys have used this to your advantage. But here my question is bigger than this. Its much bigger than this. Did you read Justice Scalito and what he said . Alito. Excuse me, justice alito. I know but i know why you would want to combine the two because he is trying to be like scalia, even though he is alito. Even though theyre both italian. There is nothing wrong with being italian. What i am saying is this. Im asking a different question. Chris, let me talk just for a minute because its your show. You ever been talking a lot, to be honest. But go ahead. Well, thats what being a guest is. You get to talk. Its a conversation. Two people talk in a conversation. Go ahead. Fair enough and i and i respect the fact that you have me on. But my point to you is the following, which is dont act like theres not a legitimate claim when you have an election thats one weve never had before with all these mailedin ballots. Dont act like its outrageous for republicans and conservatives, and people who like trump, to be un be really question this case of why didnt we vote the same way we voted in 2016, where everyone who voted by mail, you had to verify that you were a legal voter. In 2020, we simply didnt do that in these cities. But we should do that. Do you agree . We should do that. Of course, you should follow the rules. What i am saying is you are creating a boogieman. You know, and i know, that georgia looked at 10,000 ballots. They found ten signatures that didnt match. And then, they later found out that they were okay. The facts arent in your favor. What i dont get is thats not true. Why are you making a case to the american people that you know is based on a lie . Why are you making cpac about the big lie, and not all the other things you could argue . Cpac. The title and the theme of cpac is america uncanceled. But what are you cancelling . The truth . As an alternative . Is trying its a nice, little slight. Now, let me talk. The whole idea with cpac is this idea that the federal government came in and said, because of the pandemic, that we couldnt have churches open. We couldnt have schools open. There half of this country is outraged over the fact that our kids have fallen behind because the federal government said you couldnt open up. Then, On Social Media, All Of Us get cancelled. You dont get cancelled. The rest of us get cancelled all the time. You know it was State By state, right . You know each of these governors made their own determinations, right . Why are you making the government a boogieman . Why are you attacking institutions . I thought you guys were about bolstering the institutions. Why am i attacking the federal government, which told kids they didnt tell anybody anything. They should have told kids. Your the president , at the time, from your party, said let the states do it. Youll get no oversight. Youll get no guide. Guidance. Which made it sound like it would be unhealthy and unsafe for kids to go to school. Which, actually, said that it was it was it would make people sick to go to church. Where the governor, republican governor of maryland, said it would be a superspreader, if we had a cpac in maryland. So you know what we did . We went to florida and we went to texas. This nation is very divided. Superspreader events. They, still, do. You just had a camp, where the kids went to camp and they had 125 cases after it. Its not antireligion. But youre advocating for an abridgement of the first amendment because you were scared about a virus. We have the right to make those choices. It was State By state, matt. It was State By state. It was State By state. No state can abridge no state can abridge my firstamendment rights. But why are you saying the federal government . It was State By state. But why are you saying the federal government . They have nothing to do with it. Chris, it doesnt matter the level of government. Your Constitution Rights is let me explain this to you, one more time. Sure. You dont feel cancelled because you never are. We feel cancelled cause we constantly are. Now, youve youve broken the model because youve had me on cnn. People like me dont get on cnn, anymore. Matt, you are always welcome here to make the case because i want to understand. No, thats not true. Its not true. Im not welcome at cnn and you know that. Where are you right now . What do you think cnn is . The Cuomo News Network . You are on cnn right now, brother. I am trying to give you a compliment. Youre the only one who will have me on, periodically. Dont do that. Listen, matt, i got to jump. You are always welcome to make the case. Im always going to welcome you to make the case. But youre never cancelled. Have you ever been cancelled in your whole life On Social Media or national media . Have you ever been cancelled . Yes, i have. You dont know what its like. Matt, i have people coming after me, from the left and the right, 24 7. It is a dogeatdog world and i have Milk Bone Underwear on. Okay . But listen, you are always welcome here to make the case. I dont know what that means but its from cheers. Norm said it. Look it up. You will like it and use it. Matt schlapp, thank you for making the case. If i said that, i would have gotten cancelled. Okay, thank you. If you quoted anything correctly, id give you credit. I will tell you that right now. I will talk to you later. Oh, thats not too nice. I will see you next time. Byebye. All right. So, look, look, i believe in the conversation. I know some of you are going to be unsatisfied. In fact, i know a lot of you will. But i tell you what. Your biggest mistake is that you dont listen. You have conversations. You can talk over each other. You can do that. But keep the talk going. Because conservatives matter, in this country. Now, i dont know what theyre becoming. I dont get this biglie thing. Thats why i had him on. Conservatives are better than that. Well continue the talk. And it really is a quote from cheers. You can look it up. So, maga mindset. What does this mean . All right. Now, i want to bring in somebody, who is a mentor to me, in terms of the mentality as a broadcaster. All right . A student of the world, somebody who understands the dynamics that have shaped us, for decades. And who is, also, going to help us understand whats going to happen when we get to the olympics this year. Bob costas. What a treat. Next. This past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. Welcome back to the world. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Once again. Liberty mutual Customizes Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. How much money can liberty mutual save you . One two three four five 72,807 72,808. Dollars. Yep. Everything hurts. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Look. You know, you can feel any way you want. I fixed the ifb. About, oh, dont have those People On. I dont agree. I dont know what to tell you. I dont agree. You have to disagree with decency. You have to have the conversations. All right . Cpac matters. All right . Conservatives matter. Now, this year, i dont get it. I dont get embracing the big lie, this way. Conservatism could be about so much more. But its all about trump and not just trump. Its about the deception that trump just explained to you as disinformation. So, what does this mean about the direction of the country . We are going to get a great Twofer Tonight from the legendary journalist, bob costas. First, brother, always a pleasure. Thank you for being in my life. Well talk the political sport, and then well talk about olympics. Now, you heard the Matt Schlapp interview. I did. He knows that he doesnt have proof of what he suggests. He is personable and civil, and just as full of it as any Maga Cultist when it comes to what he is telling you. What does it tell you . I mean, look, we both grew up watching these things. The conservatives have had very established platforms about high principle and what they want. For them to be reduced to just the big lie. And cancel culture, ill give em. You know what i mean . They can they can campaign on that. Yeah. But on and there was fraud and there was fraud. What does that mean to you . Either either, you have cultists who really believe, despite all the evidence, that Donald Trump is the answer. Or you have people, cynical enough, to say, look, our base is devoted to him. So, our political future lies in aligning ourselves with that, as much as we possibly can. And if we wont go fullthroated, like some of the most extreme members of congress or people that are out there in maga media. If we wont go fullthroated, then well try to just slide past some of the stuff that we cant really rationalize. And change the subject to something else. The last time i was on with you, i made this point and i dont think im alone, in this. I think millions upon millions of moderates and people who think of themselves as left of center feel the same way. Wokeism and leftism are not the same thing as classic liberalism. They need to be called to account. They need to be opposed, even if some of it is what we might agree with. They need a thoughtful opposition. Maga world is not its many things it aint thoughtful. It does feel broken, doesnt it . I mean, we use it its like trite but true, these days. Everythings broken. Everythings broken. But having this system, where opposition is enough. Look. Nobody understands sport better than you. Right. You will never find another competition where its enough for you to win, as if i lose. Its all zero sum. Thats right. And thats what a Twoparty System gets you. Which is, if opposition is enough. Opposition is now a saleable position. Look. That is what they are trying to approximate with the big lie. Were against what happened in the election. Were against how its done. The question is where does this get us . I dont think it gets us anyplace good. Look. Leave aside leave lets accept the absurdity that whatever the flaws of the mainstream media are. Or whatever the flaws in omissions of cnn might be. Leave aside the notion that every single journalist, who is not right of center, is either corrupt or just spectacularly wrong. And just leave it to what trump showed us, himself. With his tweets, with his actions, with his biography prior to entering politics. And how do you explain away . Maybe, you could have one or two disgruntledformer employees. Somebody trying to sell a book. Of all the president s, in my lifetime, you dont have as many people who worked closely with that president , as have worked closely with trump. And then, have said how oblivious he is to facts. How unfit he is, temperamentally and and morally, to be the president of the united states. How do you account for that . Thats not Chris Cuomo or Don Lemon saying that. How do you account for the people, that uyou used to find T Cpac . How do you account for george will and Matt Stevens and se Cup And Peggy noonan . How do you account for those solid conservatives and republicans, who saw through this from the beginning . You know what their answer is. Their answer is everyone you just mentioned. Theyre a rhino. They are all right knows. They are all part of the machine. Elitist d. C. Mucketymucks. They they all made their money on the system and they want to keep it closed. They dont want an insurgent like trump. Im good with all that. Honestly. I think it is a debatable issue. Its an argument to have. Uhhuh. Um, they just picked the wrong change agent. And i think thats right. Thats why it had to get worse because they were never going to be able to bank on him, as being better. So what they had to do was now argue that everything is even worse than they thought. And thats what the big lie is. Well, look. Theyre theyre devoted to him. Hopelessly, devoted, as an oldsong lyric wepnt. And yet, what is his level of devotion to anyone, who is not 100 loyal to him . Exhibit a, mike pence. They call themselves patriots. Were trueamerican patriots, who tried to overthrow the election. Who tried. And its on tape. The Phone Call to election officials in georgia. Everywhere. All these things, that are preposterous, on their face. And yet, if you are a member of a cult, you are down the line with that cult. What could be more patriotic than anybody democrat, republican, independent encouraging everyone to get vaccinated . Its not a coincidence that the top20 states, in terms of percentage of citizens vaccinated, are all blue. Not because democrats are morally better or more intelligent than republicans. But because of the atmosphere that you are talking about and the top20 states, with the smallest percentage of citizens vaccinated, are all red. They all voted for trump. Trump Will Barge into Somebodys Wedding at maralago and go through his insane obsessions about how hes been mistreated and the election was stolen. But think of the good that Donald Trump could do if he asked for, and he received, from every network, ten minutes, halfanhour, of television time. And said, no matter where you are on the spectrum, please, get vaccinated. Its the best thing to do for yourself, for your family, and for your country. That would be the best thing Donald Trump ever did in his public life. Why wont he do it . Because he doesnt feel theres any benefit in it for him. Good point. Well see if he decides to answer it. Sometimes, he does in realtime. Not on twitter, anymore. You know whats going ob on twitter about me . Stick to sports. No way. But you asked me. No way. And look. I will tell you what. Its a good segue, though, because one of the things that used to bring this country together so much was when we would get to the olympics. Now, this year, you have covid. You have the headline theyre not going to have people there. People like cpac are going to argue thats about government trying to ruin our good time and there is other controversy there about testing. I want your take on it, brother. Thank you for being with us. Well take a quick break. Well come back with bob costas. Lets talk about what the olympics is going to be like this year. Is it better . Or worse . Next. You need an ecolab scientific clean here. And you need it here. And here. And here. 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They are responding to critics who blame them for shacarri richardsons ban from the tokyo olympics. Aoc and jamie raskin, two democrats, they called on the agency to reconsider Richardsons Suspension last week. They responded with a letter, quoting from it here. Usada does not make or have a direct vote on the antidoping rules but as a wada code signatory, we are required to enforce them. Thats called ducking the situation. Bob koscostas back, again. My third handshake in ten minutes. I dont know when i am going to see you again. So thats a hedge. It still takes you to the rules and whether or not it is correctly applied here. I think they could speak out more forcefully. They did say they think it should be reviewed but they should speak out, more forcefully, about how unfair and officious this rule is without applying Common Sense. But theyre right, in that they cant overturn the rules that apply to the olympics. So, who can . Lwada rules apply. So, Wada And Ioc would have to do it but the united states hasnt gotten upset about this. And in fact, they then took her off the whole team. This is whats interesting. She is suspended for a month but the 4by100 Relay one of the last events of the olympics doesnt take place until august 9th. That Sus Pepension would be ove. It would keep her from running her signature event, the 100 meters. But in theory, she could run on the 4by100 team. But technically, she didnt qualify because her time, her winning time, at the trials, was discounted because she tested positive for weed. Now, the way to look at this, i think, in an enlightened way is this. Lets say, im a Baseball Player and i bump an umpire. Its maybe, its a fivegame suspension, in the mind of the commissioner. But its on the eve of the playoffs. Or the world series. Very often in a situation like that, its, so, it will be served during the regular season. Because if its the playoffs or world series, the effect is disproportionate. The Ioc And Wada, themselves, make it clear this is a misdemeanor. Its only worth a month. Justin gatling got four years and missed the beijing olympics, americas top sprinter, because he tested positive for performance enhancer. Christian coleman is now sitting out two years, not because he tested positive but, because he avoided tests three times and they consider that circumstantial evidence. Those are serious offenses. And it cost them olympic appearances. So if this thing had happened in march, shes back running in april. It does it just doesnt blend any kind of Common Sense with the technical rule. Youre a lawyer. Suppose you were arguing your case, and the guy is charged with a misdemeanor. The judge is gonna sentence him to three years im sorry, three months. Seems like a fair sentence. But he says, you know what . My daughters getting married, in two weeks. The judge postpones the sentence. Its the right thing to do. The guys not going to run out and shoot somebody. You look at the case, for what its worth. Shacarri richardson should be allowed to take part in the olympics. And then, the the penalty should be served, subsequently. Is there any chance it gets reviewed or changed . And who would have to do it . The Ioc And Wada would have to do it. I dont see it happening. Them making the decision not to have fans. They have all these athletes, now, that they are putting out On Social Media who are saying, oh, it sucks im not going to have my family there or friends. Is this the right call . You have to say with such a small percentage of japanese citizens vaccinated and states of emergency throughout the country. And what their Health Experts are saying and political figures there are saying. It is the right move. I mean, this whole thing is looming as a disaster. Every olympics has cost overruns. Theyre in the billions and billions and covid is only making it worse. And they cant recoup much of it because theres no tourism. Theres no fans and and paying spectators. You think it will change it in a way that will make it like so much less than it would have been, otherwise . Yeah, atmospherics are part of sports. Think of even the nba, in the bubble. We watch the games. Some of them were very good games but they didnt have the atmosphere that you expect. The olympics are are about so much more than the competition. Which is central but its not the only thing. The atmosphere. The emotion. Family and friends. The reaction of spectators and countrymen. All of that will be missing. I know that my friends and colleagues at nbc will do a great job, and they have already made plans. Theyre going to have cameras and microphones in the homes of some of the american athletes, expected to do well. They will make the best of the situation. Ambient sound. Coaches and peripheral people miced up. But you just cant make something, into what its not and everybody watching will know that theres a pall over these games because of the way in which they are being held. So that diminishes the good feeling that we usually associate with an olympics. I i said to you, when i was on previously, that the ideal would be to postpone it till 2022 when, hopefully, circumstances would be better. That would be ideal. But there are other reasons, why they had to go ahead. There are contracts that have, already, been pushed back a year. The Olympic Village will be repurposed for housing or commercialreal estate. The venues for concerts and for othersporting events. The World Cup is next summer and, to much of the world, thats of greater interest than the olympics. And the World Track and field championships are in oregon at about the same time as the rescheduled olympics would be, next summer. And its not like youre missing some peripheral sport. Track and field is one of the Signature Events of the summer olympics. Athletes dont get paid, directly, to take part in the olympics. They do for the other events. At the World Track and field championships. So there were mitigating circumstances. I have never seen anybody undercut their own suggestion, as well as you just did. You said we should do it in 2022. I said that was the ideal. I was just i was trying to give them their due. And you did. Bob costas, you are a gift to the audience. Thank you for the brain food. I appreciate you. Four handshakes. Hey, i will take it. Its more handshakes than i got in a year during covid. I know. Thats why. I am trying to get them all in now. All right. So the boostershot thing. Look, i told you last night, right . That what was pfizer saying . What was the cdc saying . Now, everybodys saying its a debate. There is no debate but it is confusing. But this is the bigger question. Dont be distracted. If the vaccines work so well. If the data is so overwhelming, why arent they approved by the fda . Think about what that would do for a certain number, a significant number, of people who say emergency use, not for me. And im, certainly, not going to let my kids take it. Why not remove doubt about safety, if you can . A top doctor in the house, next. Trelegy for copd. Birds flyin high, you know how i feel. Breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. Its a new dawn. If youve been taking copd sitting down, its time to make a stand. Start a new day with trelegy. No oncedaily Copd Medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. With three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. It also helps prevent future flareups. Trelegy wont replace a Rescue Inhaler for sudden breathing problems. Tell your doctor if you have a Heart Condition or high Blood Pressure before taking it. Do not take trelegy more than prescribed. 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Now, just to be clear, that has always been the calculus or the consideration. Depending on how you want to look at it. Theyve always known that the vaccine will wear off. A lot . Just A Little Bit . They dont know. That has always been that way, since the beginning. Now, why do we care so much . The delta variant. How troubling is it . That we have experts that are worlds apart on this potential need for a vaccine. When you have this variant coming. And it is here. And its making a difference, already. Lets discuss and get deeper with dr. Ashish jha. Its good to have you. Thanks for having me back, chris. Boosters. I think we can dispense with this very fairly quickly. Give me your take on what the reality is and what it has always been. Has anything changed . Nothings changed, chris. The Bottom Line is we got to follow the evidence. The evidence says two shots work. Ive seen nothing that says people need a third shot. Until that time that we see the data, got to stay with the two shots. Nothing has changed. Vaccines do wane, over time. Yes . They do. They do. But, you know, there are vaccines that are long lived. They may wane a little over time. But five or ten years later, they are still protecting people. Lot of vaccines out there, like that. We dont know if this will be one of them but it might be. How confident are you in the data about these vaccines . Is. Well, im superconfident that these vaccines are incredibly protective. Again, including against the delta variant. And theyre very, very safe. And the best way i can prove that im confident, not only am i vaccinated. My kids are. My teenaged daughters are vaccinated. My wife is vaccinated. Everybody in my family is vaccinated. Then, why hasnt the fda approved it . Well, you know, look. This is a good question. And i have been kind of beating up on the fda, A Little Bit. Theyre theyre doing a thorough job. They i get it. It takes a while. But i dont want them to cut corners. And i dont think theyre going to. I think their data here is overwhelming and its clear. And theyve acknowledged as much. But it takes them a while to go through all of it, and kind of dot all the is and cross the ts and i wish they would move a little faster. It creates misgivings and the administration is compounding the problem by not speaking about the process. Am i right . Or am i wrong . Yeah. The problem. The one thing that the White House is trying to be careful of is not looking like they are meddling in the Fdas Business and i appreciate that, by the way, because we have aseen that happen before in other White Houses and thats not a good outcome. So the White House is trying to stay away from this and let the fda do its thing. And the fda is moving but i want them to move faster. Yeah. Its unsatisfying, though, doctor. This is inextremis. People arent getting vaccinated because politics is winning, over practicality. But one of the real obstacles that i am sure you hear about all the time is, you know, it is only emergencyuse authorization. And like, if Brown University came to you and said, you know, were going to mandate this. Theyd get pushback from families because it hasnt been approved, yet. That is a big variable, that we can control. And i get that you want it done right. But if the data is so overwhelming, whats taking so long . Yeah. Well, i will say the following, chris. So, Brown University did Mandate It for everybody and a lot of people said, whoa, can we do that without full approval . And the answer is we can and we have and lots of other people are, too. So companies that are waiting for that. You dont have to. You can do it now. But yeah, i agree with you full approval is going to help a lot. Yeah, makes it hard. Its easier to do it when you got Ashish Jha in your house. Makes it easy to have comfort on the vaccine but not everybody has that. Doctor, i appreciate you and thank you. Thank you, chris. You know, if you want to get away from this. Really, get away from everything. Theres so many different viruses, right . You got covid. You got the politics. You got everything going on. How about just blasting off to space . When you are a multibillionaire, like richard branson, you can. You can hitch a ride on your own rocket. Less than 48 hours from now, thats exactly what hes going to do. What is a Formertop Astronaut Make of the launch . Next. Hey google, turn up the heat. Whats on the horizon . The answers lie beyond the roads we know. We recognize that Energy Demand is growing, and the world needs lower Carbon Solutions to keep up. At chevron, were working to find new ways forward, like through our venture capital group. Backing technologies like electric vehicle charging, Carbon Capture and even nuclear fusion. We may not know just what lies ahead, but its only human. To search for it. Have you ever thought about going into space, richard . Id love to go into space. I think pretty well everybody watching this show would love to go to space. When you see the magnificent pictures in space and incredible views and i think there could be nothing nicer. Three decades since that moment and it is finally happening. Richard branson is blasting off to the edge of space aboard virgin Galactics Rocket powered plane sunday. If everything goes according to plan. The Spacecraft Vss Unity will take off from an Airplane Runway attached beneath the wing of a massive Mother Ship. How does it work . It gets to about 50,000 feet. The Mother Ship will then release unity, the Rocket Engines fire up, send this craft up into space like the Space Shuttle used to work three times faster than the speed of sound. The trip would make branson the first billionaire ever to travel to space aboard a vehicle he helped fund. Beaten bezos by just nine days. Love it or hate it . Why would you have a strong Feeling Either Way . This is what is happening. Commercializing Space Flight, good, bad . Lets ask an astronaut, captain Chris Cassidy, retired chief nasa astronaut. Good to have you, sir, and thank you for your service. Thank you. Glad to be with you tonight. What do you think, brother . Billionaires blasting into space. Everything about commercial Space Travel is exciting for people, which excites our nation and ultimately is good for the manned space program. I couldnt be more excited about it than i am. It all positive. What do you think about those who are criticizing it . All that money they should donate it to hunger or how come the rich get to go and Nobody Else . Do you make about those complaints . Those are valid arguments out of the year of covid when everyone is battling through financial troubles and getting back on step of where we were prior to that and there are things we can spend the money on to fix the broader issues as you elude to. I think that in some time in the future, ten years, 20 years, 50 years, Space Travel will be affordable for everyone. Right now, it is not. Its expensive but we got to start somewhere and does it need to be right now . Thats beyond my Pay Grade whether or not we spend government dollars to do that right now, but i think that now is a great time as any and just coming out of the Government World myself, i think its a great partnership this commercial and government space. Here is my concern. Safety. Going to space is hard, chief. You know this. The god forbid risks. Weve all watched them and you guys lived in fear of them. So many multiple redundancy and trading. Can the private sector do it . Do you have worries about this . Everybody involved in manned Space Flight has worries of safety. It goes to every Engineer And Astronaut regardless of your country. Ive flown in space with pretty much all of our international partners and taken to the same level of severity across the globe. Do i think it can be achieved in the same commercial world . Absolutely. Its bad to have a catastrophe on a launch. Neither company would be putting People On the rocket if they didnt think it was ready to be viewed live on cnn. Why do we need more attention on space . We touched on this from time to time there is something about the ambition and final frontier that seems that weve shied away from here on a national level. What does that mean to you . You know, i think people in general are explorers by our very nature. Humankind. And in space its just that. Were pushing the boundaries of knowledge and really, thats what Space Exploration is about. It creates jobs and Economy Ex there is Trade Offs on how you spend the money in any Government Budget Process but thats the beauty of how now commercial Space Flight is coming into play where it really is exciting and it really does get. We can go to space. But i cant keep Chris Cassidy on a Satellite Feed from a hotel room. 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