Republic. On behalf of Donald Trump to those overseeing Election Results in the states most populist county, maricopa, a county that President Biden won by about 45,000 votes. I want you to hear it again. By the way, the music underneath, that was part of the arizona republics online post. Hey, clint, its rudy giuliani. I was very happy to see that there is going to be a forensic audit of the machines and i really want to talk to you about it, all right . If you would give me a Call Back, i would really appreciate it. Thank you. Hey, clint, its Kelly Ward. I just talked to President Trump and he would like me to talk to you ask also see if he needs to give you a call to discuss whats happening on the ground in maricopa of the give me a Call Back when you can. Thanks, bye. So who is clint . Clint hickman at the time was the chair of the Board Of Supervisors in Maricopa County, a republican. He says he never returned those calls or ones from the white House Switchboard Operator with requests to Call Back former President Trump. And i want to give you the time frame of when these calls were made in relation to thaT Call that the thenpresident made to Georgias Secretary of state brad raffensperger, the infamous find me votes call. That was january 2nd. The Voice Mmail we just played u from Kelly Ward To Hickman was made back on november 13. So this Pressure Campaign on State Election officials began very soon after the vote. The Giuliani Call was made To Hickman on december 4, and the white House Switchboard calls, one on new years eve, another on January 3rd. Why is January 3rd especially significant . Its because the news broke of trumps call to raffensperger worldwide that day. That very same night, the White House was trying to get To Hickman, get him on the line for the president , a president desperate to stay in power. Pretty brazen stuff, right . So what exactly went through Hickmans Mind when he listened to those voicemails . I shall ask him. Clint hickman joins me now, and clint, i should begin by playing for you and reading for you what the trump Teams Response was to this developing story. This was a statement they gave to to us. Quote, its no surprise that election officials had no desire to look into significant irregularities during the election. They have refused to be open examine honest about the president ial election, Stonewalling A Forensic Audit for months, and are still hiding Voting Equipment and routers from auditors to this day. What do they have to hide . What is your response. Thank you, michael, for inviting me tonight. I would say all of our colleagues have done our best to be Up Front about the Maricopa County election, even while it was going through. I will take it back a little bit. We had three major elections during a pandemic year. I became chairman last january before this , so a year and a half ago. We were going to run three elections and when i had my chairman address, i never once said pandemic. We still had a preference election, a primary election and a general election. We learned quite a few things, but we had to change different processes that every single time we stayed within the guidelines of the Election Manual or the statutes themselves. I guess i could say i couldnt be prouder of how the county pulled off an election of over 2 Million people voting during a pandemic. So ever since, weve been talking, and weve been doing the best we can to calm the fears of voters on both sides of the aisle and continually finding that this election was run in a fair bipartisan and american way. The background is really significant, i think. According to the arizona republic, you were not a trump antagonist. To the contrary, you supported him, met him on an airport tarmac, even got a shoutout during one of those campaign rallies. So what was the Break Point . I was very proud of all that. I endorsed President Trump all the way through. Ive been a lifelong republican. My first president ial vote was for Ronald Reagan so many years ago. And i did the best i could and worked like every republican did for the top of their ticket. But the simple fact is i became an Election Authority this year, along with my colleagues. Yeah, it was nervewracking a little bit, but then, you know, i call this the election that never ends. We continue to talk about it so much almost every day. So were willing to talk about it. When news of the Raffensperger Call broke, what went through your mind . I said it to the arizona of republic. I was horrified. I listened to the Phone Call and i read the transcript and i thought, this is not what im used to. A month before that i told people that were close to the Trump Campaign with all this litigation that was going on, i said, just do me a favor. I Cant Talk to anyone while this is being litigated. And that stayed true all the way up till that new years weekend. I got a Phone Call from the white House Switchboard. All of these people thaT Called me, it wasnt stonewalling. We werent in litigation at all these points. It was getting hard to keep track of. I believe at one point there were eight cases being litigated and Maricopa County was finding themselves in the courtroom just at all times. So i wanted to make sure that i was not having conversations outside of that. Whatever needed to be said needed to be said in a courtroom in front of a judge or a jury, but we needed to get down to the bottom of it, and this is the same time Maricopa County was taking a look at our own people that worked the election. We had to ask some really tough questions of those people all the way through. Theyve been there the whole time. Came in, talked to us and told us everything. A quick final question. I guess there was an alternative and the alternative would be to do what georgia did, loosely described, and that is have the Conversation And Tape it. Did you ever give thought to that . Well, look, you know, people tell their grandchildren, this is the most powerful office and the most powerful man in the land, and it would have been great to have a conversation of a different type. But after seeing what was going on in georgia, as i said clearly, if im not willing to tape a president , im not willing to talk to a president. I was a chairman of a board that All Of Us had to make decisions on, and i did not want any of my colleagues thinking i was having Ex Parte communications at all to frame a vote. So thats why i avoided it and here we are. Clint hickman, Thank You so much for being here and telling your story. Thank you, michael. Appreciate the opportunity. Tomorrow marks six months since the attack on our capitol. In that time the Department Of Justice has arrested at least 500 people, yet House Minority Leader Kevin Mccarthy still not sure the five Members Hell put On The House Select Committee to investigate. That might be because one of the members of his caucus, Congressman Mo brooks, is spending his time in part in court from the role the White House had in planning to Congress Meeting directly with rudy giuliani. A Judge Today just denied Brooks Request to toss out a lawsuit by my next guest, representative eric swalwell. The congress has been so busy that he had to add chapters to his book called End Game on the impeachment of Donald Trump. E eric, tell me about what you just heard from the official. Clint hickman are the last people of our democracy. People like Clint Hickman Show Integrity to just do their job, to look for every legal vote, to count every legal vote and to certify the election, and they did, and thank god they did, because Donald Trump tested all of them. Worthy of underscoring, a Trump Supporter cast his ballot, received the nod on the tarmac and so forth, exaand yet when T Call came from the white House Switchboard, wouldnt take it. Michael, this just shows trump is only loyal to you as long as that helps Donald Trump. It reminds me also of the police, right . He held himself up as this person who honored the police in america, but as soon as it was the police that stood in the way of the mob that attacked the capitol, you cant find Donald Trump or any republicans, frankly, other than Liz Cheney and Adam Ken Inzinger to honor police. Its about his lust to stay in power. I read the lawsuit you filed against Donald Trump and others, including a colleague of yours, mo brooks, and i read Congressman Brooks response. What is the goal of that litigation . Accountability. I dont think we can hold Donald Trump and his enablers accountable enough. When history looks at what we did during the trump years and after, i think we will only be judged harshly if we dont press further to find the truth. So Donald Trump and mo brooks and don jr. And rudy, they sought to impede the congress from counting the electoral college votes, they traumatized myself and my colleagues, they unleashed a mob on the police who defended the capitol that day. So, michael, its really an effort to make sure that even postimpeachment and regardless what happens in the criminal trials that those actors are held accountable. Do you think you can satisfy the Causation Requirement . Very famously mo brooks talked about kicking ass and taking names. That language you cited in your complaint. When he responded, he said, well, there was context. In fact, i can put it on the screen as to what his response was to that part of the litigation. Lets be clear, regardless of todays outcome, the 2022 and 2024 elections are right around the corner. This is his quote from that speech, January 6. America does not need, cannot stand, cannot tolerate any more weakling, kourg, wimpy republican congressmen and senators who covet the power and the prestige the swamp has to offer, while grovling at the feet and the knees of their special Interest Group masters. As such, today is important in another way, Today Is The Day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. Meaning we take down their Names Today and start kicking their asses in the next election. Hes standing before a violent mob. Donald trump and his team had spent 15 Million in the 17 days before that event inviting people to come. Donald trump said that day was going to be wild, and he said if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore. So mo brooks knew who he was talking to, aimed that mob with Donald Trump and others right at the capitol. Ill leave it to the courts to litigate this, or the lawyers in the courts to decide, but i do believe its worthy of accountability. Okay, is your lawsuit plan b, meaning that if the official investigation, the House Investigation never gets off the ground or doesnt bear fruit that youll be out there as a private litigant hoping that you can take depositions and you can subpoena documents and so on and so forth, and maybe youll uncover what all went on on January 6 . Im filing my suit regardless of what anyone else does, but youre right, it may or may not turn out that way. Actually, after being an impeachment manager, i was all the more convinced that Donald Trump needed to be held accountable after reviewing hours of evidence in that case, michael. So, again, this is about accountability, and yes, if we survive the motion to dismiss, there will be depositions and whats called discovery, the ability to get information from the other side. But in the book i also lay down that as were living in realtime, this often feels surprising, but in many ways it was predictable. In the book i told the story about the day before we started the trial, an i. T. Help desk set up a Side Room for us right next to the senate. They gave us printers, copy machines. I asked for the Wifi Password and they told us it was under the name managers. I asked one of the assistants afterward, i said, im so surprised You Guys were able to get all this set up. We just impeached Donald Trump a few weeks ago. He looked at me and said, sir, w we were the same team that did the last impeachment, and to be honest, we left the infrastructure up because we figured you all would be back. So to them this was never surprising. Congressman swalwell, Thank You. 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Soon its going to be in the warmer waters of the Florida Straits and it will get back up to that 65 miles per hour. But going forward, as it lifts northward, the environment is not con do y do you say cond to become a hurricane. This cone of uncertainty did include miami early on. It has since moved. We do not have a hurricane watch, so thats good news. We still have some risks here. Heavy rainfall the greatest threat in areas of red. Along with that going Hand In hand, the Storm Surge has been increased now up to 5 feet. Im kind of concerned about the tampa, st. Peak, clearwater area. Last november tropical Storm Ada moved in. The same issues with the same Storm Surge. The tropical Storm Force winds are concentrated well some distance away, but the risk is not over with with the crews that are onsite right now, because the Feeder Bands Outside where it can sustain. Its going to brush the entire Gulf Coast area, but surfside still has a 70 probability, and it showed itself this afternoon. In about an hour, the center will be offshore and get into those warmer waters. Early this afternoon about 3 30, the band moved through. They had a severe Thunderstorm Warning and a tornado warning. Thats all it takes. These Feeder Bands are going to be moving in Tomorrow Morning, and when they move into this area in surfside and where the crews are working, they could have a water spout on shore. It verifies the demolition of the building they had last night. As this system moves further, theyre going to get a break. The worse for the crews will be Tomorrow Morning around maybe 2 00 or 3 00 in the afternoon. Its not only florida, its not only the carolinas. All the states up the East Coast to maine, the canadian maritime area. Its a long duration storm. The good news is its not a hurricane, but the risk is not over with for the crews at surfside. Theyll be watching it closely and so will we. Tom sader, Thank You for that report. The storm heading west seems to be a rare bit of good news for the people in surfside, florida, but when it comes to answers a big piece of the puzzle was just brought down intentionally. The mayor of Miamidade County tells Cnn The Demolition helped Rescue Crews get to areas of the rubble where they obtained three bodies today. This document obtained by cnn shows how urgent repairs were that were needed in the area. From the day the believe went up to the ground being exposed to Water Intrusion for 40 years. Rick la guardia, a forensic engineer who is familiar with the building and who specializes in Building Component failures. Rick, obviously i lack your expertise, but when i look at the Powerpoint Presentation that was made in the Fall And Winter of 2020 to building residents in fact, im going to put something on the screen that i just quoted so everybody can take a moment and have a peek at it. This was under the headline why we have to do all this now, and the part that jumped out to me was the slabs in the area Up Front have been overstressed since the day the building went up. Design or construction flaw. What do you say about that . Its too early to be talking about a potential Design Or Construction flaw. Having said that, depending on who consulted on that report to the individual who made a presentation, i think its very alarming when concrete elements are not designed to be overstressed. Theyre designed so they dont get overstressed. So if were talking about a potential Design Or Construction flaw, that makes an issue that could be very critical for the Sister Building that potentially has the same contractor and the same developer. So i would urge if a Design Professional did write that statement and can verify that, that he immediately speak to the surfside officials and bring it to their attention regarding the other building. One more, if i may, again, from a Powerpoint Presentation made to residents of the building in the Fall And Winter of 2020. Well put this up on the screen and ill read. This was under the headline of why is this so complicated and expensive . Quote, there is no Waterproofg Layer over the garage in the driveway or any area except the Pool Deck and planters. This has exposed the garage to Water Intrusion for 40 years. Your thoughts . Slabs are supported on beams, beams are supported on columns. Columns are ultimately the elements that support a building. Certainly a failure in the waterproofing could cause damage of the slabs which do support beams and columns. So if that, in fact, was the case, then it would be an area of concern, and certainly it should have been addressed, in my opinion, back in 2018. Certainly the 2020 report, it had through years, even the engineer said if this is not taken care of, this is going to get worse exponentially. A final subject area. You referenced columns. Here are photographs or a photograph that the New York times published that accentuate an issue potentially with rebar. You know the issue. Give me the lay explanation of what im looking at. What youre looking at there is the slab that failed or fell off that potentially was supporting that column. Again, i want to caution against speculation or assigning Design Flaws or construction flaws. Its way too early to determine that. But i believe in the report it also recommended to have support piles added to those columns. Again, if that engineer felt that strongly, i think we merit further investigation for the design constraints. You know there is a question being raised as to whether the amount of rebar thats in that photograph comports with the original Design Drawings. I guess, though, the original Design Drawings are not as telling as the final Design Drawings. What would you most want to see . Absolutely. This is an old building. I reviewed the plans, but the plans are old as well. We dont know if there was a revision to those plans. We dont know if there was a structural Plan Review that caught some error and presumably changed the design. So we Cant Speak until we know what the final Construction Set is. Another question, if there was a Design Flaw or construction flaw, my question would be why wasnt that caught during the plans review process, or, furthermore, the lack of reinforcement . Why wasnt that caught when inspectors do a steel framing inspection of the columns in the area in question . That would be my question if it is, in fact, found to be a Design Or Construction flaw. I get all the provisos. Still a lot more unknown than known but troubling signs. Rick la guardia, Thank You very much. Youre welcome. A miamibased company has just been hit by a massive Ransomware Attack and this one may be affecting hundreds of businesses worldwide. This is a major national security concern. 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Experts say you may not feel the impact yet because of the Holiday Weekend, but if sweden is any indication, this could be really big. The coop, one of tswedens largest Grocery Store chains, had to close down hundreds because of the cyberattack. How will this play out here and what can be done about it . My next guest, cofounder of the cybersecurity strike firm, calls this the largest Strike Weve seen so far. Dmitri paris joins me now. Dmitri, why is this potentially the worst . The numbers were seeing now are unprecedented. There are probably A Thousand victims who have used this software and was hacked by this firm in russia. These are the types of organizations that have suffered throughout this pandemic and can ill afford to pay the ransom or hire Security Firms to help recover their data. On Saturday President biden was asked about this right at the outset of reports. I want you to see what he said and then well talk about it. Roll it. If it is either with the knowledge of and or a consequence of russia, i told putin we will respond. Were not certain. The initial thinking was it was not the russian government, but were not sure yet. Interesting, at least to me, he said were not sure if it was the russian government. The issue here, as i see it, is whether you can hold Putin Accountable if the actors were in russia even if you dont know if he had knowledge. Will you speak to that issue . Absolutely. Well, President Biden made it very clear to Vladimir Putin back in geneva last month that even when the russian government is not orchestrating these attacks, and we dont believe they are, if theyre harboring these criminals, if theyre allowing them to operate freely, we will hold them responsible. Clearly putin did not get the message or at best is dragging his feet, and that is unacceptable. But that presupposes that putin could know or does know who these actors are. How comfortable are you in making that assertion . Quite comfortable. Over the last 20 years, the fbi and other Law Enforcement agencies from Around The World have provided extensive information on cyber criminals to russian Law Enforcement and only to see the russian Law Enforcement completely ignore that data, never really go after these criminals and arresting them. We know that they know where these people are, because in some cases we provided information on them, but they have not acted on it because they feel like theyre benefitting right now by watching these criminals attack america. Dmitri, if thats true, thats quite a thumb in the eye by President Putin toward President Biden that will demand some type of a response. What might that response be . I think the time has come for biden to deliver a private ultimatum. You will either immediately put a stop to these attacks by apprehending and prosecuting some of these criminals or the u. S. Will start performing various sanctions in the energy section. 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The stars and stripes represent unity, the Blood Exaand Sacrifi that went into making this great nation, but its growing into a symbol of division for some. New york times documents say they are worried that some others are using the flag as a political symbol. The story reads as follows. Today flying the american flag over the back of a Pickup Truck or over a lawn is increasingly seen as a clue to a persons political affiliation in a deeply divided nation. Staff reporter of the times, sara mazlyn meer, joins me now. This has taken on a How Dare You make this accusation . For what its worth, a week ago on my radio program, i was asking the same question. What accounts for the blowback . Its fascinating, complacen journalist to be the person who made this up. Thats a falsification of what a Journalists Job is. This is something thats happening across the country, a sentiment that many, many people share and the New York times is simply sharing that because thats our job. For those of us who have not yet read your piece, whats your thesis . The thesis is that in the last four years, the incredible cleaving to the flag in the right. You look at the trump rally, its a Sea Of American Flags from Baseball Hats to tshirts to wavering them. People like Colin Kaepernick who took a knee because he didnt feel like the flag represented him, at its heart there is unity, right . There are 50 stars representing all 50 states, and to some it has become a symbol of division. Thats what the New York times sought to explore. There is some interesting Polling Data from cbs, and it talks about going into this weekend how likely based on party were you to be flying an american flag . 80 of republicans, will you fly an american flag july 4th, said yes. 58 of democrats said yes. You can see, or perhaps you dont have a monitor, but over time there has been a difference between rs and ds as to whether they fly the flag. Your reaction . There obviously is a distinction, but there are Polling Data as to how proud you are of that flag. I think its something like 80 of americans say they are proud to fly the flag while 60 of Black Americans are proud to fly that flag. That shows us how different whites grew up in america and how symbolism can mean things depending on who you are or your culture experience. Its funny how these symbols get appropriated by one side or another. I happen to love lee Greenwoods God bless the usa. It will cause me to stop in my tracks and get goosebumps. Yet that song is so affiliated with republicans and not demo democrats. I dont know what the democratic song is to match against lee greenwood. Well, isnt it fascinating that the american flag can mean so many different things . It was burned during the Vietnam War in protest of that war. Flying between the twin towers, its a symbol of unity for All Of Us coming together in this country. But then you saw it in the capitol riots used quite literally as a weapon. That american flag on a pole was used to beat Police Officers by people trying to make an entrance into the capitol. That flag means things quite euphorically and literally. How about this . We should all put up the american flag. Too late for this year, but if we all do it for next july 4th, i think it would be a positive step. I appreciated your piece, so Thank You for being here, sara. Thank you. Ill do one better. Lets use the american flag every day. Were all americans. Amen to that. Thank you. We heard from a newly free Bill Cosby this Independence Day Weekend speaking out in defense for his cosby Show Costar Fr defending him. Thats next. Yeah, yeah. [ squawk ] hot dog or. Chicken . [ squawk ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. My psoriatic Arthritis Pain . I had enough its not getting in my way. Joint pain, swelling, tenderness. Much better. My psoriasis, clearer. 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You are talking about 20 and 30 and 40 Million people tuning in. People say you were one of americas most successful fathers. I said, no, it was Bill Cosby. Cosby was number one. With respect to whats happened of late, its like hugely disappointing to All Of Us. But he set the standard for what a Family Sitcom was. I need to note that Bill Cosby maintains his innocence against all sexualassault allegations. Our next guest, a former New York times media reporter, has interviewed cosby many times over the years. Cnn media analyst, bill carter, joins us now to discuss the latest with cosby, and this sundays premiere of the History Of The Sitcom on cnn. You know, bill, im a product of the era you too when we all watched the same shows. Today, someone recommends a Tv Show to me, and even though i watch a lot of television. Chances are, ive never seen heard of it. Half the country used to watch this show, right . Absolutely. Its i think i believe its the last show ever, last regular show ever, to get a 50 share. Meaning, at the time it was on, 50 of the people watching tv were watching the cosby show. It was almost super bowl like in its popularity. What was the legacy of this show, before all his troubles . Before his troubles, it was, maybe, the Classicmodern Family show that, also, broke barriers. Because obviously, we hadnt seen a you know, an africanamerican family presented, in this way. And everybody watched the show. And and it brought people together, in an incredible way. And families watched it together. I watched it with my little children, at the time. And it brought us together. We we looked forward to it, every week. It was it was an iconic show. A trulyiconic show and, obviously, it is not that, anymore. What can you tell us about those many interviews that you conducted with him over the years . What was he like, in your interactions . Well, he was very receptive to me. And we had a very good relationship. I always found him a little inscrutible, i guess is the word. You know, he always was sort of p but obviously, he was such an enormous star. He was incredibly welcoming to me. He invited me and my wife to the taping of the finale. So we had a very good relationship. I wouldnt say we were friends but we had a goodprofessional interaction. And, of course, i never imagined any of this was going on. And i have to say, the people that i know involved in the show, the producers, they didnt know about this. This was an extraordinary thing that was going on. But it certainly undid all of this not i shouldnt say it undid all of this great work because its still a great show. Whats sad, michael. Whats really sad is is that people dont come together, as a family, and watch the show, again, in the way they will sit down and watch Lucy Or Seinfeld or friends that are these Oi Conic shows that Go On And on. And it shall bould be that way. Cosby show was that way for families. Yeah. You remind me of the seinfeld signoff. For me, that is the last i recall where it seems like the whole country gathered around a television to see how it was going to end. Question. Is there a precedent for someone who has fallen from grace and was the star of a Tv Show, sitcom or otherwise . And and what, then, happens to the legacy of that program, thereafter . Well, i i cant this is, obviously, one of a kind, in terms of the just heinousness of the accusations. As you said, we have to say he he has proclaimed his innocence. But the heinousness of these accusations. I mean, you do have, you know, i guess, you could cite hogans heroes and bob crane, who, of course, wound up being murdered. And his, you know, very checkered sexual life. But thats not an iconic show, like this. This show, because the family the Family Aspect of it and the fact that cosby was looked on as Americas Dad. I mean, its an extraordinary thing that happened. And in the series, we have malcolm jamal warner, who obviously played his son on the show and he talks about this very sincerely. Its not like they are running away from it. They know the damage that is he happened. This was a great piece of art. A great piece of art thats been tainted by the great artist, who made it. Yeah. A funny, funny show. Bill carter, Thank You for that. We appreciate it. Thanks, michael. Be sure to tune in. The all new cnn original series the History Of The Sitcom premieres with backtoback episodes sunday, 9 00 p. M. Eastern, and pacific, only on cnn. Well be right back. Should H Ave been watching the stove instead. customer tell me something i dont know. burke with your Farmers Policy perk, guaranteed replacement cost, your home can be rebuilt, regardless of your limits. customer thats really something. burke get a whole lot of something with Farmers Policy perks. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum so, you have diabetes, here are some easy rules. 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