Im Pamela Brown in washington. Welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the word. You are in the Cnn Newsroom on this holiday weekend. Its great to have you along. We want to start tonight with cyber, and what could be one of the most significant cyber attacks yet. A Ransom Ware Attack has paralyzed the networks of at least 200 u. S. Companies. Cyber security experts are again blaming russians, just weeks after President Biden told Vladimir Putin to back off. Tonight, biden is weighing in, telling reporters, were not certain who is behind the attacks, adding, the initial thinking is that it was not the russian government. Now, we do know for a fact that this was the same gang of Cyber Criminals believed to operate out of eastern Europe Or Russia that hit the Meat Supplier Jbs foods in the spring. My next guest is one of the countrys top Cyber Security experts. He says this is the most significant Ransomware Attack Weve ever seen. Joining me now is the cofounder and former chief Technology Officer of Crowd Strike and is now chairman of the Silverado Policy Accelerator focusing on geopolitical Cyber Security. Great to have you on. You said this may be the most significant Ransomware Attack Weve seen yet. Why . Thats right. Weve already seen over 1,000 organizations globally confirm to have beenvictimized. We will probably be Looking at many more. Its going to be small organizations, not the Fortune 500 companies who have been customers of this company that was compromised in this attack and whose customers were impacted, but likely be hospitals, insurance brokers, Car Dealerships, Payment Processors, all types of small businesses from across the country and the world. So, just help us understand in the practical sense how that could impact an every day american. Well, all you have to do is Look at whats happening in sweden right now. One of their major Grocery Chains has shut down 800 stores because their Payment Processor that runs their point of sale terminals has been hit by this ransomware attack. People cant go and buy food. We havent seen that here at the moment, with grocery stores, but you can find that your Car Dealer is not able to sell you a car because their systems are down. You may be able to find Hospital Systems are not able to take in patients because they Cant Access medical records. This can very widespread repercussions around the country. Yeah, thats frilghtening wht could happen to hospitals in emergency situations. We know, or we believe, that this attack was launched by the same group that attacked the Meat Supplier Jbs last spring. That group is believed to operate out of russia or eastern europe. Why do you think the president is saying he suspect sure who is behind it . Well, when youre the president of the united states, you want to make sure that every i is dotted, every t is crossed before you formally accuse someone. But we do know that this group, its called are evil, great marketing on their behalf, have members operating out of russia. Theres no indication, the president is absolutely correct, that the russian government is involved with this group. But we know the russian Law Enforcement has not paid much attention to these criminals, have allowed them to operate freely from within russia and thats exactly the type of thing that President Biden ask Ed President Putin to stop. Heres what Secretary Of State blinken told an italian newspaper last month. He said, no responsible state or any of us can be in the business of harboring or giving refuge to criminal enterprises engaged in cyber attacks like ransomware. If russia is going to continue to take reckless or aggressive actions, well respond. So, how should the u. S. Respond . I mean, what kind of response capabilities do you think the u. S. Is weighing, if, in fact, russia was aware of this or played more of a role . Well, the important thing to understand here is there is a longterm game but shortterm need here. You have 1,000 organizations, maybe more, whose data is locked up right now and theres one Group Operating we believe out of russia that has the keys to unlock it. What the president needs to do is demand from putin to arrest those individuals and turn over the E Grip shun keys. That needs to happen now. Then we can start having a conversation about Vladimir Putin about what to do about all these Cyber Criminals that are operating within russia and now we need to be dealing with it. The focus needs to be on restoration of these organizations and Vladimir Putin can do that by pressures these criminals. All right, dmitry, thank you for coming on. Thank you. Well, deadly heat and wildfires out west, tropical Storm Elsa taking aim at florida. It is very clear that extreme weather is going to be a major story this summer. But one corporation, Exxon Mobil, has been working to squash climate change legislation. Exxon Mobil Lobbyist Keith Mccoy admitting what his company is up to. Did we aggressively fight against some of the science, yes. Did we join some of these Shadow Groups to work against some of the early efforts, yes, thats true. Cnns chief climate Correspondent Bill Weir joins me now. Keith mccoy thought he was in a Job Interview when he spilled the beans, including the fact that Exxon Mobil publicly supports a Carbon Tax, because it Looks good. How is that going over in the climate Policy Community . Reporter oh, its a bombshell, as you can imagine. Weve never seen lobbyists of this level, these are veteran, high level lobbyists who have been on The Hill for years, basically give away the recipe. And you can see by exxons own financial disclosures that they spend more on advertising their innovative, you know, push to green energy than they do on actually investing in these things and theyre still drilling like mad. But that i think the biggest newsworthy item out of it is him saying exactly what you said, they dont think that Carbon Tax of any sort has a chance in hell so it gives them a safe Talking Point to say theyre behind it, because they want to be on the same team with the rest of the world while losing social lie sense. And thats the thing here. At some point, we stop burning whales for light because they lost their social license, and the same with lead Paint And Asbestos and theyre not going down without a fight. In that interview, mccoy goes on to name 11 u. S. Senators he says are crucial to supporting exxons goals. And he singles out west virginias Joe Manchin. He says he talks to manchin on a weekly basis and clearly sees him as a key figure in kneecapping bidens climate change proposals. There was a No Comment from manchins office. We reached out to his office. But if its true, how disturbing is this . Reporter well, Joe Manchin once shot a hole in a climate legislation, barack obamaera, in a campaign add, so, theres no secret about how he feels about, you know, coming from a coal state, but they also list another democrat like Jon Tester and Chris Coons and Mark Kelly out in arizona as sort of their big fish that they like to reel in. Theres no allegations of illegality here and their Campaign Donations that are public Arent Mind blowing but it doesnt Look great, especially as that in Infrastructure Bill was stripped of so much of the climate tackling infrastructure theyre proposing. And this is, of course, all happening amid Record Heat waves in this country. We are seeing triple different temperatures in places like portland and seattle that are usually much cooler this time of year. Dozens have died from the heat. Theres this town in canada, about 195 miles east of vancouver, that town caught fire, more than 1,000 people had to flee. What is causing this extreme heat in the Pacific Northwest and are we prepared for it to get worse . Reporter yeah, i mean, the latter question is the bigger one. If you were Looking for a Climate Haven at the beginning of june, you would have picked a place like litton, British Columbia. Mild temperatures. Plenty of fresh water. On the edge of a temperate rain forest. They set a canadian record, broke it the next day, shattered it the third day. The record higher than the alltime record in south america. The disturbing thing is theres newer papers on this, because were just figuring this out, is these big Wave Systems just sit and squat over communities like is happening in the Pacific Northwest, like it did in the winter in texas, the Cold Bowl that sat and froze the state there. So, yeah, Preparation And Adaptation maybe increasingly in the conversation. I have to get your thoughts before we let you go on that crazy fire in the middle of the gulf of mexico. This underwater Gas Leak near an Oil Rig that sparked a fire. Look at this. Even though its not a climate event, its just emblematic of what well put up to get fossil fuel. Reporter yeah, and it goes with the Lead Story we talked about, the exxon sting. This, again, is about social silence and what people are aware of and the hidden costs of our fuels. That is the result of a punctured pipeline owned by the mexican national Oil Company and they say they think they have it controlled there, but were setting our oceans on fire using fuels that burn and the science is to stop that as soon as possible. Everything is connected that were talking about. All right, bill weir, thank you so much and have a great holiday. You, too, pam, thank you. Still ahead this hour, Heather Barr at human Rights Watch calls the u. S. V afghan withdrawal a disaster. She joins me life. And Richard Branson gets ready to launch to the edge of space. Im going to ask former Nasa Astronaut what this means for the future of commercial space travel. But first, the search for victims of the Florida Condo Collapse is on hold, as officials say theyll demolish the rest of the building as soon as tomorrow. Cnns Brian Todd is in florida with the latest. Well be right back. Keep your Car Cleaner longer. Armor all extreme shield plus ceramic. 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That storm is the reason why officials In Surfside have paused Search And Rescue operations as they get set to demolish the rest of the collapsed building. Cnns Brian Todd is In Surfside with more on that, but we begin with Cnns Meteorologist Jean norman. So, whats the latest on elsa, gene . Well, pamela, we did just get that newest update and the one thing that sticks out to me, the storm is not moving as fast as it was earlier. Forward speed is 28 miles an hour. The Maximum Speed of the storm is 70mileanhour storm. So, its still a tropical storm and still kind of ragged, not really well organized. Hurricane hunters are on their way now to check it out to see whats happening and to define what were going to see with the new track that will come out at 11 00. But its pazing just to the south of haiti right now, on its way to jamaica and cuba. That will be important as to whether or not it will intensify. Its got to get over the mountainous terrain of cuba before we can see what it does if it gets into the gulf of mexico. Tropical Storm Watches are in effect for the key West Area of Southern Florida until, for the next couple of days, rather. And as you see from the newest track, well, it has to get over the mountainous terrain of cuba and get into the gulf to possibly strengthen again. But were going to be talking about elsa through The End of this week because its going to head up the East Coast once it impacts florida. So, what are those florida impacts . Lets go over them real quickly. Were Looking at heavy rain, isolated tornadoes and possibly Storm Surge where the storm gets close to the land. Somewhere between monday and wednesday. Now, when we will start to see those hurricane, rather, tropical stormforce winds, sometime late sunday into early monday in Southern Florida, so, thats the key that well be Looking at. And the rainfall, well, its going to be heaviest on the Gulf Side of florida. But i want to leave you with these three facts. Elsa is the earliest ever fifthnamed storm in the atlantic. And it beat last years record holder, eduard. It intensified 35 miles an hour in 12 hours. That rapid intensification is something were seeing more and more. Right now, miami and surfside, not in the cone, but that could change. Those are some interesting facts there. Thank you so much, gene norman. I want to go down to Brian Todd In Surfside. So, we just got this update, we learned that the Search Efforts there have been paused. What more can you tell us, brian . Reporter well, pamela, they were paused as of about a little over four hours ago, at 4 00 eastern time, the Rescue Efforts were paused as they prepared for the demolition of the remainder of the Champlain Towers south complex, that part of the building that did not collapse, but still remains so much of a danger. And thats really, you know what is prompting all of this. Its clear that officials just want to bring that part of the building down as soon as possible. It is simply too dangerous, really, to Rop Naoperate near r now. Here is the mayor of miamidade a short time ago. Search and rescue does have have to pause temporarily while the Demolition Preparation is under way. And that there is threat to the standing building that is posed to the first responders, as weve told you. We will begin the Search And Rescue once again on any sections of the pile that are safe to access as soon as were cleared. Reporter and the mayor did not give a specific timeline for when they would demolish the building but she did say they want to get it done before that tropical storm that gene was talking about, tropical Storm Elsa, gets to this area, if it does get to this area, as you heard gene say, it is kind of tracking to the west now, its not clear if its going to have a lot of impact on surfside or that area or not. Even if it has minimal impact, though, pamela, you can bet that these people are really worried about just debris and other remnants flying off that building if it remains standing so they are scrambling to get that building down before the storm comes. The pause in preparations, kind of interesting they gave a little bit of detail. They want to drill into some columns. They havent mentioned the specific techniques theyre going to use to bring the building down, but another key piece of information tonight, pamela, and we pressed the mayor on this, because there are buildings close to that building, very close, they say that none of those buildings, they believe, need to be evacuated for the demolition. So, theyve got some precision at work here, theyve got a lot of very sophisticated equipment, sophisticated technology at work in demolishing the rest of that building. It is simply too dangerous to remain upright right now and we got a view of that building from an elevated perch yesterday, we could see the rubble, we could see everything fairly close and it is really dangerous. They have huge slabs of concrete and columns just hanging from that building. They could come down at any minute. Pamela . Wow. And we were just listening to the mayor in that sound and she is still calling it a Search And Rescue effort. It is now at a standstill as we now. But what are officials saying about their hopes of finding anyone else in the rubble . Reporter well, they say theyre not giving up hope. But you know, you kind of pick up little items of tone in their voice and things like that, where you kind of get to the realization that at some point, probably in the not too distant future, they are going to have to go from a Search And Rescue operation to a Search And Recovery operation. They have not been able to find anyone alive yet. They have not been able to find too many of what they call those voids that they Look for, those pockets of space, of air, where people could survive. They havent been able to find too many of those, pamela, and thats been pretty discouraging. Buff they do maintain that as long as they are there, tonight, even though with the pause, and when they bring the building down, they are going to resume the Search And Rescue, they will do that. Theyre not going to give up hope as long as they are there doing that. 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Reporter portions of i95 were closed in both directions for several hours on a busy hold day weekend. Those in nearby homes were told to go into lockdown as police attempted to negotiate with the group. I dont know if you can see this, but hes loading his gun right now. Reporter they appeared to have livestreamed The Incident online. We are not antigovernment. Our nation, which our flag is right here, has a treaty with your government. Reporter they appear to belong to a group called rise of the moors, which seems to be connected with the moorish sovereignty movement, which believes an 18th Century Treaty between the u. S. And morocco grants them special rights. Everyone remain calm. Reporter one member insisted they did not break laws and they did not intend to be hostile. Police said the men were passing through the state on their way to attend some sort of training operation. Were abiding by the Peaceful Journey Laws of the united states. Reporter but massachusetts officials said the states laws are clear. They did not have Gun Licenses on them. Massachusetts does not allow the carrying of loaded or unloaded firearm on about Interstate Highway such as this. You can imagine 11 armed individuals standing with long guns slung on an Interstate Highway at 2 00 in the morning certainly raises concerns. Reporter the men eventually surrendered to police on site without incident. And authorities seized a still undisclosed number of guns. I could share with you that a number of firearms have been seized. I cannot share with you the exact number. The two vehicles that were at the scene are being towed from the scene. They will be processed pursuant to court authorized Search Warrant and only then will we know the exact number of firearms that have been seized. Reporter the vital artery that is i95 was finally reopened to holiday travelers. But the investigation around The Incident is ongoing. 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Shes the interim director of womens Rights Division at human Rights Watch. Heather, thank you for coming on the show. What concerns you most about americas military withdraw from afghanistan . This situation is so alarming for women and girls, and i this think that we see that the taliban has already made an enormous amount of progress since the u. S. Announced the Wit Withdrawal in april. You talked about how the taliban ruled when they were in power last time and the truth is that theres been very little change in their views on womens rights in the 20 years since they lost power. There have been tiny incremental changes, such as they say now that they accept that girls should be allowed to go to primary education, but thats wildly unacceptable, of course, and we actually see on the ground that they dont even necessarily comply with that. So, this is a real return to a very, very dark time for afghan women and girls. And what are afghan women telling you . Well, what many of them are telling us is that theyre trying to leave the country. My Colleagues Hand i are getting a lot of requests, as are all the organizations that we work with, from people who are desperately trying to figure out how to get asylum somewhere. And i think thats one thing that countries havent thought through as they sort of abruptly left with the u. S. And the u. S. , as well, is what impact is this going to have in terms of refugee flows, which, of course, are mostly in this region, but will reach europe and the u. S. , as well. Well, the White House says since 2002, 787 Million of aid have been spent for afghan women and girls. The u. S. Has pledged even more humanitarian aid as they exit. Are concerned that financial assistance coming from the u. S. And its allies may drop off at some point . Im more than concerned. The truth is that the concern is not about whether aid will drop. Aid already has been dropping, so, we published a report about a month and a half ago that found that Donor Funding to the Health Sector had already fallen by 26 between 2013 and 2019 and that has already had a huge impact on Womens Access to Health Care and has been cutting a lot of women off from Health Care. So, were really concerned that now, with the troops going, were going to see an even more precipitous drop and that a lot of the really Essential Services like Health Care, like education, just wont exist anymore, because over 75 of the afghan Governments Budget comes from international donors like the united states. Wow, thats really kind of alarming. There has been progress, youve talked about it, in the last 20 years, but where do womens rights still fall short in afghanistan, in your view . So, theres been a huge amount of progress. There really has been, and thats because women and girls saw an opportunity after 2001 and took that opportunity to go to school, to go to work, to take leadership positions. Blue one of the things thats happening right now in this sort of environment of escalating insecurity is theres been a real campaign of targeted attacks on civilians, including women and girls. You probably saw the news about the horrendous attack on a girls high school in kabul several weeks back where about 70 schoolgirls were killed. And what we see is that women made this incredible progress, but those are the exact women who are now being targeted for murder. Heather barr, thank you for coming on and sharing this with us. I think we should all be paying attention to whats going on in afghanistan, to afghan allies, to these women. Thank you so much for shedding a light on this. Thank you. You are in the Cnn Newsroom. Up next, it is the battle of billionaires. Who will get to space first . 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Reporter well, these people here are doing exactly what Health Officials and others advise. They are enjoying a great day at the beach and they are being inbounds, so to speak, when it comes to illegal fireworks. Up and down the West Coast, theres a high fire danger. They are super concerned about this combination of drought and heat. You may have seen earlier this week that British Columbia bore the brunt of it. 121 Degrees Fahrenheit in the tiny village of litton. And it was obliterated, 90 , by wildfire. Back here in southern california, los angeles, a lot of concerns over illegal fir fireworks. Theyve had problems here in the past. Just this week, they confiscated 5,000 pounds of illegal fireworks, they put them in one of those Bomb Squad vans and somehow it blew up. So, lets come back out here live. This is what they want you to do. Theres a Fire Pit back here. Its ringed by cement. You are allowed to burn things in there and celebrate, as 4yearold kimaya is doing this weekend. She was born on the fourth of july and i had a chance to talk to her about her Birthday Party here. What kind of party is this . Ah, elsa. Reporter elsa, from froze p. Yeah, frozen. Reporter well, happy birthday. Happy birthday to me reporter adorable. Happy birthday to me. Theyre saying, again, pam, this is the way youre supposed to celebrate. Stay cool, be on the sand and dont go lighting off fireworks near brush, thats for sure. Back to you. Hey, and good Job Being on point there, Knowing Elsa was from frozen. Very impressed there, paul vercammen. This u so much. Happy fourth to you. When you hear Space Race, you are bound to think of the cold War Combination between the u. S. And the soviet union. But now, its a battle of the billionaires. And virgins Richard Branson Looks to be the early winner. Hes going to fly to space on july 11th, nine days before fellow billionaire Jeff Bezos plans to exit the atmosphere. But branson tells cnn its not about who gets there first. Whether i go a few days before him or a few days after him, honestly, it doesnt it doesnt matter to either of us. What we want to do is do something extraordinary and were both doing something extraordinary in the same month. And opening up space hopefully for thousands of people in the years to come. Former Nasa Astronaut michael massimino joins me now. Great to see you. Welcome back to the show, michael. So, what are the benefits of private commercial space travel, first off . Well, pamela, thank you for having me. I think the benefits is similar to what Richard Branson just said, is that hopefully it will open up the opportunities in space to thousands of people and its not just the people who are going who are going to be going in the next year, its also for experiments, im a professor at columbia, some of my students have already flown a space vehicle. So, its opening it up for students, for researchers and also for people who are going to get a chance to go themselves. So, i think its a very, very exciting time. What are any downsides you can think of . Are there any Safety Concerns that you may have . I think, you know well, i think theyre going to be pretty safe. I know people working for both of those companies, so, i think that its going to be a very safe ride. But just like anything else we do in life and especially when we try to leave the planet, theres always that risk, but both of these both of these spacecraft are very safe, i think, and also have backups. Weve learned a lot over the years, weve had a few accidents, nasa has, and weve learned from them and i think we passed those lessons onto these private companies and so i think theyre going to be as safe as possible. So, how far off are we from an era of Space Tourism . Virgin galactic expects to be doing commercial Space Flights next year. Yeah, i think were really close here. Weve had paying customers going to space on the russian soyuz to the international space station, we call them Space Flight participants. The russians did that years ago, and now were seeing new era with nasa included with private astronaut missions, and now Richard Branson and Jeff Bezos have their spacecraft Ready To Go to take people. But it still you need a lot of money to do this. This is not a cheap enterprise. I think everyone in the business recognizes that the price is going to have to come down. At first its going to be for the people who are wealthy who can afford this privately as Space Tourists or even as researchers or explorers, because i dont think theyre just there for tourism. I think theyre there to try to do this for a reason, as well. And i think eventually that price is going to come down. That means more and more people are going to be able to get a chance to go to space for whatever reason they have. So we know Space Junk is becoming a real problem. Are you worried that this will lead to more Space Junk . Well, weve tried to become more responsible about that. We meaning the world has. And in this case, everything that theyre launching is supposed to come back. So im not that concerned. Jeff Bezos Mission is a suborbital flight. His spacecraft is named after its the program called new shepherd, named after alan shepherd, the first american in space. And its doing a similar mission to what he did, going up for about 15 minutes, getting into space, and coming back down. Richard Bransons Spaceship has a mothership that takes it up. It goes into space and lands back On Earth on a runway. There shouldnt be any junk in orbit as a result of either of these two programs. But youre right, Space Junk is a concern. But in this case, i dont think we need to worry about it. Would you go on either of these flights . I would. I would love to go again. To experience it again, sure. I certainly would. Im not paying that money, though, ill tell you what. You know, i worked hard in school and, you know, to become a Nasa Astronaut, and not that we got paid all that much, but we didnt have to pay for the experience. I dont think i would pay that price quite yet. Yeah, im curious maybe someday the price will come down. Or theyll ask me to go or figure out something to do. Would you go, pamela . I would totally go. I would totally go. I was watching that Richard Branson interview, part of it, sitting on his couch. Im like, hes going to be in space in a few days, right . Hes going to be in space. And right now hes on the couch, hes going to be there. What is that like from someone whos been there, done that, that experience, to leave the atmosphere and go into space and youre in a different world literally . Yeah. Its quite an experience, pamela. In our case, there is a difference. We have private astronauts now, want to call them tourists, i dont consider them tourists, i consider them private astronauts. In our job as Nasa Astronauts, i have a couple of friends in space, two americans right now, megan and i flew together on my second mission. And thats a different sort of model. So it was going through your mind when youre a Nasa Astronaut getting Ready To Go is that youre going to be going for a while. You have a lot of responsibility. People are expecting you to do your job so theres a bit of stress. And a lot of anticipation associated with it. I hope in Richard Bransons case, you know, hes trained up, Ready To Go, the spaceship will do most of the work. I say the same for Jeff Bezos. I hope in their case theyre really Looking forward to the experience. I was, as well. Its a very special time, the few days before you experience space travel. You know, those last few days youre on the planet so to speak, and when you return the planet is definitely different. It really does you really Look at things a bit differently. And i think thats one of the great things about both of these programs is that more people will get to experience and bring though experiences back to All Of Us On Earth. For sure. Michael massimino, great to have you on as always. Thank you so much. Pamela, thanks for having me. Thanks for covering the story. Sure appreciate it. Happy 4th. Well, in what has become a rare moment these days, we saw Prince William and Prince Harry reunite this week to unveil a statue of their mother, princess diana. The statue unveiled on what would have been the princess of wales 0th birthday 60th birthday, was commissioned by the brothers to memorialize their mother. And be sure to stay with cnn, diana chasing a fairytale, is next. Ill see you next weekend. First, its almost July 4th, and america is open. 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