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Anyone in america, who lives in a Highrise Building or plans to vacation in one this summer. The mayor of surfside, today, promised that Search Andrescu efforts will grow in size and intensity. They are facing increasing odds, at this hour. Lightning being just the latest issue, with officials telling cnn, tonight, that rescuers are standing on a giant piece of metal. Three of the victims including the latest, has not been named. This is what we know about the eight other victims. Antonio and Gladys Lozano. A couple who were about to celebrate their 59th anniversary. We are going to have more on their remarkable story, in a moment. And hear from their Son And Grandson, later in the broadcast. Also, 46yearold Anna Ortiz and her son louie, a 26yearold with muscular dystrophy. His aunt said he only had movement in the use of one hand but he used that hand to draw and to paint. Also, 80yearold leon and his 74yearold wife, christina elvira. And Theres Manuel Lafont who shared a passion for baseball with his son. Both his children were picked up by their mother, just hours before the Building Collapsed. And stacey fang, whose 15yearold son was pulled from the rubble alive on thursday. Her sister told The New York Times that the boy wants to know what happened to his mother. We, all, want to know, she said. And that really is the central question, this hour. What happened . Why did it happen . Seniorinvestigative correspondent, Drew Griffin, has the latest on the search for answers, as to how this could have happened, to begin with. Reporter as new evidence emerges of past inspections, cracks, and potential danger. This short surveillancecamera video, itself, remains the best clue, so far, as to how and why the Schamplain Tower South fell in what he calls a clean collapse. There was a pancake effect. It was almost symmetric and vertical and what that causes is the structure to come straight down, instead of collapsing sideways or collapsing in any, other trajectory. Which would mean that, whatever caused it, which is unknown, at this point, would have caused the structure to have a cleanvertical collapse of those towers. Reporter but while engineers continue to speculate from afar, in reality, the answer lies, like the victims, trapped under rubble. The 40yearold Structure was due for massive repairs. An alarming 2018 inspection re report warned of abundant cracking in concrete columns and several instances of deteriorating rebar, especially on the Condos Pool Deck and in the parkingstructure garage, underneath the building. According to the report, failed waterproofing was causing majorstructural damage to the concrete structural slabs below the Pool Deck and entrance drive. As dire as that may sound, several engineers cnn spoke with say that 2018 report did not foresee a catastrophic collapse. And minutes from the Condominium Association Board meeting the following month shows that a Town Official told residents it appears the building is in very good shape. Champlain towers south was in the process of recertification. A Miamidade County Government structural and electrical assessment of any building 40 years old. According to the condominium association attorney, the building had multiple inspections. And was in the process of extensive work, which would have cost 15 million. Structural engineer, jason, examined Champlain Tower just last year. I saw things that i typically see when we are looking at buildings when were preparing to do this type of investigation or study. I saw cracks in the facade, i saw deterioration of the concrete balconies. But those are all things we are day accustomed to seeing. Any cause for alarm in what you saw . What i saw . No. The lack of alarm is now sending chills through residents in other aging buildings along this beach and beyond. Inspections underway. Voluntary evacuations for the Champlain Towers sister building. And a rush to find the answer to why this building just fell . Forensic engineers caution, that answer could, yet, be months away. And Drew Griffin joins us now. Drew, the town of surfside has hired a Structural Engineer to study this collapse. You know, what is he saying tonight . He calls this a huge puzzle that he and his firm need to figure out. Hes, already, begun. He is visiting the site looking at plans. Collecting all the information he can about what happened. And then, he puts this through this meticulous computerassisted process of elimination, john. Ruling in and ruling out, various possibilities and combinations of possibilities that could cause this. But as so many Structural Engineers have, already, told us. This is a process that is going to take months. John. Drew griffin, thanks so much for looking into this for us. Now, some photos of the Basementlevel Garage obtained by the Miami Herald. They come from a contractor, who took them just36 hours before the collapse. And tells the herald he was shocked by the lack of maintenance. Here is what the herald reporter told cnn just a short time ago. This is the Basement Garage under the Pool Deck. Saw a bunch of Standing Water. And then, entered the Poolequipment Room where he saw cracks in the concrete. Everything that was just described. That rebar, concrete, and thought, wow, havent they maintained this building better . Perspective now from asher cohen, a forensic engineer who evaluates damage to residential and commercial buildings. And architect kobi karp, whose firm specializes in Rez Sidenti developments and is based in miami. Asher, we just saw photos taken 36 hours before this collapse. What did you see . We saw spalling, again, which is well documented. We saw significant spalling in some what looked like a beam below what i understand is the South End of the Pool Structure below that. And We Saw evidence of spalling in other photographs in that inspection report. Again, it was noted and it has been noted continuously that the spalling, alone, doesnt explain this. At least to the degree that it was. And there is a real mystery here. And obviously, what we expect, as pieces get removed from the site and they reexamine those, test them, send them to laboratories. We will have a better idea. We really hope, of course, sooner, than later, that we have a more clear idea as to what factors contributed to this. Kobi, what does your eye tell you about those photos . And again, bit more of reporting according to the contractor. A lot of Standing Water. An unusual amount of Standing Water in that area. You know, i read the report. And the water is very, very concerning. And in the report, there is actually a sentence that states that, maybe, this event is actually in other locations in the building. So for example, if the waterproofing has failed where the Pool Deck is. Has the waterproofing, also, failed where the roof is . What happens then is the connections, over time, fail. And this event did not happen, in the past24 hours or the past24 months. It it took time to be done. And nobody was working on the building in the middle of the night. So, if the event really happened in the past24 hours, the past24 months, the failure could have been on top. It could have been in the middle. And or, it could have been on the bottom. Nobody really knows. Its clearly speculation. The photos We Saw in tthe Miami Herald actually are from a spot that didnt collapse. The collapse happened in a different spot. But there is one sentence in this article which makes you wonder. The question is was that more widespread across that whole level . If it had been, how much of a concern would that be to you . Yeah. Well, again, it was. We saw evidence of spalling throughout the parking garage. Again, its well documented that, at this point, we recognize there was spalling. To the extent that We Saw below the South End of that Pool Structure. Maybe, not to that extent. But again, we did see evidence of that in that 2018 report. As kobi said, this is something that occurs over many, many years. When we see failures, we see that progressive failures of Concrete Structures give you plenty of time to sunderstand, hey, we have a serious issue. Whats so puzzling here is the fact that it happened so rapidly. With, again, with a lot of engineering eyes on it. At least over the lastseveral years, theres been plenty of experts who have come by. And we just dont understand what other factors, at this point. What about that, kobi . When does it go from majorstructural damage as We Saw in the 2018 report, to majorstructural damage you need to fix today . Look, this building is not old. This building is young. I was in High School when this building was being built. Whats interesting here is when we when we design buildings, we design Everything Slope to drains so the water runs up. Especially, here. Where the water has salt in it. Has salinity. We try to get the water away, and drained away from the structure. From the steel. As fast as possible. But like the engineer said, if this really was a waterproofing issue. Where the water, continuously, was able to percolate into the concrete and into the steel. Then, its like a cancer. It grows and keeps on growing and expanding. The point of arrival could have been someplace from the top. Could have been someplace at the bottom. We just dont know. But this goes against anything that we do, in maintaining these buildings. We need to maintain these buildings and if we do not maintain the waterproofing, we dont maintain the structure. Its its like not maintaining ourselves, we will fail. The searchandrescue effort is going on right behind this building we are seeing right here. The mayor pointed out yes it is a Searchandrescue Operation but it is also an evidencegathering operation right now. They are trying to piece it together so they can analyze, forensically, whats happening. One of the things some engineers who have looked at the collapse, video of the collapse, and also looked at different pictures like the ones today. Told The New York Times and the Miami Herald, theyre of the mind that this collapse started at the bottom. Maybe, in the garage or the Pool Deck, the bottom level. What do you make of that . How do these new photos, for instance, contribute to that theory to you . I dont know if the new photos. Certainly, the big piece of evidence is when we look at that video, we can see that that central portion of the building collapses. And we look at that column support, at the South End of that central portion. And it appears, given what we can see. And again, remember, were just looking at the south side. The thing to remember is what if we had video from the North Side . Right. You know, thats the limiting factor here. Mind you, we have video, alone, is telling. But i strongly suggest, to everyone, that what we will do is when we examine all the information. The physical evidence. We are going to start to see, better, much more clearly, what, specifically, what factors and multiple factors, likely, contributed to this issue. And and again, you know, its not to say were not looking at corrosion. Trying to say, oh, spalling happens. Of course, its of concern but spalling, alone, and the extent that we are seeing here. Its still a puzzle. We really have to look at it and we have to examine more. What would cause if it was that column or a column like that, to collapse on itself . What could cause that . The weakening of the joint. Its like we are standing on two legs. But if one leg if if i get a nail in my knee and i cannot stand on that. I can try to balance. But when im a building, i cannot. I have to follow the motion of the weakness. The the direction of the failure. And what asher is talking about is how the Building Collapsed onto itself. Yet, the front facade was standing. And then, it moved back. Now, the interesting thing is, as pure speculation, other people are asking me, kobi, how could it be that i dont see any material of the Roof Material that was being placed on the existing building . The building thats still standing. Yet, if it was placed, where was it placed . Was it placed on the building that failed . And if so, where was it placed . Was it placed on the joint where it failed . And so, it gets back to what asher is saying. Some folks are saying, no, the failure is down below. Some people saw a sinkhole. Some people are saying, maybe, the materials were not spread around. And they were loaded where people thought was the safest, which is buy the share wall. And maybe, thats where the weakest point was because the Water Membrane was not protecting it for years. And maybe thats where the failure was. And then, you start to look at from a different perspective, like you said. Combination of things. Yeah. Maybe, you need to look from the north, rather than the south. And its like an accident and four people on Four Corners see the same accident, in four different ways. You know, one of the questions is as we are hearing from our report and were hearing from you, and other engineers who took a tour of the building. I talked to a guy who looked at it last year. They saw things but nothing they saw then was alarming to them, then. What do you think the chances are, asher, that one of the things emerges from this is that people, like you, and people like you, designing these buildings, look at things differently . Start to see evidence like this, and maybe worry more, now, because of it . Do we need to change the way we look at things . Goes without saying. We are absolutely going to look at things, with more scrutiny. And especially, once we start to uncover things. We have a Triedandtrue Process in the forensic world, where we examine all of the factors. That go into whatever it is that failed. And we put together a hypothesis and we examine that and test it. Now, we will have contributing information. Significant information as we learn what happened. That absolutely will be incorporated into the engineering community, the architectural community, and the inspection community, as a whole. What we see from moving forward from here, i hope, will be improvements and this never happens, again. Absolutely. I think the people living in these thousands of buildings that wring the coast of florida and up the east coast, too. They want to know. I mean, they are looking at things differently, too. They appreciate the work you are doing, i appreciate you joining us tonight. Thank you, both, very much. Thank you. Were going to continue to cover this conversation after the break with the mayor of surfside, charles burkett, with the latest on their investigation into the cause of the collapse. And later, a profile of the couple we mentioned earlier found in the rubble. You will hear from the Son And Grandson of a Husband And Wife who were about to celebrate 59 years together. Hi guys check out this side right here. Whatd you do . Tell me know you did it. Yeah. Get a little closer. Thats insane. Thats a different car. Thats the same car. No yeah, thats before, thats after. Oh, thats awesome. Make it nu with nu finish. New projects means new project managers. You need to hire. I need indeed. 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I am joined now by the mayor of surfside, charles burkett. You know, i have been watching you over the last several days since the morning it collapsed. And one of the first things you said when speaking to the public is buildings just dont fall down, like this. They just dont fall down like this. Which is why the investigation is so important. Can you give us the latest on where that investigation is . Well, as ive always as ive said, repeatedly, you know, as far as im concerned, the Numberone Priority here is pulling these people out of the rubble. And we are going to focus only on that. The second priority is supporting the family. With respect to the investigation, were what were doing right now. Staff. I have directed staff to pull out every scrap of documentation that we have. Which includes going to our boxed files in storage. Bring them back, scan them, put them on our website and put them out for the world to see. You know, we are going to start to piece together, exactly, what happened. And that will be, you know, theres plenty of time for the investigation. But there is not plenty of time to save lives. And thats where im mostly focused, today, tomorrow, and the nextindefinite time. You know, listen, i sent the mayor of Dade County a Bbc Article which talked about survivability in buildingcollapse situations. And, you know, it was 17 days. And, you know, were not even anywhere near that. So and and, listen, im not saying 17 days is the limit. Right. You know, my position is going to be and im im not the Decision Maker here. But if someone asks me for my opinion, its going to be like we need to pull everybody out of there, and be sure that weve got everybody. And then, we can close the case and move onto the next phase. I do understand that saving lives, possibly, inside that rubble is the priority, is the priority. And then, the families of the people who may be trapped there. The priority. You cant walk away from from possibly saving somebody. Right. But there is a Safety Issue for other people living in some of these towers, now. Let me tell you the first night i came out here when i was told there was a Building Collapsed and came out expecting to see a balcony down. And half of the building was down. Those those Rescue Guys and gals were out here. They told us to move back because there was a danger of the rest of the building falling down. As i moved back, and followed instructions, they surged forward. Went into the building and brought more people out. And their courage is its amazing. And they want to save lives. Their job is to save lives. And i know its frustrating, for them. That that it is what it is right now. In terms of that. Again, though, part of your Job Isnt just for the people who are trapped in that building. It was for the other people who live in these other buildings here who want to know that we are safe today. My main priority, right now, is is the people in that rubble. Okay. Okay. The second second thing we do is we support the people. The third thing is we have got a building thats idepartmencal to the identical to the one that fell down. It has the same contractor, the same name, presumably, the same plans. Presumably, the same materials. And the clock is ticking on that building, too. What we did for that was we sent our Building Inspector in there with an inspector we hired. An emanate inspector. The inspector who after the 9 11 attacks and the Fiu Bridge when it fell down so he is one of the best in the business. And he went into the building where people were fearful because they were calling me, listen, is my building safe . I couldnt tell them it was safe. Okay. They went in. They did a cursory inspection. They walked through it. They came back and called me and said, listen, mr. Mayor. We didnt see anything that jumped out at us. That gave us the impression that this building was going to fall down tomorrow. But having said that, we need a fullblown sort of investigation. You have read the 2018 Engineering Report . I have. What are your feelings . Well, listen. There are findings there. There are serious, significant issues in that report that should have been addressed. Now, it probably should have never gotten that bad prior to 2018. Should never have gotten that bad . It probably you know, again, if if it had been maintained correctly, it probably wouldnt have gotten that bad. I want to ask you. Obviously, you spent so much time onsite and with the families. You had an experience, where you saw a 12yearold girl. And this moved you. Tell me about that experience, and your contact with this process. I do three passes a day at the site. I do one, first thing in the morning. I do one, around midday. And i do one at the end of the day. Whatever that time is. And it the other night, it happened to be 9 00 or so. And as i was doing my pass, i noticed this beautiful, beautiful, Little Girl sitting there, looking at her phone. And she i recognized her because a couple days before, i had talked to her. And i didnt remember which parent was in that building but i knew she had a parent in that building. And i said to her, are you okay . And she said she just looked at me. You know, like she was sort of lost. And i said, what are you doing . And she said something, you know, i could see it was hebrew on the on the screen. And she she named the prayer in hebrew and i didnt get it. She had to say it three times. Then, she finally said, its a prayer. And it hit me. I mean, she was sitting there praying about, now, i know, her father, who is in that building. And her uncle who is in that building. So, as i, you know, and i told her, i said, listen. Im here for you. We love you. Were supporting you. And if there is anything you need, you ask for the mayor of surfside. And ill come make it happen. And i walked away. And i got home and i felt worse because i could have done more. And as i was driving around with my police escort today, i told the story to the police officer. Said, well, do you want me to find her . I said, well, how how are you going to do . Just, ill look. I came back from a meeting, and she had the little Girls Name on a piece of paper. And at the same time, someone had called into the City Hall and said i know where she is, too. She was at the Community Center eating lunch. I walked over from townhall. I sat down next to her. And we started talking and we had lunch together. French fries together. We exchanged numbers. Now, it turns out, her mom is in financial distress because the father was supporting you know, the mother lived in a building just down The Street. And they were separated. So the Little Girl was going back and forth between the mom and the dad. Thank god, she was with the mom, that night. But the mom needs help. And weve set aside some money, already, i put her in touch with our save our support surfside. Org site. And her moms going to get the help she needs. And the Little Girls going to get things she asked me for which was a comfort puppy. So, it you know, listen and its just its you see this Little Girl. Shes beautiful. Shes kind. Shes sweet. And you know what . She doesnt say a word. She sits there in silence and prays for her dad. Listen. I can tell how much this spoke to you. No but its the the face. No but but listen. It its the face of this crisis. A Little Girl, whos lost her dad. Its tragic. She hasnt lost her dad, yet. I told her, were going we are going to do everything we can but she is missing her dad. So, you know, im hoping for a miracle. What, you know we could use one. We could use many. So, were praying and were hoping. Mayor, i really appreciate you being with us. Im sure that girl appreciates it, also. Thank you for the work you are doing. My pleasure. Up next. 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And hugged my mom good night. Kissed my dad. That was it. Never imagining that would be the last time you saw them . No. No. Sergio returned to his condo in champlain east. The same complex but two blocks away. Only to be awakened, around 1 30 in the morning, by a terrible noise. I thought it was a tornado outside my apartment. I opened the door. I told my wife, oh, my god. She goes, really . Look the buildings not there. What do you mean . My Parents Apartments not there. Through tears, he said that his Parents Apartment wasnt there. That the building was gone. Sergio says he used to be able to see into his Parents Kitchen from his own apartment. I could see my Mom Cooking from my apartment when night would fall. Their kitchen, where my dad would sit and watch tv. It wasnt there. Its just like i dont know. As the search continued, were you did you have any hope that they would be found alive . I did. I was just praying to god that they were together. When officials told him his parents had died in the collapse, he says they told him they were found together. I was told they were in bed together. Thats the end of the romantic story. They were together. The lozanos had been married 59 years. An antonio was 82. Gladys was 80. They first met in cuba when they were 12 years old. After antonio came to the united states, he sent for gladys and they got married on miami beach. Antonio later became a successful banker. Their son says they often joked about who might die, first. My dad would say, to my mom, if you die, i dont even know how to fry an egg. Im gonna die. And my mom would say that, if my dad would die, i dont know how to pay the bills. [ inaudible ] but they died together. Its not fair, being crushed. Being destroyed. Its not fair. Reporter next month would have been gladys and antonios 59th wedding anniversary. Instead of planning a celebration, their son, sergio, is planning a funeral. Now, more than ever, he is grateful for happier times, like when he took his parents to europe. And how his mom cried visiting the vatican. Sergios son is also cherishing those final moments. He remembers one of the last things his grandfather told him was that he was proud of him. You hear that news that same day. Its its just its unimaginable. Unimaginable. Reporter the Lozanos Leave behind two children, seven grandchildren, and two great grandchildren. A family thats in pain, but at Peace Knowing Antonio and gladys are, still, together. Theyre just two amazing people. Amazing people. 59 years, and theyre still together. Randi kaye joins me, now. Randi, that thats overwhelming. Its overwhelming to hear him talk about his parents. They were found together. They had such joy in their life. And its so clear that sergio is still dealing with their death. Has he been back to his own apartment, yet . I mean, what is he going through having looked out his Weindow Ad seen the building gone . Yeah. Then, he raced down to The Street. Police were already on the scene. They said, no, no, its not safe. This whole building could come down. So he had run down to The Street after he saw it was gone but he has not been back to his apartment in the east tower. He just says its too emotional. And he would have flashbacks right now even when he sees a glass door, which is what he opened that night and saw his Parents Building was gone. And now, he is planning their funeral as i said instead of a celebration for their anniversary. And all of their belongings are gone, in a addition to their clothes. So he doesnt have a pretty dress, as he said, or a nice suit to put his Mother And Father in. He told me he has to now go shopping for his dead parents so he can bury them in something beautiful. I mean, its its just its unimaginable. He has the memories, though. At least he has the memories, though. And theyre remarkable memories to have. What a story. Randi, thank you so much. Please, give our if you talk to sergio, give him our love. I will. And that we are thinking about him. Were going to have more on the Condo Collapse, coming up. Stay with us. We were alone wheny husband had the heart attack. Hes the most important thing in my life. Im so lucky to get him back. Your Heart Isnt just yours. Protect it with bayer aspirin. Be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. Hi guys check out this side right here. Whatd you do . Tell me know you did it. Yeah. Get a little closer. Thats insane. Thats a different car. Thats the same car. No yeah, thats before, thats after. Oh, thats awesome. Make it nu with nu finish. Former Attorney General Bill Barr is quoted in an upcomingnew book, as saying the former president s claims of Widespreadelection Fraud were nonsense. Although, he used a much stronger word. And the book called betrayal by abc news correspondent, jonathan carl, barr says he went ahead with what he said were unofficial inquiries. Barr said carl says that barr knew trump would ask him about the allegations at some point. And he wanted to be able to say hed looked into them. And that they were not true. That is, of course, quite a remarkable turn from What Barr was saying, while all this was going on. Heres a sample. Elections that have been held with mail have found substantial fraud and coercion. For example, we indicted someone in texas. 1,700 ballots collected. He from people who had could vote. He made them out, and voted for the person he wanted to. Okay . Because that kind of thing happens with mailin ballots. And everyone knows that. But, in fact, you have no evidence that foreign countries can successfully sway elections with counterfeit ballots, do you . No, i dont. But i have common sense. I think there is a range of concerns about mailin ballots. Theres so many occasions for fraud there, that cannot be policed. I think i think it would be very bad. But but one of the things i mentioned was the possibility of counterfeiting. Did you have evidence to raise that specific concern . No, its obvious. During your tenure as Attorney General of the united states, how many indictments have you brought against people committing Voter Fraud . I couldnt tell you, off the top of my head. But several. I know of. Like, a handful . I cant i dont know. Several doesnt sound like too many. Well, i i dont know. I dont know how many we have. I know there are a number of investigations, right now. Some very big ones, in states. Some perspective now from cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. Jeffrey, as you hear many times the former Attorney General indulge Election Conspiracy theories leading up to the election. But now, in this excerpt of john carls book, he is quoted as saying, quote, my attitude was, it was put up or shut up time. If there was evidence of fraud, i had no motive to suppress it but my suspicion, all the way along, was that there was nothing there. It was all bullshit. We realized, from the beginning, it was just bullshit. So, the theories he was stoking over the summer to that. What do you make of this . Well, you know, the the Donald Trump, among other things, was the greatreputation destroyer. You know, virtually, everyone who served in his administration came away with a diminished reputation. And that goes triple for william barr, who had a, more or less, respectable tenure as Attorney General. Briefly, under George Herbert Walker bush. But he used his position, not as the peoples lawyer, but as Donald Trumps lawyer throughout his twoyear tenure. And, you know, in the leadup to the election, when Donald Trump was starting to breed these conspiracy theories. Based on nothing. Based on no evidence that mailin ballots were prone to fraud. As as we heard in all those clips, the Attorney General was was fomenting and encouraging that speculation. Now, at least he had the decency, when confronted with an actual election. With actual votes cast. To point out to the president that there was nothing here. That there was no fraud. But, you know, he he is trying to repair damage, that he, in significant part, caused himself. How much of it do you think is Reputation Rehab . I i i think its its its a lot. But, you know, he has a Long Way To Go because he has a lot to answer for. Not just about the election. But about the way he misled the public about the mueller report. The way he interfered in the cases of Donald Trumps friends, like Roger Stone and and asked asked to give them special leniency. His reputation took perhaps the biggest hit of anyone associated with Donald Trump. So, the fact that he and his admin and his Justice Department, at long last, did the right thing on the postelection period. You know, thats better than nothing. But he he has a Long Way To Go. Will this play any role in the variouslegal investigations underway . There is a criminal case, still, in Georgia Looking at President Trumps conversation with the Secretary Of State urging him to find votes for trump to win that state. So what do the former Attorney Generals comments, what impact might they have . I dont i mean, i i trust the Line Prosecutors in the Justice Department to do the right thing. Which is to investigate that, and see if there a crime there. And then, prosecute them if there is one if there is a case to be brought. The the tragedy of Bill Barrs leadership of the Justice Department is that it wasnt people with integrity leading these investigations. It was partisans, like barr, himself. And from everything i can tell, the the good guys are back in charge. That is, the career people, the people with integrity, are back in charge in the Justice Department. And and i think Theyll Wind up doing the right thing. Jeffrey toobin, great to talk to you. Thanks so much. So when it comes to fostering the Big Lie, republican officials in some, key states seem to be bent on punishing elected officials for following the rules. Details coming up. Jess at safelite, we have service the way you need it. When you have a cracked windshield, schedule Safelites Drop and go service. Just drop off the car and keys in the morning. Uplifting Music Jess . And go enjoy your day. Well text you updates along the way. Or you can check the status any time. And well let you know when your cars ready to pick up. Thats service on your time. Schedule drop and go at safelite. Com. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. At johnsonville, weve often wondered how could burgers and dogs be our national tradition, when you cant even spell sausage without usa. Exercise your right to mix it up, and throw on some johnsonville sausage. Because freedom is delicious. 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And rather than supporting the Secretary Of State of georgia or the, you know, commission in, you know, arizona that had done the counting and performed their duties properly, et cetera, what you saw was republican elected officials all side with the president out of fear, i guess. Leave many of these folks who were republicans themselves and who had just, were just doing their jobs, hanging out to dry. Specifically republican lawmakers targeted Arizona Secretary of state Katie Hobbs and georgias secretary. Reporter its a power grab. Gop State Legislator advancing a measure to strip Secretary Of State Katie Hobbs, a democrat, of her ability to defend election lawsuits. Instead, that power could wind up with the republican Attorney General. Were certainly considering legal options, but what this is is nothing more than a partisan blatant retaliation against my office, coming from folks who are, you know, basically leading by conspiracy theory. The partisan play in the Battleground State of arizona just one of a host of provisions allowing legislatures and others in republicanrun states to seize power. From Election Officials. Extraordinary lengths in 2020 to ensure americans could safely vote during a pandemic but also to stand up to attempts from former President Trump and his allies to overturn the election results. These kinds of efforts to have partisan bodies, state legislatures, Take Away decisionmaking power from election professionals of both parties is really a hangover from Donald Trumps Big Lie in the 2020 election. Hobbs stood by the results showing Joe Biden won arizona in 2020, rejected unfounded claims of election fraud, and has criticized the Half Hazard Gop led count. Audit. A democrat who oversaw an election they didnt like the result of. Now shes facing the fallout from the republican legislature. The move to limit her powers only proposed to last until january 2023, when Hobbs Term ends. If there was any question whether or not this is a blatantly political move, that Expiration Date should tell you that it is. Reporter in Georgia Republicans already passed a Bill Taking Aim at another election official, brad raffensperger. Republican Secretary Of State. We made sure we ran an honest and fair election. Reporter and then the legislature passed a measure removing raffensperger as a Voting Member of the state elections board. I believe its bad policy. At the end of the day we need to be able to hold counties accountable, but the challenge is when you have unelected chairmen of the state election board, whos going to hold them accountable . They dont report to the voters. Reporter republicans say they protect Election Integrity and ensure Election Officials dont overstep authority. But to some advocates, that Explanation Rings follow with still no evidence of widespread fraud. It has nothing to do with Election Integrity and everything to do with the opposite. Its an attack on our democracy. And Sara Murray joins us now. So, sara, Arizonas Governor who i should point out say republican. Is he expected to sign the bill . That strips the secretary of her powers . They do expect hes going to sign it. This is part of a broader budget bill. When i was speaking with Katie Hobbs earlier today, she said she is fully expects the governor is going to move forward with that. Theyre already thinking about their next options. Essentially she said all legal options are on the table as of now, john. Sara murray, terrific report. Thank you so much. Up next the urgent Building Inspections prompted by this disaster here in surfside, florida. Welcome to allstate, are you down, dddown, dddown, dddown where were driving down the cost of insurance. Are you down, down ddown, down . Are you drivers who switched saved over 700. Allstate. Here, better protection costs a whole lot less. Youre in good hands. Hi guys check out this side right here. Youwhatd you do . Ds. Tell me know you did it. Yeah. Get a little closer. Thats insane. Thats a different car. Thats the same car. No yeah, thats before, thats after. Oh, thats awesome. Make it nu with nu finish. Tonight, as crews search the rubble of a Condo Collapse here in surfside, florida, there is urgent work being done at other buildings in florida to make sure it doesnt happen again. Cnns Brian Todd joins us with that. Brian, you were in sunny isle up The Street from here. You were going on some of these initial inspections. What were they looking for . They were looking for cracks in the foundation, compromises in the rebar. Any crumbling. Significant damage. They were finding a lot of it at this complex, the winston towers. Its a complex of seven buildings, many of them with a similar layout to the Champlain South Complex where the pool is on the side of the building, the garage is underneath the pool. And these buildings were about the same age if not older than the Champlain Towers complex. There was a ton of cracking, exposed rebar, exposed posttension bars which take the place of rebar. Theyre steel bars that reinforce the concrete. When those get exposed, especially when theres salty air coming in from the sea, thats a problem. Theyve got to replace it. Some of this looks horrific to us. But the Building Inspectors say its not enough to worry about the building come down but its got to be addressed. They have to do this for thousands of buildings. Theyre being very transparent about the process. It takes two to three years more they started this process of identifying this and repairing this building six months to a year before this happened. Its going to take them another two to three years to complete that work. You figure thats going to go on for thousands of buildings in South Florida now. You see whats ahead. Its building after building. Just drive up the coast here, it goes on forever and forever

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