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One specific isolated area. Definitely weather, it enhances. With the water as were making en entry, as we tunnel into certain areas. Like i mentioned, when we find a void and want to go further, deep tore see if there is a deeper void to see if there is different findings. There is concern with Rain And Debris and sliding. It an extremely dangerous sit Bas Situation and cant emphasize enough what were doing. You know, its a very, very difficult and challenging situation and were doing the best we can, what were trained to do and definitely continue moving forward. Final question in english and well switch to spanish. [ Indiscernible Question ] we had our Building Official go through the Champlain North and East And Address concerns a top to Bottom Evaluation to determine whether or not the buildings are structurally sound and we might be able to make a determination whether or not there is an issue there in the meantime the residents have been given the option to relocate with fears in regards to the structural integrity. Id like to add i came from the meetings with the family, they will have five or six to give comfort to families. We seem to be constantly and i believe we are increasing the numbers of Search And Rescue team members that are available so that was something the family was happy to hear. Good evening. Im erin burnett. Youve been listening to a News Conference on the catastrophic condo collapse. The mayor of miamidade said one more person was found dead. Confirmed dead are 11 and 150 people are unaccounted for. They are talking about another team from the Idf And Israel coming in adding people but there are hundreds scouring the debris. Weve obtained, though, some documents that show the condos owners were about to face assessments for 15 Million worth of repairs to the building. Those retpairs include fixes to the Roof And Facade to issues that were raised, actually, three years ago, three years ago they were raised in a 2018 report thats very troubling. Theyre now dealing with them. They were going to deal with them now. At the time they were warned of a major structural damage to the building including cracks below the Pool And Parking Garage And Cnn learning of an email from a resident in the building to a Town Commissioner in 2019 that warned nearby construction is digging too close to our property adding we have concerns regarding the structure of our building. All of these pieces to the puzzle adding up. Coming as president biden now calls for a federal investigation into the disaster as officials are racing to inspect dozens of other buildings in the area from top to bottom including what you heard the Mayor Reference the other two Champlain Towers to see if the buildings are safe and secure. Boris is in surfside. They gave a lot of information. They confirmed 11 people dead. What is the latest on the invest investigation . Erin, the mayor confirming Search Crews are making significant progress in their efforts despite that, these families are still in excruciating Agony Waiting to find answers for Loved Ones and demanding answers how this could have happened as very significant reports raise some red flags. We do obviously, need to identify why this happened. Urging patience, officials in South Side, florida vowing to get answers tonight. Something that be will be very thorough and wont happen in a day or two. This will take a long time. Thats the time horizon they work on. As rescue Crews Race to sight lives, investigators and engineers studying the potential causes of thursdays collapse. A report done three years ago by a Consulting Company hired by the Condo Association is raising serious questions and an engineer describing major structural damage to the Concrete Slap under the Entrance Drive and the pool. The report said quote, the waterproofing below the Pool Deck and Entrance Drive as well as all of the Planter Waterproofing is beyond its useful life and therefore must all be completely removed and replaced. The 2018 survey called for quick repairs to prevent bigger problems. Warning quote, failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand. Documents obtained by Cnn Show Condo owners were facing assessments for 15 Million in repairs. Payments were supposed to begin days before the building collapse. The report was sent to a Building Official who two days later assured residents the tower was in very good shape according to meeting minutes obtained by cnn. The Engineering Firm said it had been retained this month by the Condo Association for the buildings massive repair project. The company says Roof Repairs were taking place at the time of the collapse but concrete restoration had not yet started. Residents voiced concerns about Water Leaking and cracked concrete in the garage with the tower frequently shaking amid construction next door. He no longer works for the City Of Surfside has not yet responded to Cnns Request for comment. James kcohen says the Report Di not include key details about the foundation and didnt indicate any immediate danger. There is nothing i saw that would suggest people needed to vacate the building. The inspection did not include the foundations, which would be covered by a slab. It may have been prudent to open up the slab to see how things were doing below where one could s see. Erin, a quick note on the 15 Million worth of repairs, that was approved by the Condo Association a couple months ago in april, and residents of the building were supposed to start Making Payments on it on 11 1st, one week from when the building came crashing down. Thank you very much. I want to go to Steve Rosenthal who survived the collapse. He was unit over from where it collapsed. Lived in the building for more than 20 years and filed the first individual lawsuit against the Champlain Towers association. I appreciate your time and to be one away, just got to be reliving it every moment here that youve had since. Let me ask you about what happened. You were there. 1 30 in the morning in your apartment in bed and then what do you remember in that moment, in those seconds . Well, i remember i was sleeping, and i heard the loudest Thunder Clap i ever heard in my lifetimes 100 and im going okay, you know, its miami. Its a storm coming in. It going to be a big storm and five seconds later, the bed is shaking, the room is shaking and im going, all right, im in a dream in california. Then five seconds later, dust is falling from the ceiling and its hitting my face and im going this is no dream. This is real. I jump up, went to the Living Room to open up the i think its an earthquake. All i can think of is that it was an earthquake and i open up the sliding Glass Door and i saw nothing but dust. I went to the door to the hallway, nothing but dust. Then i went all right, im in the middle of it. This is a one in a 10,000 Year Earthquake that hits florida and i put on some pants, a tshirt, packed a Shopping Bag with some items, open up the door again to see if i could get out the Fire Escape and all i saw was cement, rubble, wood, People Yelling help me, get me out, help me and i ran to the balcony and was praying that the building didnt fall on me, collapse on me. I mean got rescued by Fire Rescue, i guess, about an Hour Or Hour and a half later and its pretty unbelievable. I mean, it certainly is. I mean, god, i listen to you steve, and im thinking about people who may have been unlucky enough to have the first part of that experience and then it ended so differently or they were trapped or, you know, i mean, im sure you thank god every moment that youre alive. You know, i know you shared absolutely. You talk about when you opened your door. You said a moment ago it was completely blocked of concrete and steel. I know you have a picture of it to put up on the screen. The one you shared with us, steve. Okay. How did you get out of the building and i guess as part of that, when did you realize this was not an earthquake and that an entire building attached to yours had fallen down . Okay, when i looked when i was on the balcony i thought it was an earthquake so im looking to see the damage across the street or fires in the city of Miami Or Something and i saw there was no damage to the Tennis Court and to the houses and other buildings. Im going well, this is probably because of the roof. We were doing some they were doing roofing work. Thats all that came to Mind And Someone on another balcony, said the whole building in the back collapsed. We went the building in the back, the whole Tower Collapsed . What does that mean . They said its collapsed, its gone. Were all sitting there shaking going well, are we going to collapse . You know, because the fire officials are going you need to evacuate. You need to evacuate. You couldnt go down the fire stairs. And so we had to wait for the Fire Rescue to come up with the ladder and get pulled in. And thats how we got out. I mean, so gosh, this is just its incredible. I mentioned, steve, at the beginning you have filed the first individual lawsuit. You know the building well. I know youve lived there for 20 years, unless im mistaken and im about to speak to a lawyer who sued the Condo Association a few years ago in 2015 specifically over cracks in a residents unit. And now were learning about that 2018 report from an engineer who warned of major structural damage to the building. Residents felt shaking and concerned about construction from a building next door. You mentioned the roof construction. Do you did you have any concerns about the building, anything that made you feel deeply unsettled recently . Honestly, erin, i lived On The Beach for 20 years and had condos On The Beach and there is always crack on the balconies from Salt Water and erosion and sun. So seeing cracks here and there didnt bother me. I was not aware of structural damage and a report from 2019 of a 9 Million assessment that turned into a 15 Million assessment three years later. I was not aware of that. That shows significant, significant issues they were not aware of. Thank you very much. Appreciate your sharing this and i am glad youre okay i appreciate it. Erin, if i can thank the community and volunteers and charity people that have stepped up have been totally amazing. Appreciate it. They have been great. Thank you. Danielle wagner is an attorney for a resident that sued the Champlain Towers in 2015. I just referenced them to steve. There was Water Damage due to cracks in the building. The resident did settle with the Condo Association. That condo is gone. It is gone. Today it was destroyed in the collapse. Thankfully, the resident was not home at that time. So danella, your client among the very, very lucky. Tell me, though, because this is all looking as if there was there were problems, they were serious problems. They became excruciatingly serious problems causing a near doubling in the amount of money they were going to asses people for. All this happening in the past few years. So your Clients Story becomes very crucial in this timeline. What damage did your client see in the unit . Well, erin, thank you for having me first and foremost, i want to thank al the first responders, everybody that has been helping out here at the site. I was here with my Wife Yesterday Volunteering so i want to thank all the volunteers, as well as my heart and prayers go out to the families of those affected. My in that case, my Clients Unit was getting Water Instrintrusion from the exterior walls. Her unit sat at the east side of the building facing the ocean in front of the pool. So those walls were gravely affected during from extreme weather events, salt, Et Cetera and its one of those situations where the walls were crumbling. The stucco was off. The concrete was exposed and so was some Steel Rebar that we seen through that exposed wall. Obviously, rebar will become crucial here. You know, not something we hear about a lot but i think its going to become really crucial what was happening there with that crucial material in the wall. Was the Problem Daniel ever fixed and, you know, after the settlement when they quote unquote did whatever they did to fix it, were there continued signs of damage to your Clients Unit . Well, we filed a lawsuit to hold the Building Accountable for the damage to my Clients Unit due to the Water Intrusion from the exterior walls. The situation is such that once the water got into the unit, obviously, they were notified accordingly. Unfortunately, had to result in a lawsuit being filed for them to take action to correct the problems. Once the settlement occurred, which was under confidentiality so i cant speak to the terms of it, its my understanding they did do some patch work. Some work to the exterior walls but obviously, it persisted. So much so that as recent as april of 2021, my client sent me a photograph that she took where again, the stucco was breaking off. The concrete was exposed and rebar was showing as corroded. Wow. And it was still happening and it was getting worse. I mean, youre seeing corroded rebar. Was your client aware of other residents with similar complaints . I have not been made aware of other parties during that time period. I have been receiving information from other parties, other residents that the situation was for lack of a better tomorrow a little ramped. Its unfortunate the 2015 lawsuit that we handled was not addressed or was not they did not take it seriously enough to deal with those issues more intently throughout the entire building. Before you go, let me ask you, obviously, you know, im using the Word Client because i dont want to say who she is and thats confidential, was she still living there . It seems miraculous that she was not in the building during this when so many lost their lives . Yes, i would definitely say shes blessed. She was not in the building at the time nor was her family. Thank god shes safe. Thank you very much daniel for your time tonight. Thanks. Thank you very much. Next, breaking news, tthe Mi Miami herald who visited the Condo Building before the collapse said there was water all over the garage. Prosecutors could charge Trump Org this week but said no cooperation, no flipping, no nothing. Why . His former daughterinlaw is my guest and diehard supporters think the president will be back and soon. 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We treat every customer like we would treat our own moms. Because thats what they deserve. Breaking news the Miami Herald reporting a Pool Company noticed Standing Water all over the garage and the Pool Equipment Room he saw cracked concrete, exposed rebar, there it is again, exposed rebar and a wet floor in the Pool Equipment Room. The contractor says he saw the issues while there to prepare a bid for a cosmetic restoration of the pool and new equipment. This is another photo that he says shows severe corrosion in the room. Thats unbelievable. Contractor said he took these photos he shared with The Herald to show the job could be complicated. He declined to say if the association was aware of the issues. Sarah broke this joining me on the phone. Sarah, you know, the pictures are disturbing. They look like a building thats, you know, thats been destroyed and uninhabited. Theyre horrible. Tell me what the Contractor Saw and shared with you. The contractor told me hes been in some quote scary buildings before. Cracks arent that unusual in miami but he said that amount of Standing Water was and what he saw in that Pool Equipment Room that he photographed and sent to his boss, he also said that was, you know, a laralarming to him. He wondered to himself immediately why is this building not maintaining itself better . Why havent they taken care of this problem . Because that problem doesnt just happen overnight and he knows that. Hes a contractor. He works on pools and he saw that and thought okay, well, theyre going to need to repair the structural slab up there under the pool that hes looking at so hes thinking, telling his boss well have to remove pipes and other things. This job will be more complicated even if were just coming in here to do a cosmetic repair. Theyre going to have to do something to those structural slabs. Thats what he told me was going through his mind as he saw that two days before the collapse. And sarah, what is incredible, too, is something you said there, which i know is obvious but i want to emphasize, which it doesnt happen overnight. You dont have a room look like that overnight. It comes because of a long time of not doing maintenance. The contractor told you, i believe, he was so concerned and alarmed because you used that word, that, you know, he didnt tell his boss we have to make this bid more expensive he flagged it to a member of the staff because he was so alarmed two days before the building collapsed. What did he say to the Building Member and what did they say back . Well, what he flagged the Building Member was the Standing Water in the garage so apparently, about half way between the North And South walls inside the garage this is a basement level garage, right underneath the Pool Deck, he said wow and thats a lot of Standing Water. Whats going on there . And what the Staff Member, the maintenance Staff Member told him was he thought it had to do with the waterproofing on the tiles of the Pool Deck above and the reason that thats important or stands out there is a 2018 Inspection Report on this building that says there was major error in the design of that Pool Deck allowing water to pool and causing that pooling water then caused severe structural damage to the slabs below. So what he saw was the Standing Water right beneath the area that that report flagged. And you then took all this information, sarah, i know you spoke to an engineer and concrete Restaurant Expert about these details and asked directly could this have contributed to the collapse . What did they tell you . Whats pictured they told me was alarming, but the important thing to remember is that that picture is actually of an area that is along the South Side of the buildings lower level. The part that collapsed is the North Side of the building. So what is pictured didnt actually collapse. The two concerns are this, one, if other structural slabs and other beams look like what is in that picture and other parts of the building where there is more weight on top of it where the actual 12story Structure sits on top of it, the expert i spoke to said that absolutely could have been a reason for a collapse. The other thing is even though that beam is away from the collapse zone, my understanding from the experts that i spoke to is that the way the building is built, this asymmetric shape means that even if something fails that isnt directly in the collapse site, it can cause twisting that pulls on other parts of the building and can cause another failure if indeed there was another part that was weakened from those years of water further away. It is possible that this Beam Contributeded but we just dont know. Gosh, all we know is that lots and lots of small mistakes and not having maintenance and not having maintenance, all of a sudden you have a straw that breaks the camels back. That breaking reporting from the investigation. I want to ga to po to Pablo Rod now. Weve been speaking to him since the first day this happened and pablo, of course, your Mother And Grandmother are still unaccounted for. Im so sorry for that. You hear this reporting from the Miami Herald the damage in the garage. The Standing Water. The pictures he took of the pool. He was struck maintenance. He was alarmed. Whats your reaction when you hear all of that . My reaction,e erin, it confirms what i felt initially. Buildings dont collapse here in america. Buildings dont fall down by themselves. The fact this confirms the maintenance was not done over the many years. The board collects over A Million dollars in Maintenance Fees every single year. Where was that money going because it wasnt going to maintenance . In 2019 the damage was so severe, why didnt they do anything . They waited until 2021 to try to start beginning do something and those pictures and the article that came out i read on the way over here, i have no words for that. In 2018, 9 Million and double it in three years and say the crisis they have to do it. I mean, pablo, i am so struck by something you told me the first time we spoke which is that your mother had been really tired the night this happened because the day before she was awoke in the middle of the night with creaking noises and loud like i dont know if you described it as a bang but loud noise so she wasnt able to sleep the rest of the night and it was stuff coming from the walls. So now you hear about all these other things, i mean, it just its hard not to think about that moment that that what she heard its hard not to replay that. Youre 100 correct, erin. It hard not to replay that in your mind over and over again. It was loud enough for her to mention it woke her up, the creaking noises from the building. You see the pictures how did they not tell people it was in this horrible of a condition . The rebar was exposed. The contractor confirms that the maintenance doesnt happen overnight like that. Its shocking that they allowed it to get like this. Its negligence and their negligence caused a lot of death here. I know not just my family. I feel strongly for that. I know youve provided dna and you want to know, you want to know what happened. You want to be able to grieve. You i do. Are still waiting for the news of your Mother And Grandmother. How are you how are you handling that, this not knowing and i know your 6yearold son having to deal with him not knowing, how are you pacing yourself through this . Its extremely difficult, erin. Were trying to keep it together for him. He keeps asking us where is ama and when are they coming over . Why dont you face time them . Call the people looking for them and they can find them to come over now. We dont have anything to tell him. We have no news. Its been very difficult. I pass by here. Today is the first day im on site in this area i can see the building and i got out of the car and i just completely broke down. The Guard Rail Wasnt there. I would have ended up on the floor crying. It was completely overwhelming and its very difficult not knowing and really the only hope i have is that they find them. We can have some kind of proper burial and close sure and hope they investigate this and the people responsible are held to be responsible. Theyre held to be accountable so this never happens again. We need serious reform in Condo Boards and building inspections. 40 years before an inspection. The internet didnt exist when this building was made and were letting it continue on at the hope that the board does the right thing. Pablo, thank you. Thanks, erin. I want to go to dr. Howard leberman now, hes working with the rescue crews. You hear pablo and his grief. He still does not have answers about his Mother And Grandmother desperately wants them. Can you tell me what is happening . We know there is hundreds of people who are on and off of that site trying desperately to find family members, but what is happening at the site . So as you know, weve been here since the very beginning and we havent stopped and every day were getting more and more resources, more and more assets coming in. Were literally working 24 7. We have so many people out there with such great specialties. We have people raising, you know, Concrete Slabs that Weigh Thousands of Pounds Side by side people using their hands and buckets to take up smaller pieces of debris. This goes on 24 7. This is not stopping. This hasnt stopped. We are committed to this. You know, this story, your previous guest breaks all of our hearts and we are not stopping. We are keeping on going. Weve had a few Delays Buzz of weather but aside from that, were determined to just keep going until every single piece of debris is removed. Doctor, pablo from the beginning has been both grieving and outraged and heart broken and realistic. But of course, people are hoping and praying for there are some miracles that come out of this situation, even know. I want to play something the Assistant Fire Chief said today. Here he is, doctor. There are certain areas that we have not gotten to but been able to place cameras that seem to have large enough spaces, voids that occupants may still be in there. So its been more than 113 hours since the building collapsed. Doctor, you know, when you think about this, do you believe there could be anyone alive in there . You know, you hear it before and everyone says you cant give up hope and, you know, the reality is you cant determine something until your job is done. As a trama surgeon, ive on occasion kouncounted outpatient didnt think would survive and they did. Same thing here. People can survive. Depends if there is a void long enough, large enough, what their overall Health Condition is, young or old. Are they in a collapsed area next to a fridge with food. The rainwater coming trickling in. There is a lot of different factors that could, you know, help and aid Someones Survival and prolong it. All right. Well, thank you very much, doctor. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Next, with criminal charges possibly looming, the Trump Organization had one last Chance Today to try to get prosecutors to go away, the former daughter of law of Allen Weisselberg could be facing charges, she is next. What former Attorney General Bill Barr is now saying about trumps Big Lie. All by yourself. You look a little lost. I cant find my hotel. Oh. Oh this is not normal. No. So . Right . Go with us and find millions of flexible options, all in our app. Expedia. It matters who you travel with. Im really nervous. Expedia. I dont know what i should wear. Just wear something not too crazy, remember its a Business Dinner not a Costume Party. On a spotty network this is what she heard. Just wear something crazy, remember its a Costume Party. A Costume Party . Yes anybody want to split a Turkey Leg . Tonight lawyers for the Trump Organization making a final effort to enpersuade the office not to pursue criminal charges against the company. Two Sides Meeting after prosecutors said it would likely soon face criminal charges in connection specifically with the benefits given to company employees. Decision on that could come as soon as this week. Prosecutors also expected to charge chief financial Officer Allen Wi Al Al Al Allen Weisselberg. Cara is out front and breaking so many details of the story. Thank you. Now Donald Trump is responding to the investigation tonight. Obviously, it is coming very close to him. What is he saying . Erin, i think the reality that the former president s company could face criminal charges is something that has really set in. He issued a lengthy statement again call thing a Witch Hunt and politically motivated but seemed to reflect on the obvious pressure that has been on weisselberg that he doesnt identify by name, he does say that prosecutors continue to be in search of a crime and will do anything to frighten people into making up the stories or lies they want that have been totally unable to get. Now, this statement follows the meeting that occurred today between lawyers for the Trump Organization and the district attorneys office, really this last Ditch Effort to persuade prosecutors not to charge the company in connection with the failed payment of taxes on some of these benefits that were paid to employees including Allen Weisselberg. You know, our understanding is that nothing has fundamentally changed as a result of this meeting and we could still see charges against the company and Allen Weisselberg as soon as this week. An attorney for Weaez Weisselbe Decline d to comment but Donald Trumps personal attorney last week said he expects they will enter a plea of not guilty and ask the judge to dismiss the case. Erin . Cara, thank you very much. I want to bring in jennifer weisselberg, the former daughterinlaw of Allen Weisselberg, youve known the family for more than two decades. Jennifer, i know youve helped prosecutors and cooperated in what they are working to build their case regarding the Trump Organization and Allen Weisselberg, your former father in law. Whats your reaction to hear charges could come this week . Originally it was this fall. This is a lot faster than people had thought. Im not surprised because i think the evidence has been there for years. I think that justice for the weisselberg family, barry, allen and the Trump Organization as well as Donald Trump himself is just a matter of time. I think the investigation is serious and that i have been meeting with them in the last few weeks, but out of respect for the investigation, im not supposed to talk about the details of that. Right. And thats because they want to succeed in this investigation and that justice is really important. Right. Its important for people to know youve been meeting with them frequently in recent weeks and i understand you Cant Talk about some of the retails. Here is the thing, prosecutors have been Pressuring Weisselberg to cooperate with them for months as you and i have talked about before but lawyers said no, they recently said to prosecutors hes not going to cooperate. Why do you think that is . Hes always believed and been enabled that donald will save him. Thats been his life. Hes always been saved by donald. There is a guy to fix eve everything. He will hold on until the last minute until hes shocked at something they bring to the table but im thinking donald is promising him hell be saved. I think hes loyally, blindly, blindly loyal. Counting on Donald Trump. Yeah, hes being a little blind to the facts. You know, his loyalty has put blinders on him and that includes his belief that his son barry has no criminality, that he believes everything his son says, but surprise, surprise, i just dont think its going to work out that way. I know youve given over so many documents about Barry Weisselberg and things he did which could be very important because if they have something there that of course puts a lot more pressure on barrys dad allen. So last time we spoke on television, you said without hesitation when i asked you whether Allen Weisselberg would flip on Donald Trump, you said yes but hes still holding out. Hes still not there. You know, do you think that he has a Strike Tategy for this . I thought he would flip because i thought he would care more about doing the right thing but realized he doesnt have any ev empathy. There is a lack of integrity there and i thought he might do the right thing because he could do the right thing by his grandchildren and his children and be an example and just step out of the trump bubble, but it doesnt look like thats the case. Hes not flipping. Thats the truth. Hes absolutely not. I think hes also i think the trump lawyers and his lawyers are paid for by trump and so i think the minute that it affects his pocket, it might change things. But youre saying now, your understanding is trump is paying for it . Right. So weisselberg was spotted the Washington Post got a picture of him driving into work at the Trump Power as if, you know, life is normal. Right. That hes going into the office. And just to be clear here, jennifer, there is the car. He is expected to be charged. Right . These charges could carry significant prison time if proven, right . This would be the end of any life that he had expected to have if this goes that direction. But he just seems to not be worried. Hes always gotten away with it. What theyre getting away with in the civil case is unbeloveable. There is i dont think anything theyve done their Litigation Tactics are far from legal but always gotten away with it. If you get away with it for 50 years, he lives in a bubble where he believes Everything Trump says. I think the day will come very soon when there are some things that are still being put forth to the d. A. s office that he will not be able to answer for because he wont be prepared. Some surprises. Some surprises. Yes. This is really crucial and part of where you come in with your extensive knowledge of the family, him, the financials of what happened. Youre talking about surprises. I know youve been meeting with prosecutors over a week ago. You Cant Talk about details of that but you may end up testifying in front of the Grand Jury. When do you think that may be . That I Cant Comment on. You Cant Comment on . No. But youre reprepare snd. Oh, yes. Were prepared and getting prepared, yes. Let me ask you about jeffrey. Obviously, works very senior Finance Executive and knows a lot and been there since the beginning. And works for reports and he recently testified in front of a Grand Jury and will appear again according to our sources. Hell be right back and i know you know him well. Yes, he was at my wedding, as well, yes. What do you think of him and the question to contextize this, trump, one family thing, how concerning could his testimony be to trump and Allen Weisselberg . Its concerning but im getting the feeling of jeff is a very honest guy. Hes sort of like myself. They never counted on him rising up. He wasnt a Decision Maker in the company. He was the guy that took the train in the corner they used and abused and expected to do the right things. But he was the in house accountant. You know, i used to work at trump world tower, Say Jeff the lights arent on, can you pay the bill . Hes the guy there doing numbers. That being said, i think there is a lot of fear. I heardest still going to work as well and whether they tell you to shut up or not, the idea is be very careful. Youre controlled. Like your house, your childrens tuition, your livelihood relies on you doing the right thing by us. This is where your bread is buttered. Right. Every day when you walk into the office. Right. So Obstruction Of Justice doesnt necessarily have to be said literally but its implied. Uhhuh. Crucial point. Jennifer, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Good to see you in person. I just want to note, we reached out to Allen Weisselbergs legal team and they did decline to comment and a lawyer for the Trump Organization did not respond to our request for comment. Also tonight, all b. S. A new book on Bill Barr is reporting that is how he summed up trumps Big Lie that the election was stolen, which trump was repeating just this weekend, barr is breaking silence on repeated efforts by trump that trump wanted to get bar to push the big Lie And Trump was enraged when he said no. Jessica schneider is out front. Reporter former Attorney General William Barr is finally talking about the time period following the 2020 election when then President Trump put repeated pressure on the Justice Department to investigate false Cl Claims of election fraud. This is total fraud and how the Fbi And Department of justice, i dont know, maybe theyre involved but how people are alawlowed to get away with stuff is terrible. Reporter they said trump lashed out after barr gave an interview December 1st where Barr Flatout said there is no evidence of wide spread fraud. When barr went to visit the White House later that afternoon, he was summoned to meet with trump who asked did you say that . Barr responded yes. Trump shot back how the f could you do this to me . Why did you say it . Because its true barr responded and trump turned to talking about himself in the third person saying you must hate trump, you must hate trump. Barr recounted how he personally looked into some allegations from balance being moved around in detroit to claims voting machines around the country were lig rigged to switch trump votes to B Biden votes. We realized from the beginning it was b. S. Barr said and the legal Team Lobbying Challenges was a joke. This would take a Cracker Jack Team with a disciplined strategy, instead you have a Clown Show Barr told trump inside the president s Dining Room and barr said the former president agreed with the Clown Show Comparison saying you may be right about that. Well look at dead persons ballots which may actually be very, very shubstantial. Trump was relying on giuliani to lead the legal fight and hes temporarily suspended of practicing law in new York State because of his role in undermining the Election But B barrs recounting of the election now doesnt make up for the outlandish concerns prior counterfeiting, counterfilling the ballot. Delivered into namailboxes and n be taken out. Reporter the Green Light was given to investigate substantial allegations of Voting Irregularities overturning standard Doj Policy until after an election is certified. Were learning from this new interview even them Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell want the barr to speak out sooner than he did telling the Attorney General trumps claims were damaging to the country telling barr youre in a better place. Youre the only one who can do it. Trump issued a seething statement references the Mcconnell Revelation saying he never fought for the White House and blew it for the country. Too bad i backed him in kentucky. He would have been primaried and lost. Based on press reports he convinced his buddy Bill Barr to get the corrupt election done, over with and sealed for biden asap. Bill barr says the former president not only Press Himd on the election but yelled about the fact the doj had not prosecuted Joe Bidens Son hunter or the former Fbi Director james comey. The pressure, erin, lingered after barr resigned in december. A string of recently released emails shows trump allies pressed the acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to also investigate. The author of the new Book Hatchet Man how Bill Barr broke the code. Youve studied Bill Barr inside and out writing a book. What do you think his motivation is to speak out like this right now . Image rehabilitation, pure simple. Bill barr has always been very conscious of his image and the way hes per seceived and wants to remember amp the election he finally way out against the Big Lie. Hes not reminding us publicly hs was one of the biggest cheerleaders in the Big Lie leading up to the election. Like Bill Barr helped light a fire, fanned the flames, watched it burn and then threw his brink on it. Keep it straight. One of the biggest perpetrate owners the Big Lie. Its on him. Donald trump repeatedly attacked former Attorney General Loretta Lynch for her metering on the tarback with former President Bill clinton in 2016 saying the meeting was disgraceful, perhaps the lowest point in doj history. Look, it wasnt good. But what does pressuring your Attorney General to overturn an election, which trump did. Bill barr is very clear, he did, how does that rate . Theres a really important point to be made here. The reason that people had problems with bill Clinton Meeting with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac to varying extense, absolutely imappropriate. As Attorney General you cannot give appearance of a conflict of interest. Appearance of political interference because thats contrary to Everything Doj is about. Contrast that with what Donald Trump turned around and did 20 times worse. He directly ordered or asked his Attorney General to politicize the Justice Department and to do his bidding. Not even a comparison there. Elie, thank you, appreciate your time. Next, former President Obama tearing into former President Trump for the Big Lie. And a chilling warning about what might happen if Donald Trump returns. The militia will be taken over. In a Civil War. Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about well, the names have all changed since you hung around welcome back, america. It sure is good to see you. New tonight, former President Obama slamming former President Trump for pushing the Big Lie the election was stolen calling trumps fabrication a bump of hooey. Unfortunately trump supporters believed his life leading to the insurrection and at trumps major rally since leaving office, support growing for a new and baseless Conspiracy Theory that trump could be reinstated as president if the Arizona Audit claims he won the state. Joining us on outfront. The first big major rally since he lost. He didnt lose. He didnt lose. I know he didnt lose. Your shirt says trump won. Yes, he d. About 2016 . Its about all of them and 2020 and the next one. But he lost in 2020. Right . No, no. Reporter do you think what happened on the 6th Of January is a stain on his presidency . This was all staged. I truly believe that. Reporter Conspiracy Theories about the Election And Insurrection of par for the course at trump rallies, but know another false notion is circulating among some trump supporters that he could be reinstated as president later this summer. What do you hope to hear today. Hes coming back. Reporter coming back in 2024 sgrr. Sooner. And you guys are going down. Reporter and saying this could lead to the election being overturned. Stay tuned for arizonas we need two states. Going to be a very interesting time. How do you govern when you xwloft when you lost . Do you think the elections going to be overturned in some way . Absolutely. The military already knows it was a fraud. He won by over 80 . You genuinely believe hes coming back, an soon as before the middle of august. What if that doesnt happen. Well be in a Civil War because the militia will be taking over. Reporter among trump supporters at his rally in Ohio Saturday . Always want to talk to a proud boy. No. Reporter wearing a proud Boys Tshirt and believed to be associates with the group charged in their alleged involvement in the insurrection. A bit of the stain of all the violence, a stain on his presidency . No, i dont. I dont think so. I was there. Reporter were you up at the capitol . Yeah. We was there. Reporter yeah. Didnt go in. None of that stuff. I dont believe in tearing up the capitol. Reporter youre a three percenter . Some of being held, yeah, and a lot questioned. Reporter do you think your guys who went inside shouldnt have gone inside, or what . Yeah. I thought they shouldnt have wept inside. Youre worked up in that Moment And Adrenaline is pumping. I mean, it just just happens. Reporter are you worried that we would see more violence . Yeah. I honestly believe its coming. Incredible to have those conversations and said i honestly believe its coming. That conversation, powerful that youre able to have conversations to get these responses, but one man in your story said there would be a Civil War if Trump Wasnt reinstated and when you hear these things how worried are you when you hear it . Pretty chilling. Two nights before the insurrection we were in georgia at a Trump Ral Pip pumped up for January Ofth saying the election would be overturned, almost an exact phrase, a man there, what happens if on Wednesday January 6th the election . Nover turned, he said, there could be a Civil War. Doney, thank you for the incredible reporting and thanks to all of you for being with me. Anderson starts now. Good evening from cerfside, florida. Im John Berman if nor anderson tonight. 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