Move materials, the better a chance that you hurt or disrupt whatever is underneath it. They have two active fires going on at that site. The men and women are working on top of one of them. You will see pictures and videos of this. I wanted to start with thinker because of the significance and the eeriness of this. The last time i saw an image like that is when our first responders were standing on the buildings that had been the Trade Centers and were working through smoke that was so acrid and so choking, and they worked tirelessly because they wanted to find who was there and give answers to the families. And its happening once again here in florida right now. Those men and women are working on top of an active burn, okay . And that is dangerous. They are trying to manage risk. They are standing on top 12 layers of building. Its all been so exprcompressedd its been so challenging. There is zero quit in anyone that i saw on that site. And its really important that the families and communities understand that. I know these guys from Task Force 2. Weve seen their work in haiti where they pulled people out after days. Ive seen them work hurricanes. They were at 9 11. They know what theyre doing. Theyre the Best Of The best, and they are so committed. And they know the task is giant. 159 missing. Now, they look at it in two ways. You have unaccounted for, which are people who are known to have been in the building and they cant find versus people who are missing, meaning, they dont know where they are. There are two different numbers. They are being combined in that 159. But all we need to know for right now is the number is big and there is a need for miracle here is. A Prayer Wall has jumped up just like after 9 11, missing posters of people looking for Loved Ones. Now, of course, that was terror and it was of an unimaginable scale. I lived it, i watched those families pain, i understand it. It is happening on a microlevel in this community and every bit as real for the families waiting for an unbelievably large number. This doesnt happen in america. Buildings dont collapse under their own weight inexplicably in the middle of the night. And that happened here, and its raising questions not just about the people who are desperate for answers for their Loved Ones in tower, but all along this block, there are buildings of a similar age point, 40ier recertification stage. Does this mean anything for them . So i wanted to show you what We Saw at the site. And as i see whats going on, ill explain for you what it was. First, the idea of two active burns. Theyre using that hose right now as steady pressure on a fire that is deep within. Somethings burning. Could be smoldering, could be active, could be not, hard for them to know. Theyre still working on top of it. And you have a blessing in florida, because of all the trouble that they have with natural disasters, you have these Search And Rescue forces, these Task Forces, they have a number of them. Theyre rotating them in and out. This picker that you see with the alpha on it, that has been explained as, hey, is that the right way to look for bodies . Theyre not looking for bodies. The area has been cleared. This is after that, to move materials out of the way, potential opportunities to find new avenues of ingress. This is not how theyre looking for Loved Ones. Its not accurate and not fair to the efforts and not fair to the families. So i wanted you to see that. And i wanted you to see a piece of footage of what the work actually looks like in realtime of how they separate layers. They call it delayering. You have all of these sections of the building on top of Each Other. What was 100plus feet is now 40 to 50. And when you move from this to the next piece of video, please, in the control room, youll see that they have to well get it for you at some point during the show. They have to prop it up, use blocks to hold it up, send cameras in and dogs in and go Step By step. That is the reality. This is the other fire. Could it be a mattress . They dont know. They cant go in. And its very dangerous to get around it. They have a team of engineers and experts to determine how to go in safely. The men and women want to go in. These are the men and women who run into that scenario that scares us to want to stay way. But it has to be safe, because Gore Fod forbid we lose more people that are in there already. That is the reality of state of play. I just walked it. And all i know is what i saw. And what i saw would be what i would want to see if i was waiting for answers. So now lets get the details on the granular, from the coffee of the city of Miami Fire rescue Task Force to assisting with the operations, joe zaralbin. Chief z. , weve been together before. Good to see you, brother. Thank you for taking the time. First, does anything i just said not meet with your expectations of whats happening on site . You actually characterized it perfectly. So the idea of why it is so hard, why it has to be methodical, what makes it that way, help us understand. Well, you have to understand that we are in the midst of a rescue mission. Were operating under Miamidade Fire Rescue, who is in command. And their direction to us has been clear. We are in Rescue Mode and we have to treat everything we touch as such. So you characterized it perfectly when you said, it is me to theical, it is technical, it is thoughtful, as we remove each piece of debris, because if there is the potential to save a life, we have to give that person every opportunity to survive and make the situation better, not worse. Thats why you see such a technical, methodical process being undertaken. Everyone say saw in the sight that i talked to, where are you in your hope window, everyone answered immediately, this is hard, they could be in there. Is that the kind of confidence you have to carry just to go the job. Or is that experience saying, the possible is in there . Its both. Its both. We carry hope, because thats what drives us. But we have experience that tells us, it has happened before. Take haiti as an example. We were there for the earthquake. Fivestory Pancake Collapse, similar to this type of collapse. We operated for about 72 hours in a Pancake Collapse structure and we were able to successfully remove five people from the structure, largely unharmed. Void spaces do exist. So we have to hold out hope and do so with an understanding that it is possible. So Something Else that was explained to me on the site, that air is getting in to the site through different corridors, and that thats what you think reignited this. This smoke is certainly more dense than weve seen since weve come today and its much thicker on site coming out of the side of the building and a separate part of the pile that has steady pressure on it. How do you with a Twofront Battle with two different burns and working on top of it . Its extremely difficult. And i have to say Miamidade Fire Rescue has done an exceptional job of keeping this fire under control to the point where we can continue to work safely. You might look at it and see, the fire has not been extinguished. We look at it as, they have done an excellent job allowing to us continue to work. Because if they werent doing such a good job, we would be forced off the pile and then, you know, nobody would have the opportunity for survival. But this is all about compromise, right . Because adding water to the pile does not help your efforts because of the density of the mix and what that does for Compression And Shifting . Help us understand that. They could have ten trucks here spraying water on this fire and we couldnt work on this pile because it would be a complete slurry. Theyre using just enough water to keep the fire under control, so we can do our job, get in there and work and try to save or access as many areas as possible, and not hinder our operations. So were undergoing a process right now where were going to expose a little bit more, maybe get them a little closer to the seat of the fire, so they can have even more effect. But the goal is allowing to us continue to work. One of the things you figured out was how to search smart, because, look, to look at it, you cant really differentiate between all 12 stories that are in there. You found another building, same architect or same layout and you walked it to help you understand where to go. And what did that tell you and what were you focusing on . When you look at the pile in the rear of the structure, the Pancake Collapse, we had to try to determine where the best place for penetration might be. So, yes, we did have diagrams, but in addition to that, there is a building three buildings down that is virtually identical. So, yes, we walked the floor plan, we developed a plan, and we began to penetrate. And thankfully, the first thing that We Saw was a mattress. So we know were in the area that we want to be, which is bedrooms, which is where you would expect people to be at 1 30 in the morning. 1 30 in the morning. 159 people, a wig number. Weve never seen a Building Clap like this in this country. Yes, oklahoma city. Yes, 9 11. Yes, youve had big fires. Those were all things that were precipitated by a mass violent event. This is different. And you dealt with it in haiti, but people look at the pile and they say, well, its not that big. Its volume, its density that is your concern. How so . When you look at it, its called a Pancake Collapse because it looks exactly like that. It looks like a stack of pancakes. And the void cases are so strong, theyre an extreme challenge to get into and determine if the people have the opportunity to survive. So when you look at the volume of material, it takes a long time to penetrate that volume of material. And what were doing is, were essentially cutting slaps, lifting them out, penetrating, searching, cutting another slab, lifting it out, penetrating, and well do that at each layer until we have largely searched many of the void spaces that exist. And even in a Pancake Collapse, void spaces do exist. I was told by people on the site, they dont think it will be like 9 11 where there was such a pulverizing of pressure that you dont find people. They think theyll find people. Theyre hoping that theyre alive. And thats the question. When you look at the realities here of whats happening, what gives you hope . What gives me hope is first and foremost the families. The families that were waiting for answers. And thats really what drives us. And mission after mission, Time After time, location after location, we see the grieving of the families, the grief on their face. And its really what drives every one of the men and women out here that are doing this job. Weapon want to bring we want to bring we want to allow them to understand exactly how this happened, why it happened, and ultimately, reunite them with their loved one. Has there been as much Signal Or Indication as there was early on . Have you guys been hearing banging, Hearing Anything . No, we havent been hearing many sounds. A lot of that occurs in the first, you know, the first few hours of the mission. So Miamidade Fire Rescue, as they came in and worked feverishly to get the most amount of people out, or access the most amount of People In the shortest amount of time that they typically could, thats typically when you hear that. We havent sincered that today, but it doesnt mean that we lose hope. It means we continue to drive forward. I understand what motivates the head and keeps the hands going. How about the heart . How do you deal with the emotional toll of knowing what youre doing on this pile . Knowing how singular an event it is. And how important it is to this community. And really all eyes of the country . Its incredibly difficult for the men and women who do this work. But again, they find solace in the fact that they know that they are doing it for the families that are waiting for answers to find out what has happened to their Loved Ones. And thats what drives them and continues to drive them mission after mission after mission. All i know is being out here and seeing the community come, their faith is largely motivated by the commitment that they know is going on on that site, that you guys are acting as if you are looking for your own family. And it makes all the difference to them and the community. And i hope youre safe, as i say every time, there are the best of us and the rest of us watching you do your work. And thank you for the opportunity to talk to us Tonight and doing the job for these families. Appreciate you. Thank you. This is the chief of Task Force 2, very lucky to have multiple Task Forces. They are on that pile right now, doing the work that hopefully will make the difference to these families. I want to bring in Someone Else who knows exactly what this chief is doing, because he used to work with him. 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Lets start with an unavoidable fact that is a huge Problem And Frustration in this situation. Buildings do not just fall down on their own. Not in this country. Building standards are real. Inspections are real. Materials are real. Weve never seen anything like this. And yes, you can liken it to other things, bridges. This is a building. It is a different set of its a different set of variables, okay. And we dont see it, and thats why the answer is so important. Now, 9 11 is the last time that We Saw Buia Building Collapse ur its own weight. And of course, it was terrorism, and it was of a very different scale. But when you lived it, you see and smell similarities in the dynamics, in the challenges, and the humanity that must be noticed right now. Joe hernandez has been all over the world working to save lives from exactly those types of tragedies. He worked with Task Force 2. Hes a chief, he understands Search And Rescue and understands it as well as anyone. Joe, thank you very much. Ive been with the Task Force. Were both in 9 11. We both saw what was happening in haiti. Days in, they rescued them. And the 9 11 thing sparks comparisons, not to work on peoples hearts, but to put context in their heads about what this is, how so. Exactly whats going on. You just slowed everybody down. Everybodys wondering, guessing whats going on, why arent they in a hurry to get people out of there . Why are they taking so long . Why are the fires not out . And you just took your time to educate the public on exactly what is going on, and whats happening with those rescuers inside that pile. It takes time. Its methodical. It moves slowly. The times the fire was under control and sometimes its not. So, it definitely has picked up. We have video of this Twofront Fire that theyre dealing with, okay . One is it pillowibillowing out window. Its haze, its nighttime. When i was able to walk this site, this is what it looks like from their perspective, okay . So that is not a put an extinguisher on it, its just a mattress. You dont know how deep it is, but its significant. What does that do in terms of just choking off opportunity . We feared that in 9 11. We feared that with the rescuers that were underneath trying to save the rescuers in the building with firefighters themselves. How long can they live in that . Go back even to the pentagon. We know a lot of our brothers that had to go in and out of that building while the fires were still active, actually absorbing a lot of that Carbon Monoxide. And Carbon Monoxide is always a problem with fire. You dont know whats burning, though. Household chemicals. Whats in vehicles, whats in Building Equipment all of it. All cancercausing materials. And obviously, very noxious to the people who are inside. 100 . And then you have another front of a fire on the backside that i was able to take video of for the audience that they have a steady Stream Hose on. And then, the men and women are working on top of that fire. And obviously, Common Sense told me, you dont want to work on top of a fire. They say thats the balance. Correct. How so . Theyre trying to risk themselves, life over limb. Its one of those terms they use. Right now, theyre trying to rescue the people that are under there. Theyre willing to put themselves in harms way, to the point of going to the edge of the bridge, going to the edge of the dock and saying, im here and im going to stay here and help as much as i can until somebody forces me off or the consequences of whats going on forces me off. What was explained to me on the site was because theres a lot of people there. Theres a tremendous number of bodies ready to work. And they say, well, you cant have them on the pile. The pile is not stable. So they showed me the delayering that theyre doing. This is that steady state fire. You see the men and women on top. And on the other side of this. They do it in quadrants. Its a, b, c, and d. They do it as a square. On another side of the squad rant, there, i shot it wide. You have the guys on top that are listening and checking with a probe. And then in the middle, they have delayered, as you guys called it, and they blocked it up with wooden blocks and sent in a censor and a camera or a dog. And theyve been doing that spot by spot. This is the process. Absolutely. Theres just a few of them on top. Theyre using a Listening Device and they can pick up found, scratches, back and forth movement. So theyre trying to pick up that location. The rescuers were able to pick up that side of the pile, crib it with what cyou said, with th wood, being able to secure that area and send the canines. If the canines give a live hit, theyll confirm it for the second time, and that will be putting in a Search Camera and being able to communicate with that person and or visualize that person. Cameras have a 360 eye and a real far extension so theyll be able to see pretty far inside that pile, ie, haiti. Soio is intimate enough with the capabilities of this Task Force, because he was just recently teaching the guys on the medical suppression and having those onsite skills, he literally was just working with these guys, who are now putting those skills to work. Is there a Miracle Scenario where you use this saw, you remove a bigger block of this, and have a super event of access where you can find a lot of people at once . Absolutely. You hit that void pocket, maybe one big long piece of concrete from that piling, an ibeam, a twin t fell in a certain area and create what had we used to call that pancake. Went from a leanto now or a v s so underneath the pancake could be a couple of voids. Even a refrigerator could hold up a piece of concrete. And in this last picture, i wanted to show, you lived 9 11, you served there, you know the level of commitment. I dont think weve seen it since then. Of course, we have the Fire Jumpers and guys going out and dealing with natural disasters all over, you guys are often at them. But this picture i would like to go back to. This is the side of the building. Theres a lot of that windowmaker material, where it could fall on them and they have to remove it. But if you can go back to that silhouette picture, it hits so many of the people who were there at 9 11. What does it mean to see this . It probably gives them a reflection back to that time, as The Sun was setting, as it did for you and caught your attention, it was a reflection of the leftover of tower 1, the skeleton. Not a lot left of tower 1. We were on the East Side of that Tower Walking into that pile every day. One of the pictures i took has that same reflection. And, you know, a moment in time, it goes back to nap and i think they might reflect that. But the pouring out of the people, the pouring out of the responders and the pouring out of everyone seems to be pretty close. Thats what i wanted people to understand. The men and women there, they are all in. They are as engaged and as committed as ive ever seen and this is hard work, and its slow work. But i appreciate your perspective, chief. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. And i think, look, its important to remember. This is hard, this community is hurting. Theyre holding on to Each Other. Theyre praying for answers, literally, i saw members of several different denominations here in their own prayer groups. Theyre offering Each Other shelter. You can go to cnn. Com impact to figure out how to help. Theres so many people who have been displaced. All the people who were evacuated. The people who were lucky enough to get out. You have to talk about them, as well. There were a few dozen that managed to escape the building in the immediate aftermath. We have a couple of the survivors to talk about what it was like and what it means to them to be living in this moment of unknown right now. How did they get out and what do they hope for Everybody Else . Well be right back from surfside, florida. New Budweiser Summer patriotic cans are here to give you a red, white, and bud upgrade. Collect all three limitededition designs. New Budweiser Summer patriotic cans. Instores now. What if you could have the perspective to see more . At morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. We see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. We see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. Today, we are translating decades of experience into strategies for the road ahead. We are morgan stanley. All right. So were here in florida. Were watching the Rescue Efforts that are ongoing now. Weve never seen anything like this. And that happens in a lot of different layers. The survivors are a group of people who have lived through something that is unimaginable. And i have two people with me who Got Out, they didnt even know it was their building when they heard what was going on until they opened their door, okay . And they Got Out along with their 22yearold Son And 14yearold daughter, thank god. And i want you to meet now albert and jeannetteaguero. It is very, very good to meet you like this. It is very good to have had you made it out. Lets just do this the way it happened. 1 30 in the morning. What do you hear . Were asleep and we hear this loud thunderous sound. Dont know what it is. My initial gut was a loud clap of thunder, the power went out. I thought the building was struck by lightning. Thats honestly what happened, what i thought happened. She jumps out of bed and checks on the kids, right . The kids are fine. They say, ways going on . But then she realizes that the chandeliers and the lights in the apartment are all swinging back and forth. So we know its something more than just a storm. Weve lived through hurricane sandy. It wasnt that. Now we dont know what it is. I see the fire trucks approaching. They were great, they got here immediately. We now dont know what it is. I see a Gray Cloud Outside of the outside of the apartment building. I think its smoke, because i still think its lightning. When i open to go yell to the fire department, i realize its not smoke, theres no smell to it, and its sticking to my fingers. Its the concrete dust. And now i know that a building fell down. Still dont think its ours, because were in tact. Your unit, just so you know, if we go wide for a second, jerry, is just over here. Has the two white chairs on the balcony, second to top floor. So literally, the t, theyre on this part of the t and the other part is what had collapsed. So when you open the door and get out there, when did you realize . Fortunately for me, i wasnt the first one to open the door. They came out first. And since we had no idea what was going on at the moment and we were still contemplating whether we were leaving. At that moment, we thought, should we go back to bed . Are we safer in the apartment . And i hear them say, oh, maybe we should have thought about leaving a lot faster. Maybe were not so safe. And they had taken a look to the left, i still hadnt reached, when i get there and see what theyre looking at, the whole building is sheared off. We can literally see the roof caved in and just darkness. How did you get down . Well, we obviously knew anyway, we were going to go down the stairs. So were on vacation, were not familiar with the building as it is. So thats why we initially looked left, hoping the exit was there, realized, we really need to get out. And we looked to our right. The elevator was gone. And the stairs are right next to it. But he opens the door and we realized that the stairs are also compromised. And the wall is missing. Theres like open Air Stair now. So everything that was attached to the side on the elevators is gone. Some floors have the wall, some floors dont. So now were its just a mad dash to get down. How many floors . 11. We were on the 11th floor. So you were on the second to last floor. Only the penthouse was above. How long did it take you to get down . Pretty quick. It was pitch dark. We were just yelling back to our kids. Were you all still there . It was, are you still there . Are we okay . What are you thinking as youre coming down . Im thinking were racing against the clock, because the rest of the building is going to come down. I realized when i opened the door and im thinking, if i start to feel something come down, how do i jump on my daughter to save her . Thats honestly what i was thinking. I know shes getting banged from people who couldnt open the door to the stairwell. Because it was jammed. She was opening the door for a couple of people coming down. There were other people coming down also . Yes. We reached about the third floor, we encountered an Elderly Lady who needed help, so my son and i brought her down to the first floor. And then when we got to the first floor, it was started to flood. We were up to about our calf with water. It wasnt anything deep, but you definitely could tell that it had collapsed. At that point, and now we had to climb up about three feet of rubble with this Elderly Lady, plus, you know, my family, and make sure we all Got Out. The kids werent hurt . They were good . Everybody is good, everybody is healthy. Minor scratches, which, unbelievably, after all of this. When you realized, once you were out, what it was you had escaped, how did you make sense of it . I was just grateful my son was there to hold me up, because the minute i looked behind me to really get a grasp of what had happened and what we had just gotten out of, it was pretty it was surreal. Ser it was scary. It was terrifying. There was a mix of emotions. I was sad for i saw the flattened building and i was like, that could have been us. My kids are here. I couldnt make sense of any of it. I felt like, why . Why did we get out and how did we get out . We were talking before. Its not our job to explain what life brings our way, its just our job to deal with it. And thank god you got the kids and you Got Out, because you know how many people dont have that story. I know. In terms of any kind of insight, was there construction going on . Anything that you thought about afterwards . Repairs . So they had been doing construction. So we came down for valentines day, it was my birthday on valentines day, we came down in february and there had been a lot of drilling and sounds from up from the roof, from the roof. That later on we found out it was building. But when we came again, its june and that work is still going on. So either its a very large Project Or Something is gone. We thought that was one. Talking to some of the other residents, they were saying that when they built the building next door, it created a lot of swaying in our building. There was a new building. Theyll have to figure that out. I heard your segment earlier and one of the things that i guess angers me or frustrates me is, we shouldnt have to go to bed worried if our building is going to fall. We live in a High Rise back in new jersey. Shes afraid. Shes you know, afraid right now. She works in the city. Shes afraid that those are things that we have to take into account now. How are we going to manage this. Youve got context, also. This is the only one weve ever seen. We have to find out why. Im sure theres going to be an urgency on that, because there will be so many stories that dont have your Story And Theyll want to know an answer for why, if theyre lucky, theyll be able to bury Loved Ones that didnt make it out. And take it one day at a time and thank embody i got to meet you guys and your kids are okay. Thank you. I know this is not a conversation that is easy to have after what you lived through, but thank god you did. Thank you. Youve got beautiful kids. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. No, thank you for being here, because it gives people hope. I hope so. I know this has been hard and it will keep hitting you. But youve got Each Other and there is a gift in that now that im sure will be valued a little bit differently after this. Absolutely. All right. Lets take a break right now. When we come back, this is the aguero family. Theyre one of the few stories weve had this comes out of this on the good side. And we have a long way to go. Were not going to know the cause soon. Victims, families, they must get answers. This does not happen in america. So lets bring in an attorney for the Condo Association. What do they know . 40year inspection, recertification, what were the issues, what were the concerns, what does the Attorney Make of the speculation and the questions that were out there. There was a lawsuit filed yesterday. Well ask the questions and get the answers, next. New Budweiser Summer patriotic cans are here to give you a red, white, and bud upgrade. Collect all three limitededition designs. New Budweiser Summer patriotic cans. Instores now. When heartburn takes you by surprise. Fight back fast, with new tums naturals. Summer patriotic cans. Free from artificial flavors and dyes. Is your family ready for an emergency . 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Lets bring in a lawyer for the Condo Association to discuss the issues here. Her name is donna dimaggio burger. Counselor, thank you for taking the opportunity. Thanks for having me, chris. I know it is early and there are a lot of families still waiting for answers about where they Loved Ones are. You met with the board today. I did. Was Anything Nobody about what was being done to the building that in any way gave a reasonable concern that this type of event was possible . No, nothing. What the board knew was outlined in that certification report. And they were entirely dependent on the items that the engineering would outline in that report. Typical things that an engineer looks for in a certification report, in Miamidade And Broward county, which are the two counties that require this kind of certification, a review of the roof, the hvac plumbing, but certainly, if there was nothing hard outside that was outlined in that report, anything that would have proven to be a danger to life. And the engineer outlined what the priorities were, and the priority was the roof replacement, it was underway. I understand the logic if the board knew there was something this serious, why would they have stayed in there. I accept that point. But when we hear about the work on the roof and that it was going on for a long time, this talk about spaling, do either of those things resonate in terms of issues that were going on with the building that were more significant than a 40year over Year Certification . No. Absolutely not. So a lot of these buildings, chris, that are built on the Barrier Area and on coastal islands, particularly in this Age Group that have reached or are near their 40year birthday, youll see spaling because of the location. Youll need roof replacement. These are not odd, you know, occurrences when it comes to building maintenance. So once again, yes, there was an ongoing roof replace program. It takes time. Right now, we also have a Contractor Crunch in florida, because weve got a lot of buildings right now that are also rushing to install Engineer Life Safety systems and sprinklers. We have a deadline the end of 2023. So we have a Contractor Crunch of sorts going on. Be that as it may, what was the nature of what was going on in that building before the Cl Collapse . Right now, it was roof replacement, which was underway, and then there were bids. In Florida Wonder Florida law, boards have to get competitive bids for certain contracts that are above a certain price. For the roof . For everything. If theyre going to do concrete repairs, they need to get competitive bids. Those bids were still out and had not yet come back. So what about that as a significant issue, that there was concrete work that needs to be done . Is that around the foundation . Is that something that needs to be looked at . Its concrete work typically, chris, thats spaling. We normally see that so spaling is where rebar, which is the bars inside of cement, attach to Moisture And Rust and it creates outward pressure that will crack the outer layers of concrete. Let me give you an example of that. Typically with a building like champlain towers south, youve got balconies and people over the years have put things on those balconies. Whether its Artificial Turf or hard flooring, that flooring tends to trap moisture. That deteriorates the concrete surface underneath. Once that surface gets degraded, it can affect the rebar underneath. Ive had some buildings where the balconies have collapsed either partially or fully, where weve had to lock People In, you know, where they cannot get out on to the balcony. But that doesnt bring a building down. Understood. This research that was done that showed in the 90s a measurement of approximately 2 millimeters a year and this was the only one on the East Side of the island that they had seen that happen not on the island. On the East Side, where they had seen that kind of movement or what they call subsiding, as opposed to sinking, because sinking is going into water, this was going back into the sand base. Was that something that the board was aware of . And is it significant to you . I think its significant. The Board Wasnt aware of it. And my question to the professor or the team that undertook that research is, could they tell . This is a state university. Did they inform the city . Did they inform the county . Kid did they inform the state . That is significant and thats something that we want to dig into. But as far as you knew, there was no reason for people not to be living in that building . No, there was no reason for that. And chris, you have to understand that there are Board Members with their Family Members. We have a missing Vice President who had two of her adult children living in other units with their families. And you think thats an indicator that this was the type of community people liked to live in. Normally when youre happy where youre living, you recommend to Family Members and friends, hey, this is a great place to live. And we had that. We had Board Members who were living here, who have their Family Members living here, so if they knew there was a hazardous issue, they certainly would have taken care of it. Also, the building has passed every inspection, every Life Safety inspection to date. The Big Question is obviously, why. And obviously, something happened and as it gets discovered, well keep covering it. Thank you for the opportunity and im sorry for anyone you know who is unaccounted for. The authorities are coming around and they want people to mask up because of the acrid nature of this smoke. The timing of that, look, things happen when they happen. Again, this is a painful time and everything is happening at once. And people are waiting for word on Loved Ones. Were going to talk to people who have had that experience and they have multiple Family Members missing, including a 1yearold niece. That is part of the reality here in surfside, florida, and we will talk to them next. Hey lily, i need a new Wireless Plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. Oh, we can help with that. Okay, imagine this. Your mover, rob, hes on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. We cut to downtown, your Sales Rep Lisa has to send some files, asap so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee. Yeah i shouldve just led with that. With at t business. You can pick the best plan for each employee and only pay for the features they need. Tonight. Ill be eating cheesy Cauliflower Pizza with extra broccolini. My tuuuurrrrn Tonight. Ill be eating cheesy Cauliflower Pizza and yummy Broccolini Doorbell rings thanks. doorbell rings thank you. Is that my leotard . No. Yes. Ehh, you can keep it. Hardest stories to hear are from families who are coming up to us here and reaching out pause they dont know where their Loved Ones are. This man and his wife who is four months pregnant lived in this building along with their oneyearold daughter. His niece joins us now. Im very sorry for you to be in this situation. But i am grateful to be able to tell the story of who youre waiting on word about. Please, tell us what you know, when the last time is you contacted family. We havent received much updates yet. We have family that has flown into family at the Family Reunification Center waiting for some type of news. My uncle, his mom, has participated in getting the Dna Samples as we wait to see people be recovered and rescued from the rubble. And the last time i spoke to them was on sunday for fathers day. I had actually called them to tell them i had just booked a flight to come visit, because theyve been asking me to come see their home, and to meet their daughter. I havent met her due to the pandemic. You know for a fact that they were home at the time this happened . Yes. They were home, and we had tried calling them countless times, and theres just been no answers, text messages. And we have a large extended family. They always stay in touch with someone every day. They havent contacted anybody. Weve called multiple hospitals within that area, and theres no sight of them anywhere. And you have not been told by any of the authorities that anyone that has been recovered matches their description or you havent gotten any word that they have been found thus far . No. We have not. No. This had to be a special time in the life of your family, having the new niece, having a baby in the family often does that, and how is the family coping with not knowing where they are and the worries about the worst . The family, we go through waves of disbelief and hope, you know, you hear and see tragic things but dont expect it to happen to your own. And especially something like this. It was such a Freak Thing that happened, and it hasnt been explained yet. We are still hopeful and praying for a miracle. Were hoping theyre in some type of a Pocket Somewhere Reason the rubble seeking just waiting for someone to come find them. Well, all i can tell you is i just got to walk the site. The when and women there are committed to searching slox they can and doing everything they can to find anybody who is in there, hopefully alive. And everybody is praying for miracles, and miracles can happen and hopefully they do here, and im sorry for your family to be going through this. And i appreciate you talking to us. And i really wish you the best. Thank you. Oh, on behalf of family, we wanted to say thank you to sorry. We wanted to say thank you to the first responders and to the crew thats out there, the Search And Rescue crew working tirelessly to find all the victims and we just want to say thank you. We really appreciate everything youre doing for us. Theyre doing the job that i can assure you. And i hope you get word that changes how youre feeling right now, and if we learn anything, well get right to you. Serena, be well and send our best regards to your family. Well be right back. That help unleash your energy. Loaded with b vitamins. 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