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Democrats start debating a voting Rights Bill. Also the completely unified republican opposition and the unwillingness for at least one Democrat Joe Manchin of West Virginia to end the practice of requiring 60 votes for measures like this to even get to the floor. Today President Obama weighed in on the vote and whats at stake. Right now at least republicans in the senate are lining up to try to use the filibuster to stop the for the people act from even being debated. Think about this. In the aftermath of an insurrection with our democracy on the line, and many of these same republican senators going along with the notion that somehow there were irregularities and problems with legitimacy in our most recent election they are suddenly afraid to even talk about these issues and figure out solutions on the floor of the senate. They dont even want to talk about voting. And that is not acceptable. The former president warned in his words that we cant take democracy for granted and, quote, he speaks to more than just a Senate Vote. This week sees arizona bracing for potential violence as the group of socalled Ballot Auditors wraps up their socalled work. In georgia, a version of that kind of Sham Audit is right now in front of a judge. Cnns Sara Murray is in atlanta tonight. What is the latest in the fight over fulton Countys Absentee ballots . Reporter a judge heard hours of Argument Today from Fulton County Government entities looking to dismiss at least some of this lawsuit. This is brought by a group of folks who believe there might have been some election fraud. They want to examine nearly 150,000 Absentee Ballots ultimately after the hours of Discussion Today the judge didnt decide whether or not to dismiss some or all of this case. He is still ruminating on the arguments. This is kind of hanging in limbo at least for now, anderson. How do the plaintiffs want to examine the ballots and what are they looking for . Well, they have given an inkling in court. They want to use high powered microscopes to look at these Absentee Ballots. They say they want to look at things like the creases and the Paper Stock and the way the bubbles have been filled in to determine if they were filled in by hand or by a machine. Again, these are folks who believe there are somehow counterfeit ballots in the mix of the Absentee Ballots. We should note the ballots here in atlanta have been counted and recounted and audited by Election Officials who found no evidence of widespread fraud. What they are allegedly doing in arizona in the Sham Audit, if this does proceed it will be similar to what is happening in Maricopa County. Well, i will say the one thing about this potential audit of the Fulton County Audits is the judge is trying to build in Guard Rails if it does go forward. He has made clear previously if they move forward with this Ballot Examination he wants the folks who want to examine the ballots to submit their protocols to the court ahead of time. He is not just going to hand the ballots over. They will remain in the Care And Security of fulton county. It is also possible hell require them to submit their findings to the court before they go out and talk about them publicly. He is trying to put some Guard Rails in place but obviously it is going to be quite a spectacle no matter what. Sara murray, appreciate it. Now the Effort Election doubters in georgia, pennsylvania, and elsewhere have modeled their would be socalled audits after. In our last hour we heard from the Arizona Secretary of State Kitty hobbs about her concerns as the audit there wraps up. Joining us now is Maricopa County recorder and republican steven richard. Appreciate you being with us. What is your understanding of what is going to happen when the socalled these, quoteunquote, results come out from the socalled audit in arizona and what exactly is the process for returning the ballots . Thank you very much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Part of the problem is we havent gotten clarity about this process. We dont know what to expect. We do understand there will be some sort of report and that might be issued in late july but it might take longer than that. We think the Arizona Senate boarded this train without knowledge of where it was going and i dont think it is going to a god place. The fact i mean, we talked to Katy Hobbs in the last hour. She is democrat. You are republican. This is unbelievable to me or i shouldnt say unbelievable but disturbing that there are politicians from around the country coming to Maricopa County taking tours of this audit socalled run by this county that our reporters have gone to florida and found they dont have offices and have no actual experience in doing an audit like this and this is somehow the model that other states or other various actors and states are wanting to replicate. As somebody who cares about Voting Fraud and a proper vote as you do in your career what is it like seeing people coming from around the country wanting to repeat this . This isnt saying just from a competence standpoint. Weve had 13 other States Visit and i would say to them, this is not the audit you want. This is far from the Gold Standard of audits. Youre looking for the Ernst And Young of accounting. Youre not looking for a Newby Company who has never done this before who as cnn very capably showed doesnt even have Office Space and is sending the data off to a mysterious house in montana. That is not the Gold Standard. You want to do better just from a competency standpoint. And so you can talk to more than just the stop the steal crowd. Lets be honest this Arizona Audit Isnt going to convince anyone outside of the crowd that already believes the election was stolen. Yeah. Just listening to you, you know, point out that they are sending ballots to some guy in montana we think to his house where i dont know what he is doing with it in the comfort of his own home, and its funny, you know, on one hand because it is so ludicrous as you say and, yet, there is really nothing funny about it because a lot of, you know, good and decent people are taking this seriously because they have been lied to and, you know, misled. Youre absolutely right. The people who are working there, most of them are good, decent people who just want to be helping out the state. But look. You go back to why on earth would you choose the Cyber Ninjas . I dont have an explanation for that unless you were feeling just such immense pressure from the stop the steal crowd that you caved or you knew the Cyber Ninjas would deliver the results that you wanted or you didnt do any Due Diligence on the Cyber Ninjas. None of those are good looks. As far as i can tell there is one socalled Cyber Ninja because all the Voice Mail for everybody in the Cyber Ninjas according to our reporter ultimately goes to this one Guys Voicemail who is apparently in Maricopa County. I mentioned you are republican. Does the person who is leading the charge in this, the republican leader of the State Senate there named karen fan, does she communicate with you . She is fully backing this thing. The last i communicated with the Senate President Fan was when the audit accused me and my staff of breaking the law and unlawfully spoiling evidence. I texted her and i said, karen, do you really want to accuse me of breaking the law . That seems a little bit strange. Im your fellow partisan ally. She said she didnt have control over the account and she had no idea what was going on with that. And i just thought that was dumb founding to me. That is what precipitated our involvement because we had to defend our good name and the name of the hard working people of Maricopa County. If she doesnt know what is going on with the audit account, doesnt know what is going on with the twitter account, what does she know is going on with the rest of the process and who has control over this . Also, it is just pathetic that, you know, you seem like a decent guy. The people who work for you are not looking for fame and fortune. They are doing a job incredibly essential to our democracy. And to suddenly be subjected to this vitriol from the qanon folks and the stop the steal folks socalled and all of these other people, it is just depressing and it seems like, what is to stop this from just being the future now that every election, partsans, you know, if republicans win, you know, folks out on the far fringes of the left, what is to stop them from doing this . You dont even have to have a close election. I mean, there is no good reason for doing this. If you lost by 15 why wouldnt you throw that into doubt, too . Because some of the allegations that are being made about 200,000 ballots being brought in from china, that would swing not just the close race but a race that had a wide margin of victory. So, no. It is very frustrating. Youre right. We are glorified Bean Counters but Bean Counters who care about this democratic process and we just want to go about doing that. Im really worried about our ability to recruit sufficient Poll Workers for the 2022 election. Yes we are still going to have a 202 it election though we are still talking about the 2020 election. Im all for glorifying Bean Counters because Bean Counters are essential. It is not an easy job to do. You know, your team deserves kudos for by the way, putting together and running the most successful election of just in terms of turnout, in terms of involvement, i mean, that is the one of the crimes of this. It is not that the election was stolen. Its that the reality of the election was stolen. The reality being this was an election in which more americans cast ballots. And it was no widespread Voter Fraud and this was a successful election and a model. I mean, for both republicans and democrats. Republicans did great across the country in this election. So, anderson, here is the real Irony And Coup degrace in our situation. I cant even take credit for this. My team can but i cant because i was simply a candidate on the ballot. And on that same ballot i unseated the former democrat chief Elections Official of Maricopa County. Yes, i beat the democrat on the ballots that were supposedly rigged. Steven richer i really appreciate what you do and your time tonight. Thank you. Thank you very much. Now tomorrows Senate Vote to begin debate on what is called the for the peep act, again, just to start talking, 60 votes meaning ten republican votes that all but certainly will not be there which raises the question what is next for Voting Rights and for those who say that some form of legislation is needed for this health of this democracy. Joining us now a lead sponsor of the Bill Senator Jeff Merkley Democrat of oregon. Appreciate you being with us. There is very little mystery on how the vote to advance debate on this act is going to go tomorrow. Even if democrats are able to get Senator Manchin on Board And Vote in unison you still wont break a filibuster. What do you and other democrats hope to accomplish with the vote . We hope tomorrow well see that the democrats and independents are united. 50 senators saying this should be on the floor being debated and we are hopeful that maybe a couple republicans will Pobl U part with Mitch Mcconnell and say they, too, want to defend the constitution. They, too, dont think billionaires should buy elections. That we should have a debate on this. They, too, want to defend the right to vote and end gerrymandering. We are not expecting that but just to have this Vote Tomorrow is to start kind of this accelerated, intensive process of saying if were going to save the vision of our constitution we really have to get these national Election Standards in place before The End of the summer so that elections next year can be based with the Election Standards. So where do things stand as far as you understand with Senator Manchin right now . Are you confident he may end up voting with democrats . Hes been engaged for the last two weeks laying out areas of the bill that he has concerns about, laying out his vision of what could look like a bill that could honor these basic four goals of the integrity of our elections that might be able to bring republicans on. Were working. We are working through the weekend with his team and the Senate Leadership and the Rules Committee and my team on seeing what that could look like. I think the next thing that happens is we come to an understanding of what this bill looks like that would have the 50 votes and then we attempt to find another chance to see if there is any republicans who want to join us in this when there are not. Then that triggers the next phase, which is to say, how are we going to get this bill to the floor . And how are we going to get to a final vote . Because we have to defend the integrity of our constitution. And, i mean, it seems like the only way you do that is if the there is action on the filibuster, which seems again to go back to Senator Manchin, no . The senate has had this basic social contract which is the majority doesnt run over the minority. A full chance to participate in debate, to offer amendments, to delay things in order to seek a compromise. But in The End, the majority gets to a vote. It is the second half of the social contract that has been completely broken by Mitch Mcconnell and so i think the conversation among the 50 senators if we dont have any republican partners is how are we going to defend that vision of fair chance for republicans to participate but get to a final vote . There are various ways proposed to do that. Reverse the 1975 Rule Change which created the no Show Obstruction that we now call a filibuster but doesnt require actually speaking any more. There is the Senator Harkin Version of lowering the number every week or so until you reach a simple majority to close debate. There is a variety of ways we can approach it but 50 senators have dto decide on which versio of strengthening or restoring the filibuster, the purpose of it, were going to pursue. Thank you. Thank you. Still to come new information on the doj Leak Probe. What were the former president s investigators looking for and why was information from two democrats on the House Intelligence Committee targeted . We are finally starting to get some answers. Later a live report from West Virginia with democrats sounding off on senator Joe Manchin and his tactics when 360 continues. At morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. We see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. We see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. 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Were joined by someone who felt the fury of the previous administration but also experienced in these Leak Probes involving congress former Deputy Director and cnn senior Law Enforcement Analyst andrew mccabe. Thanks for being here. The idea this investigation was not first and foremost about Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell themselves, does it make it any less egregious in your mind that their personal Communications Data were secretly seized by the government . What questions still need to get answered . Well, anderson, there are a lot of good questions. I think the, what were learning now that the investigation apparently began targeting a Staffer Or Member of the committee and not the members themselves seems reasonable. The Reasonableness Kind of ends there. Typically what would happen is you would begin with the target and you would then identify all of that persons contacts their email contacts, their telephone contacts, and then youd have to figure out who those contacts were. One way to do that is to drop a subpoena like weve heard about that got served on apple in this case to uncover the Sub Skscrib records of all those contacts. In this case please being you were grabbing knowing you were grabbing subscriber records of all of the contacts of a senior staffer on the House Intelligence Committee you had every reason in the world to know you would scoop up in that subpoena the records of members of congress and their staffers and that is not the kind of step that would typically be taken by an agent in The Field or a Line Ausa in some u. S. Attorneys office. That is something that would very high Level Involvement and approval from the highest levels of both the Fbi And Doj ffrjts the case was focused op be a staffer at least initially is it odd apple was under a prolonged Gag Order and that Congressman Schiff and swalwell only found out just recently their records had been subpoenaed . The purpose of a Gag Order in a case like this i can tell you from my own experience supervising, overseeing many of them in the fbi, is to ensure the target of the Investigation Isnt notified about the investigative activity that is taking place. That is pretty legitimate. The question here is how long did those Gag Orders stay maintained and renewed even after the investigation moved on and they apparently were no longer interested in this staffer . That raises serious questions of about, were they using the Gag Orders to hide the existence of these subpoenas knowing that they would kick up this sort of very legitimate controversy . That is something we just dont know yet. There is also the question though the former white House Counsel Don Mcgahn why his data was seized by the trump Justice Department. Do you have a better Sense Tonight of what sort of case could have swept up the personal information of a high ranking republican white House Official . Yeah, not really. Because we dont have much of an indication yet of who the target was of that case in which Don Mcgahn and apparently his wifes records were swept up. But that would be something that the Justice Department, look, at this point they should be revealing these facts to the public to try to throw some transparency on what is an embarrassing and potentially very damaging set of facts for them to deal with. It is time we heard from the Justice Department as to what was going on here and i think waiting a year for the ig to do his work, a year or more, is not satisfactory. I mean, do you think that, is it possible that, you know, having the Ig Investigate is also a way to give the Department Of Justice a pass for all the time it takes for the ig to investigate . They can say, look. There is an active investigation under way . It definitely gives the department, and i should say the fbi, a kind after very convenient excuse not to participate in any of these efforts at transparency to say there is an ongoing investigation. Therefore we cant say anything about it. That is really a bit frustrating. These underlying investigations of the House Staffer and whoever they were investigating about Don Mcgahn, if those cases are closed, they should feel free to come out and talk about them and answer some of those questions right now. You talked about this needing, you know, high Level Approval given now what we know. Former attorney barr, former Attorney Generally should say bill barr, he said he didnt recall being briefed on these things. If that was indeed the case, to initially focus on a congressional staffer not lawmakers would it be possible Barr Wasnt aware . Would it go that high . Absolutely it would go that high. I can tell you this again based On My Own experience handling leak cases understanding very sensitive leak cases like ones that might stray into the congressional area, these are things that are discussed at the Attorney General and the fbi director level. They are definitely briefed repeatedly to the Deputy Director of the fbi who at this time would have been david Boudich And Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein so the Idea None of these people remember Hearing Anything about these cases is really very, very suspicious to me. It is unlikely that legal process in cases of this sensitivity would have had some very high level discussions and approval. And of course if that took place the Attorney General doesnt get information about a case by himself. It comes up in updates and documents that go through his staff. It takes place in meetings in which staff are present. I think all of those folks on a very large Attorney General and director staff, Deputy Director staff, should be brought in and asked were you ever present when these cases were discussed . If so, what did you hear . Those people should have access to their notes and notebooks they No Doubt took and memorialized some of the details of the meetings in. Yeah. There is a trail. It is only through that process that well get real answers. Appreciate it. Thanks. Thanks, anderson. Next is it time for College Athletes to get paid to pay for the universities which reap billions from their performances on The Field . The Supreme Court laid the Groundwork Today for exactly that. Details when we come back. Honey scuff defense. I love our scufffree life. Behr ultra scuff defense. Exclusively at the home depot. Every Day Unilever does good for communities across america. 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In delivering the opinion of the Court Justice Brett kavanaugh said the ncaa, the Umbrella Group for College Athletics was in essence, quote, acting Above The Law by not paying its workers what he called a fair market rate. Joining me now is Christine Brennan Sports Columnist for Usa Today and cnn Sports Analyst and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. The ncaa makes billions of dollars a year. What will be the immediate impact of this ruling for College Athletes . And how much of those billions in revenue are they actually likely to see . We would maybe want to check back in about 20 or 30 years and see where this goes. I do believe this is a signal for the future in terms of athletes having the opportunity to make some money on their name, image, and likeness. I dont know well ever get to the point of paying athletes. Of course if you pay the Football Players you intoed to play the Field Hockey players. There is something called title 9 which celebrates its 49th anniversary on wednesday the law that opened the floodgates for women and girls to play sports so you have to be very aware were not just paying the men but also the women. I do think obviously the legal issue is there but right now this is about Lap Tops and internships. This is a very narrow look at a huge issue in College Sports, the issue in College Sports. One of the biggest issues in sports in general in our country i think is it shows us where we are headed. When we get there 20 to 30 years from now we will look at this as one of the key Stepping Stones to the point where student athletes are paid in some way for as i said the name, image, and likeness is the most likely example. Boy, i dont see this as 20 or 30 years. I see this as a lot sooner. You please be, the main opinion, the opinion for the court was written by neil gorsuch, a Concurring Opinion written by brett kavanaugh. Brett kavanaugh all but said, you cant do this anymore. You cant have a system where neck saban the coach of the university of Alabama Football Team gets 9 Million a year from the university and the Football Players who put their health on the line are not even allowed to get minimum wage of 7. 25 an hour. I think this is just Justice Kavanaugh was all but inviting more lawsuits saying this system has to be torn up from the ground. I dont think it is going to be 20 or 30 years. So how do you see that working . This was unanimous by the way all nine justices agreeing. As christine was saying just images and, you know, likenesses and tshirts . How would it work . Theres a lot of different there are crew teams. Field hockey teams, all kinds of teams that dont necessarily make the income a Baseball Or Basketball team makes. That is one of the ncaas big arguments is that the revenue from Football And Basketball subsidized Wrestling And Cross Country And Crew and all of the sports that dont bring in any revenue. There are lots of proposals in the works. I am not entirely sure title 9 would require every athlete to get the same exact amount of money. I dont have a fully thought out plan for how these athletes are going to be compensated. Im telling you they are going to be compensated and there are laws in the states, california, that it is just going to change. No doubt about that, jeff. What i was saying is when we get to a settled place in 20 to 30 years which i think is going to take a while if we get to that place if we are paying athletes completely. We already have Pro Sports of course. Do we want another level of Minor League Pro Sports and what does the College Situation look like and what do people want in their College Sports . Those are the issues that are going to be going on over the next as i said i think 20 to 30 years where we will end up but absolutely in terms of the name, image, and likeness that is not an incidental conversation as i know jeff and anderson you know. Think about gymnastics. Think about the instagram accounts of all these gymnasts. They go viral with their routines. Look at the womens softball. This is not just usually this conversation is about Mens Basketball and football. But in this case, you could have i was just covering the Olympics Swimming Trials in omaha. Kat Katy Ledecky had to turn pro two years in her College Career at stanford. If she is allowed to make money on her image and likeness, the states and the governors and obviously the Supreme Court and the courts are leading the way on this but she could have stayed a swimmer at stanford and also started to make money moving toward the Olympic Games in terms of endorsements. I think this is the landscape were going to see. Paying athletes completely . I mean, literally just paying everyone . I dont know that well get there. If we do get there if you like scandal get ready because the amount of money floating around those athletes and boosters, well, there would be a lot of stories to write. The scandals are already happening. The money is changing hands. Its just under the table now and the athletes by and large arent getting it. Television net works are getting it. Commissioner are getting it. Administrators are getting it. But it is not the athletes who are getting it and that is the way things have to move. This opinion where, you please be, a Supreme Court that disagrees on a lot of things all nine justices agreeing here, The System stinks and it has to change. Jeff toobin, Christine Brennan, fascinating. Thanks. Up next the who says he hates his role in washington but has never been so pivotal, Joe Manchin ahead of Tomorrows Senate Action on Voting Rights seen by some of the folks back home. 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Those 2s are particularly notable because these arent just any democrats but county democratic leaders. Shane is the chair of the county West Virginia democratic party. He did vote for the american Rescue Plan so i am willing to bump it up from 1 to 2 for that. Rachel burn is the first Vice Chair of the county democratic party i think he is in the way that he has been going about legislation right now, he is not good for the progress of our country. Ariana is the president of the College Democrats of West Virginia and says she used to be a page for Senator Manchin. I think that young people like myself want to see congress take some action. While the democrats have control. He is very much in the way. I speak to the resolution. Reporter all of them offended their fellow Democrat Wont back The End of the filibuster which they and many others believe is stunting the legislature. Very disappointed. Bordering on angry. Reporter commonly called Mon County for short is the only West Virginia county Joe Biden almost won on election day. Some describe the County Seat and College Town of morgan town as a liberal bubble of sorts. There is still a feeling among some every day democrats here that Joe Manchin needs to continue to play it cautious in order not to lose the states only democrats in a congressional seat. Given the alternatives i think he is doing as good a job as he can i understand what he is trying to do in trying to stay elected in West Virginia. Considering how red the state is it is shocking he has been able to stay in the senate all these years. Last month Senator Manchin who often talks about bipartisanship was asked this before the vote on the capitol insurrection commission. Wow be willing to break the filibuster in order to get this passed . I am not ready to destroy our government. No. I think it will come together. Reporter senate republicans ended up blocking the bill and the lack of bipartisanship is exactly what is wrong with Senator Manchins position according to these democratic leaders. This pursuit that he has for this mythology of congressional bipartisanship i think is ultimately going to be very damaging to this country if it continues. Anderson, nobody thinks that Joe Manchins general philosophies will be changing. He has been doing this a long time but the democratic leaders we spoke with today say on individual issues they think he can be flexible provided that he still gets pressure from democratic colleagues. Gary Tuchman Thanks very much. I want perspective now from our cnn chief political analyst gloria berjer. Youve covered Senator Manchin and interviewed him. Do you think he is worried about hearing from the few democrats that exist in the state of West Virginia . If anything isnt it helpful for Joe Manchin . That state voted overwhelmingly for the former president. He needs to appeal to republicans in his state to stay in power. He does. First of all i have my question about whether Joe Manchin is even going to run for reelection again. He is up in 2024. At that time hell be i believe 77 years old so maybe he is doing this because he actually believes that the filibuster, keeping the filibuster compels moderation. It doesnt make democrats feel any happier. One thing i would point out is republicans arent giving Joe Manchin any love either. He wanted the January 6th commission. They said, no. He said to them, you know what . On Voting Rights what if i said, lets have voter i. D. Ill give you that. Stacey abrams said yeah that is a good day then republicans said the next day no to both of them. He has given a lot of love to republicans honestly but i dont know what he is getting in return from them. Gloria, 77. Hes just getting started. This Day And Age . You have to be at least 77 to run. And he lives on a House Boat i know which was the most fascinating thing, an interesting detail in the report in the New Yorker. Exactly. What does manchin get by Holding Out on the voting Rights Bill and other items . Obviously there is his political viability in a conservative state which you cant ignore. Sure. And there are lots of things in the bill. He thinks it is way too broad. The president spoke with him today and the White House put out this perfunctory note saying we had a good discussion about how important Voting Rights are to Joe Biden and i think manchin is from talking to people who work with him sort of trying to find a way to get to, yes, and to get some republicans onboard. I think that is something that is not going to happen right now. But he says he is going to keep trying until, and i think this still has to play out, he has a relationship with the president , very long relationship, and hes always said in the past it is very hard for him to turn Joe Biden down on some things so lets see where this ends up. It is not going to be tomorrow. Its not going to be tomorrow. But i think there is a lot of string on this yet to go. All right. Gloria borger well see. Thanks. Just ahead a bad juneteenth for the senator who once tried to block it as a federal holiday. Why Wisconsin Voters booed republican Ron Johnson Saturday when we continue. This is the sound of an asthma attack. That doesnt happen. This is the sound of better breathing. Fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. Its not a steroid or inhaler. Fasenra is an Addon Treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. Its one Maintenance Dose every 8 weeks. It helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. 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While trying to celebrate the newly christened holiday of juneteenth Ron Johnson got an ear full from voters. This is not how you heal this nation. You come down here and try to interact with people. Boo you be nice to people. This isnt very nice, is it . Now, we cant say for certain why people booed him. It could have been for prev previously blocking juneteenth from becoming a holiday or trying to block covid19 vaccines. Questioning whether people were rioting. They were and if it was actually an armed insurrection and it was, what we do know is what one at attendee told the Milwaukee Journal sent until saying his politics were not for us. Mark becker a former Republican County chairman in wisconsin. Mark, youve known Senator Johnson for many years. Does it make any sense to you why he thought it was a good idea to head to milwaukee this weekend for the Juneteenth Celebration . He blocked legislation that would have made the day a holiday. Were you surprised at the reception . I wasnt surprised at the reception at all but i was surprised at the decision to go. Its really just another example of Ron Johnson doing his very best Ron Johnson impression. He has such a Laundry List of gaps and embarrassment after embarrassment. He really is the most embarrassing thing to come out of wisconsin politically since joe mccarthy. It is truthfully unacceptable. Youve described Senator Johnson as Post Truth and i know shortly after the election you claimed the senator called you and told you Joe Biden won fair and square but couldnt say that publicly for political reasons and more or less denied telling you that. Is that what you mean Post Truth . Well, that and i mean, you can look at the fact that he lies to the american people inse saying thousands of people died from the Covid Vaccine and take hydroxychloroquine for preventive measures and the fact that trump won, but the fact is Ron Johnson to my knowledge, he didnt say that the story was untrue. He just said that i was a Weasel Or Something like that. So he cant say its not true because it is. The fact is, i did have a long conversation with him and he did admit he knew it but the fact is he is more worried about how he looks to his base here in wisconsin than how, you know, than telling the truth to the people that elected him. You said thats really what its about for him. He wants to stay in power. Hes worried about if thats true, does him going and getting booed at a Juneteenth Event actually help him with his Const Constituents . I think its Red Meat to them, you know. Hes going to have to do a lot of mending offenses because in 2010, he told everybody that, you know, i believe in turmoil. I wont run more than two times and he said again in 2016 this is my last time running. Im not running again. And so now as he prepares for another run, he again, Ron Johnson being all Ron Johnson, hes wants to seek another term because hes seeing, you know, hes seeing the loss of the power that he has and he also sees the fact that, you know, he felt close to the power when Donald Trump was in office. So he just, you know, i dont know. Its this is just Red Meat really to his base. If he said that to you about, you know, he knew Joe Biden was legitimate president was elected, i mean, it makes the lies hes telling all the worse. If he was a true believer who was diluted or just factually wrong or just believed these things, that would be one thing. The idea that he knows a number of them or at least in this case what he told you is not true, i mean, that just takes it to another level. Its terrible. Look at vaccines. Look at hes a united states senator. They have access to more information than you and i do and to see the Ef Ficacy of thee things and goes on television and talks about how hes not going to get the vaccine and people are dying. Thats disqualifying. Right . Hes a senator thats not worth th of that title. When it comes to this election, it is disgusting because this is the big lie. The integrity of the election, what are we going to say about his election . You know, it really is unconscionable the things hes doing. Appreciate your time, thank you. Happy fathers day. You, too. Normalcy returns to a Madison Square Garden here in New York. Well be right back. Et me talk to my manager. Next, carvanas 100 online shopping experience. Oh, man. Carvana lets people buy a car get this from their couch. Oh, how disruptive. No salesman there to help me pick out the car i need. How does anyone find a car on this site without someone like us Checking In . Shes a beauty, huh . Oh, golly laughter i can help you find the color you want. 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