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Detained in russia. However, he also sought to tamp down the impression that either side is seeking to rerun the Cold War. I dont think he is looking for a Cold War with the united states. I dont think its about, as i said to him, i said, your Generation And Mine were about ten years apart. This is not a Kumbaya Moment as you used to say back in the 60s in the united states. Like, lets Hug And Love each other. But its, clearly, not in anybodys interest. Your countrys or mine, for us to be in a situation, where were in a newCold War. And i truly believe he thinks that. He understands that. Well, for his part, mr. Putin deflected. And denied accusations of russian misconduct. But also, expressed a measure of hope for the future. Translator the first general appraisal. I think there was no hostility. Quite the contrary. Our meeting took place, principally speaking. Many of our positions, we dont share the same positions, in many areas. But i think that both of these sides showed a willingness to understand one another. And to find ways to bring positions closer together. The talks were quite constructive. In other words, about what youd expect, after most, ordinary summits. This one did, however, bring out a testy side of President Biden. He snapped at this Question And Followup from cnns kaitlan collins. What are you so confident he will change his behavior, mr. President . Im not confident hed change his behavior. What the what do you do all the time . When did i say i was confident . I said i said what i said was lets get it straight i said what will change their behavior is if the rest of the world reacts and diminishes their standing in the world. Im not confident of anything. Im just stating a fact. Given his past behavior has not changed and in that Press Conference after sitting down with you for several hours. He denied any involvement in cyberattacks. He downplayed humanrights abuses. Even refused to say Alexei Navalnys name. So, how does that account to a constructive meeting as President President Putin . Well having said that, he left for the airport and home. But not without saying this to reporters out on the ramp. I owe my last question an apology. I shouldnt have i shouldnt have been such a wise guy with the last answer i gave. Anyway, thanks for being here. Perspective, now, from fiona hill, national Security Council Senior Director for European And Russian Affairs during the last administration. She is currently a Senior Fellow at the brookings institution. Ms. Hill, having been at the 2018 Trumpputin Summit in h helsinki, im wondering how you think todays events in geneva compare . Well, i think its very hard to compare with the helsinki summit. In terms of the optics of it from the outside, and the Press Conference. That was, of course, you know, something of a debacle. The Press Conference after helsinki. By the way, you have said you wish you could like pull a Fire Alarm or something to kind of stop all that. It it was extraordinary, what happened in 2018. It was. I think, you know, probably with the exception of the press who obviously have a lot to report on after that. Most people watching it probably wanted to pull the equivalent of a Fire Alarm or switch the tv off. I have colleagues who said they spent the whole time screaming at the television, as it was going on. But it really, the Press Conference didnt add up to what it actually happened at the meeting beforehand in terms of the substance of the meeting. I think, there, you can make some comparison. Because the desire of both sides in helsinki was to try to put the relationship you cant say on a normal footing because were in an extraordinarily confrontational relationship with russia. At least on a footing where there wouldnt be hyperventilation every time we were having meetings. Now, thered always be some drama around meetings of the heads of state. But a meeting between the Secretary Of State and Foreign Minister counterparts. Even ministers of defense are all kinds of levels of the Government Wouldnt seem extraordinary. Because wed then be giving diplomacy a chance to do its work, and try to see if we could find some way of taking down the confrontation between russia and the united states by a couple of notches. Well, what happened in helsinki at the Press Conference just ratcheted out of all proportion again. But there are some similarities in terms of whats come out of the meeting in geneva and the meeting in helsinki in terms of strategic stability talks. Some talking about cyber, although there was less of that discussion in helsinki. Thats, of course, become pretty crucial and essential now. And there was agreements of more regular meetings between the professional staffs of the u. S. And russian government. So there is a little bit with the exception obviously of the Press Conference. When, you know, theres the the sort of the hint of talks on cyberissues, obviously, russia the russian government is well aware, i assume, and correct me if im wrong, on the Hacking Groups. Which exist in their territory. And i mean, Nobody None of those groups could exist, i assume, without the permission of Vladimir Putin. So, is having talks does that really does It Matter if they are willing to have talks . As long as they are willing to continue to support Hacking Groups . Well, thats what we are going to have to push. I mean, you know, talks are no good, unless there are results. And, you know, there is awful lot of criticism about talking for the sake of talking. And in fact, you know, the previous administration actually tried to avoid having cybertalks, beyond a very basic, working level. Because of precisely this problem. You know, im sure that this administration is aware of it. And, you know, the problem that we have in these Ransomware Attacks Is is twofold. You know, first of all, the russian government can agree with the united States Government in a formal context to, basically, assure any kind of attacks on critical infrastructure. And indeed, President Biden said a whole list of of areas that were completely off limits, and where there would be a pretty harsh response been handed over to the russian government. I think he said 16 areas. But, you know, your big problem is, of course, if hackers and criminals are basically attacking the same systems. And so, you know, is there some kind of mechanism, within that agreement to have the respective governments go after them . And i think, you know, President Biden also said, well, look. How would you guys feel if your oil infrastructure, for example, your pipelines were being, basically, attacked and infiltrated and hacked by, you know, some guy sitting in i think he said florida or maine. He was, obviously, just plucking a couple places out of the air. I mean, the problem we always with the russians is they want to tie our hands but leave themselves with freedom of maneuver. And there is one thing that putin has said in the meetings that ive been in with him that we have to pay careful attention to. He usually says, well, the russian state didnt do that. Well, yeah, okay. The russian state didnt do it but what about all of these other nonstate actors that youre not reigning in . And thats where we have to pay a lot of attention. You are absolutely right, anderson. Thats going to be the problem area. Leading up to the summit. I mean, much was made of the tactics that putin has used to, you know, throw off his counterparts. Or just irk them or try to show dominance. Arriving late, being one of his most common plays. He didnt do that. He seemed to show up on time. Things seemed to go, pretty much, according to plan. Actually, the meeting was shorter than than some expected. Did did that tell you anything . Well, they did show he was taking it seriously. And and some respects, he is supposed to be the host of this meeting. So, you know, showing up late to your own party. You know, while putin is renowned for this. But, you know, i think it was signaling. I have been at other meetings where he hasnt actually been appreciably late. Meetings in the kremlin, for example. When i have gone with delegations. And he does appreciate a businesslike and when there is a full agenda. So i think he was signaling there they did want get down to business and they did want get through everything. That, of course, itself isnt something you can take home to the bank. And we did see, in his Press Conference, that he didnt miss an opportunity to turn everything back aground at the united. Particularly, on human rights. Persecution of opposition and the politics. He he didnt miss a beat, at all, when he was basically trying to denounce the united states. And to put, you know, a rather dark shadow on u. S. Behavior. So, you know, some things dont change that much. Yeah. I feel like they have been doing that since the soviet days. In the postsummit Press Conference, President Putin was asked about President Biden and i just want to play what he had to say. Translator if you asked me what kind of Partner Or Interlocutor President Biden is, i would say that he is very balanced, professional man. Its, obviously, clear that he is very experienced. In terms of possible praise from Vladimir Putin, that i mean, was that unusual . Or was that sort of Pro Forma and what you expected . Well, no, thats not. But it is a signal of basically saying saying he wants to do business. I mean, if you actually look at the record of putins meetings with president s, now, going back to george w. Bush. He has always been quite keen on sitting down with american president and, you know, getting down to it in terms of thrashing out a whole host of issues. Where he wants to see Russias Interest respected. Other times, of course, its obviously been more valuable to him to just try to score cheappolitical points. And to push our buttons. Clearly, that was what was going on at helsinki. Its often been at other meetings, as well. But, look, i do think that putin has reached a point where he may be interested in just taking the temperature down everso slightly. And not getting things out of control. Fiona hill, really appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks so much, anderson. More to talk about. Cnn chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. And Clarissa Ward joins us from geneva. Clarissa, President Biden said he did what he came to do. What were the tangible deliverables, so to speak, that came out of this summit . Well, i think, the biden administration was clear, from the get go. That tangible deliverables might be few and far between. We heard putin say that they were speaking the same language. And now, the question is does that translate into something more substantive, further down the line . They issued a Joint Communique where they talked about this strategicstability dialogue. Cooperating on areas of arms control. Potentially, on syria, afghanistan, iran, a host of different issues. The big ones, though, obviously, reinstating the ambassadors. Which is, certainly, significant. And the other one is announcing the beginning of a dialogue, potentially, about a prisoner swap. This is something, of course, the families of the two americans, who are currently being held in russia, are very, very keen to see transform into something substantive. The russians are asking a really high price. They want the sort of infamousrussian Arms Dealer released as part of an exchange. Unclear, whether the u. S. Has appetite for that. But certainly, i would say that was one of the more hopeful moments, in that Press Conference, from both of the world leaders. Giving the sense that, that could be something that would translate into a deliverable further down the line. Jim, i mean, if President Bidens mission was to essentially have a lowdrama summit. To put putin on notice with what the u. S. Is unhappy about. Without making, you know, having an international incident. Was was the goal met . Well, listen. By the reduce the manage expectations of this summit, you could make a good argument it was. And by the way, for both sides, right . Because both sides were managing expectations going in. No one was advertising, you know, some sort of Breakthrough Agreement on some of the real tough issues like ukraine, cyberwarfare, et cetera. But you did have, as clarissa was saying, at least the promise of discussions about a prisoner swap. The exchange of ambassadors. And i dont think we should underestimate the importance of of a turn from bidens predecessor, as well. Right . I mean, if you if you compare helsinki to geneva. Helsinki, President Bidens predecessor, undermined u. S. interests. He stood next to a russian president and and took his word over the word of u. S. Intelligence agencies. You know, to to the criticism not just of democrats but also republicans. You had a u. S. President , here, very clearly state americas positions on core issues. Humanrights, for instance. Biden said, definitively, the american people could not have good faith in me, as an american president , unless i call out this kind of behavior. Putin is not going to, suddenly, discover religion, right, on human rights. But to have an american President Stick to that precedent of saying, this is an important issue for us. You know, thats a marked change. Again, you know, managed, reduced expectations. At least, in that sphere, you can say something of a success for biden. But also, for putin. Right . Because putin gets equal footing with biden in a summit. And that gives him power, both internationally and at home. Yeah. Clarissa, you obviously covered Alexei Navalny extensively. Putin, again, refused to say his name out loud at his Press Conference. I just want to play what President Biden said warning the russian president of the consequences if navalny were To Die in prison. I made it clear to him, that i believe the the consequences of that would be devastating for russia. What do you think happens when hes saying its not about hurting navalny, all the stuff he says to rationalize the treatment of navalny. And then, he dies in prison. Its about trust. Its about their ability to influence other nations in a positive way. Its interesting. You know, what he is saying that there there would be devastating consequences for russia. Its not, necessarily, saying the u. S. Would would act in a devastating way toward russia. Its just he is saying that if navalny died in prison, for russia, it could be devastating, on the World Stage. Yeah. And and i think you have hit on something really crucial there, anderson. And the kremlin appeared to be almost calling the White Houses bluff, on this one. The kremlin doesnt believe, ultimately, that the u. S. Is going to cross a certain line, in terms of punishing russia for its treatment of Alexei Navalny. They saw the sanctions that were levied at the kremlin and at the fsb, as a result of the poisoning. As being not superfishlcial, bu lets say, symbolic. And they understand that President Biden has to stand on that stage, and has to take a very serious tone. And has to lecture about human rights. But i dont think they believe that, fundamentally, the u. S. Will go much further than that. Even in a worstcase scenario, wh were Alexei Navalny To Die. And we know, from putins behavior, on a host of different issues, that how it appears on the World Stage is not, necessarily, something that overly concerns him. If anything, he appears to have embraced this sort of machiavellian, archvillain reputation. That, on the one hand, he denies these things. But, on the other hand, he, somehow, appears to not endorse it but certainly find it amusing. When he was asked, in that Nbc News interview, about all the list of political proponents of his who have mysteriously died. He started laughing. So, i dont think there is a sense that anythings going to change, in terms of Putins Treatment of Alexei Navalny based on what happened today. Yeah. Clarissa ward, jim sciutto, thanks so much. Appreciate it. We are going to continue the conversation in a moment with folks on the historical importance of this summit. Particularly, for President Biden. Whos built his reputation after decades of foreignPolicy Experience, as a senator and then vice president. Late, republicans trying to rewrite what happened the day of the capitol riot. You know that but the attempts continue. One congressman being condemned now for remarks about Capitol Police. Saying one of those critics, his own sister, will join us when we continue. Mous vehicle is almost at the Finish Line what a ride i invested in Invesco Qqq a fund that invests in the innovators of the nasdaq100 like you become an agent of innovation with Invesco Qqq yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum Yum Yuuum yum yum yum yum yum Yum Yuuum yum yum yum clap, clap yum yum clap yum yum hey, mom. Ill never say this but. Thanks for telling me everyone 12 and older is eligible for the covid19 vaccine. both thank you for getting past our walls. Thanks, honey, for always being there for me. Thanks for letting me know, in clinical trials vaccines. 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A dozen years as the top democrat on the foreign relations committee. He was obviously picked as president obamas running mate, in part, to help add some foreign Policy Experience to the ticket, back then. Well, according to our next guest, biden thrives on the personal Relationship Building that he believes necessary with world leaders. And places heavy emphasis on personality as a factor in foreign affairs. I am joined now by Biden Biographer and Cnn Contributor Evan osnos. So, evan, i am wondering what your sense what this summit meant for President Biden . Well, its enormously important for exactly the reason you mentioned, anderson. He made a promise, essentially, to the people. Something you will find more recognizable what it was before the era of donald trump. So there was a tremendous amount on the line. An event like this, particularly the first trip abroad, casts a long shadow. You know, we all remember when george w. Bush said he looked into putins eyes and saw his soul. You have to put in the context of this week. I think, to understand the meaning. You have to remember, he came into this saying the goal at the g7, at nato, and ultimately, in this summit with putin was to basically tell the world that, as he put it, the democratic allies are tight. That was his word. It was to try to sort of undo the damage of the lastfew years. In which, you had this unnerving scenario in which the united states was at odds with its allies and seemingly friends with its foes. So he was there to try to rebalance the scales and not create an unforced error. And i think by that low standard, by that low expectation, he would probably consider this good enough. You say that, when it comes to meetings like these. There there are two subjects that President Biden is equally impassioned about. What are they . Yeah. This is an interesting one, in this case. Because i over the years, you have heard Biden Return to two, big themes. One of them is actually his suspicion of Vladimir Putin. Fundamentally. I mean, if you go back to 2014, i remember interviewing him at the at that point. And he said he didnt think that the united states was paying enough attention to the threat posed by putin. This was a time, after all, we were paying more attention to Iraq And Syria and so on. Two years before the president ial election, in which russia interfered. The other point, and this is sort of in tension with his first one, he also believes personal diplomacy is essential. We know this, right . It is a big piece of how he thinks he can solve problems so he has this problem. How do you deal with somebody who you, fundamentally, do not trust . But also, how do you bring that personal element . So, what he was trying to do today was strike a balance where he didnt do something that would indicate hes, suddenly, forgotten everything he ever said and believed about Vladimir Putin. But also, create an apparatus. An opportunity for them to try to produce a relationship. That lets be blunt. He does not want it to be on the front burner. He wants the Russia Relationship to be something that is sort of in the background and not consuming his attention. There was that testy exchange between the president and cnns kaitlan collins. I dont want to play it again because i dont want to make too much of it but i thought it was interesting for him to, later, come back and address it. I am wondering what you made of that . Im not sure what it says. But i just thought it interesting. Yeah, it was interesting. Actually, you know, he obviously wished it didnt happen. He apologized for it and so on. It was a window, actually, into a side of him that people, who work with him, describe. Something i have written about. Which is that he has a prickly side. But in moments that are high pressure, High Stakes, he can be very kurt with people. He can sometimes be dismissive. He clearly thought he was, in this case, and tried to clean it up as he said. But i remember once talking to an aide of his who remembered him getting off the phone with a foreign leader. It hadnt gone well. And thenvice President Biden said, you know, dont ever put me in that position, again. So he has a temper, and you sometimes see it when the when the stakes are high. The president also said, today, that the last thing that Vladimir Putin wants is a newCold War. Its also, clearly, something President Biden doesnt want. Is he mindful of his legacy, at this stage . Or, um, you know, of the i mean, he is certainly mindful of the High Stakes of this moment. Yeah. You know, i i paid attention to that line, anderson. I thought that was interesting because, look. On a peer level, yes, Vladimir Putin doesnt want another Cold War. The russians lost the last one. And in fact, that was sort of the Signal Trauma of Vladimir Putins adult life. He was a kgb officer, you know, Feeding Documents into a furnace when the when the Berlin Wall fell in germany. And yet, he seems pretty comfortable with what, you know, we could probably call something like a Cool War with this chronic tension with the united states. He does not trust the united states. He has not since the fall of saddam hussein. He came to believe the united states will always put pressure on strongmen leaders like this. And the goal for for biden is, essentially, to figure out not how to you get rid of the challenge posed by Vladimir Putin . And not how do you appease it or or try to se dduce it . But how do you manage it . How do you make this part of americas foreign Policy Portfolio that does not consume everything we are trying to get done in the world and does not ultimately though us off track. It was about trying to create a system, in which you can restore putin to where he wants to be in his list of priorities. Thanks so much. Coming up next. Congressman, who wont even shake the hand of the Police Officer badly hurt trying to protect him from the mob attacking the capitol. That and the other congressman, now, trying to rewrite the history of that day. He wont talk to us. But well speak to someone, very close to him, who will. And as you will see, shes got plenty to say about the kind of man her brother is. Introducing Aleve X. Its fast, powerful longlasting relief with a revolutionary, rollerball design. Because with the right pain reliever. Life opens up. Aleve it, and see whats possible. You need an ecolab scientific clean here. And you need it here. And here. And here. Which is why the scientific expertise that helps Operating Rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. Seek a commitment to clean. Look for the Ecolab Science certified seal. I didnt realize how special it would be for me to discover all of these things that i found through ancestry. 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When it was happening, didnt think it was so normal. Then, there is arizona congressman, paul gosar. He is portraying the Law Enforcement Officer who shot and killed one of the capitol attackers as an executioner. Listen to what he asked fbi director, christopher wray, at hearings yesterday. Director wray, do you know who executed Ashli Babbitt . No, i dont know the name of the person who do you agree that Ashli Babbitt was unarmed . And the capitol Police Officer that did the shooting appeared to be hiding, lying in wait, and gave no warning before killing her . Question, again, why hasnt that officer that executed Ashli Babbitt been named . When Police Officers around the country are routinely identified after a shooting. Now, keeping him honest. There is no point in us refuting the congressmans lies, because the facts speak for themselves. Take a look at the photo from the other side of the barricade. Congressman rueuben gallegos. He was the last line of defense between us and the insurrectionist. Congresswoman Liz Cheney weighed in with this tweeting, on january 6th, as the violent mob advanced on the house chamber, i was standing near at Rep Gosar and helped him open his gas mask. The Capitol Police led us to safety. It is disgusting and despicable to see Gosar Lie about that day, and smear the men and women, who defended us. We wanted the congressmans take after emailing eight people in his office, texting and leaving messages, we got the following answer back from his chief of staff. Thank you, we decline. His sister, jennifer gosar, could make it, however. She and several other siblings have campaigned against the congressman. And more recently, put out an ad calling out his lies about the insurrection. Jennifer, first of all, i appreciate you being with us. This cant be easy, ever. I want to ask you about the the comments that we just heard from your brother. When you heard him say that, what goes through your mind . Well, first, thank you for inviting me to be on your show and giving me a chance to speak about this. What goes through my mind is what has been going through my mind. But, you know but more intensely, right . To to have witnessed, through, you know, live media on the day that it was happening. To see the footage, since. And now, to see that not only does the mba have farhigher standards for their Code Of Conduct for sitting members. But then, also, to see like our congressmen are actively trying to erase what is a very documented insurrection. And to know my brother is part of that is not surprising to me, anderson. But its its something that it intensifies the frustration about the erasure that they are trying to enact, you know, with us, as as as citizens and society at the moment. And also, just im just stunned at the brazenness of it. The last time you were on cnn with your other brother, tim, you talked about how you believe that your brother, congressman gosar, to be partly responsible for for the january6th insurrection. Do you do you still believe that . Absolutely. Absolutely. I have no evidence to the contrary. And it would be the at at least, you know, a requirement of our of our congressional body, the senate and the house, to investigate that. As they have tried but the senate has filibustered. You know, i absolutely believe that. I absolutely hold the people that fund pauls campaign, and have continued to fund it, like the american dental association pac. I hold those people accountable for not speaking up, not putting on pressure. And to actually investigate what was a criminal act. And that i do, still, believe my brother was an organizer of or Part Organizer of. And i have no evidence to the contrary to suggest anything different. Your brother was a dentist, before getting involved in before running for for elected office. I mean, is this you you campaigned against him, when he ran for his current seat in arizona, as did other a number of your other siblings did, as well. Is this just about him appealing to, you know, his conservative base . And who are supportive of the president . Just is this do you think he knows better . Or do you think this is really what he does he really believe the person, you know, who was one of the people who was defending congresspeople as an executioner . Well, thats thats a rich question, honestly, because i mean, the convenience with which paul finds stories to fuel his anger, his hate, and his bigotry. It, you know, does he believe it all . I think he, probably, doesnt. But its so convenient, and he keeps telling himself that. That hes able to find the anger, and and fuel his rhetoric. And its, also, if if this erasure isnt, you know, successful, then they have to answer to the american public. And the congress the the congress, writ large, has to actually take you know, make those members that were involved accountable. And all of the organizers and instigators of that insurrection. The thing i dont understand is all you know, people like your brother, who are, you know, attacking law enforcement person. And, you know, denying what happened and claiming this was just any, other kind of visit by tourists. When it was actually happening, i mean, Liz Cheney pointed out. You know, she helped him get out his gas mask, and he scurried off with everybody else to safety. Which is the wise thing to do. Because they were in danger. He certainly felt in danger, at the time. The idea, now, that now that hes safe, hes changing the story for political reasons. It just seems really appalling. Its despicable. I mean, and does despicable really capture it . You know, those are the best words i can think of. But to be honest with you, i think that it goes to the point of criminal. And thats why i think the effort is so intense. Because if theyre not able to erase, and really, like, gloss over. And if people, like, you know, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi And Senate Leader Chuck Schumer allow this to continue. If there is not a stronger effort to hold them accountable. Like, our representative Pramila Jayapal did asking for an ethics investigation. If efforts like that arent taken, if measures arent taken, then this campaign will be successful. And these criminal acts will not be held accountable. I think its paramount to maintain the stability of our democracy. And i dont think i have to convince you about that, anderson. Think Thats Something you probably are well aware of. Yeah, jennifer gosar, appreciate you being with us. Thank you. Thank you, very much. And also, i just, before i wanted to leave, i wanted to say happy pride month. And i want to honor the celebration of juneteenth, this weekend. Appreciate you being with us. Thanks so much. Up next. Perhaps, the strangest, new, strange twist in the Alreadystrange Arizona Ballot recount. Socalled. Why some of the Voting Data from phoenix may be getting analyzed right now more than A Thousand miles away in montana. Details, ahead. [sfx thunder ru] [sfx rainstorm] comfort in the extreme. They told me you cant make a boombox fly. The Lincoln Family of luxury suvs. So i built a boomboxasaurus. With code and we did it together in our live online coding class. At byjus build your own world at Byjus Futureschool. With live oneonone coding classes taught by expert teachers. Go to Byjus Futureschool dot com. Book a free Trial Class Today this past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. But eventually, with spring comes rebirth. Everything begins anew. And many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other likeminded people. 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Reporter on this piece of property in a remote part of montana, people may, at this very minute, be analyzing Voting Data from the state of arizona. As part of the socalled arizona audit. Run by the Cyber Ninjas. A company, whose ceo, had previously espoused trumpstyle Election Conspiracy theories. What does montana have to do with all this . Ken bennet is a spokesman for the audit. Everything that Cyber Ninjas is doing, they are either doing with their own expertise. Or the expertise of the people that theyre hired. A Contractor It hired is called cipher llc. Bennet says cipher was permitted to take copies of Arizona Votingsystem data on a truck. And have it driven to montana. Where its being, quote, forensically evaluated, in what he described as a secure, Powerful Laboratory. But nobody is publicly saying what that actually means. And bennet tells us he doesnt know where the socalled lab is. It is apparently a secret. So as you might expect, we are left wondering, where in the state of montana are the copies of this Voting Data being analyzed . Where is the secure, powerful lab . Heres what we found out. Cipher is a company thats based in virginia, according to its website. But cipher was spun off, and is a Sister Company of a company called Cy Tech and Cy Tech according to its website is based in montana. Here we are right now, south of the city of big fork. More interestingly, they are run by the same exact person. And that person, were told, is the man who drove in a truck, the copies of the voting information, from arizona to montana. So, this property, where Cy Tech, according to the website is located, also, happens to be, according to records, where the ceo lives. His residence. So, could the information be here . We could tell you as we walk up here, the first thing you see on this big piece of land is this sign, private property. Trespassing for any purpose is strictly forbidden. Violators will be prosecuted so we Cant Cross this area. We can show you, from this area, what looks like a cabin on this property. Is this the secure, Powerful Laboratory . Is arizonaVoting Data inside that cabin . We just dont know. But it could be. And the defense. Reporter the boss who drove the truck to montana according to the Audit Spokesman is ben cotton, who testified in a special meeting at the Arizona Capitol last month. I, personally, have over25 years of Computer Forensics and incident response experience. Reporter we reached out to cotton to ask him about what kind of analysis is taking place and is this lab on his property . He did not respond. So we did some further investigating from the air. And we see that an addition to the building that looks like a cabin, there is, on the right, a large house in the clearing. And on the left, what looks like a barn. And perhaps, some trailers. But no people. A real Estate Website shows what appears to be that large house. And it all sits on 155 acres of land. So, there is plenty of space here for a lab. And plenty of privacy for the boss. You cant make this stuff up. Arizonas democratic Secretary Of State says she is very concerned about what is going on nearly1,300 miles north of phoenix. If it wasnt happening right in front of our eyes, we wouldnt believe it was happening. Reporter is there a deadline for finishing this Montana Analysis . According to the spokesman, no deadline. When its done, its done. So normally, anderson, when election recounts and audits take place, outside observers are invited. Republican observers, democratic observers, independent observers. Members of the news media. But here, in montana, there is no indication, whatsoever, of anyoutside observers. It, all, seems rather stealthy. Anderson. Yeah. So much for any transparency. Gary, appreciate it. Up next, a searing reminder that the threat of covid remains. No, hes not in his room. Dad, why didnt you answer your phone . 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I lost a piece of myself, i feel like. His son says he was never vaccinated because wasnt a priority as the 58yearold juggled multiple jobs. But this loss is a wakeup call. We are making appointments ourselves, my wife and i to actually get that done. This has changed your outlook on the vaccine now. Correct, correct. Fear is a motivator. Reverend holmes knows too often it takes stories of Pain And Loss to motivate a flock so hell be trying to convert the vaccine hesitant say thank you, lord into believers. One soul at a time. And ed joins us now from dallas. I wonder what the main reason people are not getting shots when shots are available for anyone who wants one. We found a couple different reasons. Theres a camp of people who are just politically opposed to it. Believe the conspiracy theories. There are also a number of people who are concerned, are anxious about it. And then there are a number of people who just, they havent had time. They havent prioritized it. It is a window into the reason why the Vaccination Rates in this country is starting to slow down and it is really a sad story. So many of the people that are dying now are unvaccinated. So as were coming out of this pandemic and so many are celebrating, there are thousands of families suffering and the pain and the loss of Family Members who have died to covid who are left wondering, could they have done something and gotten the vaccine to save their lives . Yeah, i appreciate it. We encourage everyone to get vaccinated. Just ahead, a new federal holiday honoring the emancipation of slaves approved on capitol hill. Details when we return. Bipolar depression. Its a dark, lonely place. This is art inspired by real stories of people living with Bipolar Depression. Emptiness. A hopeless struggle. The lows of Bipolar Depression can disrupt your life and be hard to manage. Latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. 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For cuomo prime time. A question, the great mr. Cooper. What is the significance of juneteenth if at the same time we pass into law that it must be recognized, we see the same body failing to protect some of the Signature Rights that go along with freedom of the same. A good question there, chris. Deep, man, deep. That is the hypocrisy that were dealing with these days is that thats why we have to depend on good minds like yours to keep calling it out. Thank you. Good to see you as always. He laughs but not because he finds it funny. President Biden Returns to america Tonight after his historic summit with Vladimir Putin. Heres the upshot. How did the trip go . Wasnt trumps helstinky but biden Wasnt Reagan commanding russia to act, either

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