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President biden sending a critical message on the world stage. Democracy can still prevail. He is trying to assure allies the u. S. Is back while slamming trump for what biden calls Phony Populism. It comes as the president prepares for his Summit Meeting with Vladimir Putin now just a day away. Plus the fbi issuing a chilling warning to lawmakers that qanon is more emboldened than ever and may be prepared to get more violent. And the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee announcing an investigation to the justice departments subpoenas of the two top democrats, journalists and even trumps white House Counsel. A lot to discuss. Lets bring in now cnns senior political analyst John Avlon and max boot, a Senior Fellow at the council on foreign relations. Good evening, one and all, or i should say the both of you. John, im going to start with you. When an american president travels abroad, they usually focus on promoting democracy around the world. Today we saw president Joe Biden try to assure the world that democracy is alive and well right here in the u. S. Is it . Um, its under threat. You hesitated. You hesitated. Yeah, because its a good its a good question that we shouldnt try to gloss over. Look, you know, biden believes in democracy and diplomacy. His Core Pitch and home and abroad is that democracies need to stand up to autocracies. Its the defining challenge of our time. But we need to be honest about the fact that were experiencing that challenge here at home as well. And the worlds noticing that. Pew Research Survey just had a Study Showing that Americas Reputation has rocketed up again in the worlds eyes since biden became president. But crucially the world also has doubts about Americas Ability to be an exemplary democracy, and thats sobering. We need to take that responsibility seriously and build it back. About 24 hours away, just about 24 hours away, max, from bidens critical meeting with Vladimir Putin. Theres so much ground to cover, including election interference, Russias Involvement in cyberattacks on the u. S. , jailed russian Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny. The list goes on. The most important message for Joe Biden to deliver, what is that . That theres a new sheriff in town, that there is no longer a u. S. President who is mysteriously enamored of Vladimir Putin. Biden has called putin a killer, and thats an accurate assessment. So he is going in there with no illusions, and i think he will lay down the law to putin and let him know, hey, we can cooperate with you if theres an overlap of interests. We can certainly cooperate if you stop some of your aggressive behavior. But if you continue going down the road that youre on right now, there will be more serious repercussions and we will not tolerate attacks on our elections. We will not tolerate cyberattacks on our companies. We will not tolerate attacks on our allies. And we will also not stay silent about your human rights abuses. I think one of the most important messages that biden can deliver to putin in geneva is to say, mr. Putin, let Alexei Navalny go and also let there are dozens and even hundreds of other disseidents who are locke up in russia. Let them go. This is something that trump would have ignored. Biden cant ignore it. I think he has to make it a major part of his meeting with putin. So then, john, what does a successful meeting look like because putin is laughing off hacking attempts, wont even guarantee Alexei Navalny will stay alive in prison. So whats a successful meeting . A Success Meeting looks like a president who stands up to thuggery as opposed to sucking up to putin, you know, lever losing an opportunity to kowtow to the kremlin as donald trump did. What Joe Biden is trying to do, the reason theyre not having a Presence Conference to avoid some of the mano a Mano Stylist Commentary is focus on the substance of great power relations. Biden is going to have to lay down a hard line when it comes to expansionist ambitions, cyberattacks. Hes already taken a hard line on Corruption And Money laundering. But hes also got to leave the door open to the countries cooperating where they on. Jake sullivan, the national security adviser, made it clear. Russia is not a trusted ally. They cannot be trusted right now. They need to earn back that trust. Bidens under no illusions. Putins not going to change. He is who he is, a killer. He kind of hedged on that. He didnt say he was a killer when asked the question recently. But, max, bhiden took a Big Sho At Trump and republicans who are still pushing his lies even after the insurrection. Watch this. I think it is a Shock And Surprise thats whats happened in terms of a consequence of trumps Phony Populism has happened. And it is disappointing that so many of my republican cleolleags in the senate, who i know know better, have been reluctant to take on, for example, an investigation because theyre worried about being primaried. Does this show he is cleareyed about the political reality he is facing . No. I think he certainly understands whats going on, and i think Joe Biden is as appalled as anybody by the current state of the republican party. I mean, look, im somebody, as you know, who was a republican for much of my life, and i cant recognize this party. Obviously Joe Biden has always been a democrat, but he has also been a fairly centrist, bipartisan democrat in the senate, who worked closely with a lot of republican colleagues. I think he understands that that republican party is almost entirely gone. I mean were going to see now in the negotiations over an Infrastructure Bill whether theres any possibility of any kind of bipartisan agreement. It frankly doesnt look good, and i think biden is realistic enough to understand that and to know that, you know, he has to push through with democratic votes if necessary. Of course thats not easy either with joe manchin, you know, not necessarily agreeing with everything that the White House would like to see. But, no, i think this is this is a huge problem for american democracy. Its a huge problem for the world that we now have a party whose support for democracy can no longer be counted upon. Yeah. John, im sure youre paying attention to this, what Mitch Mcconnell is saying. Highly unlikely that he would let biden confirm a supreme Court Vacancy in 2024 if the gop wins back the senate in 2022. Theres only one thing he cares about, and thats power, right . Yeah, power and judges. The two being the same thing. Look, for those Keeping Score at home, this is obviously a complete flipflop from weeks from an election when early voting had already started. But this is all Situational Ethics and it should be a Wakeup Call to democrats and the president and frankly supreme Court Justice Breyer about the stakes theyre facing heading into 2022. There is an obligation to use your power while youve got it. If you can forge bipartisan consensus, great. John, max, thank you so much. I appreciate it. I want to turn now to the Fbi Warning lawmakers that qanon followers may carry out more acts of violence. Cnns Donie Osullivan has been reporting extensively on these Conspiracy Theories, and he joins us now. Donie, hello. Good to see you. You have been going through this fbi threat assessment. What are you learning about who Qanon Supporters may be looking to harm . Reporter yeah, don. So Qanon Supporters have been sold a con, right . For years they were told that everybody was going to get rounded up and arrested. Democrats, even Hillary Clinton was going to get rounded up. Trump was going to be behind it all, and they were all these democrats, members of the cabal, were going to be sent to jail. Of course that didnt happen, and now the fbi is telling lawmakers essentially that some Qanon Supporters may be getting frustrated. This is in a report that was given to The Hill that was reported by our colleagues Whitney Wild and Zachary Cohn earlier this evening. Essentially what that report says is that qanon is very much an online movement but we have already seen how it can help inspire acts of realworld violence. And the concern is now that some Qanon Supporters may try and take matters into their own hands, not happy that, you know, the cabal has not been rounded up. The imagined cabal, that is. And then just go target democrats and other alleged members themselves. Hmm. Reporter sorry. We shouldnt laugh. Im not laughing. I cant believe that were discussing this. Its just because its just so ludicrous. Look, i just want to play this for you, and then well continue on. You talked a lot about qanon to Qanon Sporters about the 2020 elections. One of your conversations, here it is. It was a false election, and they took over, and thats what happened. The military took over. That could possibly happen here possibly if the military i think thats what theyre working towards. You thinks that what could happen . It could. Would you like to see it happen . Absolutely. You know why . Because the election was stolen from us. The military is doing their own investigation, and at the right time, theyre going to be restoring the republic with trump as president. Okay, donie. Oh, boy. So clearly none of that is happening. The folks youve been speaking to, these Qanon Supporters, are they getting more frustrated . Reporter yeah, and this is to the point, don, i guess if you dont laugh at this, youll cry. You know, its ridiculous, but as we have seen, you know, folks really do believe this. You know, there are people who have, because of the media they watch, the former president they listen to, they believe a lot of this stuff. Look, we talk a lot about qanon and the cabal and the ped Oh Fillic Rings and all this sort of stuff. But really this is all about the Big Lie because qanon is now essentially all talk about the Big Lie, that the election was stolen. So its all of this that is enabling all this crazy, and you hear there are people talking about myanmar, you know, as americans looking on to say, wow, that would be great if that happened here. And you say, that sounds ridiculous. Yet, then, a few weeks ago we heard trumps former national security adviser, general michael flynn, appearing to endorse that before then walking it back. So this is something that really folks are very, very engaged in. And as you say, its its crazy and, you know, you could laugh at it. But obviously its deadly serious. I dont think its funny. I just think its laughable. That was more this is more out of exasperation and exhaustion. Exactly. I dont find it funny at all. Its just anyways, i want to get your reaction to a rare apology from someone known for pushing Qanon Conspiracy theories. You know who im talking about, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene making these disgusting comments comparing Mask Mandates to the holocaust. But after visiting the Holocaust Museum today, heres what she said. The holocaust is theres nothing comparable to it. Its its it happened, and, you know, over 6 Million jewish people were murdered. The horrors of the holocaust are something that some people dont even believe happened and some people deny. But there is no comparison to the holocaust, and there are words that i have said and remarks that i have made that i know are offensive. And for that, i want to apologize. It appears to be a rare moment of contrition because she has doubled down on her ignorant and antisemitic comments before. So what is this all about . Reporter it is interesting to see that aboutface given that she has been given this opportunity to clarify her comments. But she has doubled down in the past. To see this happening was interesting of course. This is from the woman who just a few years ago who was talking on the internet about jewish Space Lasers being responsible for Forest Fires in california. Yep. So, again, that is the again, the laughable part. Thank you very much. Reporter thanks, don. Joining me now, democratic congressman Mike Quigley off illinois, who sits on the house intelligence committee. Congressman, thank you. I appreciate you joining us this evening. The House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler said he is going to investigate the Trump Justice Department issuing subpoenas targeting your colleagues in the house. Former white House Counsel don mcgahn, the media, and others. In a statement, he says, it is also possible that these cases are merely our first glimpse into a coordinated effort by the Trump Administration to target president trumps political opposition. How how deep do you think that this potential abuse of power goes because it is an enormous abuse of power . Sure. I think youve seen the tip of the iceberg. I think the chairman is absolutely right. I mean, weve seen the other abuses within this admini administration. Would we imagine within doj this would be his only foray . Absolutely not. I think the Attorney General, for one, needs to have a fouryear Damage Assessment internally, going beyond the inspector generals report to see exactly what took place because we know theres still people, still officials there who oversaw this charade. One left today, but there are others. Im concerned there are other activities within doj, but he had a whole government at his disposal. Whos to know, given his tactics, that he wouldnt do the exact same thing or worse within, for example, the Intelligence Community . So it is a great concern. The Attorney General Merrick Garland is promising the doj will and i quote here strengthen the departments existing policies and procedures for seeking congressional records. Do you think thats enough . I think its enough during his administration. I mean theres obviously much more to do. But the fact of the matter is if a tyrant like trump becomes president again or someone like him, whos to say they dont change those policies back or they dont disregard them . So its ongoing. So much of this depends on the american public not willing to accept this kind of behavior and to recapture their democracy. So democrats on the senate Judiciary Committee sent a letter to garland demanding evidence, including copies of the actual subpoenas. What questions do you need answered from the a. G. . Yeah. Im not surprised senator Durbins Team theyre on the ball like i thought theyd be. You know, what were the legal and factual predicates for them to move forward . Who made these decisions . I would ask, what else were you doing along these lines . And i think most important, was the President Of The United States involved in any Way Or Anyone else at the White House . Now, we know he sicced the dogs on him because he publicly blamed house democrats for these leaks, and he publicly blamed the press. So, you know, no Shock Or Surprise thats who was targeted in this venture. So i think you have to move along those lines. I also want to get your take on what i just discussed with my colleague, Donie Osullivan. The Fbi Warning that qanon followers may start targeting lawmakers with actual violence. You lived through the horrors of january 6th. Are you worried that it could happen again . You know, i dont i dont want to give them the satisfaction to think that im worried about them. But im realistic enough to know that we are in harms way. I think most of my colleagues recognize that we are targets, but i also think we owe it to our country and to our democracy to recognize that and move forward. To do anything else would be to give them a victory, and we just cant let the tyrants win. Representative quigley, i also want to get your take on Marjorie Taylor Greene apologizing for her ignorant and offensive comments, comparing Mask Mandates to the holocaust. Do you accept her apology . Anytime she wants to apologize, ill accept it. But shes got a long list of things to apologize for. In the final analysis, she has to decide if she wants to serve her constituency and try to get something done in congress and not just be an extension of what trump was to this country in a vocal and extremely destructive way. Thank you, representative quigley. I appreciate your time. Glad to be here. Thank you. Hate crimes rising. Shootings are up yearoveryear. More robberies all right here in new York City. My next guest is running for mayor, touting her plans to cut 1 Billion from the Police Budget and get rid of thousands of officers. Maya wiley here next. Shes . Residue . Spots . Its not your dishwashers fault. Simply add Finish Jetdry 3in1 to rinse, dry and shine your dishes. 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Stay down reporter an off Duty Delta Airlines Flight Attendant onboard a flight from Los Angeles to atlanta. The pilot Asking For, quote, all strong males to come to the front of the aircraft to handle a problem passenger. I am very thankful that it did not end badly. Reporter passengers saying the man who police identified as 34yearold Stephon Jamar Duncan of atlanta, made an announcement over the planes p. A. System, telling everyone to take their seats and prepare to put on oxygen masks. That created quite a stir amongst everyone around us. It became very tense. Reporter the plane safely diverting to oklahoma city. According to the police report, the offduty attendant making statements about being seated next to a terrorist and stashing his personal items like Tennis Balls in various places throughout the plane. Ignoring orders from the flight crew, the report says he allegedly assaulted a Crew Member and when another offduty Crew Member tried to intervene, he pushed her against the wall and put both hands around her neck and began choking her. Cnn has reached out to duncan. Its not clear if he has legal representation. On thursday, another Delta Flight, this one from l. A. To new york, was forced to land in detroit after another passenger became disruptive. And earlier this month stop this plane. Reporter a third Delta Flight from l. A. To nashville forced to make another Emergency Landing with a passenger trying to breach the cockpit. These incidents just the latest in a string of unruly behavior in the nations skies. The faa reporting its received more than 3,000 reports of unruly passengers since the beginning of the year. The majority related to people not wanting to mask up. What were seeing onboard really is an outcome of the stress of this pandemic. People have been stretched to their limits. Reporter for now, the question is whether things could get even uglier with Summer Travel Season picking up and passenger numbers starting to approach prepandemic levels. Dan simon, cnn, san francisco. Wow. Scary. Dan, thank you very much for that. Crime is on the rise, but she wants to get rid of thousands of officers. Will new yorkers go for that . Mayoral candidate maya wiley, next. Do you have a Life Insurance Policy you no longer need . Now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. Call Coventry Direct to learn more. We thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. But we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. Our friends sold their policy to help pay for their medical bills and that got me thinking. Maybe selling our policy could help with our retirement. Im skeptical, so i did some research and called Coventry Direct. 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This is a 53yearold victim, an asian man making a Food Delivery in Brooklyn Yesterday when another cyclist rode up behind him. The second rider pulls out a large knife, stabs the victim in the back, and then just rides away. Surveillance footage released by police shows just how big the knife used by the attacker was. Its important to note here the victim is okay thankfully. Now, police say he was treated at a nearby hospital for nonlifethreatening wounds. The attack comes as crime In The City is spiking, including shootings, robberies, hate crimes, making Crime A Flashpoint in the race for new York Citys mayor. Election day just a week away. Joining me now, new York City democratic mayoral candidate maya wiley. Maya, thank you for joining us this evening. I really appreciate it. That video, beyond disturbing. What are you going to do about violent crime like this if you get elected as mayor here . That video is beyond disturbing. Its outrageous, and we have real questions about whether that was a hate crime. We know that there was something mumbled to the man who was asian, who was stabbed, and this is something thats been a devastating and unacceptable crisis in this city. But what we have to really try to do and understand is do things in the way that is smart, that goes after the problem smartly and well. And one is to recognize that we need our new York City Police Department, one, focused on the crimes that are on the rise and deploying our resources with that in mind and doing it smartly. But that also means a balance with all the things that we know will solve the problem once and for all. And this is the thing about public safety. What were trying to do is grow it and make it smarter because one of the things that is also true is that we have made a false choice that suggests we have to either choose safety from Violence Or Safety from police violence. Thats a false choice. Focus the police on the job and recognize how much of the calls that we are sending to the new York City Police Department are for things like Mental Health distress. Well, let me ask you about that, maya, because you are not using the slogan defund the police, but you are campaigning on taking 1 Billion away from the nypd budget and using that money for social services as you just mentioned. With violent crime on the rise, though, when you look at the numbers, look at whats happening i live here. Its frightening out there, and people have good reason to be frightened. Is that the right move for what is happening right now in this city . Yeah. You know why its the right move, don . Because people are frightened, and theyre frightened because so much of what were seeing in the rise in violence and crime is a result of things that we can fix. And this is important because one of the things thats true of the new York City Police Department is its unaccountable. Its budget is a Black Box and it has wasteful spending thats not smart and doesnt keep us safe. Ill give you one quick example. When i was in far rock ajaway, e of our most effective tools that prevents the gun from being shot in the first place is violence [ inaudible ] Asking For at the vigil were social workers, was traumainformed care because the truth of what were experiencing in this city, so much of it not all of it. Thats why we have a role and a job for the [ inaudible ] were having an issue with mayas signal, and unfortunately we dont have it, right . No . Okay. If we have time its back . Maya, were having trouble with your signal, which is something i probably should be asking you about, and Thats Infrastructure and a better grid when it comes to wifi. Absolutely. Absolutely. Look, the Bottom Line here go on because i want to play a Sound Bite for you from the debate. But finish your thought, and then ill play that Sound Bite. Sorry. We have connection issues. We keep were spending so much money sending Police Officers to respond to what we need mental Health Crisis responders to respond to. That would keep us safer. It would also balance what we need to balance around investments in our communities that keep us safe as well as making sure that police are keeping us safe in all the ways that we intend them to. And that also includes accountability because it is black and brown new yorkers that suffer when the job is done wrong. And we need to make sure the job is done right. This is what you said. This is last weeks mayoral debate when asked about taking guns away from Police Officers. Here it is. We have the strongest Gun Control laws in the country. The issue is how theyre coming in. So we do want a Police Department that is focused on keeping them out of the city and off our streets. Will you take the guns away from the nypd . I am not prepared to make that decision in a debate. I am going to have a civilian commissioner and a civilian commission that is going to hold the Police Accountable and make sure were safe from crime but also from police violence. So you have since clarified, saying that you dont want to take guns away from Police Officers. You also slammed your opponent, eric adams, saying that he thinks the solution to every problem is a badge and a gun. He wants people carrying guns into churches and says that when he is mayor, hes going to be packing heat. Now, adams is a retired police officer. Why is he not the right person to clean up crime in this city . Because it hasnt worked. Because so much of what were seeing in black and brown communities is bad and lazy policing rather than smart policing, that is constitutional policing. I think we all saw it over the summer when we were told by a Police Commissioner not to believe our lying eyes. And we have a way of doing it smarter because, you know, the same Communities Today that have the highest rates of Gun Violence are the same communities that had them in 1993. And they deserve the investments that we know from research, we know from what works, will keep us all safe, which is investments in mental Health Crisis response. It is more making it easier to get a job than a gun, and thats what i have in my plans. Thats what were going to do. And there is a role for policing. Just want to be very clear. I never said, and nor has anyone in this campaign, has it ever even been a Campaign Issue whether we would take guns from onduty, activeduty Police Officers. The question is, are we going to get the right response for the emergency calls were getting . Up to 40 of which is for mental Health Crisis response, not because theres a violent crime in process. This is about us meeting the needs of our people. Thats the job of government, and thats what ill do when im mayor. Yeah. Maya wiley, thank you so much. I wish we had more time and a better signal. But i think you got your point across. I think everyone got the message. Thank you so much. Best of luck to you. Thank you. Thank you. Pleasure to be with you. You as well. Weve got a cnn exclusive. A possible nuclear Plant Leak that could pose an imminent threat. Were live in shanghai, china. Plus a professors dms filled with antisemitic hate because he wrote about how to teach people about racism. Hell tell us about it straight ahead. Did you know Prilosec Otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins . Heartburn happens when Stomach Acid refluxes into the esophagus. Prilosec otc uses a unique Delayedrelease Formula that helps it pass through the tough Stomach Acid. It then works to turn down acid production, blocking heartburn at the source. With just one pill a day, you get 24hour heartburn protection. Prilosec otc. One pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. Another day, another chance. 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According to one source within the biden administration, though, this is not at a crisis level. And the company behind this plant, the french company, along with the plant itself, have both come out to say that the situation is essentially under control, that its a performance issue, that theyre working through it, and they hope to have a resolution relatively soon. So how does that square with what you just said as far as it being an imminent radiological threat . Those are not our words. Those words come from the french company that jointly runs this plant in a Waiver Request to the u. S. Department of energy. That was uncovered by our colleagues in washington, particularly zachary cohen. It suggests furthermore that the chinese were covering up the amount of radiation that was going into the atmosphere, that they were increasing the acceptable and safe limit, if you will. So its a strong accusation against the chinese. Weve asked for their comments. They have not come back to us. But it suggests one of two things. One is that the geopolitical climate between the u. S. And china is so challenging that what would normally be twoen two allied Countries Somebody picking up a Phone Calling for technical support, now has to go through this bureaucratic tape. Or it suggests now that its gone public because of our reporting, the french company is experiencing perhaps some Backlash Or Pressure from the chinese and wants to back down a bit and suggest that its more under control. Its a challenging situation either way, don. Well, the current President Of The United States, Joe Biden, david, is trying to rally allies to be more confrontational towards china. He did it at the g7 summit. He did it today at nato. He put out a communique on the challenges posed by china. We know beijing doesnt like outside pressure. How is it going to take this . Reporter they do not. Thats accurate. At the top of the hour, you had discussions over the autocratic governments that President Biden is suggesting not necessarily as the president put it, china, but suggesting that democracies are in a contest with, and this is a more difficult situation than even when the Trump Administration was in office because we heard tough words and strong rhetoric from the Trump Administration. But whats different here is you now have this coalition thats building, mounting pressure on beijing. Thats making it more challenging, especially as theyre now entering even, for example, the 2022 olympics next year, and theres talk of potential boycotts. So it is mounting Pressure And One that theyre not happy with, don. David culver, thank you. I appreciate your reporting. Thanks so much. So he wrote an article about critical Race Theory, and in return, he got a whole lot of antisemitic hate messages thrown at him. My next guest will explain the connection. Needles. 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Since it was published, he has been getting all kinds of antisemitic hate messages, some of the worst he has ever received. Jason stanley joins me now. He is the author of how Fascism Works the politics of us and them. Were going to talk about your article. I just want to know, tell me about the types of comments youre getting after writing your article on Race Theory. Well, theyre not as bad as what black journalists like yourself and others get. People say, look, obviously its jews. No surprise, its a jew who wrote this article. So what it does is it confirmed for me what id long suspected, that this attack is part of a playbook that were seeing internationally. The elite have taken over your institutions, the communists, the marxists, the jews. They are trying to give theyre trying to make you feel guilty about your culture. They have control of your children. These are Conspiracy Theories that have long had antisemitic links. So when people talk about marxist jews trying to instigate black people to overthrow whiteness, thats an old Conspiracy Theory in the united states. And this kind of Moral Panic were seeing taps into that. Yeah. I want to quote now from your article. H heres what you write. You write that politicians use critical Race Theory as cudgels in a Propaganda Campaign to advance their goals with little regard for the actual philosophies at issue. So i think critical Race Theory sounds maybe kind of scary or something, you know, to their audience or what have you. So, you know, the Conservative Networks use it and the right use it, but they dont even really understand what it is. What is their aim here . So their aim is to make us forget about the racist history of our institutions so they can then do things like reinstitute Jim Crow and have Election Laws that have this Racist Past and make it so that were not allowed to recognize that this is an echo of a Racist Past. Mmhmm. So critical Race Theory looks at the large racial inequities that persist after the civil rights movement, like the huge racial Wealth Gap between Black Americans and white americans, the segregation, the massive School Segregation that persists. And they say, well, were supposed to be all equal and free after the civil rights movement. What happened . And they say, well, its because these institutions, banking, education, Criminal Justice they they were initially theyre originally racist. They have this Racist Past. And the practices remain. There might not be as many explicit racists or few explicit racists. People arent individually racist, but the practices remain. And you have to change the practices. Yeah. And what the goal of the republican party is, ultimately to bring in Election Practices that have a Racist Past. And so they want to erase from our memory this Racist Past. Yeah. Sorry, your signal broke up a little bit. I thought you were finished with your thought, but you werent coming through. Again, let me quote again. You say the republican attack on critical Race Theorys aims is thus a broadside against Truth And History in education. Listen, i believe all along that, you know, we need to be taught the truth about this country early on, right . As young as grade school, as early as grade school. Why do they fear the truth of a history being taught more widely . We need it because we cant we cant do policy. If we want to really address the problems in this country with our massive prison system, the Policing Problems you discussed earlier in the show, the fact that we put such massive effort into policing and into militarized police and less into jobs and Mental Health, then we need to address the fact that these institutions that there are these large gaps between whites and blacks because of a racist history. If you erase that racist history from our schools, then we Cant Address these problems. We cant actually do policy. You say to people, look, we have to change these practices because the practice of sending lots of Police Officers into neighborhoods rather than improving schools and giving them jobs comes from a racist reaction in the past. If you erase that history, people wont know that. And i think we need to talk about the Election Laws because thats whats really happening. They want us to forget that restrictions on voting have a long Racist Past in the united states. This conversation is fascinating, and you should read in The Economist Jason Stanleys article. Race in america, Jason Stanley on critical Race Theory and why it matters. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thank you for watching, everyone. Our coverage continues. Spots . Its not your dishwashers fault. Simply add Finish Jetdry 3in1 to rinse, dry and shine your dishes. 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