Will states who are behind get enough shots in arms. Well speak with Tate Reeves ahead. Hello, im Jake Tapper in washington where the state of our union is stuck in construction traffic. Tomorrow President Biden is set to talk again with the chief republican negotiator on infrastructure. But the bridge between republicans and the White House is moving difficult to cross. President biden has rejected the republicans latest Counter Offer on friday and the sides are still about 700 Billion in new spending apart on a deal with no agreement on how to pay for it. Democratic lawmakers are looking across the aisle and many are growing increasingly impatient. They see the republican colleagues prepared to block action on a range of issues on an expansive voting Rights Bill and mostly unwilling to call out former President Trumps ongoing and frankly unhinged lies about the election. Lies that some brave soles continue to warn to undermine our democracy. As pressure builds on President Biden, Joe Manchin tells cnn hes still holding out for a bipartisan bill. Joining us now Jennifer Granholm who is part of this team negotiating any sort of deal. Secretary granholm, good to see you. Thank you for joining us. Just to recap, first the biden administration said they wanted major action by memorial day. Thats come and gone. Secretary buttigieg, the transportation secretary, told me last week he wanted a clear direction by tomorrow. How much longer are you willing to keep talking . Do they have a week . A month . You know, jake, this has got to be done soon. Without putting a specific date on it. You noted they talked on friday. Theyre going to talk on monday. The thing is, its just a bit perplexing why the republicans havent moved further on critical pieces. And ill just say this. In my world, i space, republicans have pushed for pieces of the Energy Infrastructure that the president had put into the american jobs plan that are not in their Counter Offer. For example, theyve been talking about investing in the transmission grid. Thats infrastructure. Both making it more resilient, making it cyber proof, expanding capacity. Thats not in their Counter Offer. Theyve been talking about expanding and supporting nuclear. That was in the president s plan. Its not in their plan. Theyve been talking about i just came from West Virginia, touring West Virginia with Joe Manchin. Theres so much despair there in terms of loss of Fossil Fuel jobs. So the president put in his plan the ability for workers like Coal Miners to be able to be put to work in reclaiming abandoned Coal Mines and Oil And Gas wells. Republicans have talked about that. They have voted for it. Thats not in their bill. And that its not in their counterproposal. Including removing Carbon Pollution from Fossil Fuel industries by putting pipes under ground to take that Carbon Pollution and store it underground. Those are infrastructure plays that republicans have voted for and talked about. It was in bidens plan, its not in theirs. Its curious why there isnt more coming together. The president still has hope, Joe Manchin still had hope. Theyll be talking on monday. The house will start their markup on wednesday. The house okay. Republicans want to repurpose some of the Coronavirus Relief dollars to help pay for this. And President Biden said on friday that the latest Jobs Report was great news, more jobs created in the first four months than any other previous president. Were seeing higher inflation, many states have a budget surplus. If thats all true what biden is saying about the jobs prospects in this country, whats the harm in taking some of this money from Covid Relief Bills and using it for infrastructure . That seems like an area where you guys could give. And he has. What was proposed by Joe Biden coming in their direction was to take some of the covid Bills Money that was unspent preamerican rescue plan, the stuff that was passed last year and say, all right, ill give you that. Well put that toward it. Hes come in their direction on the rates from 2017. That was their red line. He gave that back to them. Its just it is frustrating that theres not more coming together on this. But as the president s red line, as you have heard, that inaction is red line. So there will be action. Were just hopeful that we can see it in a bipartisan way. That would be good for the country. Republicans still want more of the Covid Relief Dollars that have already been allocated to be repurposed and thats what theyre proposing. I get the point that biden has moved a little bit in their direction. But they want him to move even further on these dollars. Let me ask you about Joe Manchin who you just mentioned. You spent time with him in West Virginia. He obviously is the pivotal vote, perhaps, when it comes to this legislation. Lets take a listen to what he told cnns manu raju. I know everyone is in a hurry right now. We have to bring our country together. We cant continue to split and go further apart. We got to work together. And that takes a lot of time and energy and patience. You cant do this without manchins vote, even if you decide to forego any republican votes, you need him. Are you confident hes going to support this when its introduced . Well, im confident if theres a bipartisan vote he will definitely be there. And hes working to help shape it. And he sees the investments that i just described, for example, the making sure that were able to remove co2 from Fossil Fuel production, hes in support of that. It will be important that he is in the mix in negotiating this and bringing republicans along. Ultimately, whats good for West Virginians, they need these investments. They built energy 1. 0, they got us to where we are as a nation. Joe biden wants to see have them see their future in energy 2. 0. So does Joe Manchin. You didnt answer my question because the question is, Would Manchin Vote for a bill if its just democrats and you said he would vote for it if its bipartisan. I dont know of any republicans who are willing to vote thats his preference. Not just preference. That might be his line, though, right . Right, of course, thats his Line And Youll have to ask him about where his ultimate Bottom Line is. But i know that he sees the faces of people who need these investments too. And he is he is, in the end, he represents a state that needs to be able to move forward economically and these investments will help his state. You would have to ask him about where his Bottom Line is and how long we have to try to be able to get republican support. I just wish the that the republicans the investments that i described would help West Virginia. Lets put those investments in this bill. We might be able to bring it across and Show America that you know what, things are working. Just to explain to our viewers whats going on, biden and his team, including you and buttigieg, have been negotiating this bill for the democrats and Senator Shelly Morcapito is with the republicans. It includes Joe Manchin, Susan Collins of maine, mitt romney, kyrsten sinema. Its a bipartisan group working on a separate infrastructure plan. They could reveal that as soon as this week. Are you optimistic about what this group might come up with, is President Biden going to be willing to meet with them before or after Talks End . Of course. He is willing to meet with anyone who will help to move this forward, the clock is ticking. There is an End Point to this discussion. Perhaps there can be a meshing of efforts. Ultimately, we have to get to 10 republican votes to be able to pass this in regular order. Thats the hope. If that doesnt work and if you cant get republican votes, going through this Manchin Process with this Plan B will help you get manchin on board at the end of the day one way or the other. Let me ask you about cyber. Fbi director Christopher Wray made headlines this week when he told the Wall Street Journal that he sees parallels between the Ransomware Attacks and 9 11. You told congress last month that you think the Energy Sector needs to do better at defending itself against cyberthreats. Most of the Energy Sector, most of how we get power in this country is the private sector. Its not government. Do you think that adversaries of the united states have the capability right now to shut down the Power Grid . Yeah, they do. I think that there are very malign actors who are lying even as we speak. There are thousands of attacks on all aspects of the Energy Sector and the private sector generally. The meat plant, for example. Its happening all the time. This is why the private sector and the Public Sector have to work together. And this is what the president is doing. Hes working with our allies, hes working with countries Around The World because other countries, even russia, they dont want to see their sectors attacked by malign actors, by Rogue Nonstate actors, not to mention state actors. Working with other countries, working with the private sector, working inside of our own government, the president has issued these Executive Orders to make sure that our own house is in order, making sure that citizens are able to protect themselves. My mother who is 86 years old two weeks ago got a cyber not ransomware, but was hacked. The Bottom Line is, we have all got to up our game with respect to our cyberdefenses. The president is doing that. His executive order. Just to quickly say, on the pipelines, because the pipelines were a concern, obviously, the tsa, which actually regulates the pipelines has now required the pipelines to report cyber incidents to the federal government so that we at least we have intel. But the Bottom Line is, people whether youre private or Public Sector, you shouldnt be paying Ransomware Attacks because it only encourages the bad guys. I heard from the former director of national intelligence, he thinks theres going to be legislation to compel private industry to work with the government more on these issues because so far the Volunteer System in his view is not working. Jennifer granholm, thanks so much for being with us today. We appreciate it. You bet. Joe manchin is not the only senator who has intended to do away with the filibuster. Senator Angus King will join me next. Psome states are Sitting Ducks for the next Covid Outbreak if they do not pick it up with vaccinations. Stay with us. Find your rhythm. 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Government alone cannot deal with the threat. Joining us now, senator Angus King, independent of maine. Hes an independent who caucuses with the democrats and joins us live from maine. Thanks so much for joining us, senator. You said this week that you cannot overstate how concerned you are with the cyberattacks. You cochair the Cyberspace Commission and sit on the u. S. Intelligence committee. What are you most concerned about and has the u. S. Responded offensively through retaliatory cyberattacks . Well, youve asked two or three questions there. Ill take the last one first. There has been some responses. Both from nsa and from the biden administration in terms of things like sanctions. So there have been responses, but i think we need to step that up. One of the problems is over the past 15 or 20 years as weve had these series of cyberattacks from north korea, russia, china, we really havent responded. Weve been a cheap date and you cant defend yourself simply by bobbing, weaving and patching. The accedversary has to realize there will be a cost for attacking the united states or our critical infrastructure and thus far they havent felt that. I think thats a piece of this that we have to do. The other piece as you mentioned in your intro, we keep getting Wakeup Calls and keep not waking up. And the problem is, this is a complex issue. 85 or 90 of the target space, jake, is in the private sector. So the federal government can do everything right and not that we are and theres a lot of things were working on as you mentioned the Commission Weve been working on for the last three years, weve made a lot of laws, Got A National Cyber director going into the place in the next two or three weeks, but it all depends on what happens in the private sector. If one person at one desktop in the Operation Center of a Pipeline System bites on a Phishing Email or opens an attachment they shouldnt, then were sunk. This is a its a cliche to say all of government, but this is all of everybody has got to be in on this. And just so people understand, as you noted, most of the whats threatened here is private sector. And the former director of national intelligence of george w. Bush was on my show on friday and he was basically voicing the opinion that because the private sector has not risen to the challenge, there might be legislation needed to compel them to be better on this. Do you agree . Yes. One of the particular areas that were talking about is systemically important critical infrastructure. The grid, the Pipeline System, financial system, transportation, water system, which we havent talked a lot about, but were vulnerable in terms of our water systems. I believe there has to be mandatory Breach Reporting and they got to subject themselves to what we call Pen Testing to see just how good their cyberdefenses are. In exchange, they need to be provided with some kind of Liability Protection if. If theyre going to be forthcoming. We need a new relationship between the private sector and the federal government. And i realize the Term Relationship is kind of an oxymoron. But thats what weve to establish. There has to be trust and realtime the colonial pipeline, my understanding is, it wasnt reported to the government for four or five days. I think they had already paid the ransom and the federal government has a lot of resources and assets that can help on these things. Weve got to know whats going on. Yes, i think some kind of mandatory Incident Reporting is going to be necessary and its got to be burdens and benefits, particularly for these important critical infrastructure pieces. Are you worried at all that President Bidens desire for a stable relationship with russia is getting in the way of what is needed in terms of a response to the cyberattacks coming from russia . Well, clearly, you know, hes got to walk a tight rope here. He wants to have a decent relationship. They can be important in a lot of areas, the arctic and other areas of the world. They can be a stabilizing influence or destabilizing influence. But on the other hand, im positive that cyber is going to be on the table when theyre discussing these things. And part of the problem is, its one thing when its a state actor, when its russia the russian government attacking us as they did in the 2016 election. Its a little more difficult when its a russian criminal organization based in sat. Petersburg or moscow. They got to quit tolerating this within their border. If we had an international Bank Robbery Outfit in virginia that was robbing banks in europe, wed come down on them. Our Law Enforcement would come down on them. And thats we need that kind of reciprocal relationship. They cant just say, we dont know anything about this. A sparrow doesnt fall in russia that putin doesnt know about. I want to turn to another issue here at home, a Voting Rights. Senator Joe Manchin wrote this morning saying he will not support the voting Rights Legislation called the for the people act. Youve been working on this in the senate rules committee. Senator schumer says hes going to bring it up for a vote this month. There are other democrats, democratic State Election officials who have concerns about the legislation as written. Do you support the bill as written . No, i think there are things that can be modified and Chuck Schumer knows that and Amy Klobuchar ive said that all along. Its a 900,000 page bill. There are things that need to be negotiated. And i think Joe Manchin realizes that. But the guts of it, jake, is Voting Rights. It has a lot of other pieces. It has, for example, public financing of elections, it has a lot of other pieces in it. But the important part for me is protecting Voting Rights and i think thats becoming more urgent by the day based upon whats going on around in the states. And, jake, theres an important point here. There are two things going on with Voting Rights. One is getting a lot of publicity, the other not so much. The publicity is about things like limiting Absentee Ballots and early voting and all of those kinds of things. The other piece, though, jake, that isnt being talked about, a lots of states are considering changes that the legislature could overturn the results of an election in their state. Remember raffensperger to do up in georgia and said we certified these elections. Im worried that theyre going to turn that over and say, okay, a republican legislature could say, you know, we think there was fraud in Fulton County and therefore were going to certify a different set of electors. Thats really dangers and that didnt happen in 20, but it could. Voting rights is critical and i dont know i havent talked to joe about it in particular. We got to focus on what the most crucial issue is, which is protecting democracy. Theres a lot of legislation that has been stalled in the 50 50 senate. You wrote that the fate of the filler buster, whether or not the senate will continue to require 60 bovotes, what are th doing today . Are they negotiating in good faith . Do you support eliminating the filibuster . Weve been negotiating in good faith for about two months on this competitiveness bill, the Competitiveness And Innovation bill thats designed to help us compete in china. Thats been entirely bipartisan. It sort of stalled right before we left town last week. Hopefully, were going to be able to finalize that. Thats a good example of how we can work together. But i was thinking about that bill, if the bill had had Joe Bidens name on it, we wouldnt even be talking about it, i dont think. Thats sort of where weve gotten. This Bill Bubbled up and started with Chuck Schumer and todd young, republican of indiana and it came up spontaneously, which are the way things are supposed to work, through committee, but on other areas, as you say, its been pretty well stalled. I think the Infrastructure Bill is a good test because, listen, theres not a lot of policy there. This is just numbers. Its helping the country and we ought to be able to find a resolution on that. If we cant, that spells trouble. Were out of time. But just to get a yes or no, it sounds like you are not in a place where you are ready to get rid of the filibuster yet . Not in general. Im very reluctant about it. If it comes down to Voting Rights and the rights of americans to go to the polls and select their leaders versus the filibuster, ill choose democracy. 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Joining me now, the governor of one of them, republican governor of mississippi, Tate Reeves. Im sure mississippi is dead last in the right now when it comes to vaccinations. Only 30 of mississippi residents are fully vaccinated. It does not look like youre going to meet President Bidens goal. Why are is mississippi so far behind the rest of the country . First of all, thanks for having me on, jake. Its a pleasure to come on and talk to you about these very important issues. Let me begin by saying that i believe that the vaccine works. I believe its safe. I believe its a effective. I took my first dose . January as did my wife on tv live and ive encouraged mississippians to do the same. But i also want to point out President Bidens goals for July 4th or otherwise are arbitrarily to say the least. Heres the reality. For over a year, we tried to focus our goals on reducing hospitalizations, reducing the number of individuals in icu beds because we think the most important thing is, if you get the virus, if you can get better with good Quality Care that you receive that Quality Care. At our peak, we had 1,444 individuals in the hospital. Today we have 131. Were down 90 . At our peak we had 2,400 cases per day over a sevenday period. Over the last seven days, weve had barely 800 cases in total over those seven days. And so for that entire year period, the goalpost was, lets reduce the number of cases and weve been successful at doing that. The question is, why have we been successful at doing that . Weve had A Million mississippians who have gotten the Vaccine But Weve had 320,000 mississippians that have tested positive for the virus. Many people believe that somewhere between 4 and 5 times for people that have gotten the virus that have not tested have actually received have gotten the virus. And so weve got somewhere between 1 Million or so mississippians that have natural immunity and because of that, there is very, very, very little virus in our state. Were still working to get the vaccine distributed and hope well continue to do so. I appreciate that things are gotten safer for mississippians, but what happens when theres another wave if so many mississippians are not vaccinated. I want you to take a listen to Public Health officials issuing a stark warning for states such as yours. Take a listen. This virus is an opportunist and that where we have low rates of vaccination are where we may see it again. Theyre Sitting Ducks for the next outbreak of covid19 which shouldnt have to happen now. Are you worried that mississippians who dont get vaccinated are going to be Sitting Ducks, as you just heard from the Nih Director . Well, the same Public Health experts are the same individuals that have been advising President Biden who said in march that we were all neanderthals because we were willing to open our state up and open our economy up. They were wrong then and theyre wrong now. Am i worried . Youve heard me say this throughout this pandemic, if the question is, are you concerned with respect to the pandemic, the answer is, always yes no matter what the remaining words in the sentence is. And thats just a fact. Were going to continue to monitor it very closely. But the fact is, were down 98 since early january. Weve had less than 50 mississippians in icu beds with the coronavirus as of friday. The situation is much different than any of the Public Health experts warned us in march. The president came after me personally. Thats okay. Im fine with that. But the question is the why . Why are we taking the vaccine, jake . The reason the vaccine is being distributed and thank god for the Trump Administration that we were so quick in getting it done, but the reason its been distributed is to drive numbers down. And its happening in our state and im hopeful its happening in other states as well. First of all, just as a point of clarification, i think it was biden who used the term neanderthal, thinking, not his advisers. Dr. Collins who you heard from there was also an Nih Director during the Trump Administration. I guess just the point is, you seem to be arguing two things, arguing everybody should get vaccinated and yet its not that Big A deal that not everybody is getting vaccinated and those seem to be in conflict. You would argue you would agree that mississippians watching right now should go get vaccinated, yes . I would absolutely agree, jake. I think that all mississippians and all americans should go get vaccinated because i think its safe. I think its effective. And i think its one way to continue to drive down the numbers. But ill also, jake and save lives what ive heard from you and other its not just about numbers individuals can make their own decision, jake, as to he to protect themselves and families. Governments role here is to make the vaccine available, to make it easily accessible for americans, to make it easily accessible for mississippians. Weve done that in our state. Weve done that in many other states around the country and i encourage my fellow mississippians to get vaccinated. But thats an individual choice. Weve got to get out of this idea that Central Government in washington, d. C. , knows best on all decisions. Thats the view of the biden administration and so many others in the far left. Im not sure what you think i disagree with what you said. I dont support mandatorily vaccinating people. I think youre contradicting yourself. Lets move on because theres a couple other very important issues that have to do with mississippi. The u. S. Supreme court is going to hear arguments next term regarding a Mississippi Law which bans abortions after 15 weeks, no exceptions for rape or incest. Is it your hope that the Supreme Court will use this law as a vehicle for overturning or undermining roe v. Wade . Well, jake, let me just tell you that for people such as myself that are prolife, i believe that the Supreme Court made a mistake in the 1970s. But thats not the issue at stake that is before the court, hopefully when the arguments are heard sometime in the fall. The question that is before the court this is something that you mentioned earlier and thats with respect to understanding and appreciating and respecting science, the fact is, we know so much more in America Today about the formation of young children in the womb than we did when roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. We know more now than when casey was decided. What we know now, jake, is that we know that the heart has partially formed at 15 weeks. We know that the baby in the womb is practicing breathing. We know that most internal organs have started to form and we believe that child is viable outside the womb. The question is not are you going to overturn roe v. Wade, the question is, the science has changed and it makes sense for the court to review their decisions from the past and this is a vehicle for which to them to do it. What do you say to a mississippian who says, why are you telling a girl who has been rapeed by her uncle that she had to carry the child to term . Im not telling any child in mississippi anything. What im Telling Everyone is, we believe that abortions are murdering millions and millions and millions of americans across many, many years and its a sad, sad State Of Affairs and were going to work very hard to make sure that when that baby becomes viable, that it is a treated as a Human Life because thats exactly what it is. All right, Governor Tate reeves, thank you so much. Appreciate your time today. Hope you enjoy this beautiful June Day in mississippi. Thank you, jake. They were threatening violence, but agree to disagree. Why Mike Pence giving a pass to January 6th is a dangerous sign for democracy. Thats next. Where theres pain,. But excedrin pulls me back in a way others dont. And it relieves my symptoms fast for real migraine relief. Trelegy for copd. Birds flyin high you know how i feel breeze drifting on by you know how i feel [man coughing] its a new dawn, its a new day. No matter how you got copd its time to make a stand. 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That day that they dont see Eye To eye on is the January 6th capitol insurrection. An Insurrection Incited by trump through months of lying about the election and specifically lying about what Mike Pence could do about the election. I hope mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All Vice President pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people. Trump wanted pence to overturn the fair democratic election. Of course, our founding fathers did not bestow upon the office of Vice President such powers. So the rabid crowd, one of whose members had constructed a noose near the capitol, they started calling for Vice President Mike Pence to be lynched. Hang Mike Pence. Pence and his family were whisked away by security. There was a very real fear that day for Mike Pences life and the lives of his family members. Not only did President Trump not reach out to his loyal Vice President that day to make sure that he was okay, trump praised the mob. An event where a mob tried to lynch you is not something any rational person would agree to agree with anyone on. And for what its worth, i do consider Mike Pence to be rational. But whats happening is, Mike Pence is no longer in a rational world. Hes trying to function and thrive in donald trumps Alternative Universe and in this deranged place, not only was the election stolen it wasnt but we learned from multiple reports in the last few days let by the New York Times maggie haberman, trump believes he could be reinstated as president in august because of these unofficial and frankly fraudulent Ballot Audits going on in places such as arizona. Thats not going to happen at all. Theres no reality to it. But instead of republican officials making that clear, theyre hiding and trying to change the subject. Trying to change the subject from the very clear statement by trumps former national Security Adviser Mike Flynn. I want to know why what happened in Myanmar Cant happen here. No reason. It should happen. No reason. Just to be clear. That was Mike Flynn being asked by a member of the audience why what happened in myanmar, a military coup, why cant it happen here . He said, no reason. It should happen here. Flynn is trying to claim he meant something else, trying to mean he didnt say theres no reason that a coup should happen here, it should. But you heard it with your own ears. And Mike Flynn has been proposing some form of Military Force in the u. S. , partial Martial Law to force states to hold new elections so as to give trump the presidency. This weekend, we learned some troubling new information about efforts by the trump White House to overturn the election in december and early january. The New York Times first to report that white House Chief of Staff Mark meadows asked the acting Attorney General to investigate insane conspiracy theories, insane ones about supposed election fraud, including the idea that italy used satellites to change votes from trump to biden. Italy. Italy. But Liz Cheney Hasburn waning us all at great professional cost, i should add, that people that tried to steal the election in 2020 will try it again and next time will be better positioned. For example, what happens if republicans recapture the house in 2022. Which seems utterly possible, and choose to be led by top republicans kevin mccarthy, and Steve Scalise and Elise Stefanik who pushed election lies and continue to push election lies and voted on January 6 based on those lies to disenfranchise millions of voters in pennsylvania and arizona, states that biden won. Do you think that mccarthy, Scalise And Stefanik will stand up for democracy and the u. S. 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