In gaza. What was the evidence behind israels claims that hamas was in the building. We have new information and were going to take you inside of the meeting between the a. P. And the israeli ambassador to the u. S. With reps from both sides coming up. Plus Propublica Bombshell about the taxes of american billionaires, but what about the course of the information. Were going to get into the ethic debate with a top editor from propublica, coming up. But first gagging the news media. There is a big meeting coming you on monday at the Justice Department and it effects all of us because it is about the first amendment. For several weeks weve learned how the trump era doj spied on the press and pursued leakers to do so. First we learned about the secret seizing of Phone Records from reporters and then the gag orders against the New York Times and cnn. And now there are still so many questions out there. Recenttories have also shown how democrats on capitol hill were also targeted by trumps doj so it is obviously why he set the tone from the top by Blasting Leakers for four years. Id like to find out who leaked to the papers. I biggest leakers. I cant believe it didnt get leakers. It is leakers and liars. Were going to find the leakers. Theyre going to pay a big price for leaking. So now what . How is the biden era doj going to right these wrongs considering the gag order for the New York Times remains in place well after biden took office. This affects everybody. As because Charlie Savage wrote in the New York Times this weekend, the seizure of Journalist Communications data jeopardizes particular sources but could frighten others with newsworthy information into staying silent. So you may know less about your government and that brings us to monday. Merrick garland responding the to the high level meeting. Hes going to citizen down with some of the people on the screen, the New York Times and Washington Post and cnn. One of the attendees will be sam feist. The Washington Bureau chief and he is here with me now. Sam, thanks for coming on. It is always a special occasion when youre here with me. Morning, brian. Thank you for having me. Weve learned a few days ago, well lets go back to last sunday, i was blowing up your phone saying were we under a gag order and low and behold a few days later we learned that the top lawyer was indeed under a gag order into the Barbara Starr case where her email records were obtained by the government. What do we know about that situation with cnn . So, what we know and what you and i werent in a position to talk about last sunday is that cnn was under a gag order, our General Council for 11 months. The government was seeking an extraordinary trove of records, Phone Records, email records, personal email of our pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr and david knew it but he couldnt tell us, he couldnt tell me. He couldnt even tell Barbara Starr because of the unprecedented department of justice gag order that they had imposed on him. So he had to litigate this with the government in the dark without being able to share with frankly his clients and we never [ no audio ] they were calling for a meeting with the doj even before we learned about the gag orders. So what is on agenda on monday with the Attorney General . So, it is a simple goal. It is to protect the Freedom Of The Press now and in the future. I dont think it is i think it is interesting today, this very day is the 50th Anniversary of the New York Times publication of the Pentagon Papers, june 13th, 1971. What our goal is tomorrow is to make sure that the Pentagon Papers and other stories of extraordinary Public Interest could be published in the future. So our job is to protect that and to protect journalists. Do you expect garland to be forthcoming . For example, we dont know why the trump doj was going after Barbara Starrs or what leak they were pursuing. Do you expect the doj now to tell us is that. We dont know the story. We know that in the summer of 2017, the period that the records cover, Barbara Starr was reporting on afghanistan, and iran and syria and north korea. But we have no idea what story they were even looking at in this investigation. So were hoping that theyre going to give us more. Were hoping theyre going to tell us more. We do know that in an Inspector General investigation has been opened and we welcome that. But of course we want to learn more about what they were looking for and of course the most important goal tomorrow is to prevent this from happening in the future not just by the Biden Administration, but by future administrations. Lets get to that in a second. But did Trump Weaponize the doj to targetia enemies. It loo it looks that way to me. It is not like garland has the answer to that. But not an accident that the three News Organizations targeted by trumps Justice Department were cnn, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. These are the organizations where that were at the top of his list of enemies of the American People. So for him for him, his administration to target the three of us and only the three of us, i think that is unlikely an accident. Whether Merrick Garland knows the details of how that came about, we dont know, but were certainly going to ask. And a few weeks ago when this started to come out and Kaitlan Collins asked the president about, it biden vowed this could stop. It seems like this was a impromptu matter that led the doj to address this matter for fully. So now we have this vow from biden and from garland but will they constitutionalize that. And Merrick Garland and the president has stated that those in the Biden Administration are not going to do what the Trump Administration did and that is great and we appreciate that and that will cover up until the end of the Biden Administration. But what can what were asking the Attorney General tomorrow is to try to bind future administrations. Dont just send a memo. Change policy. Change the u. S. Attorneys manual. Update Justice Department policies so that future u. S. Attorneys, assistant u. S. Attorneys and Justice Department lawyers and Attorney Generals will have to follow those guidelines and that were asking for and we want a regulation that will make it more difficult. And more broadly, the question on screen, what could we have done to secure media phone and email logs. Reporters are careful when dealing with anonymous stories and we know the case. Are newsrooms changing the way they operate because of this concern about logs being swept up by the government . So, newsrooms have already changed the way they operate. Reporters are more careful than ever, using Reporting Techniques that they didnt use before. But this is a reminder that the government has vast awesome powers to scoop up not just their work email, but their Phone Records and personal Phone Records and in the case of Barbara Starr, her personal email account which is frankly unprecedented. But reporters are aware of this. They know that the government has these powers and reporters are and hopefully even more so in the future are being extraordinarily careful not to not to communicate with Confidential Sources using those more traditional methods. Sam, thank you so much for previewing the meeting. Thanks, brian. Coming up here, new hope for u. S. Journalist austin tice missing in syria for almost a decade. Could the Biden Administration broker a deal . That is coming up. But first following the murdoch money, the stunning divide between father and son right after that. Welcome to allstate, are you down, dddown, dddown, dddown where were driving down the cost of insurance. Are you down, down ddown, down . Are you drivers who switched saved over 700. Allstate. Here, better protection costs a whole lot less. Youre in good hands. Click or call for a lower rate today. Why do i do it . Because i love the challenge . God no. I do it for the beer. [sfx thunder rumbles] [sfx rainstorm] comfort in the extreme. The lincoln family of luxury suvs. In one america, dr. Fauci is trusting and even immoralized. In the other america,ez tarnished and distrusted. Dont believe me . Take a look. The fauci era is officially over. Right wing tv has cast dr. Fauci is the role of villain. Grouchy fauci. Dr. Doom and gloom, dr. Flipflop fauci. Gop lawmakers are echoing at tack showing the Feedback Loop in full effect. An activist scientist, an if arm of the china propaganda machine. It is as if President Biden is a weak target of the antidemocrat media so they are Assailing Fauci instead. Dr. Fauci has been more politician than physician. Faucis Voter Registration shows hes affiliated with no party. Hes worked for democratic and republican president s. But now hes become a republican boogeyman. His emails are a new excuse. Sean hannitiy claiming that fauci said one thing about the Lab Leak Theory in public and another in private. These emails providing growing evidence fouch auci was warned and downplayed it repeatedly. Emails portrayed as scandalous. Where have we seen this trick before . Axios calling fauci trumps new hillary clinton. A free dpom of Information Request revealed march from April Of 2020 show that an executive ties to China Wuhan Institute of virology thanks fauci for supporting a natural origin of the virus. The origin is still being probed by the Biden Administration and fauci is saying that bad faith actors are taking his words way out of comments. I said the most likely origin is a jumping of species. I still do think it is at the same time as im keeping an open mind that it might be a lab leak. Keeping an open mind, what an original concept. These gop lawmakers minds are made up. As they call for faucis resignation, thereby providing more content for gop. He should be fired. He should go. Dr. Fauci has blood on his hands. But fauci is not taking it all in silence. Fauci is asserting that the hits against him are attacks on science. Because all of the things that i have spoken about consistently from the very beginning have been fundamentally based on science. Sometimes those things were inconvenient truths for people and there was push back against me. And that garnered more scorn. He could speak for him s selves, hell find a place on Nicole Wallaces show. Are they trying to redeem donald trump excusing the pandemic failures, is it bigger than that. With me from the bulwark and Amanda Carp Enter and what is going on. Some of these attacks are certainly over heats but there is a vibrant and legitimate discussion about what happened during the pandemic and dr. Fauci is the face of the pandemic. People have questions, about the way things were closed down, vaccines, even the Lab Leak Theory, and i think it is good that dr. Fauci has been a public messenger, but he has had some missteps that made people on the right upset. Misleading people about masks because he wanted to preserve them for First Responders and the people that could have Herd Immunity and there are some questions and there should be some criticism and when he comes before the camera, he adopts the posture your into the criticizing me, youre criticizing science. I think when he takes that defensive posture, that just invites all of the more attacks. Criticism fair, but oliver, saying arrest fauci and that is shows how totally. And it is one thing to criticize someone and have a debate that is fair and it is another thing to say like you just played, he has brood on his hands and that is sort of what youre seeing saturating right wing media these days. And then youre in a fantasy land because that is not going to happen and it is a fantasy. Is the Bigger Picture that when attacks dont stick, The Fox World finds new targets. Because you wrote in our newsletter that week, the Critical Race Theory is an obsession of maga media and obsession of fox, it is talked about constantly in right wing tv. So that is an example of moving on to a new target. I think that is right. If you do watch fox and Pay Attention to the right wing media landscape, you see more looking at other targets. It is not biden, it is going after critical race and fauci and like amanda said, it should be debated in good faith. In Critical Race Theory could be one of those aspects. But the problem is that you dont see that in these in right wing media. It is about attacking and demonizing and it is not conducive to a good debate. Well, amanda, what is going on with crt. What is the core of this sudden ive seen people call it a moral panic . Well, listen, it is been very popular, i think traditionally over the past few decades for the conservatives and the right to mount opposition to school curriculum. Like weve had uproars over common core and the School Crick Column has changed not because of the Critical Race Theory but adopting more inclusion when it comes to back history. Ive seen this with my children. I do not think Critical Race Theory is being taught in schools but there is certainly more discussion of race. And so i think when regular people see this on tv, fox blaring this is a dangerous theory being adopted that teaches your children to hate others, they sort of late it that way. It is get something traction. Well see how long it works. First it is dr. Seuss, mr. Potato head, Critical Race Theory and transgender bathrooms, these things could have a flash in the pan quality. I hear people saying dont talk about race. Dont talk about race. And talking about narratives in right wing media and Vice President harris, the narrative was why wont she go to the border and that week that narrative moves over to nbc, moved over into the rest of the media during her trip to mexico and guatemala, didnt it . It did. Another area where Kamala Harris did not perform well in the interview with lester holt. But the focus on fox has been to again demonize her. She doesnt care about you or the americans on border and not even going to the border. And this is every hour theyre looking to really demonize her. Not biden but her. But that you the media story here. Again, it is fair to criticize her on this thing but it is really just saturated right wing media in a way that it places a lot of too many emphasize on this Media Misstep than to the issues. This is from a source at the end of the book of hoax and this is what i was hearing from a liberal voice inside of fox. She said the biden teams that no idea what they are up against. And i wondered amanda, how would you react to that. That z that sound true or fair. The Biden Administration, the Approval Rating is strong, do they know what theyre up against with the right wing media narratives. It is not just fox. Through the trump years there is a huge glut of right wing trumped focus media in desperate need of content and that is why they latch on to crt or kamala and they push fox further to the right and it is just it is sort of interesting to watch. Now here is most interesting story that i read this week in the Media Business world. Cnbc reports that while lock lan murdoch has been running fox, James Murdoch has been donating money to democratic causes, were talking