Journal broke the story that according to u. S. Intelligence, in november of 2019, three researchers from chinas Wuhan Institute Of Virology were sick enough to warrant hospital care. It went beyond what the State Department had revealed in the final days of the Trump Administration when it said that several researchers came sick with symptoms consistent with covid. November is when many believe the virus began circulating around the city of wuhan. The latest in a series of revelations that have caused many who initially dismissed the Lab Leak Theory to reconsider. Among those is donnell g. Mcneil jr. A former Science Writer for The New York Times who recently published an essay titled how i learned to stop worrying and love the Lab Leak Theory. He credits a former colleague for causing his reflection. That former colleague is Nicholas Wade who, himself, wrote recently for the bulletin of atomic scientists. Wade does not come to a conclusion but says neither the natural Escape Theory nor the natural Emergence Ehypothesis Cn be ruled out. He noted this. Because President Trump said the virus will escaped from a wuhan lab, editors gave the idea Little Creditence and joined the virologists. Quote. Facebook even went so far as to ban posts saying that covid19 was manmade or manufactured and reversed that policy this week. President biden shut down a State Department investigation whether the virus could have leaked from a chinese lab using ineffective resources. On wednesday, biden changed Course Ordering Intelligence officials to reinvestigate the origins of Covid And Report back to him within 90 days. But how many will be ready to listen when we get those results . Sadly, the origin of covid19 has become yet another of those issues where we suit up in our partisan armor before we have all of the facts. Trump said x, ill say y. Trump believed the Escape Theory that im going with an alternative explanation then. The natural progression of this thinking among some is to not want there to be any answer of any kind, because it might conflict with their predetermined views. Case in point, this caller on my sirius Xm Radio program. Caller what difference does it make if the Spanish Flu we find out it didnt start in spain and maybe started in ft. Riley, kansas . What difference does it make . I frankly dont care. What i care how do we prevent it from happening in the future . He may not care but i do. We are talking about virus that has killed 3. 5 million people worldwide of paramount concern is preventing it from happening again. If this resulted from socalled gain of Function Research then whether such experimentation should continue has to be considered. So too the funding. If the chinese Were Negligent and or gauge engaged in coverup the world needs to know and accountability and maybe compensation paid and why we need to know. Now, a time i want to know what youre thinking based on what we know at this stage. Go to smerconish. Com and answer this question. Joining me now, is the Afo Aforementioned Nicholas Wade. First question, is there any history of viruses escaping from even the best Run Labs . Well, yes, there is a long history of very bad viruses such as smallpox escaping from labs with high containment. On average, there has been about one bad escape a year that we know of and probably more that we dont. And coming to recent times, there is the case of the sars 1 virus that caused the sars 1 epidemic in 2002 and that is a real Escape Artist and it has escaped six times already and four times from the beijing institute of virology. Your essay is a very deep dive and includes the fact that dr. Shea, the socalled Bat Lady, set out to create Novel Coronavirus with the cells. Explain this. What she was doing was taking the spiked proteins of some viruses. The sort of knobs that come out of the surface of the virus and determine its target, the target on Human Cells and she was putting them into the genomes of other viruses to see how the effective was after the accident. She was doing this because virologists around the world do that so get a jump on what will happen naturally and they say this will forestall the next epidemic. I made clear at the outset that you dont come to a conclusion. You think the natural Emergence And Lab escape hiypotheses can neither be ruled out. Ill put this on the screen of what you say. Okay, here is the question. So what is lacking then for the scientific community to say this is where it began . Well, what is lacking is direct proof. We have no direct proof of either Lab Escape or natural emergence. All we can do is take the available evidence and say which scenario explains the evidence better . And i believe the Lab Escape does. To get the proof you suggest, what we need to see is the records from the Wuhan Institute Of Virology and know exactly what the Doctor Shea was working on and what experiment she was doing. All of that data has been sealed up by the chinese government. In your essay, you also i hope people will take the time to read it the politics of this interest me. You said that two letters on which many rely, meaning many in the scientific community. Peter dazic and Christian Anderson were political, not scientific, yet they were amazingly effective. Explain. Well, right from the start, those two groups of virologists captured the national mindset and persuaded the Mainstream Media was there nothing to Look at and a case of natural emergence, just move on. Mainstream media, newspapers and television networks, they just bought into that story without doing any serious digging of their own. That is why we have been in this sort of delusion for more than a year. Our media has let us down by failing to investigate a very flimsy story that these two groups of virologists put out and Looking beyond it to the actual facts that were happening in dr. Sheas lab or just a matter of Public Record in the u. S. As i laid out in my article. You heard my opening commentary. Do you agree with my thinking that if Donald Trump were advocating they didnt want to hear it and they were going in the other direction . Yes. It was disastrous when mr. Trump made his statement that is definitely came from the wuhan lab. Im sure his Intelligence Services told him, no, we Cant Rule it out and a different matter. His stadium polarized the issue then and everyone prefers to talk about politics rather than the details [ inaudible ] so we around a tokyo relevant debate what trump said or he didnt say. Final question. Will we ever know . Yes, i hope we will. I hope if enough people in enough countries say that we think present evidence the virus came from a chinese lab, that will, for the first time, put pressure on china to open up and cooperate with the rest of the world in trying to prevent another such pandemic. The alternative would to become the Worlds Pariah and Cooler Heads In Beijing set aside. Its better to cooperate and tell us what they know. Nicholas wade, thank you. Youre welcome. What are you thoughts . Tweet me at smerconish and go to my Facebook Page and ill Read Response throughout the course of the program. Here is one response. Quote. I care alex, i care because in your assessment there is no accountability for the chinese if, in fact, the story is different than they have led us to believe. And you just heard from Nicholas Wade explaining that you heard what he said. So make your own mind. But i believe i heard him say that those records from the Wuhan Institute Of Virology would instruct us on this issue of whether the socalled Bat Lady was doing experimentation that had unforeseen consequences. Meaning there is an answer out there. But they have got to give it to us. I want to know what you think. Go to smerconish. Com this hour and answer this weeks Survey Question. Did the Covid19 Virus originate naturally or by Lab Leak . Up ahead, the New England Patriots infamous spygate videotaping Cheating Scandal happened almost 15 years ago but we are now learning there is apparently more to that story. 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Shanen telling espn His Dad was upset, quote, he told me about the call in the wake of the conversation and his anger about it. My father was upset when such overtures would happen because he felt as if it were tantamount to a Bribe Situation but the suspect on this Case Law says it isnt. He would tell me when these thee things when they occur. We were very close. We reached out to both Trump And Kraft for comment. Their spokes people referred us to their denials in the espn story. In 2020, shane supported President Bidens bid but say the statements are most politically motivated and said he only answered his question definitively after senator specters long time aide implicated trump. Even before that, it was clear that specter was frustrated by the spygate issue. Here is what he told me on my Radio Program in february of 2008, shortly before launching his oneman investigation. Michael, the fine was a Light Slap on the wrist for what is involved here. It was the harshest in nfl history. That doesnt amount to a hel of a lot. What i think was of concern to a lot of people, including me, was belichicks response. When he was asked by the media, he brushed it off as if it wasnt worthy of a reply. There was no contrition. There was no apology. It was dont bother me. Senator Arlen Specter passed in 2012 four years before Donald Trump was elected president. Joining me now, is his Son Shane Ex specter. Full disclosure. He is my friend of more than 30 years. Shanen, did espn get the Story Right . Yes, sir, they did. What exactly did your father tell you . My father called me in 2008 and said he had gotten off the phone with Donald Trump who had passed along an offer from bob kraft, the patriots owner, that if my father laid off his investigation of patriots, that there would be a lot of money for him in Palm Beach. How did your father interpret that offer . He felt that it was close to an offer of a bribe, if not an offer of a bribe, and he did some legal research after that and told me he found that it did not quite fit the Bribe Definition under u. S. Supreme court precedent, but he was very angry about it and disappointed in Donald Trump who was his friend. You supported now President Biden in the campaign. Do politics have anything to do with this revelation coming to light now . No, mike, they dont. Look. If i were interested in trying to get Donald Trump, i would have tried to make us think about this in 2016 when he ran for president or in 2020 when he ran for reelection for president. I got a Phone Call from espn that goes back now 18 months ago or so asking me questions about this part of my fathers book. I answered the questions. And that is all there is to it. You know, ive heard the commentary that maybe i was out to get President Trump but that is just not so. Look. This is who President Trump is. You think about the Phone Call he had with president in 2019. Like the Phone Call with my father. They are both inappropriate Phone Calls with officials mixing this with politics. My father is go to end up being a footnote in history. Well, its a pretty big footnote because i took note of the fact that the morning after the tragedy in San Jose this week, the killing, the slaying of nine individuals, when i Looked online at the Washington Post the Number One story in oip The Post was this report. What accounts for that . I think there is tremendous hatred for President Trump in this country. Anything that reinforces that hatred is going to be read and watched. I think, however, that its not going to change any opinion. I dont think there is anybody in america who had a good opinion of President Trump on tuesday this week and has a bad opinion of him today based upon this story on espn. When the story broke, i received an email from Roger Stone, the subject of which im going to quote literally. He said, quote. This is all bull s hit and what is your response . I dont think Roger Stone was in the Phone Call with my father and Donald Trump in 2008 or in the Phone Call with me and the conversation that occurred at our home with my wife and i with my dad the following weekend so i dont think roger knows about that nor much about evidence for that matter because if you really want to get technical about it, it would be admissible under a variety of hearsay exceptions. How typical was it . Im curious now about The Big Picture as to what, if anything, this says about the climate in washington in the time that your father was there, which was a long time, pennsylvanias longest serving united states senator. How often would offers like this be made to him . I mean, he would mention to me once every, id say, few years, when he felt somebody had crossed the line, mixing in conversations about official business with campaign contributions. It made him very angry. Its the kind of thing that does happen in washington. Occasionally it happens in State Capitals around the country as well. It is wrong. Its not an appropriate conversation. Some people have it in their character to say things like that and most people fortunately do not. Shanin, your father was a lot of things. He was not corruptible. Those of us who knew him and knew him well knew he had a deep sense of integrity. Donald trump knew him fairly well. Does it belie the story in any way that Donald Trump would have even made such an overture to your dad . Because if he knew him he would know that Arlen Specter would have no tolerance for that. I just think that is the way that Donald Trump is. I dont think he cares that much about the listener. He cares more about the speaker. And this is the way he has always operated. Hes gotten himself in trouble for doing stuff like this. He was impeached in 2019 over something just like this in relation to the Phone Call with my father, he was not outed by my father publicly because of their friendship. My father, i think, prized his loyalty to his friend Donald Trump at that time. Of course, that was a different Donald Trump than the one we have come to know from the public issue. He did, of course, put the fact of the Phone Call in his and he was very angry about the call and very angry about the patriot was it a breakpoint in their relationship . No, it was not a breakpoint in their relationship. He continued to have affection for Donald Trump. They had known Each Other since the 1980s. Trump had begun to follow my Fathers Career in the 1960s when he was a student at penn and they had a warm relationship. I think the right word to use is that he was disappointed in his friend Donald Trump but he wasnt going to report him to the fbi. Shanin, thank you for that. Youre welcome, mike. Lets see what youre saying on my smerconish Facebook And Twitter pages. I think this comes from twitter. Jared, i didnt know that was coming. But you heard me offer you what Roger Stone thinks of this whole story. Ill be more delicate this time and say he thinks its all b. S. And Hearsay And Couldnt be proven and, yada, yada, yada. Make up your own mind. Go to my website smerconish. Com and answer this weeks Survey Question. Did the covid19 originate naturally or by Lab Leak. 90 of millennials dont want to go back to the office. We will Look at how different generations view work habits. Later, imagine if you were tasked to take a bullet for the president. 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Zero fail, the Rise And Fall of the Secret Service details the agencys noble, but troubled, history and how its apolitical reputation has sometimes faltered and its written about the the Washington Post carol leonnig. She interviewed dozens of current agents own whistleblower to write the book. You know they took that bullet for president reagan. Is has what they commit and pledge to do . 1,000 percent. Its an amazing thing. Its basically like at the sound of a gunshot, at the sight of trouble, they literally, as Tim Mccarthy did, hurl themselves between the bullet that is incoming and the president that is behind them, which tim Mccarthy Sort of famously did instinctively the minute John Hinckley got off the first shot. Born of blood words you use in the book. Jfks assassination. End of openair limos. The shooting of george wallace. Now the Rope Line is going to function differently. The Ronald Reagan attempted assassination i guess was two changes. Mag magnetometers of a crowd. Its a Shame Something happens and then comes the change. So true. I mean, we say that like american government at large is often so reactive. The Secret Service has been too. You know, what is funny is before he died, i interviewed president Reagans Detail Leader Bob Deprosfero who was kind of famous. He said we wanted to use magnetometers before that shooting at the hilton before reagan was almost killed that day because of a bullet, despite mccarthys efforts, despite his Detail Leader pushing the president into the Back Seat of the limo as soon as he could. A bullet did ricochet against the limos door and went into his lung. But deprospe said we hope to have those but always had resistance from the white house. That is the tension in this world in which the president wanted to get reelected and Look like he is an every man with the people and not being protected from them. The Secret Service is saying, Look, we have to keep you alive and we have to think about all of the potential risks. The Secret Service agents, they know everything, including which president s or Vice President s have had sexual dalliances. What is the Rule Book . What is the code . When do they speak up . When are they supposed to speak up, if at all . You know, there was a Fame Battle over this during the investigation of president Clintons Relationship with monica lewinsky. It doesnt start as that into his relationship with a white House Intern but it went all the way to the Supreme Court because investigators for the independent council wanted to hear and see what the witnesses standing beside the president heard and saw and those were the Secret Service agents. The secret Service Director at the time fought like hell to prevent agents from having to testify. He lost. And they did have to go to the grand jury. Now the ones that went forward basically said that they knew that the president , they didnt put it this way, but they knew the president had lied about saying that he had never been alone with monica lewinsky. The trouble is agents want to protect the president. They want to be close. They dont care about his moral decisions or political embarrassments. What they care about is his security. When a president like president kennedy and clinton and others have tried to get away from the agents to get some privacy or get away from agents to create an image of themselves as all powerful and normal, they have pushed the agents away and agents have to be able to protect what is on the other side of the door. They have to be able to know what woman is going into that room even if the president is having, you know, an Adultress Average with her. Final question. Some believe this to be a harsh portrayal of the Secret Service which was not my take having read all 500 pages. I thought if someone with your investigative chops Looks at an organization of 7,000 people, youre going to be able to write a book like this, regardless of what the organization might be. You know, the most important thing to me im so glad, first of all, and flattered that you and so many other people have read it. It is a long book but it does have a lot of information in it. I was shocked by what i learned and i thought i knew a lot about the Secret Service. The number of one thing that i learned is it is made up of incredibly dedicated public servants that will sacrifice things i couldnt. They will do things that i know that i would crumble before i would be able to deliver on. But their mission is zero fail and they told me a lot of secrets at danger to them, at risk to their careers. Some of them lost their jobs for telling me this. That is how dedicated they were to telling the truth because they want this fixed. They want to be able to deliver on that zero Film Mission and that is how dedicated they are. So i know its hard for the secret Service Leadership to take these lumps, but it really has to accept what these problems are, fix them, instead of trying to cover for them and, you know, appear impenetrable and prep tend everything is all right, because the american people they are in a tenable position they have to be right 24 7 and some bad seed only needs one opportunity. Carol, the book is great. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, michael. Still to come. Senate Minority Leader Mitch Mcconnell had an opportunity to derail Donald Trump for 2024 but he passed. How come . Ill try to explain. This is your last chance to answer the Survey Question at smerconish. Com. Did the Covid19 Virus originate naturally or by a Lab Leak . It g. To shine your brightest. As you charge ahead. Illuminating the way forward. A light maker. 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Social media response. Here is some of what came in. What do we have. Im in the corner of who cares. Really . And i really dont care that you care. A total wasted effort. Move on. Okay. I love how it is such a wasted effort that could you put that back on the screen . I love how it is such a wasted effort, and this is so ridiculous, i think that ill compound it by taking the time to send a tweet and tell him how ridiculous it is. That is ridiculous. What is next . The Reason Mitch Wont derail trumps 2024 run is because it most likely will be a Slam Dunk given the direction things are going. Wow. In other words, trumps election will be a Slam Dunk given the way it is going. Look, this is the story. I mean, republicans stop inquiry on caucuses of Capitol Hill attack, did i read that accurately . You know what im talking about. So the question is, if there is no love lost between Senate Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell who wants to be Senate Majority Leader again, and Donald Trump, then why did mcconnell let a 9 11style Commission do his Dirty Work . In other words, launch the probe and then just sit back and let it run its course. Because nothing good is can out of that investigation for former President Trump. A report comes out, the report says hey, on the afternoon of january 6, Trump Sat back, watched his Flat Screen Televisions as rome was burning. And it would be so devastating that now mcconnell would get his wish which is that trump would be vanquished as the 2024 candidate which is what i really think he wants. The simple answer is to say, yeah, but mcconnell wants to be Senate Majority Leader more than anything else. He doesnt want Bad News coming out at the beginning of the midterm cycle. That is true. 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