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Solution, through arrests of those who did it and Security Adjustments to make sure it never happens, again. Now, before we get into what Senator Mcconnell left out, we should note one republican source tells us he lobbied members to vote against the bill as quote a personal favor unquote to him. Which raises the obvious question, why is killing a bipartisan commission to personal to him . That and what kind of elected official changes their vote on such a consequential item as this as a personal favor to the boss . Now, back to his actual comments, which you might have noticed, missed a very important piece. He said we should arrest those responsible, and make Security Adjustments. Whats missing from that is any mention, as to why the insurrection took place. Which would naturally include the Bigelection Lie and the lawmakers, some of them republican senators, who spread the lie for months before the insurrection. As for his belief that putting more police on The Beat is enough, well, its enough for one of the officers, who was badly hurt in the assault or its not enough for one of the officers badly hurt in the assault or the mother of officer brian sicknick, who died shortly after. They spent the day imploring republican senators to support the bill. Does it anger you, mrs. Sicknick, to hear senators who do not support this . This is why im here today. You know, usually, i stay in the background and i just couldnt. I couldnt stay quiet, anymore. This is why im here, she said, to push for a commission. Which seems clear enough. Though, apparently, not to one of the senators she met with who seems to suggest ms. Sicknick wasnt especially attached to a commission, at all. The commission was a part of the topic. But what they what they said they wanted, to to me, was more of understanding what happened with or without a commission. She also met with Senator Ron Johnson who, as you know, not only opposes a commission but also routinely lies about the nature of the attack, and lies about the election and traffics in russian disinformation about it. At least he comes by his dishonesty honestly. Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia had a wonderful reason for her opposition to a bipartisan commission. The issue has become, and these are her words, too politicized. And isnt that why bipartisan or nonpartisan commissions exist . To move an issue as far beyond politics as possible. Its what the 9 11 commission and the warren commission, after President Kennedy was assassinated, sought to do. And by and large, succeeded. Meantime, listen to her democratic counterpart, joe manchin, on the negotiation that led to the House Bill now before them. Basically, given everything they have asked for and theres no reason not to now unless you just dont want to hear the truth. He supports a commission, and from that, you would think he is all in. In fact, its more like yes, but. Because The One thing he refuses to do is get rid of the Fill Burkt Filibuster on this. In his own words, he says im not ready to destroy our government. Not even, it seems, to investigate the most serious attempt since the Civil War to destroy our government. Joining us now with new reporting as we wait for the vote, cnn special correspondent, jamie gangel. What more do you know about mcconnells lobbying Behind The Scenes . We are told by two republican sources, anderson, that in the last24 hours, Mitch Mcconnell was so worried that some republican senators might be wavering, that he pulled out all the stops. And according to one republican source, asked them to vote against the commission, as you mentioned, as, quote, a personal favor. Im told, the senators were really caught by surprise at his insistence, at his pressure at using those words. One republican source said, to me, quote, No One can understand why mitch is going to this extreme of asking for a personal favor to kill the commission. How can you have an attack on the capitol, and the republican leader is saying vote against it . And the source went on to say, it is despicable. I just want to add one, other thing, anderson, too. We saw that footage of Senator Scott saying that mrs. Sicknick did not care about the commission. I am told, by a source who was in the meetings that, that is absolutely not true. That, every meeting they wept into, they asked for a commission. That was their numberone priority. Anderson. I mean, its really it was interesting, that Senator Scott said that because obviously, the late officer brian Sicknicks Mom came to the hill, specifically, at this time, to lobby for this commission. Right. Absolutely. And and as you mentioned, they also met with Senator Ron Johnson. Im told, most of the meetings were cordial. In everysingle meeting, they said, please, vote for a commission. But as you pointed out, Ron Johnson has a different understanding about the insurrection. Hes played it down. He called it a largelypeaceful protest. And im told that there was some pushback, as soon as they walked into his office. Especially, from officer mike fanone, who i am told, quote, let him have it. Keep in mind, fanone is a republican, as was brian sicknick. Im, also, told that the meetings were hard on mrs. Sicknick. As you saw there, shes a quiet person. S she likes to stay in the background. She did not want to come to washington but she waited till today because she really thought that they were going to do the right thing. And at one point, when she asked them to have a commission, and it was clear the republican senators were not going to vote for it. Mrs. Sicknick said quote, how can they not be doing the right thing . My son and all these officers deserve it. Its the right thing to do for them. Its the right thing to do for the country. And i mean, it would seem or how much do you think the the calculus of republican senators on this vote is about the former president . And his hold on mcconnell and every aspect of The Party and the 22 you know, their own futures . 100 . This is all about dont upset Donald Trump. Look. Anderson, we know congress does commissions. This is not a hard one. We, all, saw January 6th happen. Mitch mcconnell, just like kevin mccarthy, sees the commission as a political loser for republicans. Who, now, rely on the Trump Base to win elections. This is all about political power. Regaining the senate and the house. And for that, they feel they need to embrace Donald Trump, even though there are some days, not anymore, when they blamed trump and held him responsible for January 6th. Yeah. Those days fleeted by very quickly. Jamie gangel, thank you. We will come back to jamie for late developments on the hill. Joining us now, senator tina smith, democrat of minnesota. Senator smith, thanks for being with us. What does it say that the majority of your republican colleagues are planning to vote against this . Well, you know, ive been thinking about this this story that Mitch Mcconnell is calling this calling on his colleagues to do this as a personal favor. And, you know, on the senate floor, senators ask one another for favors, all the time. You know, could you could you let me go first in my questioning . Could you pick me up lunch . Could you help me on this special project thats important in my state . But on this issue, to call for a personal favor on this issue, from the leader that has so much power over you and your career. I mean, i dont think that that sounds to senators like something that they can say no to. And it feels like a threat, to me. And i think its despicable to think that thats where weve come, when it is, so clearly, the case that this commission is the right thing to do. Its the right thing to do to get to the bottom of what happened. So its think i think its a sad day. That sounds like a threat to you from Mitch Mcconnell to his fellowrepublican senators. Stay in line . Yeah. Yeah. Stay in line. This is important to me. This is a personal thing for me. I need you to do this. Its not like a normal thing that you would have on an issue of this magnitude. And, you know, i keep thinking about how we, all, ran, together, from the senate floor. And there was a moment of Actualhuman Interaction between us. We were fearful. We were calling our family. And we gathered together to say that we were going to work on this, together. And to see the aboutface thats, im fearful, is going to be on Display Tonight because of Peoples Fear of Donald Trump. Putting politics first is just just a terrible day. So, when you hear what Mitch Mcconnell is saying publicly, which is, we know what happened. We were witnesses. We dont need a commission. You know, well make some adjustments on Law Enforcement numbers of Police Officers. What do you say to that . Well, what i say is that this would be a bipartisan commission. We have accepted, as far as i understand it, everything the republicans said that they wanted for a bipartisan commission. And to not to do this, in this moment, to say that we have all the answers, i just think, is not true. Thats why we had a 9 11 commission. Its why we had the warren commission. Its why we should come together, in a bipartisan way, to understand exactly what happened. To make sure that it wont ever happen, again. And, you know, Mitch Mcconnell is saying that we should hold those accountable who caused this. Yet, he is The One who said, immediately after the insurrection, that the president was directly responsible. He said it was a despicable dereliction of duty. So the inconsistency here is just jawdropping. His focus is, okay, well, people have been arrested. Justice should run its course on them. And we should work on, you know, Policing Failures or or what the needs of the Police Officers are that would help them prevent this in the future. Meaning, you know, more riot gear, whatever it may be. It doesnt get at, well, what actually caused this . Like, who is responsible for that . And how do we make sure something like this does not happen, again . Well, yes. I mean, that is exactly right. And to to basically say that we dont need to know the truth here is what were what i hear, when i hear them when i hear them say this. I think that it just is its nonsensical. And, you know, the reality of this is that we dont know, exactly, what happened. Thats why we need a 9 11 commission and we need to get to the bottom of it. And, of course, the context here is a republican party filled with people that are trying to rewrite history, even as we speak. To say that this was nothing but a Tourist Visit to the capitol that got out of hand. The Big Lie that the election was stolen. So, thats the big the bigger context for we have to understand as we see this rejection of a bipartisan commission. So, what happens when this gets voted down . Assuming, it does, as it looks like it will because of the republicans. Do you think that a Houseselect Committee Investigation should be launched . Well, its so ironic because what we want is a bipartisan commission. The house can do a select commission and that may well be the Path Speaker Pelosi decides to take. But i dont think that it will fulfill the same role that this January6th Commission would. And we will, all, have seen that the republicans had a choice. They could choose to stand with the capitol police, the 140 of them that were assaulted. Stand with our democracy. Or stand with Donald Trump and theyll be choosing Donald Trump. Senator tina smith, appreciate your time thank you. Thank you chg. Next as we wait for the vote, we will tell you about a new debate shaping up over what kind of party the republican party should be. We are joined by former republican senator, jeff flake. Later, new details emerging in the San Jose Mass Shooting thats now claimed nine lives, plus that of the gunman. sound of a busy office phones ringing, people talking, meeting the Company Weve trusted to keep us working remotely, is the same company well trust to bring us back together. Safely. Securely. And responsibly. So now, between all apart and all together, theres a bridge. Cisco. The bridge to possible. To make progress, we must keep taking steps forward. We believe the future of energy is lower carbon. And to get there, the world needs to reduce global emissions. At chevron, were taking action. 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In dalton, georgia, tonight, the serial Antisemite Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene and congressman matt gaetz, who is embroiled in controversy of his own, are holding another of their Skauld America first rallies. And in california, former House Speaker Paul ryan, who is expected to speak out tonight against precisely their type of politics, as well as the former president. Though, without naming him apparently. Here to talk about it is cn political director, david chalian. And cnn political commentator, jeff flake, former republican senator from arizona. David, if republicans depend on the Quote Populist Appeal of one Personality Or Secondgrade imitations, Paul Ryan sits on the board of fox. Parent company of Fox News where, certainly, pastboard members have made a lot of money, every year. Does he have the Moralhigh Ground here . Yeah, you know, one of the other things he is expected to talk about is the the socalled outrage peddlers. Urging his party not to take a swing at every, little Culture War that comes along. I do think its a fair question to ask, anderson. Is he taking that same message inside the Foxboard Room . Obviously, in terms of outrage peddling, theyve cornered the market, in many ways. But even if he is not sort of the perfect messenger on this, we shouldnt lose sight of the overall message. Which is that he sees where his party is going all in on trumpism right now, for the most part. He is trying to steer it another way. He represents a Farsmaller Slice of the republican party right now. Its, like, him and Liz Cheney and adam kinzinger, mitt romney, and a few others. Thats not where The Party is but hes clearly trying to coax The Party, back, on course, in some way. Yeah. I mean, Senator Flake, is this even really a battle thats occurring in in the republican party . Because i mean, you know, as david was saying, the group is pretty small there who are making these arguments that Paul Ryan is making. You know, i know theres certainly there are a lot of voters who may be feeling that. But is this really happening, as a Big Battle In The Republican Party . It seems like theyve made their choice. Well, right now, republicans are clearly with the former president. And thats to The Partys detriment, certainly. You know, you can win an election, here and there. But overall, the trends are not good. You know, since President Trump was elected in 2016, weve lost the White House, weve lost the house, we lost the senate. Here in arizona, two democrats represent the senate for the first time in 70 years and we are likely to have more of the same. So, yeah, that subset of a subset of republican voters that vote in every primary. They are, clearly, with the former president. And thats reflected in the polling. But if we want to win, you know, statewide elections and national elections, then Paul Ryan is exactly right. We have got to change. Senator, when you left office in 2017, you warned your republican colleagues about, what you called, the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms. As you look at whos welcome within the republican Party Today and the ideas that are embraced, has it only gotten worse . It has. And that thats a tragic legacy of the trump years. The normalization of aberrant behavior. The biggest one being the Big Lie now, that the former president didnt lose the last election so, yeah, its i mean, i i i thought i i was justified in giving that warning there. I didnt know the half of it, as it turns out, given what happened after he lost the last election. So, yeah, that our partys in a bad way right now. David, i want to read to that point, i want to read a Poll Question from quinnipiac and its worth reading it in full. Its, which comes closer to your Point Of View . The storming of the u. S. Capitol on January 6th was an attack on democracy that should never be forgotten . Or too much is being made of the storming of the u. S. Capitol on January 6th and its time to move on . 84 of democrats said it was an attack on democracy. 74 of republicans said, time to move on. I mean, if you are Mitch Mcconnell, david, isnt it as simple as a commission examining insurrection would hurt republicans, perhaps, at the Ballot Box next year . So, it shouldnt happen . Yeah. I mean, we dont even have to sort of try and ascertain why Mitch Mcconnells doing this. His folks have said this out loud, right . I mean, john thune, the number two in the senate has said we think having a commission will take us off message for the midterm elections. And not allow us to sort of focus on the biden agenda. John cornyn, the formernumber two, talked about politics here and the campaign season. And that hes not in the business of helping democrats. And he is under the impression that the Commission Being Set Up will help democrats. But heres the thing about those Poll Numbers that you just read. 74 of republicans, threequarters of republicans, have a position that is only supported by 39 of americans, overall. When you look at the overall population in that poll, only 39 say its time to move on. 55 say this is something that cant be forgotten. So, when threequarters of your party is taking a position that, really, only fourinten americans agree with overall, thats what Senator Flake talks sort of the damage that this kind of commitment to trumpism is doing overall to the republican party. Senator flake, what does it tell you that Senator Mcconnell reportedly felt the need to call members of his conference and ask them for a personal favor to vote against the commission . I mean, how you know, as somebody who knows how these things work. Is that highly unusual . That is unusual. Mitch mcconnell doesnt do that often. So, i i dont know how accurate that reporting is but it seems to be confirmed. So, that is highly unusual. I think, one, the republican party may believe or elected officials may believe that this will get them some, shortterm benefit. But overall, i think its certainly detrimental to the country. And i think, ultimately, detrimental to republicans. I should mention, when people talk about moving on. Its interesting, you know, Liz Cheney, for example, said lets move on. Donald trump lost the election. And lets lets move on. And, you know, craft a better argument for the next elections. But other republicans dont want to move on. Here in arizona, were going through this this socalled recount of the votes because too many republicans dont want to move on. So, its a little Cognitive Dissonance there. Yeah, Senator Flake, appreciate your time. David chalian, as well. 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Nine victims, their family, the people who loved them in our thoughts tonight. As we said, there are a lot of new developments in the case. Dan simon has that. Reporter tonight, chilling, new details emerging about the gunman who opened fire. Killing nine of his coworkers at this Vta Rail Yard wednesday. The shooter was detained by customs and Border Protection in 2016 after a trip to the philippines, according to a Department Of Homeland Security official. As the wall street journal, first, reported, while the suspect was being held, agents found books about Terrorism And Fear and manifestos. As well as, a black Memo Book filled with lots of notes about how he hates the vta. When asked if he had problems with anybody at work, he stated no, according to a Dhs Memo obtained by the paper. A history of anger issues is now becoming more clear. In documents from a 2009 legal filing, the Gunmans Exgirlfriend said he exhibited majormood swings, a result of bipolar disorder. A survivor of wednesdays Mass Shooting says the gunman had a specific agenda. He walked by the people. He let other people live, as he gunned down other people. Of the people who were injured, none survived. Reporter cnn has now learned the shooter had at least three semiautomatic Hand Guns with him and fired at least 39 times. The sheriff said he also has potential bombmaking materials, such as Detonation Cords in his work locker. Some of our dogs alerted on what was his locker. Inside, were Precursor Things for explosives. Reporter just eight miles away, the Suspects Home is also now being scoured for evidence. New video from a Neighbors Home Camera shows a man in uniform leaving the house with a bag, around 5 40 a. M. , wednesday. Less than an hour later, around 6 30 a. M. , the shooting began at the rail yard. And firefighters arrived to the home, billowing smoke. Its my opinion that he had some kind of a device in his house to go off, simultaneously, perhaps. But we dont know that, for sure. Reporter officials say several rounds of ammunition were found inside the home but nothing, yet, to determine a motive for the killings. And Dan Simon joins us now from San Jose. So, i understand the Sheriffs Office released some more details late today. Thats right, anderson. We know that, in addition to the three Semiautomatic Handguns the shooter had. He was, also, equipped with 32 highcapacity magazines. Authorities also acknowledging that he was, in fact, disgruntled at work and in their words, that may have contributed to the shooting. In the meantime, anderson, we are at San Jose City Hall where we are expected to see a vigil in the next hour or so. A lot of people expected to come and pay their respects to the victims. Anderson. Dan simon, appreciate it. Thank you. As he just reported, there are major Questions Tonight over the shooters background, his interaction with Government Officials back in 2016. Joining Me Cnn senior Law Enforcement analyst, charles ramsey. And asha rangappa. Asha, are you surprised the shooter somehow slipped through the cracks after it became known to dhs officials . I i am but im, also, not. You know, the fact that he got stopped. He, obviously, raised Red Flags. They went through it. They wrote it up. So, you know, there was something significant there. On the other hand, i i would want to know exactly what happened after that. Was it sent to localLaw Enforcement in San Jose . If it was, did they act on it . Did they notify the employer . It kind of gets to, anderson, the difference in how we treat, you know, threats that are coming, you know, at the international level, versus domestically. I can tell you that, if this person had been a foreign national that had been stopped by dhs, The Process would have triggered, you know, a number of different informationsharing. He probably would have been questioned by the fbi, for example. So i think we need to see what the Paper Trail was with this. Chief ramsey, would it be unusual for different Law Enforcement agencies not to share information on a person who this information had been found out . Again, the reporting doesnt definitively say information about the Shooter Wasnt shared with local officials but how good sharing of information now . Well, normally, information sharings pretty good. But that doesnt mean that theres times when things just dont go beyond the agency that originally uncovered it. This may be an example of that. I dont know whether or not that information was shared with the sheriff or whether or not it was shared with vta. Again, you know, well find out more, as this thing begins to progress. But we are going to learn more and more about this guy. And clearly, he is an individual that never shouldve been able to be in possession of a firearm of any kind. And asha, obviously, you know, many states like california have expanded the socalled redflag laws to help get guns out of the hands of known threats like this. Is there more do you think that could be done on that front . Or do we do we i mean, do we know enough at this point . Well, anderson, redflag laws are really only as effective as, you know, people being willing to use them. Californias is actually more robust than most. 2020, it expanded its redflag laws to allow not just Law Enforcement or Family Members which is often the case. But also, employers and coworkers and teachers to, you know, if they saw a red flag, to petition a court to temporarily, you know, remove firearms from the persons home. But again, they need to see the Red Flags and they need to act on it. And unfortunately, when we are dealing with these people who are, you know, acting alone. It really has to be a, when you see something, say something, situation. Because Law Enforcement, i think, is heavily reliant on learning about these Red Flags from the people who are surrounding these troubled individuals. Chief ramsey, from a Law Enforcement background, how do you view these redflag laws . Well, listen. Anything will help. Theres no question about that. But again, the information that we obtained today from the wall street journal. About the customs. I mean, thats five years old. Even if they had taken action, they would not have been able to maybe to permanently remove the firearms, more than likely. The other thing is californias got good laws in place. At least decent laws. Better than most. But you can circumvent it. All you got to do is go to a Neighboring State and purchase a firearm. So, i mean, until theres some national legislation in in place, you know, were going to be playing this, you know, scenario over and over and over, again. I mean, weve got so many guns out there now. That even with strong laws, people still can get their hands on guns illegally. But that doesnt mean that Something Shouldnt be done. Something needs to be done. But on the current congress, theres nothing going to happen as a result of this. Yeah. Charles ramsey, asha rangappa, appreciate it. Thank you. Up next. New reporting on what may have persuaded President Biden to order that urgent reexamination of how the Covid Pandemic began. What i serve my family really matters. So do i want to give them ordinary eggs. Or the best . Theres one egg that gives them more of the freshfromthefarm flavor they love. Only egglands best. One egg with more Vitamins D and e and 25 less saturated fat. Only egglands best. One egg that makes choosing the best easy. Only egglands best. Better taste, better nutrition, better eggs. vo jamaica. woman best decision ever. vo feel the sand between your toes, and the gentle waves of the sea on your skin. 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Josh, what do you make of The Times reporting that the White House still has a lot of unexamined evidence that requires Computer Analysis . Well, i guess, my first reaction, anderson, is why didnt they look at that evidence . Its been 18 months. If they were sitting on it, what was the holdup . You know, from my own reporting, i can tell you there is not only a bunch of unreviewed evidence sitting inside the intelligence community. There is also unreviewed evidence sitting in other agencies in the u. S. Government, including defense department, dhs, nih, and other organizations that have worked with organizations that worked with these wuhan labs. And its kind of crazy to think that, 18 months after the outbreak, that there is still piles of evidence they havent looked at and i think thats one of the reasons but not the only reason that the biden administration is doubling down on this investigation. The other reason is because there is increasing pressure, and because from the from the public. And also, because the chinese government told the World Health Organization theyre not going to cooperate, anymore. So for all of these reasons, its become obvious that we need to look into all of these theories including the Lableak Theory and hopefully thats what they are going to do now. Sanjay, The New York Times reporting goes on to say that suggesting that the government may not have exhausted its databases about among other things, the movement of Lab Workers in china. I mean, without the cooperation of the chinese, Finding Out what happened in a scientific lab is difficult. Yeah. I mean, it does come down to that. You know, ultimately, if theres if theres not transparency. If theres not access, then all the things that josh has been talking about for some time. Lot of people have said would be needed. It would be hard to gain access to. There is a few things that wouldnt, you know, be definitive or absolutely conclusive but would be really helpful. We have talked about a bit about this. But if you look at those Lab Workers that had been sick enough to actually go to the hospital. Their blood samples, their serum samples. Do they exist . Weve been told different things. Weve been told that maybe they destroyed. But being able to look at those blood samples. Being able to look at the Genetic Analysis of the coronaviruses in the Institute Of Virology, and compare them to some of the initial infections. That might be more evidence. And finally, just a, you know, a deep look at the forensic sort of forensic evaluation of that lab would be helpful, as well. One thing i think josh has pointed out. Jamie metzl has pointed out. Having protection for whistleblowers to be able to come forward could, also, be a way to at least collect more evidence in terms of what happened here. Josh, you were saying that there is also unexamined information in a lot of different Government Agencies in in the u. S. I mean, what sort of information would usaid have . Or some of these other other agencies . Yeah, thats a great question because even if the w. H. O. Or the chinese government doesnt give us any help or access. There is a lot of investigative threads that are still left unopened and unaddressed here in the united states. Just take usaid for one example. They had this 200 Million predict program. The head of the predict program in china was the wuhan Institute Of Virology. Right . They have got a ton of records. They might know some stuff about what the wuhan Institute Of Virology was up to. Theyve never really been asked. You know, Sanjay Gupta broke huge news months ago that robert redfield, the former head of the cdc, who has seen all the intelligence, believes it came from a lab based on his expert opinion. But the biden people never talked to him. Hes never you know, why dont you have a hearing . Lets put this guy in front of a bible and a congressional committee. See what he has to say. Theres its just crazy to me that there is all of these people and institutions with all of this information. That have never been asked because we went through this sort of politicization of the Origin Question that we are now trying to unravel. Were trying to take the politics out of it and focus on not just the science but the forensics, as sanjay has said, its really important. So, yeah, there is a lot of things. This intelligence is just one piece of it. Dont get too caught up on that. There is a whole world of information that the biden administration will hopefully, now, get to the bottom of. Whether the chinese government likes it or not. Sanjay, the two prevailing theories on the origins of the virus, that It Spread from animals to humans. And that, The One currently gaining traction which is that It Spread from a lab in wuhan. What would the u. S. Actually need to do to be able to prove it, one way or the other . Well, you know, i think it comes back to these same things and it may be hard to to definitively prove this one way or the other. Ultimately, it may be a preponderance of Evidence Sort of thing and it can be challenging. You know, i 90 days is is is a fair amount of time. But, you know, if you go back and look at sars and say how long did that take . It was a couple years before even the intermediary host, you will remember, was really identified. And 15 or so years after that, before the Horseshoe Bat was identified as the you know, the origin of the species. So, it can take some time to do this. But going back to those Lab Workers. Were they infected . Do they have antibodies . We know antibodies can sort of be a trace, a remnant of having been infected. What about, you know, people in the areas where they believe these bats originated . I know that Eco Alliance is now going saying they want to test antibodies of people in that area to see, was there spillover events happening, at that point . Again, this is as josh has been beating the drum on this, this is stuff that should have been done if if they were serious about actually being able to to trace the origins of this 18 months in. Some of this hasnt been identified yet. Sanjay, josh mentioned your conversation with dr. Redfield. You have spoken to several former officials who support the Lableak Theory. Or at the very least, have skepticism on the outbreak timeline. Yeah. I mean, it was interesting, talking to all those folks. None of them said, absolutely not. The Lableak Theory is complete rubbish, stay away from it. They all, you know, sort of were careful. What i thought was interesting. I talked to robert cadlic, he was known as the Assistant Secretary for preparedness response. And it was not so much a what people knew in china. But more, of a when did they know it . That he was really driving at. And he was really looking, from an intelligence standpoint, at the actions of what was happening in china. Going back earlier than when the world was alerted about the virus. Listen listen to what he said. They recognized that something was going on in early december. So, they had about a 30day Head start to when they publicly announced on 31 December that they had this mysterious pneumonia. And so, they were already buying things on the market well in advance of when we were. So we make a lot of the material but even things that were made here in the united states, we found that the domestic supplies were drying up because of foreign purchases. So i mean, i hope you can capture what what the meaning of that is. But basically, you know, they were buying up lots of Ppe And Intelligence services here, in the united states, were basically saying, well, thats odd. You know, whats going on there . Were not quite sure what to make of it. But it was at least a month earlier than when the rest of the world was notified about this, you know, this mysterious cluster of pneumonia patients. Josh, that is just from an intelligence standpoint, stunning that they are Buying Ppe and u. S. Intelligence is aware of it. And, you know, but not sure what to make of it. Right. The chinese government covered up and concealed and continues to conceal, to this day, crucial information that is costing american lives and lives all over the world. So, we might have to upset u. S. China relations a little to get to the bottom and uncover the truth about 590,000 americans, who died and billions who continue to suffer. And thats going to be difficult but we cant not do it because we have to learn what happened so we can prevent the next pandemic. And 90 days is not going to do it. 90 days is just the beginning. It takes as long as it takes. Yeah. Josh rogan, appreciate it. Sanjay, as well. Thank you. 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Our razors have five german engineered blades designed to stay sharp, so your eighth shave is as smooth as your first. And we never upcharge you for high quality. Harrys. Available in store and at harrys. Com. Family and supporters of Ronald Greene, the black man seen on Police Body Cam video being tased, kicked and dragged by Louisiana State troopers two years ago held a rally this afternoon at the State Capitol in baton rouge. Earlier today they met with louisianas governor, and the local district attorney. Mr. Greene died in may in 2019 after a police chair, and his death has been under investigation ever since, according to police. The family say they were told he died in a Car Accident but their attorney says the newly released Police Body Cam and dash Cam Video shows it was murder. Cnns Ryan Young joins us with more of todays events in baton rouge. You attended the march earlier, how did it go . Anderson, look, there was a lot of emotion there. Lets not forget, before this video was released, it was also leaked, and thats the reason were having this conversation, and that really started to expose what happened on that night. You were marching with Family Members, and talking with them, they said what would you do if you saw your Loved One being beat, tased and dragged across the ground, you wouldnt stop fighting. That is the call to action. That the Family Members have at this point. They say they want to make sure that justice is served right now. They think two years is too long to wait for any sort of action. What came from the familys meetings with state and local officials . Yeah, you know, anderson, weve been having this conversation back and forth just in terms of what would happen next, especially with the federal investigation going on, especially with the state investigation. As reporters, we have not been able to ask State Officials exactly whats going on in this investigation, because they keep saying it is still ongoing. The family is hitting roadblock after roadblock. They were not satisfied with what they heard from State Officials. Listen to Lee Merit say what they are hoping for and what they hope to see in the coming days. Its not unclear why the family traveled to louisiana today. They have come to see men who murdered Ronald Greene in handcuffs. Thats the only reason were here. The big question here also is, anderson, the officers who were involved in this, some of them are still serving, and there are other people who say who in this community who believe theyve been brutalized as well. They want to see action moving forward. You can see the State Sort of having that conversation privately with this family but not only do they want a settlement when it comes to like some monetary issues. They have been fighting for two years. They want to see charges for these officers and especially, this is a tangled web right now because they believe this is a Cover Up thats lasted some two years. Yeah, they have been saying the investigation has been open for two years. Its hard to believe much is being done over those last two years given what we have seen. Ryan young, appreciate it. Coming up, what a source is telling cnn about the possible trouble of the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa Race Massacre. Thats when we continue. We believe the future of energy is lower carbon. And to get there, the world needs to reduce global emissions. At chevron, were taking action. Tying our executives pay to lowering the carbon Emissions Intensity of our operations. Its tempting to see how far weve come. But its only human. To know how far we have to go. To unlock the worlds greatest potential. Tomorrows potential. We have to look. We need to look beyond what we recognize. Beyond whats familiar. 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President biden is scheduled to visit tulsa next week to take part in an anniversary ceremony. Thats it for us, the news continues. Want to hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. Coop, hope you have a good weekend. Thank you very much. Were awaiting a big Vote Tonight in the senate. Could happen on our watch. The Trump Party is expected to block legislation to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the insurrection, and why . Well, this is the offered explanation. I do not believe the additional extraneous commission that democratic leaders want would uncover crucial new facts or promote healing. How does he know already that there would be no new facts . Its an odd thing to say, isnt it, its also odd that mr. Mcconnell asked his colleagues a personal favor to oppose this commission, thats according to one of the republicans he pressured. Why would this be so important for him. After all, this is the man who said trump was responsible for January 6th. Remember . Doesnt he want that assertion of his to have findings behind it . 35 republicans in the house thought the Terrorist Attack of January 6th, all the groups that coordinated weeks out to come to that bloody result, hunting them as they secured the democratic process. They thought it was worth investigating earlier this month. Suffering su

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