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The author joins me live. Welcome to the lead. Im jake tapper, and we start with tragic and common Breaking News in our national lead. Right now there are multiple active scenes after a Mass Shooting in San Jose, california. We expect to get an update from police and local leaders in just minutes. Here is what we know so far. The Sheriffs Department there says that eight people were killed and several others injured at the vta or the Valley Transportation Authority Light Rail yard, thats a hub that stores trains and is also used for maintenance of those trains. Sources have identified the shooter as Sam Kass did i. Sam kass did i was a vta employee. Deputies say hes dead, but they are not sure if he took his own life or if he was killed by Law Enforcement. The Bomb Squad is on scene right now and searching the Vta Facility after police received reports that explosive devices may have been or may be located inside. San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo confirms that there was also a fire at the shooters home this morning. Fortunately no one was found inside. Mayor liccardo will join us live in the next hour to tell us the latest. Lets start, however, with cnns Dan Simon who is on the scene in San Jose, and, dan, youre also speaking to Family Members. This is the saddest part about all these shootings who are now looking for their Loved Ones to see if they are okay. Reporter well, jake, firsT Of all, we are expecting a Press Conference that will take place in fronT Of the Family Reunification Center that was set up in the hours after this shooting. We saw dozens of employees come into this center. They were reunited with Family Members. I spoke to one gentleman who said he got a frantic call from his wife. She said that she was okay nonetheless. He was really anxious, of course, to meet up with her had. I spoke to an employee of the site who said he was just so nervous about his coworkers. The shooter apparently known to the people he shot. You have multiple victims, and we have multiple casualties at this point. Reporter another Mass Shooting. We formed multiple tactical teams that came into the building to extry Kit Victims out and we initiated a rescue task force. Thats parT Of our active shooter protocol. Reporter this time at a Light Rail Maintenance yard in San Jose, california, where trains are stored and dispatched for the transportation valley authority. As of now, investigators say at least eight people were killed. The shooter also dead. I will confirm that it is a vta employee. Reporter details in the investigation still very fluid. We received information that there are explosive devices that are located inside the building. That being said we activated our Bomb Squad which is currently ouT On scene. Reporter Vtas Board Chairman glenn hendricks. Vta is a family. People in the organization know everyone. This is a terrible tragedy, and we will do everything that we can to help people get through this. Reporter Family Members showing up to find their Loved Ones. Ive just trying to get to my wife. The mayor of the city of San Jose. Reporter the mayor of San Jose joining Law Enforcement to express his sympathies. This is a horrific day for our city, and its a tragic day for the vta family, and our Heart Pains for the families and the coworkers. Reporter multiple agencies including the fbi assisting in the ongoing investigation. The Fbis Role in this investigation is to provide aft tans to the Santa Clara Sheriffs Office, to provide evidence, response resources. It is a fairly sizable crime scene, and its going to take a while to process. All right. Were talking about multiple places and scenes including the shooters own home that was seT On fire this morning. Of course, that raise more additional questions. This is a Shooter Intent on inflicting a loT Of carnage in addition to the firearm or firearms that he had in his possession and also explosives found at the scene. Jake . Dan simon, San Jose. Thank you so much. Lets bring in Anthony Barksdale who served as acting Police Commissioner in baltimore and Dmitry Roberts who served as a chicago Police Officer. Commissioner, let me start with you. We know eight people were killed. The suspect is also dead. At this point what information would you be looking for if you were leading this investigation . Well, first, i would want to know more about the suspect. I want to know was he supposed to have a weapon . How did he on tape a weapon, legally or illegally . And motive. Motive, motive, motive. What made him walk in there and do this, but it sounds like he was intenT On taking lives, and its just its just a tragedy all The Way around, jake. Dmitry, we still dont know how many were injured. We know eight innocent people were killed but injuries we dont know. Is that unusual at this point for that number to to not be reported . Well, it is unusual, jake, but nothing about this situation is usual. NoT Only the fact that we have what sounds like an upstanding employee going and causing this tragedy, but also the subsequent things that we see playing out. Bombs on the scene, his life being taken. We dont really know why at this point, but then also this mysterious fire at his house. Theres a loT Of complexities here, jake, but the number of theme are being reported injured is definitely something that should raise red flags for All Of Us, because we usually know that information firsthand. Obviously the folks on the ground are doing a great job investigating this, and my hats off to those Law Enforcement officers but more so to the families that are deal with this tragedy on this unfortunate day. Commission, we learned that the suspect was a man by the name of Sam Kass did i. He was an employee of the Valley Transportation Authority. What would you be looking for when trying to determine his motive . Im looking for any statements, any conflicts within within the workplace. It sounds like based on what im hearing that he went after specific people. I would want to know what contact was he recently disciplined . Was there a fighT On the job in what kicked this off, and thats what i would really want to know. I would want to look at the victimology of the i would want to look at the victimology and just try to sort iT Out because now we cant interrogate him. Hes gone. So we need to know as much as we can from a workplace. We need to know what witnesses say, people who knew him. Did he say anything that sounded awful strange . We need all that, and its going to take a loT Of work to source this out. And dmitry, as you noted, the San Jose Mayor reported that there was a fire at the suspects home. Im just looking at the latest information on this. The San Jose Fire Department responded to a fire at the home at 6 36 a. M. Local time and the first 911 calls began right around that time as well, 6 34 a. M. Pacific time. Obviously we dont know what the story is, but as an investigator what would you be looking for . Well, we want to ensure, jake, especially in a fluid situation like this, that there are No Other threats, that there arent potential Copy Cats or that this was a lone wolf, so to add to the commissioners point, there are a loT Of complexities here, but the main thing were looking for is to continue to ensure that broadbased support to the communities from where this is taking place but also to ensure that there arent any ongoing threats to other facilities or other employees, especially when were looking at something thaT Obviously was targeted. Former commissioner Anthony Barksdale and Dmitry Roberts. Thanks to both of you. Really appreciate it. From both ends of penalty Pens Avenue theres a new push to find out if covid started in a lab in chip, but did the biden administration already shut down a similar investigation that had been started under President Trump, and speaking of trump, a look at what kind of charges the former president might be facing as the Washington Post says a Grand Jury has been convened. Stay with us. Here we go. [john legends i can see clearly now] make your reunion happen with vrbo. Your together awaits. Vrbo. If you have moderate to severe psoriasis, little things can become your big moment. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats Plaque Psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. Otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. 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Intelligence agencies to Tin Tensify their investigations of the origins of covid19. This as questions grow about the theory that the virus began in the lab in wuhan, chip. Youll recall former President Trump pushed this theory for months. So did others in his administration. I am of the poinT Of view that i still think the most likely etiology of this pathogen in wuhan was from a laboratory. Have you seen anything that gives you high confidence that iT Originated in that Wuhan Lab . Theres enormous evidence that thats where this began. Sources now tell cnn that the biden administration should down an investigation that had been launched by allies of then Secretary Of State Mike Pompeo at the State Department in the final months. Trump administration into whether covid19 started in that Wuhan Lab. The fear, were told by the Biden Team, is that that investigation had been politically motivated. Just two months ago top medical experts were leaning towards a more natural source of the virus that initially spread. Today even dr. Anthony fauci who investigates infectious diseases for a living says no one knows 100 where it came from. Lets bring in cnns nick watt. Nick, President Biden is giving the Intelligence Community a deadline to come back with its own analysis. Reporter thats right, jake. President biden apparently has some specific questions for the chinese, and he wants the intel folks to double down, and he wants them to report back in 90 days, hopefully with an answer on the origins of this virus. Did it come from an animal and then spread through that wuhan wet market, or did it leak from the Wuhan Institute of virology . It is certainly possible thaT Other options might have occurred, including a possible Lab Leak. We just dont have evidence to be able to say what that likelihood is. So all seven leaders of the national institute of Health Today told the senate we need a deeper investigation. At what point in time would it become more likely it came from the lab if we dont find an intermediate animal hoefrkts how much longer . I dont think we can give a time limiT On that. Worldwide 3. 5 million are dead. We need a completely transparent proses from china and need the w. H. O. To assist in the that matter and dont feel like that we have that knew. Reporter half of americans are fully vaccinated against covid19 and for the trickier second half. Tonight in ohio well see the first 1 Million winner of a lottery just for those who got a shot. Whats basically bribery is working. After we announced it, those numbers have gone up, 45 increase in the number getting vaccinated. 45,000 new cases across the country, lowest total in about 11 months. If youre vaccinated, you are proadvocated and you can enjoy your memorial day. If you are not vaccinated you remain at risk of infix. Reporter two months until the Tokyo Olympics In Japan is in a fourth wave. Experts say urgent action required. For many of the participants, the vaccines are not available, and theres virtually been no planning for how are we going to move people in buses or putting three people to a Hotel Room in the approach they are taking right now is virtually a dangerous one. Reporter now, why is it so important that we get this question answers how did this virus originate . Well, because It Will help us fight the next pandemic, perhaps even prevent the next pandemic, and the next pandemic thats not a question of if, its a question of when. Jake . All right. Nick, thanks so much. Lets bring in republican Senator Todd Youfng indiana. Senator, thanks for joining us. Youve been talking about this for the better parT Of a year. Youve been among those demanding a deeper investigation into whether covid19 came from, originally came from that Wuhan Lab and leaked. So i guess the question is what made you i mean, you were you were right and now more people, now more experts are taking it seriously that this should be investigated. What made you wonder about that . Was it just the fact that the virus originated in wuhan and thats where this lab was at all . Well, frankly from open source materials. I had a very strong suspicion that there was a high probability that there was a leak ouT Of the wuhan Virology Lab. As a former marine corps intelligence officer, one looks at direct evidence, but also circumstantial evidence, and here you happened to have a Virology Lab that works on the very varianT Of covid we believe that has decimated the economy of the world and killed millions of people so it stands to reason that there should have been full access to the data analyzing this strain of covid virus, that there should have been full access to the workers within the lab and that all of that should have been provided in an expeditious manner. None that have happened. The Chinese Communist Party instead was incredibly destructive and negligent in terms of being forthcoming, and so what we need to do is we need to address this as the biden administration is now doing, ordering that 90day Investigationy so that the Intelligence Department can give us more clarity about the origins of the virus and we need to prepare for the future. And among the things were considering are that in the United States, the endless frontier act, my legislation working with republicans and democrats alike to invest in the technologies of the future that will allow the United States to the outgrow, outinnovate and outcompete the Chinese Communist Party. Let me ask you. The biden administration is leaning on the World Health Organization to investigate the Wuhan Lab theory. Obviously thats they are more we we are more likely to get some answers from w. H. O. Which china is party to than, you know, they are not going to let the cia come in and give it a look. Sure. But do you think any findings from from the World Health Organization will be credible at this point . Well, look, they are certainly in need of great reform. Perhaps replacement as an entity. In fact, i led a hearing on this before the virus ever impacted the world about reforming the World Health Organization and perhaps Coming Up with a better model, but with that said i think its credibility will only be undermined further if they dont if they arent able to persuade the Chinese Communist Party to come up with the data pertaining to this virus and provide access to some of the chinese nationals who were working on this virus. I dont see any other way for the World Health Organization to restore its credibility in the eyes of americans and many across the world who have seen them frankly place more trust in the chinese communist Party Leadership and more deference to them than they to the western world. Yeah. In the final months of the Trump Administration the State Department was trying to investigate in some way the Wuhan Lab theory, but sources tell cnn the biden administration when they came in they should that down and today your republican colleague John Kennedy from louisiana pressed dr. Fauci and others at the nih about the guidance and whether they had offered any guidance to the biden administration on shutting that down. Take a listen . We have no influence the State Department spiked the prior administrations study. But that has nothing to do with the national induets of. They didnt consult with yall . They did not. Did they consult with you, dr. Collins . I read about it in the press this morning . Doc. No. They just spoikd itiked It W talking to their experts . You dont want to answer that, do you . I just read about it. Thank you, madam chair. I think he made his point. What do you make of that . The boyden administration, the Secretary Of State blinken, the president himself needs to explain why they spiked this legitimate and very important investigation that was going on seemingly interrupted for either ideological purposes or political purposes as opposed to any other legitimate reason. In the absence of explanation, and we werent able to get it from the chief Health Policy advisers of the biden administration, then one can only assume these these other motives, and thats unfortunate when youre talking about the health of the american people here hand now, but also thinking about how we might prepare for another pandemic which is almost a certitude The Way the Chinese Communist Party carries on their activities with wet markets, seemingly with poorly attended labs and other other problems, including not reporting the outbreak of a pandemic to the world violating international law over a year ago. The Biden Team made a big show ouT Of the importance of listening to health experts, but apparently they didnt when it came to spiking this investigation at the State Department. You cant listen to the science and emphasize the importance of following science selectively. Otherwise your credibility becomes undermined and that applies to republicans an democrats alike, but its really been the democrats who have been placing great emphasis on this, so once again, President Biden, Secretary Of State blinken, they need to come up with answers. I agree. Senator young, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you, jake. Appreciate it. Always good to see you. Donald trump the focus of a new Grand Jury investigation. What prosecutors are telling at leasT One witness in the case. Stay with us. vo conventional thinking doesnt disrupt the status quo. Which is why tmobile for business uses unconventional thinking to help your business realize new possibilities. 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The the Washington Post says that a Grand Jury has been convened in new york, and jurors there are considering whether to indict the Trump Organization, executives at the Trump Organization or even mr. Trump, Donald Trump himself. And as Cnns Paula reed reports for us now a sign of an advanced investigation into the former president and the looming charges that he could possibly be facing. Reporter today the Manhattan District attorney has reportedly convened a special Grand Jury to help decide whether it can bring an indictment in its twoyear investigation into the Trump Organization and the former president s financial dealings according to the Washington Post. The Grand Jury will be made up as many as 23 randomly selected citizens. Their work will be done in secret and reportedly they will be meeting three times a week for at least the next six months. Prosecutors have already used a Grand Jury to issue subpoenas for documents and will be able to present charges which would only require a majority of jurors to deliver an indictment. The wideranging investigation includes whether the Trump Organization improperly valued assets in financial filings, something former be Trump Attorney testified to. It was my experience that mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes such as trying to be lists amongst the wealthiest people in forbes and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. Cohen has met with investigators several times, but legal analysts say fraud requires specific evidence. What youre going to need is a witness who discussed the fraudulent scheme with Donald Trump and can say i committed fraud and i did it at the direction of My Boss Donald Trump, and if you dont have that witness in this case, i think its very difficult to charge Donald Trump. Reporter that witness could be the Trump Organizations longtime cfo. Replacing george as my chief financial officer alan weisselberger. Reporter he handled the Trump Organizations finances for 40 years and was left in charge of the company when trump became president. Weisselberger is under investigation himself for his own taxes, a pressure that could lead him T O why that differs is as soon as we can geT One team together, we go in. The first through the door was the Sheriffs Office and San Jose Police Department. They are my true heroes. There was active shooting going on at that time. There were victims that were shot in two separate buildings. But they responded. They responded The Way they should. They took their life in their hands and i know for sure when the suspect new the Law Enforcement was there, he took his own life. Our deputies were right there at that time. It is a very complex investigation. We know San Jose is working on the house fire. We are still putting that together. We are doing everything we can to identify the victims as soon as possible so their Loved Ones can know. It is still too early to know if the suspect was an employee also. I am going to pass iT On to governor gavin newsome. Let me thank the sheriff, mayor, all of the men and the women in uniform. You are going to learn about the heroisim of the San Jose police to save lives, Deputy Sheriffs that quite literally ran moments or seconds after hearing about the incident without a consideration of their own lives and did an extraordinary job to save other peoples lives. There is a numbness. The sameness to it, anywhere, usa. It feels like it happens over and over and over again. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat. Not that long ago i was standing out here talking about the tragic loss of two children, one in a mothers arms at the Gilroy Festival here in this community, Santa Barbara a few years prior. You know, pick a state. Here we are in the United States of america we are experiencing something that is not experienced anywhere else in the world. There is a sameness to this. There is a numbness, i think, is something we are all feeling. All of us gathered here today looking at the scene and listening to governors, mayors, chiefs, speaking, similar tone and similar terms, expression of don the right words but what the hell is wrong in the United States of america. What the hell is wrong with us. When will we come to grips with this and put down our arms literally and figuratively. Our politics, stale rhetoric, finger pointing, consterination that produces nothing but more fury and frustration, more scenes like this repeated over and over and over again. I say it not as a governor but as a father of four and as a member of the community who cares deeply about it. So, we will have time to work through all of that. BuT One thing that i briefly wanted to speak to is the pain in those victims. I just spent, we had the privilege to spend the last few hours with the victims that are waiting to just learn if their Loved One is still alive. They are dialing the phones. Cant find it. They are trying to go on and find a phone of the Loved One. Waiting to hear from the coroner or any of us, just desperate to find out if their brother, son, dad, mom is still alive. Just imagine being in their shoes. No more important questions and answers than the victims of the tragic, senseless shooting. I am not just going to express the usual platitudes. Let me thank the heroism of the victims and the fact they can stand up to support each other. That is remarkable. What a human act. So i just want to have folks know we are here for the victim. The county. The state. And i know that we have elected officials that want to be here for this nation. But it is time to deal with the pandemic of gun violence, the preexisting condition that somehow was pushed aside last year. We wake up to the reality and take a little damn responsibility, All Of Us to do a little bit more and a little bit better this time and move beyond the platitudes and the usual rhetoric that tends to mark not just the moments but the aftermath of the moments as all of you go away and this fades ouT Of you and we rinse and repeat somewhere else. To the victims and to those that lost their lives of the family. We are resolved not to make it meaningless but to make meaning of the tragic moment in our state and our nations history. Thank you to all of the men and the women behind me and the incredible, incredible bravery that was demonstrable of the men and the women of the San Jose Police Department and Sheriffs Office. Next glenn hendricks. As you all know a horrible tragedy has impacted the family, organization and our whole community and thoughts and love go out to all of the employees that have been directly and indirect impacted by this horrible event. The families have been moved to the Family Assistance Center at the Red Cross to continue to meet with counselors about what is happening. We are grateful for the outpouring of support coming from union and transiT Organizations from across the country. The Vta Suspendeds it light Rail Service and probably will be suspended several days as we work through being able to get back in the yard. We will be able to geT Our customers around. We are asking that the customers be patient with us as we work through the event and try to recover the service and i want to thank all of the Law Enforcement that has been involved in the quick reaction and The Way they are dealing with everyone involved by this and once again, i want to say how terribly sorry that i am and i want to thank everybody who has been so effective. Next the presidenT Of the County Board of supervisors. It was two years ago a Mass Shooting in gilroy and Law Enforcement responded quickly and minimized the number of fatalities. Last year we had covid. We still have covid. Last year was the big year. And the people and the county responded with the lowest Positivity Rate in the state. Today we had a Mass Shooting here. And It Was the Santa Clara county Sheriffs Department and Police Department that responded so quickly to minimize the loss of lives. You can see the flag at halfmast to commemorate and remember the people that passed today. It is an extremely sad day in the history of Santa Clara county, but i am also very proud of the response by Law Enforcement and the vta family, taking care of the Loved Ones and survivors of those that passed and the district Attorneys Office that stepped forth with the services they provided two years ago to the people in gilroy and continue to provide every day and will provide to the survivors, Loved Ones and family of those that passed. It is a sad day in Santa Clara county history. But i am proud of the response, including the unions coming forward with funding and help. Santa Clara County is a family. You are seeing that go in to effect today. My let me start by reminding everyone the backbone of Santa Clara county throughout covid19 were the essential workers and none were more essential than making sure you can get to your place of Work And Vta never stopped moving people from Point A to point b. These heroes we learned how to call essential workers heroes. We are calling on them to be heroes again. There is a fund set up for the families. And by going to workingpartnerships. Org, anybody that wants to make a contribution to the families that were impacted can do it directly by going to workingpartnershipsusa. Org. I want to close with this point. While my heartbreaks, i cant stop thinking about what we can be doing differently to stop this in our community so that it does not become something that just happens but something that should never happen, and thank you all for being here. Thank you. You have been listening to an update from officials in San Jose, california about todays Mass Shooting. Eight isnt individuals were shot and killed at a rail yard. The Sheriffs Department and the sheriffs say they did not Exchange Gunfire with the ninth person, the gunman. They believe he took his own life and officials are not ready to determine a motive. The Bomb Squad remains at the scene because of reports of explosive devices in the building. We heard, and i want to bring back the former acting Police Commissioner of baltimore as well as our chicago Police Officer. You heard from gavin newsom, the democratic governor of california talking about the numbness and the sameness of another Mass Shooting in the country. He said what the hell is going on in the United States of america . When are we going to come to grips with this . Commissioner barksdale, i wonder what you made of that . I thought that his statements were spoT On. He is absolutely right, jake. We are seeing this too much over and over and over again. And it is a problem. It is a crisis that we need to resolve as fast as possible. We are losing too many citizens due to gun violence. What do you think . Well, i think jake what we see trending in the country is the need for some humanity to be reinstilled. We go about dressing these things. I have been on your show for years. We often find ourselves at the same place. There is a call to action. We have a visceral reaction to these things. I think this is a moment in this country where we can stand together and say as the governor pointed out these folks dont have to have lost their lives in vain. We have an opportunity to bring back a level of common decency to what we are trying to do. And again, as everybody my heart goes out to the families and everybody that is involved in the situation. Gentlemen, thank you so much for sticking around. Coming up, we are going to talk live to the mayor of San Jose about the shooting. Stay with us. This academic year has been, um, challenging. But i think theres so much success to celebrate. Woman its been a year like No Other. Man yet, for educators across california, the care, compassion, and teaching has never stopped. Woman addressing their unique needs. Man . And providing a safe Learning Environment students could counT On. Woman join us in honoring the work of educators. Together, we will build a better california for All Of Us. You could take your ulcerative Colitis Treatment in a different direction. 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[announcer] grubhub perks give you deals on all the food that makes you boogy. upbeat music get the food you love with perks from. [group] grubhub [announcer] grub what you love. Welcome to the lead, im jake tapper. Eight innocent people have been killed in a Mass Shooting in california, and police say the male suspect is also dead after a selfinflicted gunshot wound, and the mother of capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick is pleading with republican lawmakers to geT On board with the commission to look into the January 6th insurrection. And leading this hour, new action in the search to find out where covid came from. Today President Biden tasking the u. S. Intelligence community to further and more intensely investigate as speculations about a possible Lab Leak in wuhan, china. The timing of bidens New Order is notable as reports show what his administration may already know about this. More now from the white house. Reporter President Biden calling on the u. S. Intelligence community to intensify the investigation into the origin of covid19. This is incredibly important. Reporter biden demanding a firmer answer after officials narrowed in on two likely scenarios, passed from animals to humans or It Was the resulT Of a lab accident. It could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion. Reporter the president has specific questions for china and Intelligence Agencies to keep congress apprised. A sharp turn from where officials stood earlier this week when pressed on whether the

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