Executives or the company itself. It took five days. House g. O. P. Leaders condemning Marjorie Taylor Greene for comparing rules requiring that masks be worn in congress to the holocaust. And tonight growing calls from heavy hitters like dr. Fauci to investigate the origins of the coronavirus to determine if it occurred naturally or if it leaked out of a laboratory in china. I want to bring in cnns legal analysts, Carrie Cordero and elie horn ig. Good so see you. Elie, starting with you, the manhattan d. A. Is convening this Grand Jury according to the post. What does this tell you about his investigation into trump and his company . Has he found evidence of a crime . I think the short answer is yes, don, some evidence. This is obviously significant. This is important. If Donald Trump is to be indicted, and thats far from certain at this point, but if he is, these are the everyday women and men on this Grand Jury who will return the indictment. However, this is not extraordinary. This is not a shocker. This is, in fact, exactly what you would expect to see in the normal progress of a criminal case if you, as a prosecutor, believe that your case was productive, that you found enough that you had to goodfaith basis so impanel a Grand Jury. Ultimately, a lot of this will sit in the prosecutors hands. The Grand Jury will vote. There is the adage that a prosecutor can get a Ham Sandwich indicted in the Grand Jury. There is some truth to that. The burden is low. They need have more than that. They need to have more than probable cause, which is the standard the Grand Jury, if they are going to seek an indictment of Donald Trump. Carrie, we know Cy Vance has trumps Tax Returns and he has been looking into trumpowned properties and what kind of charges, i wonder, could the former president and the associates be facing if Cy Vance is looking into all of that . Well, based on the reporting so far, it seems like all of the investigation is focused on things that would fall under the umbrella of financial crimes and fraud. I think fraud is sort of the big word. Was there different types of fraud, financial fraud, miss filing or fraudulently filing business records, tax issues, misrepresenting the value of assets. Everything that falls into the big Fraud Category seems to be the types of things that they are looking at. And what that means is that a significant part of this case that prosecutors are building is a documents case. So the records that they obtained are important, and other all the documents that they have, the digital documents that they have, all of that is going to be the basis for being able to determine whether there are financial crimes that they have a provable case. Usually, when, you know, you guys are very experienced with this. Your resumes speak for themselves. Carrie, what is your gut tell you when you see, with the information, the evidence and where in case is going . Well, on one hand, i dont think we, the public, obviously, know what the prosecutors know. Its difficult to be able to judge evidence that we havent seen. I do worrisome, don, that there is a real risk with this prosecution because this is a former president. So far, federal authorities seem so have passed on making any kind of financial fraud case, and so this is up to the state attorneys, the manhattan d. A. s office, that are taking on an investigation of a former president , his family, his Business Associates and his company. And so there is a real risk that their actions, if they really dont have a good basis for taking these next investigative steps, that they will contribute to an environment where people view Law Enforcement and prosecutions as a tool of political retribution. So i just think that the stakes are much higher in this case for the prosecutors to really do their job well. Same question, elie. Yeah. Don, i share some of carries skepticism here. My gut tells me this will rise or fall on one person, alan weissingberg. If prosecutors flip him and this Grand Jury can charge anybody. They could charge the trump children, allen weisselberg. They will need allen weisselberg, i believe, to cooperate so he can walk them through the financial transactions, tell them what Donald Trump knew, what he authorized. You dont have allen weisselberg, it will be tough case to make for the reasons carrie laid out. Thank you both. I appreciate it. I want to bring in cnn political Con Entater Amanda Commentator And Kirsten powers. Amanda, good morning to both of you. You heard carrie and elie. Carrie said, you know, i am a bit concerned about that this may move into the political realm more than the legal realm, that they are using a political process to try to get a former president or his family. What do you think of that . Yeah, i mean, i think there are concerns. You know that Donald Trump is going to try this in the court of public opinion, say, here they go again. I think there is a large degree of public fatigue. I mean, we have gonzaga gone through the mueller investigation, impeachment one, impeachment two, we are going to have this, the other New York investigation, the georgia investigation, and so i just i can only hope that they will maintain the utmost degree of professionalism because this will be incredibly hard not to get drug into. And i see some criticism for the left for apparently the biden Administrations Reluctance to get involved. I think thats the best thing that Joe Biden can do. Let this play out with the investigators who are handling it in a professional, discrete way. The facts will go where we need them to go. Have patience. Kirsten, lets talk about the republican party here and the leadership. Taking five days to condemn Marjorie Taylor Greenes Antisemitism And Kevin Mccarthy Couldnt call her comments appalling, he had to make claims about antisemitism and democrats, is he minimizing her in the same breath . Yes. The republican party doesnt seem to be able to just take responsibility. Whenever you are calling something out or apologizing or doing anything look that, you are not supposed to point fingers at other people. Frankly, there is nobody that comes close to the way Marjorie Taylor Greene behaves. So for him to suggest, you know, i think he is maybe suggesting that remarks that were made by ilhan Omar Or Shower in this league when, a, they are not, and b, she apologized for them. Marjorie Taylor Greene, on the other hand, not only has not apologized. She has gone on Twitter And Sort of doubled down on everything she said and is portraying herself as a victim and even trying to pretend she didnt say what everybody heard her say. So i think Kevin Mccarthy thinks the only way he will win the house back is with Donald Trump behind him and he doesnt want to upset Donald Trump and Donald Trump likes Marjorie Taylor Greene and so apparently she gets to do whatever she wants, you know, until at least according to cnns reporting they start hearing from donors and members of congress saying this is not going to fly and then he gives this kind of ridiculous calling her out and then pointing fingers at the democrats. But he is not really doing anything about it. Amanda, Republican Sources tell cnn that g. O. P. Donors, house members as well urged mccarthy to condemn greene. They dont think much else will happen to her. I quote, Donald Trump likes her. He supports her and kevin doesnt want to upset trump. I mean yeah. Thats not even a leader if you are following that, if thats what you are doing. No. Kevin mccarthy is a political wind sock. He will flip on every issue to appease whoever is treating him well at that particular moment in time. This isnt going to get better. This isnt the only incident Marjorie Taylor Greene has. What do you want . Antisemitism, 9 11 trutherism, Sandy Hook . There is an Internet Archive of this that is completely deranged. She was stocking and harassing a Parkland Survivor on Capitol Hill. This isnt going to end with just this remark. She has political power because Republican Leaders like Kevin Mccarthy and Mitch Mcconnell have decided they Cant Win without the trump coalition. Does she have political power . Yes. Is it just yes, yes, let me explain. Try to picture Mitch Mcconnell going to a Trump Rally and revving up that base. He would get booed off stage faster than kelly loeffler. They need Marjorie Taylor Greene because they decided that that Capitol Hill storm the Capitol Brigade is their face that they cant afford to alienate. I dont expect a lot of action. They knew this about her the whole time. Its on the internet. You can go find it. So unless enough Donors Revolt to make them pay a price, as long as, you know, Donald Trump is the republican leader of the party that they cannot afford to alienate, expect to hear more. Its just shocking, the embodiment of, like, you know, an Internet Troll coming to life and then being elected to congress. Thats what it is. If her name was karen, it would just be, you know, 100 perfect. So, also tonight Senators Mansion and cinema are pleading with republicans to vote for the January 6th commission. Those democratic senators oppose getting rid of the filibuster and they know that is not going to look good or help the argument for keeping it when republicans even filibuster creating a bipartisan commission to look into one of the darkest days in our history. I mean, there is some big stakes at play. Yeah. Look, its just its not its not defensible to be opposing something like this. Its clearly for political reasons. Its just its the kind of Thing Drn and i have said this before, but it needs to be repeated over and over, that pretrump would be unimaginable. And we have to kind of stay tethered to that time and remember that, like, just how off the rails things really are and how off the rails the republican party really has gone, that, yes, democrats and republicans have always, you know, sort of been at odds, but there were times and things that brought them together. What happened on January 6th would have been the type of thing in the past that bring people together, and it did right after, right . And then they, you know, changed course and now are basically just not interested in the most basic fundamental responsibility that they have. One of you i have got to say, because we do Need Unity so desperately on this issue, even if the senate tanks this through the filibuster, i really hope and pray that Nancy Pelosi finds a way to get house republicans like liz cheney, adam kinzinger, anybody that wants to help on a select commission, committee, please, please get them involved because she has to show we all need to see some republicans do the right thing. She passed on the opportunity to make an adjustment, an Impeachment Manager through the last impeachment. Please dont do that again. Get them involved. Who read the Freight Train . Probably me. You took me back to my childhood in the middle of the night. Thats my Sleep Karma right there. You get a Freight Train, im out like a light. Thank you both. Now president ial historian douglas brinkley, good morning to you. No Freight Trains here in the studio. Thats good. Lets talk about the White House because they need to work with this party. They believe. Two huge pieces of bidens agenda. The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act and infrastructure bill. Both stalled in congress as negotiators try to cut deals. Could we be seeing the last chance for a biden hope for bipartisanship here . I think its getting very close into, don. Joe biden ran as a uniter. He was going to pull the country together. And i think after January 6th the assumption was the relat republican party would turn on trump, admit it was an insurrection and mend their ways, but, alas, its still the party of Donald Trump. Mitch mcconnell doesnt want to do business with biden. They are eating up precious clock. We are heading into memorial Day Weekend and there is nothing concrete on the table. So bidens probably, he has to start stepping up and going alone. He tried to do it with the democrats. He went from 2 Trillion for his economic jobs recovery package, then down to 1. 7. He cant keep going in that direction. At one point this might have to be an alldemocratic jobs recovery package, and there have to reap the consequences that have like obama when he had to do the affordable Care Act on his own. I am glad you mentioned the former president. Remember when he first got elected Mitch Mcconnell said his number one priority was to make him a oneterm president , right . Susan rice was there. I hope you heard my interview she is now an advisor to the current president Joe Biden. They are insisting they will keep trying for bishop ship, but behind the scenes they must know what they are up against and they have got to know. Theyve got to know, douglas, in January Everyone said the republicans are never going to work with you. February. March. April. Here we are in may. Its almost june. They are never going to work with him. I know everyone says he is like, oh, thats a great quality of Joe Biden, bipartisanship. Its not going to happen. It wasnt going to happen 12 years ago or with obama. Its not going to happen now. Why do they keep trying . Its an exercise in futility. I think biden sees himself as a deal maker. He has all that senate irts not going to happen. I agree with. I dont think yeah. And i think thats where bidens hitting his rubicon. He is going to go to europe, come back, and i think he has to step up. Don, realize, Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are ready to go it alone with the democratic party if need be. They made one big offer here to the republicans. The republicans blew it off. I wouldnt keep whittling downward. Things happen. The summer we might have wildfires and then hurricanes. Get this done. Be known as the infrastructure president. Get your big package done and do it with straight democratic votes. Thats the smart thing to do in history. I think it would be, you know, i would understand it more if the republican party was living in reality at this point. Yep. Quite simply, honestly they arent. Theyre not. Yeah. And they are not they never since January 6th, the fact of what they are doing with gerrymandering and voters rights. They are at war with Joe Biden. Most of these republican congressmen are buying into the line, they say on Fox News that biden didnt really win the election. So how can you do business with those people . He gave it a try, biden. He might give it a couple more weeks and then he will have to be a Power President , not the healer in chief. Yeah. Learn the hard way. Thank you. I appreciate it. George floyds family in Washington Today pushing for the Policing Reform Bill that bears his name. But that bill the president wanted on his desk today, again, more evidence of what i just said, didnt make the deadline. Whats the hangup . 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One year ago George Floyds death shocked the world. Nine minutes the seconds. The video spa,ing a global reckoning on racial justice. Former Officer Derek Chauvin is behind bars convicted of murder in floyds death. What else has changed. Joining me to discuss this is criminal Defense Attorney Mr. Joey jackson. Joey, thank you so much. Its good to see you. What a year, huh . What a year, what a year. And one year ago today, thats the death, George Floyds death, shocked the world. We beth know so many other black people who have died at the hands of police, but talk to me about the impact of his death and what its had on racial Justice Or Injustice in this country. Yeah, don, good to see you. I think certainly its been a reckoning. Let me explain why. There is a lot of talk about legislation. I think legislation is important, don, as it relates to the George Floyd bill, banning chokeholds, of course, banning noknock warrants, absolutely, looking at the issue of qualified immunity which protects the police from civil lawsuits and other things. But you cant legislate good judgment. You cant legislate morality. You cant legislate discretion being used in a way that favors deescalation. Let me tell you what it means to me. I think the fact that it went to trial, right, was really bold. Why . Its interesting, don. You know this, we talked about this before. In barbershops across america you have conversations, and my barber said something interesting to me. Why is this case, as it folded, why is it going to trial . I said let me tell you why. There is an emboldenness. We dont think jurors want to convict police. Lets take it to trial and take our shot. The fact of the matter is that it was a reckoning and the fact that he was convicted, mr. Chauvin gave the indication that people have said that enough is enough. And they have said, you know, we have seen so many times, you could take it back to eric garner, new York City, as you recall, fact that he got choked and died as a result of cigarettes, right, and you see that was no indictment. Other cases no arrest. Phila Foothil Phi Philando castile. Mr. Yanez taken to trial. Of course, he wasnt convicted. Here you saw a conviction. And so i think what it means to me is there is a reckoning and it says that enough is enough and there is going to be accountability. And when Officers Misstep and they abuse communities, they demoralize communities, they disrespect communities, and they do other things to terrorize communities, they are going to be held accountable. So i think it was a big and a tremendous moment notwithstanding the video that we saw that demonstrated clearly that he was guilty, but the fact that a jury had the courage to find him agguilty was a Big Momt and deters every member of Law Enforcement who will transgress and do bad things. Final point, don, thats this. A lot of Law Enforcement officials are doing great things. Every day and twice on sunday to protect communities. But to those who misstep, to those who dont value, as we heard the chief say, remember him, right, the sanctity of life, that we are going to make sure you get your day in court. After that day in court you will be convicted and Face Jail time, too. It was a great equalizer. We have a system that needs to be fixed. We have a system that targets people of color. That needs to stop. 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You know, we can look back in a time in history where people were told to wear a Gold Star and they were definitely treated like secondclass citizens, so much so that they were put in trains and taken to Gas Chambers A in nazi germany. This is exactly the type of abuse that Nancy Pelosi is talking about. Green doubling down today in a tweet saying she never compared it to the holocaust, only the discrimination against jews in early nazi years. Stephen d. Smith, the executive at the university of southern california. I am glad you are here. Thank you for joining us. I think its important for people to know their history and understand the issues. I didnt invite you on to talk politics. This is about education. When Marjorie Taylor Greene compares Mask Mandates to the holocaust, she seems not to understand the atrocities committed by the nazi regime. How dangerous are remarks like hers . Well, i think in her case i think she understands what happened because she quotes that they were put on trains and sent to gas chambers. Its not made out of ignorance as far as i can see. Obviously, the situation is absurd because the Mask Mandate is there to protect life and the markations that were given to jews during the holocaust was a mark of death. In fact, people think that maybe that was the first step that was taken. People were given a yellow star, and a series of things happened and eventually they were murdered. By the time the yellow star was intr introduced there had been 1,500 laws promulgated against the jews in germany. The second World War had begun. By that time squujews lost thei homes, education, evicted from their country, scitizenship removed and Tens Of Thousands were already in concentration camps. It was only when hitler went in poland and ultimately into the Soviet Union that this became a way of marking jews so that they knew that they would be marked for death. And so it has its completely opposite meaning and its an egregious use of that history. The auschwitz Museum Tweeting that using the Suffering And Murder of jews in a debate over public health protections is, quote, a sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline. Do you agree . Well, i do. And i dont think this is a matter of ignorance. I think its willful Manipulation And Misuse of history for political ends. Think we have to check ourselves. This doesnt only happen on one side of the political spectrum. I think its about respect for the history. Imagine you are one of the 100,000 Holocaust Survivors living in the united states. Its more than 100,000. And you hear that comment. When you as a child wore one of those stars, which marked you and your family out for murder, and in most cases resulted in the Mass Murder of their families, imagine how they feel hearing that. Particularly when they have given the time and the trouble, many Holocaust Survivors like at the foundation where i work, 55,000 of them have told their stories in great pain and in great detail so we know this. I think it behooves us to spend time and to listen to their stories so we understand when they are being taken out of context and misused. How do we do that . I do think its important to hear peoples stories. How do we get that . I guess maybe its incumbent upon me to educate people like this segment. Unless we do this weeks on end, there is not enough of it to educate people. I understand that you are saying that you think its willful. But i do think that there is some ignorance in there. Because in you understood the Plight And Suffering of jewish people, you wouldnt do it. Do you understand what im saying, stephen . Let me give you an alternative example here. Last year Deshaun Jackson made egregious comments, Misquoted Hitler with respect to the jews. Deshaun jackson found himself sanctioned. He took the time and Trouble And Humility to learn. He went to the Holocaust Survivor and spent hours talking to them. He came andl listened to the testimony of survivors. A few weeks ago i invited Deshaun Jackson with 15,000 students across the country to speak about the issues of the holocaust and antisemitism. I didnt brief him. I didnt tell him what to say. I didnt talk in advance. I said the floor is yours. And i trusted him with 15,000 Young Lives and he was right on point. He was humble enough to learn. He spoke to the young people with dignity. I would put him in any classroom anywhere at any time. We can become the teachers, not aggressors or those who agrief those who might otherwise be hurt. Stephen, thank you for that. I appreciate it. 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The closely held effort began at the State Department near The End of the Trump Administration led by allies of thensecretary of state mike pompeo. Sources say it was shuttered over concerns about the quality of the evidence being gathered. The news comes as Health Officials signal there needs to be a full investigation into the origins of the coronavirus. Tom is here, the director of the global Health Program at the Council On Foreign Relations and the author of plagues and the paradox of progress. Tom, good so see you. Its been a minute since we had you on. Happy to have you back. This is coming to light after reporting about the researchers at the lab who fell ill in november of 2019. What questions does that raise for you . There are a lot of questions. Frankly, we are a year into more than a year into this pandemic. We still dont know the origin of the virus. We dont know how it jumped most likely from bats to some intermediate host and then to humans. We still dont know that. We still dont know what the earliest cases were from the virus and, again, there is a lot we dont know about this lab in wuhan. That doesnt mean that this was a lab leak, but there are enough questions that its really important that we have a full and rigorous investigation of what has happened with this virus. I remember in the beginning we were doing stories with animation on a Wet Market and a bat and a pangolin and there was talk about it starting in a lab. Should this investigation have been shut down given how much remains unknown . Its important that we investigate. I dont know if this particular investigation that was being organized at the State Department would have gotten us there. Whats important to understand here is really the only way to get at this answer is to do a full investigation in china. We need to interview the people at the lab. We need to take Blood Tests or at least see the samples of the earliest cases we can find, and particularly samples of cases that have yet to be diagnosed. We have to look through lab records. Thats really the only way we will answer that. To have that happen, we need the permission of china. And there is no power under international law to make that happen. We cant send in human forces. There will be no invasion of the blue hats to make this happen. We need to do this through diplomacy. Its not clear that the kind of investigation that Secretary Pompeo was doing would have led us to that. The u. S. Has actually given some funding to that lab for the study of coronaviruses in bats. Fauci today defended that. These chinese Bat Caves have long been a Focus Point in virus research. Why are they so critical . What makes them so critical . Yeah. So coronaviruses are common in bats. There was research going on at this particular lab into coronaviruses. Thats appropriate. We have had multiple epidemics and pandemics in the past involving coronaviruses. Sars, of course. Also mers, middle eastern respiratory syndrome. Good reason to do those that research. The question is whether or not that research, you know, has led to a lab leak. What the most likely scenario, if it isnt just natural origin, is that the virus may have developed naturally, but was being studied at the lab and escape that way. Thats the information that we really need to find out. I am not concerned with the nih grant. Im more concerned with the lack of transparency, particularly from the chinese government, about what happened in the investigation. The u. S. Is hitting a major milestone today. More than half of adults are fully vaccinated. The cdc says its safe for vaccinated folks to enjoy memorial Day Weekend. Should we be concerned about unvaccinated people gathering . Im concerned. Particularly in parts of the Country Whereva Vaccination rat are low. In the south, the vaccination rates of adults is half of what we see in the northeast and other parts of the united states. There is still a lot of people who have yet to be vaccinated and im concerned that we declared victory too early. People, remember, last year at this time, in may, you and i were talking in interviews like this, cases were dropping in the u. S. , too. Some of this is in addition to the vaccination seasonal. And we need to be a little bit we are not quite there yet. Its important that we maintain that ahead of this holiDay Weekend. Tom, thank you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Calls across the country to Defund The Police largely on hold. We investigate why next. At johnsonville, weve often wondered how could burgers and dogs be our national tradition, when you cant even spell sausage without usa. Exercise your right to mix it up, and throw on some johnsonville sausage. Because freedom is delicious. Ooh, look daveed, my delivery is here. 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Reporter but the movement to slash Police Budgets is now facing serious headwinds. The slogan Defund The Police has itself become a political football. In a recent spike in violent crime in cities has some politicians wanting to spend more money on police. Throughout the 2020 election, republicans used calls to Defund The Police as a political bludgeon. Due to defunding of the Police Department, were sorry, but No One is here to take your call. There wont be defunding. There wont be dismantling of our police. Without police, there is chaos. They want to Defund The Police and take away your second amendment rights. Reporter in the debate among democrats proving to be anything but monolithic. Have essentially already begun pursuing defunding of the police. Defunding of the police is the wrong approach for new York City. Im going take A Billion Dollars from the new York City Police Department. Our communities are overpoliced and underresourced. Reporter we must have a Police Department that we trust. We have to root out the bad apples and lets go forward with a good solid program. Not defunding the police. Reporter and among the most vocal supporters of defunding the police, some arent calling for the outright abolishment of Law Enforcement, but instead strategic and incremental cuts they believe are desperately needed. Weve never said Defund The Police and just dont do anything with those dollars. We said Defund The Police and invest those dollars in the things that actually make communities safe. We begin by removing police from places we can all agree they dont belong. The 10 freeway. Reporter another challenge to the Defund The Police movement, crime, like in Los Angeles, where homicide is up over 26 since the same time last year. City officials voted last year to cut 150 Million from the Police Departments budget. But now after a unanimous City Council vote, the mayor is poised to Add Millions of dollars to the lapd. This budget is going to allow us to start hiring, to start putting cops through the academy and back on the street. Reporter the sheriff in Los Angeles engaged in a war of words with county officials, blaming calls to defund police and aggressive policies for the rise in crime. But experts say its not possible to draw a line between the two. Weve seen that in cities that have cut Police Budgets. Weve seen that in cities that have not cut Police Budgets. The causes of crime are pretty complicated, and anybody who says that oh, ive got it figured out. It was this one simple thing is almost certainly wrong. Reporter right or wrong, where does the movement go from here . Were not going let up. We need to let the Mayor And City council know that they will be held accountable there will be political consequences if they choose to be in the pockets of Police Associations rather than act on behalf of the people. Reporter and don, when it comes to policing reform, the issue of whether to cut Police Department budgets remains a hotly contested one. After the murder of George Floyd, we saw some cities cut funding to Law Enforcement in favor of other social services. But as were seeing here in Los Angeles, for example, with violent crime on the rise, some of those proposed Budget Cuts are on the verge of possibly being reversed by elected leaders. All of this is of course raising an important question for those seeking to cut Police Department budgets, whats next for the movement . Activists we have spoken with say they will keep fighting. And rather than simply protesting, their aim is creating their On Change at the ballot box. Josh campbell, thank you. And thank you for watching, everyone. Our coverage continues. [truck horn blares] vo the subaru forester. Dog tested. Dog approved. Cal our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. 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Obviously, this is a panel that will be reviewing a number of different cases over the