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Just deal with it in the punishment. Dont punish the speech. We, as a society, made a determination that, when you hit someone because of who or what they are, it matters. The second criticism is, which you should, like even less, okay, because it has no legitimacy. Is chip roy, the republican, coming to Hawleys Aid and saying, well, you know, it takes away from the local police, the way to categorize incidents, and gives it to the doj. Yeah. Thats exactly what we need, because thats why abuse of Force Recording is such a problem, because if you leave it to the local police, if they dont believe in the designation. They dont want to highlight a problem. They wont. And you dont get uniform data. Yeah. Well, there is a lot to be said about that. And a lot to be said about the local police. And how they classify and qualify things, especially that video coming out. Of or dont coming out of louisiana. And let me tell you. My mom has been, you know, i grew up in louisiana. My family is still there. My mom is outraged or i mean, its outrage, obviously, in louisiana, but across the country. And we, first, played that video Last Night on the show. And i knew that it was going to boil up. And folks were going to start talk be talking about it. Now, the Family Members are coming out. If you look at the video, we havent seen all of it. There is 46 minutes of it. Its horrendous. Wiping the hands off. There is blood everywhere. I hope i dont get effing aids, the cops are saying. I mean, the parts that we see, chris, its just awful. One, its a Haunting Reminder of what We Saw with George Floyd even though it happened years earlier. Even the time on the ground is eerily similar. The anniversary. One year, coming up, for George Floyd. Two years for that. And as we all know, nineplus minutes with George Floyd. Nine here. Im not suggesting a pattern, except in this regard. George floyd was not a one off. The only thing that made it different was that it happened in broad daylight, where everybody could video it. Mostly, it happens on bodycamera videos. And now, we do see what we have to change, on one level, absolutely. Bodycam video has to be released. It has to be on. It has to be because you make a show of cause that, releasing it to the public will, somehow, inhibit your investigation. And i dont know how that can, ever, be true about police. Its got to be on at all times and its got to be released. Transparency, transparency. Thank you, sir. D lemon, i love you. I love you more. So lets get to it. This is don lemon tonight. Thanks for joining us. As i said, you saw it here, first, Last Night. And now, we have this new details these new details. Significant, new questions about a shocking story that we first reported to you on this program Last Night. A Black Man Ronald Greening died after being kicked, dragged, and tased by Louisiana State troopers after a chase. His family, initially, they were told that he died in a car crash. Now, i am going to talk to his mother in just a moment. You dont want to miss that. But i want you to look at the video. Its only being seen by the public, now. Even though Ronald Greene died more than two years ago. The associated press released three segments of the original video, which it says, is 46minutes long. Cnn has neither reviewed, nor obtained, the original video. And it is unclear what occurred between, or before before or in between the Video Clips. As i said, 46 minutes. We have not seen all of it. So, this is one of those clips. And i wish i could say its the last time that im going to have to warn you of something like this. But this video is very disturbing to watch. Here it is. Let me see your hands. Come here. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Im scared. Get out of the car im scared officer, im scared like i said, that is incredibly disturbing. And there is more. Leaked audio of a trooper talking about the violent arrest. This is from station in my hometown, wafb, in baton rouge. [ bleep ]. You saw the video. You heard the trooper. All of this raises some very serious questions about what happened to Ronald Greene. And what police said happened. Weve been here, before. George floyd. Breonna taylor. Walter scott. Over and over, black people have died at the hands of police. Police, whose initial reports, didnt tell the real story. And we have only learned The Truth, when the videos surfaced. So, i want you to stay with me, for my interview with Ronald Greenes mother. Thatll happen, in just a moment. But, all of this is happening with some really important things that are happening in washington. Republicans want to bury The Truth of what happened in another violent incident, January 6th. When those violent trumpsupporting rioters attacked the seat of our government. They want to throw what happened into the great, big memory hole, like The One in 1984. So lets put January 6th, 2021, right down there, too. Thats what they want to do. A memory hole, where theyll never have to think about it, again. Where they wont have to admit The Truth that theyre so afraid of a president a former president who was voted out of office six months ago. They dont even want to investigate the insurrection that could have killed them. More and more republican senators, rejecting the bill that passed the house, justLast Night. The bill that would create an independent commission to get to The Truth of what happened. Now, theyre all but certain to to filibuster even the debate in the senate. Dooming the bill. Kevin mccarthy telling cnn today, that hed be willing to testify, if he were asked by an independent commission. Would you be willing to testify about your conversation with Donald Trump on January 6th, if you were asked, by an outside commission . Sure. You would . Next question. Next question. Easy for him to say. Easy for him to say that hed answer the questions from the commission, when hes prettydarn sure theres never going to be a commission. He tipped his hand when Manu Raju asked if hed, also, be willing to testify before a select committee in the house. Watch this. Does that mean you would be willing to testify for a select committee in the house, too . There is no select committee in the house. There is one. I dont think a select committees the proper way to go. Well, then you should have gone with the other one. The hypocrisy is off the charts. Remember, when Kevin Mccarthy said this . This was just one week after the deadly insurrection. The president bears responsibility for Wednesdays Attack on congress by mob rioters. He should have, immediately, denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. These facts require immediate action by president trump. Accept his share of responsibility, quell the brewing unrest, and ensure president Elect Biden is able to successfully begin his term. And the president s immediate action, also, deserves congressional action, which is why i think a Factfinding Commission and a Censure Resolution would be prudent. So, did ya hear that . I would play it, again, but im just going to repeat what he said. He said, a Factfinding Commission would be prudent. Now, not so much. I guess, all it took was, you know, the disgraced, twiceimpeached, oneterm, former president reading him the riot act. And a Groveling Visit to maralago. And how about senator john cornyn, who, just weeks after the insurrection, tweeted that he agreed with the House Speaker Nancy pelosi that a 9 11type Investigation is called for to help prevent an attack on the capitol from happening, again. He must have forgotten. Even though he put it in writing. Because now, he is accusing the House Speaker of pushing the investigation, just to help Democrats Chance of Keeping Control of congress. Saying this, now. That would be the democrats dream. I generally dont try to help democrats. Senator Rob Portman apparently just hasnt gotten around to reading the bill. I mean, i want i want to see what what the scope is. I dont know if Thats Something thats been laid out, yet. And its not its a very short bill. I mean, you can read it in, like, two minutes. Especially you. Especially you. You read tax bills. This is easy. Its just so easy for them, and they do it with a straight face. They think youre dumb. They think youre stupid. But, does it matter . Will they face any repercussions . Thats really up to you. Because, you remember, when their favorite excuse was they they hadnt read the former guys tweets . Now, they dont have time to read the bill, which is their job. Theyre supposed to read the bills. Thats the whole point of them. And then, theres ron johnson. Of course, ron johnson, who never tires of lying and denying. Still, after everything We Saw, w with our own eyes, and heard with our own ears, still trying to sell the lie that what happened on January 6th was a peaceful protest. By and large, it was it was all it was peaceful protest, except for, there were a number of people, basically, agitators, with the crowd. And breached the capitol. And, you know, thats really The Truth of whats happening here. Can you believe that . Except for just a few people. Do we have any Video Anywhere of the can we show some of what happened . Just a few people. We have it rolled. That look. Just a few. Just a, you know just a couple rowdy just some rowdy people. Come on, man. Come on, republicans. Just lying and denying. Lying and denying republicans. Just like the republicans trying to bury The Truth of what happened. Comparing bloodthirsty rioters to tourists calling them peaceful patriots trying to head off the January6th Commission, before its even begun. Like i said, they are trying to throw The Truth of what happened into a big, old memory hole, so they never have to think about it again. Republicans, like Kevin Mccarthy, Mitch Mcconnell, care about saving their political skins. More about that, than they do about the insurrection that could have killed them. Thank you, ellie, for doing that, by the way. Look. If you cant get republicans to cooperate on this, when they, themselves, were targeted by bloodthirsty rioters. When they could have died, that day. Then, they you know, look. When they saw the gallows. When they heard the trumpsupporting rioters chanting about the Vice President , hang Mike Pence. Hang Mike Pence hang Mike Pence if you didnt get them to work with you on this, why did president biden think that he can get cooperation on infrastructure . Or anything . The president signing the antiasian Hate Crimes bill, today. A bill, 62 house republicans opposed. Seriously. Seriously. An antihate bill, they opposed. If you wont stand against Hate Crimes, how are you going to get them to cooperate on anything, at all . I believe, with every fiber in my being, that there are simple, core values and beliefs that should bring us together america as americans. One of them is standing together against hate. Against racism. The ugly poison that has long haunted and plagued our nation. Today, i can say that, because of all of you, many of you sitting right in front of me. Youve taken that first step. Its an important step. I cant wait to hear and i know you can, too. One of the congresswomen who introduced the bill a little bit later on in the show. Also in, a moment, i am going to speak to the mother of Ronald Greene. Ronald greene was killed during an encounter with Louisiana State troopers. That was two years ago. Aw saw the story. It was first on cnn on don lemon tonight. That was Last Night. And i want you all to see what happened to him on police bodycam video. Only, being made public, now. And i have a warning for you, again, it is difficult to watch. Tonight, cnns ryan young. Reporter the video seen by the public, for the first time, in abouttwo years since the deadly encounter between Ronald Greene and Louisiana State police officers. After a highspeed chase led to a deadly confrontation, just outside the city Of Monroe in may of 2019. Greenes family says the police, initially, told them the 49yearold died in a car crash. State police said he was taken into custody, after resisting arrest. Greene became unresponsive, shortly after. And died on his way to the hospital. But, new video reveals a more disturbing confrontation. And bodycam video, obtained by The Associated Press, troopers can be seen repeatedly punching greene, after appearing to drag him out of his vehicle. Taser, taser, taser. Reporter troopers tase greene multiple times while he is Face Down on the ground, as they attempt to handcuff him. Another trooper appears to kick greene. The associated press released three segments of the original video, which it says is 46minutes long. Only two of the Video Clips have audio. Cnn has never reviewed, or obtained, the original video, and its unclear what occurred before or in between the Video Clips. The 2019 Statepolice Report says, officers attempted to pull greene over for unspecifiedtraffic violation. Greenes mother says, two Investigator Officers wouldnt tell her why Law Enforcement was chasing greene. Hardin says a lack of transparency, on behalf of authorities, has been painful. I am so pissed but im a good pissed because we are going to get results. Reporter The Associated Press reports no time on the video can troopers be seen trying to render medical aid to greene. And according to The Associated Press, was Face Down, and moaning for morethannine minutes. [ bleep ] you better not move. Reporter two of the officers continue to be employed by the department. Both were reprimanded for their actions that night. One faced a 50hour Suspension for manipulating their bodycamera equipment. The other, placed on administrative leave for an unrelated incident. A third officer died in a Singlecar Crash Accident last year. For now, Greenes Mother continues to fight for her son. They beat him. With the purpose of letting him just die. Don, the family is saying, again, they are happy this video was released to the ap. This video was leaked by the way. There is still 46 minutes of video we havent seen, just yet. And we havent had a chance to talk to investigators or anyone who is involved in the Lawenforcement Arm to ask them specific questions about this case. Don, you and i have covered so many cases like this. Seems like almostevery month. But this stands out. And one of the reasons why is the conversation is always about transparency. If you think about it, we are talking about two years, now, after the date of this. Its very hard for the family to bear and theres so many questions that need to be answered. Especially, when it comes to whats going to happen to these officers, in the future. Don. Right on. Ryan, thank you very much. I appreciate that. We have got a lot more to come, on all of this. Next, i am going to speak with Ronald Greenes mother. Mona hardin. And the familys attorney. Live. Hooh. That Spin Class was brutal. Well you can try using the buicks massaging seat. Oohh yeah, thats nice. Can i use Apple Carplay to put some music on . Sure, its wireless. Pick something we all like. Ok. Hold on. Whats your buicks wifi password . buickenvision2021. oh, you should pick something stronger. Thats really predictable. Thats a really tight spot. Dont worry. I used to hate parallel parking. [all together] me too. Hey. You really outdid yourself. Yes, we did. The Allnew Buick envision. An suv built around you. 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Tell us what youre feeling. It is. It is. The last couple days, im pretty proud of myself. I thought id go into just oblivion with my thoughts. But my son is here with me. And im feeling really saddened. Really but im so glad that other folks out there are able to see this. Yeah. When did you realize what the police were telling you about your Sons Death didnt really match up to what really happened . It was within the well, we first heard the news, two or three days after we got there. And at that time, they told us that ronnie was in a highspeed chase. Car crashed to a tree and he went through the windshield. Died of head injuries. But, right before then, we found out that, through the coroner, we learned at the time, she told us that ronnie was being taken out of state for his autopsy. And it was right then and there, that We Saw that it was going to be, basically, a catandmouse game. They were running us all over the place, and there was nothing i could do to stop him from being taken for for his autopsy. You knew, then, that something wasnt right. Lee, i want to bring you in here, but just because again, a legal matter. She says, you know, that she was told gone through the windshield. I mean, thats not whats portrayed on the tape but i have to be clear. The ap obtained, associated press obtained this bodycam video. Was not released by police. But you you have been shown, i understand, what happened before. The entire video. What else is on that tape, that we dont see, lee . Well, pieces of evidence have been leaking out, probably for the lasttwo years. It took us almost a year and a half to see the video for the first time. Only after a Video Audio Recording of one of the troopers bragging about beating ron to death was leaked out by someone within the Louisiana State troopers office, since then. On that video, you hear ron, as you hear in the video, him begging. But what you dont see is the pepper spray. Them washing the blood from their hands using bottles of water. And them, literally, bragging and smiling about what they were doing while while he was still there, writhing in pain. Was were they actually told, you know, initially, told that he had gone through the windshield and died of a Head Injury . Thats what the family was, ini initially, told. That he had died from a Headon Collision with a tree and and because of brain damage, as a result of the collision. Wow. Miss ms. Hardin, The Associated Press reports that, at no time, can troopers be seen rendering anymedical aid while your son was Face Down moaning for morethannine minutes. Do you think those officers saw your son as a Human Being . Oh, no. You could see that they cared less. That was the most horrific part to see what was done to ronnie. What they did to him and they allowed him to just, slowly, die on the spot. Behind all that they did to him. And just continued on to walk around him, in spite of him taking his last breaths. That was hard to watch. Its hard to watch. But the last two years, for you, whats that been like . We weve weve not processed any of this. Because of the fact that i havent processed that my son is what happened to him. None of this is really if theres even such a way of properly processing. But what i can say is the fact that were moving forward with this. What needs to be done all the officers names. Needs to go to jail. They just need to pay whatever price it is, the highest. Because what i saw done to my son was murder. What do you have because there are we have seen We Saw the Floyd Family go through this. Breonna taylors family. And many, other families go through through this. What do you say, to america, about the pain or the experience of having to to live through, to suffer through, something like this . What i say to america is, we were once a family on the outside, looking in. And its unbelievable. The the darkness that you walk through trying to shuffle through and try to make someone listen to you. Its its so painful. Its its unbelievable. When you become a statistic, yourself, you just start living your life totally different. The life you knew before, no longer exists. You youve watched you have watched the videos that are that have been released, right . Yes. Do you intend to watch the entire video, if its released . Can you . At this time, ive not been able to. I i saw last years. And upon my approval, i decided not to see all of it. Because of how horrendous it is. Upon the release of this, the other day, i had to break away from it. I i i have to stay focused. The anger that i have. The anxiety. Its gripping. And i dont want to go through that. I have to stay focused because what these guys did to my son and the coverup that pursued and ensued behind all that. Its someone has to stay focused and my family will. What they did to ronnie, they have to pay the penalties. You are a strong mom. Youre a strong mama. Lee, speaking of that video. Do you know when the rest of it will be released . Or if itll be released . The Louisiana State troopers responded to the release of the video by complaining that that the release the leak would somehow interfere with their investigation. The administration administrative process is already complete. One officer received a 50hour Suspension. Another officer was terminated and died the same day he was terminated. Seems that their investigation, if there was any, legitimate investigation, in the first place, is complete. So, it doesnt appear that they have any, Real Intent to release that video. However, because there is an ongoingfederal investigation, and we expect that case to go to a grand jury, soon. We are looking forward to indictments being forthcoming. And hopefully, all of this coming to light. Its, certainly, a part of of our Discovery File in our federal civil rights claim. Yeah. You mentioned the officer, after the the the fatal incident, an officer was involved one of the officers involved said police told them he died well, he died, i should say, in a crash when he the day he was fired. He died in an auto crash, himself. I see you wanting to jump in, ms. Hardin. What do you want to say about your son . Because i know ronald had battled cancer for two years. Had recently entered remission, before his death. What do you want people to know about your son . Yeah. He did that proudly. I am going to miss his valor. His his his undeniable we got this. One of his favorite sayings is we are winning. And even times, when me and him had momandson discussions. And i was pretty down. He says, ma, he says youre not looking at it the way you should look at it. I will miss that. I will miss that about him. We had really good conversations. We always laughed. We always it was good times. And he he was taken from us, way too soon. What do you say to the police . Shame on you. Shame on all of you. For the fact that the corruption and and that you are allowed to continue to hide. And just the fact that, when we were there, we were lied to, in our faces. And they allowed us to continue to go our ways knowing that nothing was going to be done. That deceit. We already know what the State Troopers done. But on all those above them, thats thats really painful. The the these are people who hold high office. And its its degrading. Its shame on the state of louisiana. These are the people you are proud of to hold office . Yeah. Ms. Hardin, thank you, so much. I admire your strength. And again, im so sorry for what happened. We appreciate you coming on. And, of course, lee, thank you, as well. We will keep updated on this. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much. It is looking bleak for the January6th Commission as republicans do whatever they can to stop it from happening. Its all over fealty to one man. sustenance for Mountaineering Expeditions and long journeys across the world but most importantly . They give us something to eat when we drink beer. Planters. A nut above. They give us something to eat its coming back to you now. Real pants. Find amex offers to save on the brands you love. One of the many things you can expect when youre with amex. As your business changes, the United States Postal Service is changing with it. With ecommerce that runs at the speed of now. Next Day And Twoday shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. Its a whole New World out there. Lets not keep it waiting. Which shows will you be getting into tonight . How bout all of them. Onetflix. Cause Xfinity gets you really into your shows. When one burns for someone who does not feel the same. Daphne, lets switch. From live tv to sports on the go. Felix at the finish you can even watch your dvr from anywhere. Okay, thats just showing off. You get all of this on x1. So go on, get really into your shows. You need a breath mint. Xfinity. Its a way better way to watch. New, tonight. More and more gop senators making clear to cnn that they will vote to prevent debate from even starting on the Senate Floor over the January6th Commission. Are republicans afraid of finding out The Truth . Sure, seems like it. Lets discuss now. Matthew dowd is here. He is the former Chief Strategist for president george w. Bush. Matthew, thank you. Good to see you, again. So, look. You, too, don. Seems like Mitch Mcconnell and the republicans, like they are going to do whatever it takes to keep bad facts from coming out. They dont care if they look like hypocrites. They dont care about democracy. What do they care about . Their own, political power in the in the course of this. I mean, thats fundamentally what weve seen for the last four or five years, out of the republican party and most the people in the republican party. Theres not a like theres not a Servant Leader among them. There is not a singleServant Leader that i can see among the crop of leadership in the republican party today. It is all about retaining or getting political power. And its not in service i mean, its okay to pursue political power, as many politicians and candidates do. But its, usually, in service of a greater purpose or a greater cause. There is Nogreater Cause or greater purpose. The former guy is bashing the 35house republicans, who voted for that commission. Calling them weak and threatening consequences. Bottom line is that republicans what what do they fear the most here . Well, you know, its fascinating. I think, sometimes, i mean, obviously, Donald Trump is basically, in my mind, a placeholder for what he represents. The republican party is wholesale, now, that Donald Trump brand, The Party that doesnt believe in truth. I mean, i saw a poll, the other day. Tells you what the republican party has become. And its not fully about Donald Trump. Donald trumps positive rating among republican voters is 82 positive, 16 negative. And it didnt drop, at all, after January 6th. Liz cheneys favorability rating, among republican voters, is 13 positive, 59 negative. Think about that. Uhhuh. And so, the idea that people, like Mitt Romney and Adam Kinzinger and liz cheney, somehow, think there is a part of the republican party that they can represent, and they can fight through it, is just gone. Its it has become The Party of antitruth, antifacts, antiscience. Antisort of what we consider democratic institutions and i think what they are is they are afraid of what their what their own base has become. They caused it to become that because they have lied to their base for so many years and allowed it to happen. But now, they are dealing with the monster they created. Was so, the republican party was was about smaller government. Lower taxes. Long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fiscal responsibility. Controlling the debt and deficit. But, none of that happened, over the lastfive years. Its, all, been sort of owning not sort of owning the libs and not really about any sort of policy, at all. What happened . It you know, don, its become a Culturalgrievance Party and thats all it is. Its a Culturalgrievance Party, really inhabited by a large amount of white supremacists and people that believe that the changing nature of the demographics of the country is a bad thing. And they dont fundamentally, in my view, they dont fundamentally believe that all men and women are created equal. And so, as the country has changed, the republican party became more and more and more akin to the knownothing party in the mid1800s and thats what they have become because they dont like the change. They dont like africanamericans in power or latinos in power. Or asians in power. Or women in power. All of those things, have caused a great fear among them, and understandably because they are going to lose a place their their valued place in society that theyve always held. And theyre going to have to share that place with a whole group of other people, that dont look like them. That, to me, is whats at the fundamental nature of this. Donald trump was the first to recognize that. That, that was brewing and that was growing in The Party. And which is why when he came down that escalator, republican party people in the republican party responded to him. The voters did. He recognized that, first. He didnt cause it. He recognized it. Its interesting, that you said what you said because, look. Listen. I can speak for me. And i also see it with other with other people as well but let me just speak for me. Anytime there is criticism, i find, of myself, when i do run across it sometimes. Its usually just steeped in homophobia. And so much homophobia and racism, that its laughable, that i dont see how anybody can take it seriously. If if someone wanted to for me to take the criticism that they have of me seriously. Then, why so much homophobia . Why so much racism . Why not, on policy . Why not on just something i said . Debate that, without throwing in the isms and the bigotry and the hatred. Do you understand what i am saying, matthew . No. I i think youre exactly right. And the fascinating thing, to me, is i looked at something, the other day. And so, whitemale, heterosexual christians, are less than 30 of the population in the united states. Whitemale, heterosexual christians are less than 30 . They are almost 25 . Less than 30 . Whitemale heterosexual christians represent 80 of the leadership of our economy, of our politics, and of our media. So, think about that. They represent less than a third of the country. But they represent more than twothirds of whats in leadership. And the fascinating thing is nobodys saying, well, you only get 30 . For some reason, theres a group of people that dont like the idea that theyve moved, from 90 of the Leadership Positions of the country, to 80. And they may move to 75. Thats what it is about. And i think, don, its important to keep in mind. This is something in our history. Ever every time, somebody else tries to exert power that doesnt look like what people think america should look like, we have had this pushback. It happened with the chinese exclusion act. It happened with Immigration Quotas set up in the 1920s. It happened after women got the right to vote. It happened after Gay Marriage was allowed. It happened after civil rights. Every time, theres been a movement for our politics to represent what the country looks like, theres been a pushback, to stop it. Whats different, today, don, is that we have an entirepolitical party that occupies that space. Weve never had that, before. Onepolitical party occupies that space of a pushback against diversity of the country. Matthew dowd, thank you very much, sir. I will see ya soon. Appreciate it. Thanks, don. And speaking of. A claim Journalist Nicole Hanna Jones denied tenure at the university of North Carolina it appears because of her work on the 1619 project. [doorbell rings] [doorbell rings] thank you. Ooo. You gonna eat that at lesliepalooza . What . Whos coming to that . Everyones coming, everybody. You, her, me, all of us. Eh uh, Eh Uh everyones coming, everybody. 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And it looks like its due to her work on The New York Times magazines 1619 project. A groundbreaking work examining the legacy of slavery in america. Which has drawn the wrath of conservatives, some of whom have criticized the project as propaganda. Nikole hannahjones won a Pulitzer Prize for commentary for the 1619 project. She is also the recipient of mcarthur found Addation Genius T and earned a Masters Degree from the university in 2003. Last month, unc announced hannahjones would occupy the Night Chair and race in investigative Journalism Beginning in july. The twoprevious holders of the chair were tenured professors, and it was expected hannahjones would be granted tenure as well. But the University Board of trustees has denied it. Even though, tenure was recommended by the school of journalism. Instead, its offering her a fiveyear contract with an option for review, down the line. Its important to note, the board is controlled by North Carolinas state legislature, which, in turn, is controlled by republicans. And many are unhappy with the 1619 project. Dozens of Faculty Members of the Journal Iz Am school posting an online statement saying they are stunned at the boards decision. The journalism Schools Dean says that, while she is disappointed at the failure to grant tenure. She has No Doubt hannahjones will be a starfaculty member. Well continue to follow. Prince william slamming the bbc. Speaking out in a way we rarely hear from the royals, and it all has to do with an interview of Princess Diana from 1995. It would be cool to ride a horse on the moon. 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Max, i appreciate you joining us on this fascinating story. And Prince William is not holding back and condemning the bbc over this interview with his mother. Prince harry also speaking out. Please tell us what are they saying . Reporter well, this really was a defining interview, wasnt it, for Princess Diana. It gave us an insight into her State Of Mind in that last couple years before she died. So harry and william particularly, i think, as far as im aware, have always been very uncomfortable with this interview and it being out there and constantly replayed. Lets hear what Prince William said today as a result of the findings in this report. It brings indescribable sadness to know that the bbcs failures contributed significantly to her fear, paranoia, and isolation that i remember from those final years with her. But what saddens me most is that if the bbc had properly investigated the complaints and concerns first raised in 1995, my mother would have known that shed been deceived. She was failed not just by a Rogue Reporter but by leaders of the bbc who looked the other way rather than asking the tough questions. And Prince Harry also adding in a separate statement what deeply concerns him is practices like these and even worse are still widespread today and that we havent learned the lessons, he thinks. Max, you know, it has been a quarter of a century since this interview. It was a bombshell when it came out. Tell us more about why why was this so controversial . You said the Royal Family and especially the sons, theyre concerned about this being out there. Theyve been uncomfortable with it. Why was it so controversial . Reporter well, weve never really seen a royal speak like this and, the accusations were huge. She spoke about bulibulimia, an course there was that comment about the affair. Do you think ms. Parker bowle serks was a factor in the breakdown of your marriage . Well, there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded. Reporter so that was always the headline, wasnt it . I mean after that interview, it was so profound really, the effect of it. The queen wrote to charles and diana and approved a divorce. So diana would no longer become queen. This is the future of the British Monarchy Taking Shape in a completely different way as a result of this interview, and it was based on a fundamental deception from Martin Bashir according to this report, that he convinced diana really that she was being undermined by the people around her. And it seems that that is what defined the way she lived in the last two years of her life. I have to say Charles Spencer said one of the most profound things today, which was he saw a direct link between this interview and dianas death. The Bbc Director general today saying its a very dark day for the bbc. Max foster, our Royal Correspondent, thank you very much. Appreciate that. Republicans lining up one after another and pushing The Truth completely aside. 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