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The gop is about to do what former President Trump wants them to do, remove cheney from her leadership position. Her offense is telling the truth and unlike many of her colleagues, refusing to peddle trumps Big Lie that the election was stolen. On the House Floor Last Night, she said that silence is not an option. Every One Of Us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. I will not participate in that. I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the Rule Of Law and joins the former president s crusade to undermine our democracy. By the way, the guy sitting next to brianna there, that was a standin. Well talk to him in just a moment. Cheneys likely replacement, new York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik has been blessed by both Trump And Kevin mccarthy but theres pushback from party conservatives not happy with her more moderate voting record. Lauren fox live on Capitol Hill with what well see today. In just a little under an hour, we are going to see the beginning of this republican Conference Meeting when we expect that Liz Cheney, the number three republican in leadership, will be ousted from that role. Of course, this all coming very quickly over the last several weeks as Rank And File republicans express concern with their leadership about the fact that cheney refused to stop talking about the facts. She thought the former president had led the party astray with the Big Lie. Now we expect that this meeting could move fairly quickly, in part because we expect the outcome is all but certain at this point. But Last Night, on the floor of the house of representatives, you saw cheney really going out, without making any concessions, without express Anything Doubt about the position that she has held over the last several months since january 6th. She went to the floor of the house and with another member only one other Member Present in the chamber, she made it clear that she thinks the former president , Donald Trump, is a problem for the future of the republican party, that she thinks remaining silent is an exchange for her Leadership Role. She was not willing to make any further. And we expect that, again, this meeting is going to move very quickly today in part because leadership has made their decision that cheney is no longer going to be able to be in their leadership team. And we expect that cheney is not going to have any regrets about how that meeting ends today. John . Lauren fox on Capitol Hill, we are watching this very closely. Joining us now, Cnn Anchor and chief Washington Correspondent Jake tapper. His new novel The Devil May Dance available now in bookstores. Get it immediately. Its fantastic. Well talk about it in just a second. Jake, Tom Freedman writes this morning that this vote that were going to see in an hour, this is more than about just republican leadership. He says its about something fundamental. He says if House Republicans follow through on their plan to replace cheney, it will not constitute The End of American Democracy as we know it, but theres a real possibility well look back on may 12th, 2021, as the beginning of The End. That is a dire warning. What do you think of that . I dont think its the beginning of The End of American Democracy, but its a horrible sign because, as youve reminded everybody, Liz Cheney is more conservative than the woman who is going to replace here. Liz cheney voted for the Trump Policy Agenda more reliably than Elise Stefanik did. The only reason shes being purged from leadership is because she wont lie about the election and the insurrection. And id have to go back to 1950 to think of a time where a member of congress stood strong against an indecency and lies coming from her party, and thats Senator Margaret Shea Smith who gave her declaration of conscience against mccarthyism and most of her party, a lot of democrats, too, were pretty quiet and weak about it, and she was ultimately proven correct. I think ultimately thats going to happen with cheney. I just dont know if its going to take two years or 20 before the rest of the republican party understands that shes right about this. There are empirical rights and wrongs in this world. Lying is a wrong. Thats what i wanted to ask you about. Does it take two or 20 years . Weve talked to a lot of republicans who i guess are traditional republicans but now theyre kind of fringe compared to what the party is really about. And they seem to think, okay, redistricting favors republicans. Possible 2022 victory in the midterms. Then this will course correct. We hear this from some republicans and i just wonder if that is really true. If they have a sense of, look, this may be a Chemical Change that you dont just retreat from in four years. I think people i think republicans who are being quiet, who know better and who are just waiting for the party to course correct are being cowardly, and i think that they are doing a disservice to the american people. We know that Mitt Romney is not a liberal. We know that Liz Cheney is not a liberal. I mean, these people are standing up for facts when it comes to the election but theyre in lockstep on republican policy. This doesnt have going to do with policy. It has to do with one mans brittle ego and the fact he cannot understand or comprehend that he lost and lost handily in 2020. And its, you know, it would be a lot easier, and i think you could accept this, and obviously were not like members of congress, it would be a lot easier just to report the news the way a lot of our colleagues on other channels do which is, he says this. She said that and now were moving on, right . But we take a minor risk, were not we dont face voters. We face viewers. And say, no, this is true. Theres such a thing at empirical truth. Taxes, abortion, guns. But facts. This is true. Members of congress are elected to do that and they are taking too many of them are taking the easy way out. And its sad. Jake, what Liz Cheney did Last Night was go even a step further and say there are consequences yeah. To this. Donald trumps lies. There are consequences to that, but there are consequences to your acquiescence and she was speaking to all the republicans not speaking in the chamber. Acquiescence to these lies. You risk stoking more violence. Look, you heard from Elise Farrah earlier today talking about the violent threats she had received. And a lot of people in News Media can identify with that as well. Thats what we were all afraid of from the beginning of trump trying to undermine the election in 2020 to the postelection nonsense. It wasnt about like Joe Bidens feelings. I dont care. But its about the violence that is possible. Remember when gabe sterling, the Election Official in georgia, in early december, was saying stop. Conservative republican standing up for the integrity of the election in georgia. He was saying stop. Someone is going to get killed. Flash forward, january 6th, people got killed. Its not just about people who are standing up for facts and truth getting killed. Its also for people who buy into the lie. Look. The people who believe these lies because their politicians share them with them, they are victims in this, too. They are being misled. And a number of them died during the insurrection as well. I dont know if i dont know if they are always viewed as that as they should be. Which is they are being misled, and its the responsibility of elected officials, especially, they know better, to say something. To say the truth. I do want to ask you about this Twitter Exchange that we saw between republican Congressman Matt Gaetz and between adam kinzinger. Matt gaetz put up tweets that dont age well in referring to one of adam kinzingers old tweets and kinzinger responded, id stay away from aging well tweets. Of course, Kinzinger Alluding here to the federal probe into whether gaetz, among other things, had sex with a minor. Look, i think its fair to say that gaetz walked into that one. Totally. But also the idea that Matt Gaetz is out there, proudly defiant, even though hes under this probe. And any normal world, Matt Gaetz would be in hiding. He should be embarrassed. Theres a federal investigation, and even if hes cleared of any wrongdoing, theres a lot of ethical and moral questions about his behavior. I didnt mean to interrupt but im going to interrupt for a good cause. Please do. Im holding in my hands a book, The Devil May Dance by one jake tapper. Its a wonderful, wonderful book. And i should note you read an early copy and gave me feedback, which i appreciate. I was honored to be given a copy. It was fantastic then. Im sure its even better now. Its this Thriller Set In Hollywood in the 1960s and involves two characters you introduce in the Hellfire Club, your first fictionional book who were two terrific characters in modern literature. But beyond them, you now included Frank Sinatra and the rat pack. So, you know, the chairman of the board. What did this open up for you in terms of your understanding of this era and what do you want The Public to know . I mean, the story was inspired by, and is based on, a Reallife Event which is sinatra and the rat pack, as you know, campaigned their hearts out for jfk in 1960. And Sinatra And Kennedy were close. Sinatra thought when President Kennedy came out to california in 1962, he would stay with him. Sinatra started having all this work done on his compound in Rancho Mirage about two hours outside l. A. A helipad built, rooms, phone lines. But Attorney General Robert Kennedy said im investigating organized crime. Sinatra is friends with a lot of members of organized crime. A lot of mobsters. I dont know that i can have the president stay there. Thats a real story. That actually happened. So what i just did was have Charlie And Margaret kind of get blackmailed by Attorney General kennedy to go out and investigate Frank Sinatra to find out how mobbed up he really was. The stuff in the book Thats Fantasy is fun. The stuff in the book thats real, it blows my mind. We have a Fun Game about the book. First, i want to know, how do you find the time to do this, sir . I feel like it was just a couple of years ago i was reading the Hellfire Club and we had a pandemic, an election, you were rather busy and yet, here we are. I find if you write 15 minutes a day at a minimum is that it, really . By The End of the week you have four or five pages, and it adds up. Also, i have to say, the pandemic was helpful to the writing because, a, i needed to escape the horrible story of the pandemic. B, i didnt have a commute from april to august because i was broadcasting from home so thats an hour and a half freed in my day. And, c, i traveled less in 2020 than any other Election Year in the history of Election Years because we because there was no travel. I did two trips in the entire year. So i did have a little bit more time than normal. All right. Devil may dance word association. Okay. Favorite sinatra song. Oh, that changes every minute but right now, right this minute its summer wind. Dean martin. Dino. Great book by nick tauchus. The 1950s. Eisenhower. The 60s. Change. Writers block. Bourbon. How much . Next book. 1970s. Brianna keilar. Awesome. John berman. Tasty pudding. And yet i am dressed like a man today. Today. Today. Today. I always enjoy these segments with the both of you. Theyre so wonderful. So wonderful p. I havent seen Brianna Keilar in person in like a year and a half. Youve been in my house on my tv. This is awesome to see you in person. Hi, jake. Hi, brianna. Love to see you. Okay. So you have to check this out because it is very good. The devil may dance available now in bookstores. Jake tapper. Thank you for coming on. Congratulations. Thanks, buddy. House republicans are meeting in less than an hour to decide Liz Cheneys fate as party leader. Reaction from a top democrat, next. 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This is what she said overnight on the House Floor. Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. I will not participate in that. I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the Rule Of Law and joins the former president s crusade to undermine our democracy. Joining us now, congressman jim clyburn of south carolina. He serves these Majority Whip in the house. Congressman, i know you dont agree with Liz Cheney on almost anything when it comes to policy. But what does this moment shes about to lose her job for telling the truth. What does this moment mean, not just for republicans, but for the country . Thank you very much for having me this morning. I think its a sad day for us to be witnessing what is happening to what i call an implosion within the republican party. Every time i think about Donald Trump coming down that escalator, i saw him looking down. I see it as an evolution taking place in the republican party. And that is a sad, sad thing to occur. My parents were republicans. They were members of the party of lincoln. They honored that. They honored my decision to be a democrat when i came out of college. But to see this kind of canceling of thought, not culture cancel, but they are canceling thought, independence. I dont understand how anyone that could adhere to the Herd Mentality that seems to be taking over in the republican party. It has devolved into a cult. Let me ask you this. You are a guy who likes to get things done. Not making the perfect the enemy of the good. How does the state of the republican party affect your ability to get things done. Does it make it harder . Does it make it easier . Well, i think its harder when you dont give the other side as being able to differentiate truth from fiction. Yeah. I can see how that makes a negotiation rath ear. Im sorry . I can see how that makes a negotiation more difficult, right . Congressman, can you hear me . 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I do believe, and ive said this A Thousand times, that what is happening with qualified immunity is its being treated as absolute immunity. Thats not what it says. Ive consulted the law on the word and its limited, and it is restricted, and i believe it is what we ought to do. We have to have a discussion about what qualified really means. And all i said was, i dont believe that if the definition that i have is different than the Definition Someone else has, then that ought to be detrimental to the bill. So this whole notion that we ought not make any kind of adjustments to the notion of qualified immunity, i think is something we ought to really take to heart. Congressman, you served as the chairman of the select subcommittee on coronavirus. And you had previously announced an investigation into emergent biosolution. Thats the facility that botched the Johnson Johnson doses back in april. What have you learned from this investigation . We are going to continue that investigation. We now have a joint investigation going on between my select subcommittee and the full Committee Led by carolyn maloney. And were going to really try to get to the root of this. A lot of things seem to be untoward taking place here. We all know they had to throw out 15 Million or so vaccines because it was contaminated. We also know that some of the vac vaccines are now being checked to make sure that they arent contaminated. We also know that the Theres Insider Trading taking place. Mr. Kramer and mr. Del Hen Ry they all made millions in Stock Transactions while they seem to be hiding stuff from The Public. So we want to make sure that no laws were broken. Certainly we dont know that yet until there is an investigation, but thats what were going to do. Next week, or the 19th, i think they will be coming before the subcommittee to answer some questions. Congressman jim clyburn. We appreciate your patience. We appreciate you joining us this morning. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Right now a lot of people may have questions about coronavirus vaccines but be careful where you look for answers. Instagram is still routinely recommending antivaccine accounts to potentially millions of users. This as Parent Company Facebook promised to step up efforts to fight misinformation. Cnns do Nie Osullivan all ove this story. More people than ever now are looking for information about the vaccine, particularly as weve seen its now approved for younger teenagers. But take a look at whats happening when you search for vaccines on instagram. Look at these tweets from jocelyn hook, a great reporter at the Washington Post who pointed this out. Among the top accounts being recommended, moms against vaccines. The other side of vaccines. This is not in some dark corner of the internet, of facebook, of instagram. This is actually what instagram is recommending to millions potentially of its users. And worse again, a second one of jocelyns tweets. What happens when you click into an account and follow one of these antivax accounts. Instagra instagram recommends you follow more antivax accounts. Theyre recommending to users they go follow more antivax accounts. Why does all of this matter . Instagram Last Night when we raised this issue with them, they came back and they tweeted a statement to her and said that these accounts have now been banned and that they shouldnt have been searchable. But even as i sat with John Avlon this morning, theres more accounts back up there. Antivax accounts, even if you type in vaccines this morning. Why does this all matter . Should people be getting their Vaccine Information or misinformation from instagram in the first place . Realistically, thats where many people now go to get information and earlier, just a few months ago, we spoke to a mother in texas who got really pulled down the antivax Rabbit Hole on facebook. Have a listen. The vaccine goes into our child, shell just die. Thats all there is to it. You thought if your daughter took the vaccine, she might die. That she would. Not might, would. I feel like a lot of the antivax moms all found Each Other all at once. I was getting like a Friend Request per minute. We were all just friending Each Other. It was weird. You said your intent was to inspire some parent to stop their child from getting vaccinated. Do you think you did that . Yeah, i know i did. Ive had people tell me that theyre not vaccinating because of my post. How does that make you feel now . Really bad. John, you can see there that, you know, it can start with a simple search on facebook, on instagram and you get pulled into these communities as this woman did. Thankfully shes now come out of it, but it does start with something as simple as a search on instagram. You search for vaccine and you get back antivax content. This is an Issue Instagram has known about for years. All right. DoNie Osullivan, you have to take what they promise with a grain of salt. This is what were still getting. Brianna . Gas prices are rising across the country. And folks are flocking to the pumps to grab gas before the Price Tag soars or fuel runs out. This demand has been sparked by the colonial Pipeline Shutdown after a massive Ransomware Attack. Cnns Nick Valencia is outside of atlanta with more. Nick, what are you seeing . This looks like the definition behind me here of panic buying. It was some time yesterday that residents of atlanta started to realize that their Neighborhood Gas Station was either out of gas or very soon could be out of gas. Here in suburban atlanta, were seeing that manifest into a steady stream of cars at the gas pump. I want to step out of the way so you get a sense. Its deceiving. Were seeing lines, but theres not really a good direction of flow of traffic here. Some pumps are open as you can see, but people just dont realize it so theyre stalling behind the line of cars. We did talk to the Gas Station owner here. People working inside. They say theyre going through about A Thousand gallons of gas per hour. If you do the math, i just did, the car about 14 gallons worth. 71 cars per hour. Theyre only going to get one tank of gas or they have one tank of gas since the colonial pipeline was interrupted. And they are expecting to run out of gas here by 9 00 a. M. So you see a lot of people here as i mentioned, sort of panicked at the idea they may not be able to fill their Gas Tanks in the coming days. Were going to keep an eye on this throughout the morning but this racetrack here is certainly seeing a steady stream of cars. Theyre expecting to run out of gas here in a matter of minutes. Brianna . Nick, we know youll keep an eye on that for us. Nick valencia outside of atlanta. Just in new data showing just how much prices have gone up as the economy reopens. Christine romans has the details. We are talking about fast price growth, inflation, 4. 9 growth for Consumer Prices over the past 12 months on an annualized basis. From month to month, from march to april, 0. 8 increase. You dont see a monthly move like that. And we know what it is. Its energy. Its food prices. Its plane tickets, building materials, chicken. Just about everything you can think of thats been disrupted by the changes in Consumer Behavior and the reopenings coming out of the reopenings coming out of the pandemic. A lot of bottlenecks and shortages that are driving these prices up. So this is a pretty big number here, and when you think back to 2008, what was happening . We were in the midst of a financial crisis. Also trying to come out of a recession there. You saw prices going up. This is what weve been telling you. Prices are going up. The Big Question is how long does it last . Is it temporary as the fed has thought . Or is this the byproduct of a really strong Redhot Economy and the fed will have to go in there and raise Interest Rates to cool it down and that could tamp down the recovery and hurt Main Street before Main Street starts to feel all together. Fastest rise since 2008. You hear people saying, its like the 19 sf70s, runaway inflation. No, that was 11 , 12 , 13 , 15 Consumer Inflation in 1980. Theres reasons these shortages, bottlenecks have caused prices to rise. And you know the story about gas prices. Thats clear here. You have a Pipeline Pirates on top of Opening Demand for the summer. Thats a unique situation there. But even when you take out food and energy, its still a 3 increase in inflation. So that means, youre right. Your dollar, every dollar you have is buying less. Much more inflation than were used to over the last few years. Thank you. Just ahead the Hacking Attack romans was talking about and this crucial american pipeline. 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And with that, their capabilities continue to increase, which means they are getting into larger and larger companies, organizations and obviously what we saw with colonial, the ability to impact our pipelines. So its a major threat and theres a lot of companies being hit by these groups and they are just getting millions and millions of dollars which, thus, they are fullfledged businesses turning into better capabilities in the future. You think of large organizations are all susceptible to this. Small to medium and our critical infrastructure which produces our energy, our Water Treatment facilities. All of these things are in play now when it comes to these types of groups. Tell us how these happen. If you can talk about the Phishing Attacks and these driveby download attacks. Yeah, when you look at how these types of attacks occur, they start very targeted. This is very different than the ransomware we saw five or ten years ago where theyd try targeting 50 companies at a time or 100 companies at a time. These folks have dedicated resources that go and build essentially dossiers on organizations and they start targeting key employees or creating websites that have, you know, code on them that once executed Give Access to those systems. And they are focusing on targeting these individual companies and what happens is that when one person gets hacked, lets say one employee in the Sales Department gets hacked, it opens up the entire Flood Gates because they start moving to different systems, different systems to different systems and maximize the amount of damage. They go after their backups, their finance systems, their hr systems, their manufacturing processes. They go after everything within that organization. And then they steal all that data and then they encrypt that data. You are getting a Double Wammy where all the data is taken by hackers and your entire business and backups are completely gone. Usually the only way you have to recover is paying these ransoms. And to that point, that is what many companies are choosing to do. Do you think the company in this case pays the ransom . We see this all the time. Unfortunately, we dont deal specifically with paying the ransoms. We basically have to make contact with a Third Party that does the negotiations with these ransomware groups. We deal with these Incident Response cases all the time. And darkside from the colonial one, weve had a number of customers hit by this. Their entire organization completely brought to a standstill and they have two decisions. One, rebuild from scratch which can take months, completely destroy their entire business, or pay the ransom which they are paying 3 million, 4 Million or 5 Million to recover and keep their businesses alive and running. Its a really dark situation were in. And these companies need to focus on strengthening their defenses from a cybersecurity perspective. Its coming for everybody. Its not just specific straeg vertical. Its any company, any organization of size and nature. Should be a Wakeup Call so that there isnt an incredibly expensive Wakeup Call for companies. David, thank you for being with us. Absolutely. Thank you. Infrastructure week was a punchline under President Trump. Can Joe Biden actually change that . Well have a Reality Check next. Republicans gathering now to banish Liz Cheney by secret ballot. Shes calling them out publicly. Our live coverage continues. Soon President Biden will hold his first bipartisan meeting to discuss his Infrastructure Plan. This is a meeting that will include democratic leaders and republicans Mitch Mcconnell and Kevin Mccarthy in their first white House Meeting with President Biden. How far will republicans be willing to go here . And is history really any guide . John avlon with a Reality Check. Weve been conditioned to think of Infrastructure Week as a phrase accompanied by sad trombones. But just because it got turned into a punchline during the trump years doesnt mean its not a good idea. Because it could be the last best chance to get something really big done in the name of bipartisanship. Thats Joe Bidens hope as he meets with republicans at the White House. The president s proposing a once in a generation 2 Trillion plan to rebuild our bridges and roads and railways, provide all americans with highspeed broadband. Remove all lead pipes, rebuild water infrastructure, improve americas aging schools, Boost Manufacturing and factories, Build New Housing and more. Now its not surprising that republicans are pushing back, especially on the Price Tag. They also point out that some of what biden is proposing like helping the elderly with Home Health workers isnt traditionally considered infrastructure. Fair enough. Given that their Party Cant quit trump on the Big Lie, maybe theyll be swayed if they remember this. In our politics lead today, they appeared all smiles outside the White House announcing they have reached the broad outlines of a deal with President Trump. Thats right. Trump agreed to a 2 Trillion Infrastructure Plan with democrats just over two years ago. Now, nothing actually happened because trump held the Deal Hostage unless democrats stopped investigating. Yeah, you cant make this stuff up. Then last year, trump proposed a trilliondollar Infrastructure Plan and then uped it back Up To 2 Trillion. Theres a precedent here. The American Society Of Civil Engineers gives u. S. Infrastructure a cminus which is good for jeff, but bad for american bridges. We should be spenting 2. 6 billion. This is a security issue, an economic issue and if youre in the whole government for the people issue, its also really popular. 79 of americans supported repairing or replacing railways, bridges and highways. That includes 78 of republicans. Even incentives for clean and renewable Energy Manufacturing got 66 support, and 47 from republicans. Look, Majority Support doesnt mean much to congressional republicans these days. Heres what mike, a lot of the benefit will be felt in rural areas and socalled red states. In the past some republicans couldnt back Infrastructure Plans unless they were paid for. Fair enough. Trump said we can just borrow the money. Bidens proposing raising the corporate taxerate from 21 to between 25 to 28 , still lower than between bush and obama. Speaking of obama, senate republicans voted down his comparatively modest 60 Billion Infrastructure Plan and then complained that americas crumbling infrastructure was part of obamas legacy. So mindful of not falling for that particular lucy and the Football Routine again, democrats are going to pass this by reconciliation if they have to. That shouldnt be Plan A or plan b. The cost could come down. Maybe something like the 1. 5 trillion trump once backed because, after all, Partisan Posturing on infrastructure will get us nowhere. The recipe for success in addressing Americas Infrastructure needs is through partnership. At least thats what it says on the Congressional Republican Infrastructure Principles page. And thats your Reality Check. We need one today for sure. John avlon, thank you. House republicans are on the verge of voting to oust Liz Cheney from her leadership post. Gop members gathering for that meeting that is now just minutes away. Reaction from someone who knows the perils of publicly standing up for truth, just like Liz Cheney has done. Gillette proglide. 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We cant predict when an emergency will happen. So thats why its important to make a plan with your parents. Here are a few tips to stay safe. Know how to get in touch with your family. Write down Phone Numbers for your parents, siblings and neighbors. Pick a place to meet your family if you are not together and cant go home. Remind your parents to pack an emergency supply kit. Making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. We are just moments away from a critical meeting of House Republicans. The conference will be voting on whether to oust congresswoman Liz Cheney from her Leadership Role and sources say despite it being a secret ballot, the vote against cheney will be pretty overwhelming. Joining me now is rachel vindman. Her Husband Alex Vindman testified during trumps first Impeachment Trial. She is also the host of a new podcast called the suburban Women Problem which debuts today. Its great to see you again. Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much, brianna. Its my pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. A lot of people know you through what happened to your husband with his testimony in the first Impeachment Trial of former President Trump. This is you out on your own with your effort where you are joining up with other women, former republicans, in this podcast. And one of the things you are talking about is sort of this movement away from the republican party as we are seeing it right now. What is your reaction, as you are watching what is expected to be this ousting of Liz Cheney from House Leadership . Im very sad, brianna. I think the republican party is showing us today that they have no space for people of integrity, for women whose message or whose message is truth. Who dont toe the party line. Who are unwilling to go along with the male leadership. And its really sad to me. I believe i told you before that Liz Cheney on the day of alexs testimony, his Closed Door testimony, she did a little press conference. And what she pointed out that, you know, that the statements against my husband, against his service, against his patriotism, how wrong and shameful it was. And i called her office to say thank you on a very scary day for me. It meant a lot that she said that. And i just talked to whoever answered the phone. And a few hours later she personally called me. She didnt have to do that. And it meant so much to me on that day. So when i see losing her and losing her leadership, i feel like the republican party is really losing an important voice, and it makes me very sad. What did she say to you when she called . She just said thank you. That she was sorry that it was happening, that people were questioning his service and his integrity. And she, you know, said it was a horrible thing. And she offered her support and it meant a lot as someone, you know, who has faced a lot of criticism, not anything compared to what she has in the past several months. But she was no stranger to it and certainly her family wasnt. You know, briann sorry, go on. This is what were trying to do with our podcast, with the suburban Women Problem. Is really reach women. Women dont discuss, you know, talking points when were sitting around hanging out with our friends at the Bus Stop or having coffee or, you know, wine after school. We talk about how to make things better for ourselves and for our families. So we dont necessarily talk about, you know, the rise of authoritarianism, but we do talk about how important it is for Everyones Voice to be heard. Which doesnt happen in authoritarianism. So we want our children to have a seat at the table. All of our children. And we want everyone to have an equal shot. So it doesnt matter the words we use. It matters the actions. And thats what this podcast is about. About Sharing Stories and giving people a space to hear stories and tell their stories. And really quickly, before i let you go rachel, this has become the party of trump. You know more than anyone about being chewed up and spit out by that. What is your warning to people and i only have about 25 seconds here, just so you know. My warning is, as it always has been. What happened to us can happen to anyone. Anyone whose loyalty is to the truth. And its very, very simple. And trump, its either loyalty to him, thats what trumpism is. Loyalty to him or loyalty to the truth. And if your loyalty is to the Truth Youll be chewed up, spit out and discarded. Rachel vindman, great to see you. Thanks for being with us. And Cnns Coverage continues right now. Good morning, everyone. So glad youre with us. Im poppy harlow. Im jim sciutto. Breaking this hour, a Flashpoint Moment for the republican party. Right now the Gop Conference is meeting Behind Closed Doors where they are expected to oust congresswoman Liz Cheney from her number three leadership position. Why . Because she told the truth. She refused to tout former President Trumps Big Lie that the election was stolen. The congresswoman gave a defiant speech on the House Floor on tuesday. She vowed not to

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