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But i believe in the what we need to do, in the future, is we are a democratic republic. We need to have integrity in our election system. Im not going to go on the past. You know, were in a posttrump era and they still keep talking about it. Are we, though . Were in a posttrump era. We we have moved forward. I dont think he believes that. A lot to unpack, tonight. Lets start with the Breaking News and the drama unfolding with the houserepublican leadership vote. Our jamie gangel joins us with some new breaking details. Also with us, gloria borger. Jamie, you are learning more about how this vote is expected to go on on wednesday, including how congresswoman liz cheney feels about all of this. What can you tell us . First of all, i think what not a lot of people realize is what does the Conference Chair do . Liz cheney is the Conference Chair. That means she is running the conference, on wednesday morning. Which means, it is very likely, that she could be the one to call the vote to oust herself. Which is, either, awkward, or maybe a badass power play, depending on how you look at it. Im, also, told by by sources close to cheney, that she is not taking this vote personally. She actually sees this, as a vote on her colleagues in the Republican Party. Are they going to vote for the truth . Are they going to vote for rule of law . For democracy . Or are they back to sticking with donald trump . John. Jamie, do you have reporting on on how liz cheney actually feels . If she wants to call the vote . And will this ballot be a Secret Ballot like it was in february . So, i i dont know if if she wants to be the one to call it. But that that really could happen. The votes are normally a voice vote. The yeas and nays. However, if someone asks for a Secret Ballot, and gets five people to second that. It will be a Secret Ballot. We dont know which way its going to go. But considering what weve seen, thus far, i dont think this is going to be on the record. I think it will be a Secret Ballot. So, gloria, there is a little bit of a wrinkle tonight. Cnns manu raju reporting some members of the freedom caucus, that conservative wing, farfar wing, may want to delay the vote on cheneys replacement for Elise Stefanik because they find her to be too moderate. You have been talking to republicans of the house, what are they telling you . First of all, be careful what you wish for. Here, you have a true conservative, liz cheney. You know, given great ratings by allconservative groups. To be replaced, potentially, by stefanik, who was known as a moderate. And now, is running to be the head of the conference, which is the policy group for the Republican Party. But the republicans, im talking to, say thats really not what this is about, of course. This isnt about policy. And they, also, say this isnt about the substance of what she believes about the election. Because a lot of them, privately, will say to you, yeah, you know, she has a point. What they are talking about is, and its so parochial, is how she has embarrassed Kevin Mccarthy. Imagine that. How he was so good to her, and treated her so well and supported her when there was the lastSecret Ballot, which she won by 21. And if you remember the leadership, you ought to go with the flow. You should not make any waves. And i had one person say to me, sometimes your friends are too brave for their own good. You dont have to prove youre right, every time. I mean, he he just wrote that letter, too. Saying as much. But this is basically republicans telling you, gloria, that shes making Kevin Mccarthy feel bad about about about how dare she . The lie. How dare she . Yeah. How dare she cross him . And im emphasizing she there, in case you didnt notice. How dare she cross him . He was so supportive to her. She is outraged and jamie knows this, better than anybody. She is outraged by what she has seen mccarthy do. Flip flopping all over the place. And she has every right to speak her mind, because it is that important. Wasnt clear that Kevin Mccarthys feelings were so badly hurt or that he was so sensitive about this stuff. Jamie, where does this go from here . How do you see this playing out . So, let me just say about Kevin Mccarthy, he is also concerned about looking bad with one person, and thats donald trump. At the end of the day, he is doing Donald Trumps bidding because donald trump cannot stand that liz cheney voted to impeach him. And and has stuck to her guns. I think, where this goes next is, Kevin Mccarthy may win the battle on wednesday. Liz cheney expects the vote to go against her, and has from the very beginning. But liz cheney is in this for the war. She is going to keep campaigning. She feels this is about democracy, about the future, and about making sure that donald trump is not running, in 2024. So, this is liz cheney unleashed, john. This is just the beginning. Is she whipping this at all . I mean, she had, what, 40plus votes against her last time. Does she think she will get 40 votes in her defense, this time . I dont think she has any idea what the vote count is. I am told, she is not whipping it because she feels this is about principle, over politics. So, she is not whipping the vote. She, to the best of my knowledge, does not know how the votes going to go. So, gloria, jamie was talking about the long game. Yeah. That liz cheney is playing here. There is a new video out, released by the Group Accountable gop, which features liz cheney speaking out against the former president. What do you think of liz cheneys long game, here . Do you think this is something that she will carry forward, all the way to 2022 . I mean, where do you see her going with this . Look. If she werent serious about this, john, she wouldnt be doing this because she is putting herself on the sacrificial altar here and saying, look, i believe in something so strongly, that you can use me as an example. And do whatever do whatever you want. This is something, i dont believe, shes going to give up on. I dont believe that others in the Republican Party are going to give up on. For example, mitt romney just came out and supported her, today. We know that Adam Kinzinger is there. Theyre not the majority in the party, right now. We know that. But i do believe that they think democracy is important enough to be speaking the truth about what occurred. No matter what someones feelings might be. Yeah. Gloria borger, jamie gangel. Great to see you both. Thank you so much. I am joined now by delegate Stacey Plaskett who represents the u. S. Virgin islands in congress and was an Impeachment Manager for democrats, earlier this year, when donald trump was impeached for inciting the insurrection. And congressman plaskett, if i had told you when you were an Impeachment Manager on the senate floor, that three months later, the big lie on the election would be so pervasive that republicans would lose their jobs in leadership for not supporting it. What would you have said . Id say, im not surprised. Really . Why . You know, well, i mean, you watched, during the impeachment, that individuals who agreed with us. And even a Kevin Mccarthy, who had a colossal Fallout Argument cursing match with the with the president on the day of the insurrection, on january 6th. Went to the floor to say that he was responsible. And then, several days later, mea culpa, he was following the trail of donald trump. Going to maralago, and asking for forgiveness. If thats what the leadership was doing, right there, several days after the insurrection. And then, on the impeachment floor, you had senators who agreed, privately, that we had, in fact, made our case. But that they would not vote with us. And then, you have mitch mcconnell, basically, summarizing our openingandclosing statements, in agreement with us. And then, saying why he was not going to support it. Of course, this is of no this this is not a surprise. The republicans are following what their message is. They have decided that their message is obstructionism, is a big lie, is divisiveness, is tribalism, is, in some instances, dog whistling. And in some corners of the republican conference, outright white supremacy, antisemitism, and racism. Do you feel as if the big lie on the election is spreading . Do you feel as if more people, more republicans, believe it today . Even than may have believed it in early february . Im not necessarily sure thats the case. I do believe that the Republican Party, itself, those in elected positions, are more concerned about retaining their power than speaking the truth. More concerned about being a part of the gop, than they are about the direction of this country. We have seen this, time and time again. They have, in the instance of President Biden putting forth the americanrescue plan, voted against the rescue plan. And then, each one, in their own district, touting the benefits of it. Well probably see the thing same thing on the americanjobs plan. That they have just become a party of obstruction, of of noism. They are not a party that wants to get to yes. That wants to support the american people. They want to support themselves and their quest for power. You know, republican congressman Adam Kinzinger said of his own party, he said right now its basically the titanic. Were like in the middle of this slow sink. That was the quote there. What does that mean . You know, you can be a democrat who opposes republicans on policy, but still think the twoparty system is important. What does it mean, for american democracy, not the democratic party, but democracy, if the Republican Party is in a slow sink . Well, what it means, and the trouble it is for democracy, is not that particularly a party is being divided over ideology and direction. Which, you know, happens through generations and with through time. But the problem that is happening within the Republican Party is that divisiveness is what is over dmemocracy, itself. Over what makes us america. Are we going to be continue to be a country of laws . A country that has full, Fair Elections . That expands the amount of people that are able to vote . That allows new ideas and innovation to be a part of our country . That tries to uplift the middle class . Or are we going to hold onto our own power whether it means stopping the very things that the founders fought so hard for . That, being elections. That, being the ability of all of us to pursue happiness. And we are seeing that the republicans, that is the fight thats going on within their party. And thats why the demise of the party is troubling, because it is those who are fighting to retain that democracy, it appears to be, on the Minority Side right now. At least within the leadership of that party. Delegate Stacey Plaskett, we do appreciate talking to you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Still to come tonight. Our Breaking News on coronavirus and what the fda did today, that could potentially expand the pfizer vaccinations to millions of americans. And later, a wideranging interview with someone who has been in The Public Eye for decades. First, as an olympicgold med list, then relalitytv show. And now, republican candidate in californias recall election. Dana bash interviews Caitlyn Jenner when 360 continues. Cal weve saved our money, and now we get to spend it our way. 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Walk us through how this works and some of the considerations, right . Will the teenagers receive the same doses of the pfizer vaccine, as adults do . What do the trials show about the vaccine in this age group . Well, first of all, john, i share your excitement and relief, as a parent, myself. I really want our children to be able to experience the benefit of these extraordinary vaccines, the way that we, as adults, do. So in terms of your question, the dose is the same for the 12to15yearold category, as it is for 16yearolds and above. The study, thus far, by pfizer, found that they they had more than 2,200 participants. And they found that there were 18 cases of covid19 during their trial. All18 cases were in the placebo group. That means that nobody who received the vaccine, ended up contracting coronavirus. So, this appears to be 100 efficacious in this 12to15yearold group. Greatsafety profile, as well. And i just know of so many kids in this dcategory, this 12 to 15yearold group, who are so eager to get back to normal and have other aspects of prepandemic normal once they are fully vaccinated. Because these are the kids who were out there doing as many things, or want to be, as many things as they possibly can. So this will really change things. What about younger children, under the age of 12 . The fda actually just made announcement that they are going to be convening their external committee next month, in june, to be looking at recommendations for the 2 to 11yearold group. Now, we dont have data, yet, from this group. So we cant say, for sure. This group is certainly going to be trickier because doses have be to be adjusted. A 12ye2yearold is not going t the same dose as a 16yearold. So they will review safety and efficacy, at that point. But i know i am certainly very excited, as i have a 4yearold, who is not yet able able to be vaccinated. So, dr. Fauci said this weekend, that as more people are vaccinated, he does expect that guidance on indoormask use will change. What are you expecting, or hoping, the cdc will decide on this point . And when . Because, look, you have been kritle critical of the cdc and biden officials. I know you didnt like that. Thats right. I think there are two things cdc can actually do right now. The first is to give very clear guidance about fullyvaccinated people, in formal settings. Right now, they are already saying they can have Dinner Parties together, at home. But why not, also, say, and theaters and workplaces . That, if everybody is fully vaccinated, they can remove masks. You dont need distancing in that environment, if there is proof of vaccination for everyone. The second thing is they really need to give better guidance on what happens, by region. Were not talking about reaching Herd Immunity or reaching a high level of vaccination for the country. At this point, we really need to break it down, by community. And so, we really need to hear what is the level of vaccination for the community . And i think that would give a lot of incentive for individuals to get vaccinated, too. Dr. Leana wen, always a pleasure speaking to you. Thanks so much. Thank you, john. So, the administration, also, dealing with a nationalsecurity incident, tonight. This afternoon, President Biden said he is taking steps to make sure there is not a run on gasoline after a cyberattack forced the shutdown of a majoru. S. Pipeline, that delivers nearly half the gas and diesel consumed on teast coast. The Ransomware Attack could potentially leave the region with widespread shortages, affecting everywhere there is a pump, from gas stations to major airports. Our chief National Security correspondent, jim sciutto, joins us now with the latest. Jim, what are you hearing from your sources . Well, this is really an unprecedented attack, in terms of scale. Otherstate actors, nonstate actors, have tried to access u. S. Infrastructure before. Theyve had some success. State actors have planted weapons, cyberweapons, inside these systems before. But to have an attack like this that actually shuts something down is significant and it shows vulnerabilities. I mean, it may very well be true that the system will be able to recover in time. So you dont have a shortage in the northeast of gasoline and other kinds of fuel. But just the fact that you have an american president saying, im going to do everything i can to prevent a run on fuel shows you, one, the seriousness of this. But also, two, that a significant vulnerability has been exposed here. Now, the company, itself, is also saying theyll have the system up and running by the end of the week. And the company did a lot of things right, here, in terms of responding to this. But the lesson here is about vulnerability. And what more needs to be done to prevent the next one. So, the russian government denies any involvement in the attack. Does the u. S. , all levels of the u. S. Government, buy this denial . And what more are you learning, jim, about this group dark side . So, first of all, ignore everything says. Less than zero credibility on Something Like this. They denied interference until the election before. But the biden administration, itself, is saying we dont have evidence that the russian government is behind this attack. But but but theres theres meaning in those words, right . This is a russian group. It is a criminal group, a hacking group. Its not, say, part of russianmilitary intelligence. That said, it is operating from russia. And ive spoken to to multiple, both, experts but also nationalsecurity officials, who make the point that these groups dont operate in russia, without the knowledge of the russian government. And for an attack on this scale to happen, many believe that they would need the tacet approval of the government, right . Because theres history here. Russia has used hacking groups, before, to carry out attacks on foreign adversaries, including the u. S. So, you know, it may be one thing that this was not ordered by putin and directed through the kremlin. But the fact that it came from russia is significant. Very quickly, what exactly is a Ransomware Attack . And how is that distinctive from a different cyberattack . Listen. Its good that we are talking about this, right . Because these attacks are happening, every day. Every single day. State, city, local governments, private companies, having these attacks every day. Private groups, basically, get into someones network. They say, i can shut this thing down. Or they shut it down. Say, i wont turn it back on, until you pay me money. Until you pay me a ransom. Or steal a bunch of information, and im going to sell this on the dark web until you pay me money. What is little known, john, is a lot of companies are paying these ransoms every day. Its good business. It works. Jim sciutto, its fascinating. Devious but fascinating. Thank you for explaining it like that. Perspective now on the investigation from andrew mccabe, former deputyfbi director and cnn Law Enforcement analyst. So, you know, andy, how does this stack up against some of the worst Cyberwarfare Scenarios that the fbi and other agencies have tried to prepare for . John, this ones going to be right up there. We are going to be talking about this for quite some time. Its its an interesting combination of criminal actors, who appear to be applying their trade simply for profit motive. But they have struck, in a way that really grabbed the attention of a major player in our energy sector. I would i would suspect that they targeted thisparticular player because they knew that, if they grabbed their information, if they were able to shut down their i. T. Systems, there would be so much at stake. I. E. , the continued functioning of the gas pipeline. That the the company, colonial pipeline, would have to respond quickly, and would would likely pay to get access to their system, back. So, im not im not sure that it was a geopoliticalstrategic move, but it was one that kind of had those sorts of implications. So we have really seen the Criminal Realm Run into the the almost the political realm. And, of course, the target here was a private company. Its a private company that controls something all of us use. So it has a very public or universal feel to it. But private companies. What are the vulnerabilities there . Even President Biden talked about this today. Sure. So, its really important for viewers to understand that, in this country, our Critical Infrastructure is owned and operated and maintained and protected by the privatesector entities that own it. These are not government entities. They are private companies. They can, you know, they can employ the greatest and best cyberdefenses, or have none at all. Those are their own decisions. And so, i think thats the exposed vulnerability here. People are realizing that, in many ways, the fate of our lifestyles, of our economy, of all those sorts of thing, sit in the hands of private companies. Who in many cases, have a strong incentive to keep this sort of activity, when theyre hacked, when theyre victimized, very private and not report them at all. In this case, obviously, the company did the right thing. So moments ago, jim sciutto warned us not to take russias word for it. When they say, that they were not involved in the attack. But the biden administration, the president , himself, said that he sees nodirect line, at this point, between russia and dark side, the group carrying it out. But this group is, presumably, based in russia. So thats right. So what does this all mean . Well, a couple things. You can count on the fact that everyintelligence agency in our vast community is looking for that evidence that the president spoke of today. So we dont have evidence, yet, that the russian government was behind this or directing it. But im sure theyre looking for it now. The second thing i would point out is, like the the point that you just made. People should think about this, in terms of piracy. We would never permit another nation to shelter a group of pirates, who would go out and and raid our our ships as they passed and victimize our, you know, our private seafaring vessels. Thats essentially what russia is doing here. They allowed this group to exist in russia, to work in russia. To target enemies of russia. So, it is essentially with the with the kind of a wink and a nod, the russians, im confident, know what this group is up to. The fact that they are giving them shelter is a violation of the of the normalpolitical order that we should be looking for. 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This, as the overall numbers show the battle against the pandemic is gaining more and more traction. Just over 44 of the americanadult population is now fully vaccinated. Even as some days, less people are rolling up their sleeves to get a vaccine. Still, Health Officials in los angeles county, california, said today that they expect to reach Herd Immunity among adults and the oldest teenagers by july. But californias governor, gavin newsom, is facing a recall election, with some voters upset about how he handled the pandemic. Cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash, sat down with one of his highprofile opponents, Caitlyn Jenner, for a discussion about her politics, her campaign, and what she plans to do if elected. Pulling out an Air Compressor to pump her own tires. Not your typicalcelebrity moment. Yet, Caitlyn Jenners life is anything but typical. An olympicgold medal for the decathlon in 1976. An iconic spot on the wheaties box. A realitytv dad in keeping up with the kardashians. A transition to caitlyn, with a vanity fair cover reveal. Now, she is running for governor of california in a race to recall democrat gavin newsom. Jenner invited us to her 12acre Hilltop Ranch in malibu, skband explained why. During covid, it was horrible. I woke up in the morning, like, what do i do today . There is absolutely nothing. You cant even go to the restaurant. You know . Uhhuh. And it just drives me crazy. When i started thinking about this, because i always follow politics. Reporter but her political involvement was limited. She backed donald trump in 2016, but broke from him two years later. Citing harsh lgbtq policies. What kind of training do you have to be governor of california . I have been in the entrepreneurial world. You know, people think if youve been in show biz, they think of you as a reality star. Certainly, i have done that but entertainment is a business, and you have to run that business. But ive also done other things. You know, we sold A Billion Dollars worth of Exercise Equipment on television. Had aviation companies. Ive just always been involved being an entrepreneur. And tried to inspire my children to do the same thing. And theyve done very well, in that department. And all those life experiences, about and probably the most important thing is being a leader. Reporter this state, this is the fifthlargest economy in the world. Yes. You feel qualified to take that on . Yes, because im going to surround myself with some really great people. I had some meetings, this week, on budget with budget people. Who i just so impressed. Can you share who you met with . No, well just leave it as budget people. And well leave it there. I dont want to expose anybody. Ive had meetings on regulations. With the hoover institution. And this one guy, lee, was just, like, the best. So smart. Been working on regulations, in this state, for the lastten years. Had solutions. I said, oh, my god, youre like my new, best friend. Okay . I learned so much from him, in such a short amount of time. But its people like that, that i feel like i have the ability to attract to sacramento. That can make a difference. Reporter jenner is trying to appeal to californians, who feel overburdened by government regulation, and overtaxed. I would freeze taxes. I would freeze regulations. No more regulations, no more taxes. Everybody, take a big, deep breath, and lets see what we can do. Nomore regulations . I didnt say no more. No more nonew regulations. A freeze on the regulations that are in place. You said a freeze on taxes. You mean, a freeze on new taxes . New taxes. Yes. But i dont think governor newsom. He hasnt put any new taxes in place, in years. Yeah, but we still need to freeze. Elon musk just left california. Yeah. Moved to texas, where there is no stateincome tax. Right. But do you think that a billionaire, like him, should be taxed . I think all californians dont mind a tax. But they also want it to be fair. Okay . I dont think elon musk worries about a 5 tax on something. Its when you start looking at the tax rates in california. How we are taxed. You walk out the door, and youre going to start being taxed. I want to ask a little bit about national politics. Uhoh. Okay. Remember, im running for california. I know. I know. This is not a National Position. It is not a National Position but you are a national figure. And youre and youre running, you know, to be a different kind of republican. So lets talk about that. The former president still claims that the 2020 elections were stolen from him. Uhhuh. So, let me ask you, do you believe President Biden was dually elected . He is our president. I respect that. I realize, there was theres a lot of frustration over that election. You know what . Im frustrated over what what happened back then. But what have i done . Okay. As a citizen. Im frustrated. And i said, you know what . I want to do something about it. The thentrump campaign went to court. They filed scores and scores of lawsuits. There was no evidence that there was anything fraudulent. Do you are you comfortable with that . Do you believe that the election was stolen . No. I i believe in the system. But i believe in the what we need to do, in the future, is we are a democratic republic. We need to have integrity in our election system. Im not going to go on the past, you know. Were in a posttrump era and they still keep talking about it. Are we, though . Were in a posttrump era. I dont think he believes that. We have moved forward. The reason i am asking you about this because you are a republican. And there is a well, kind of. Kind of on the republican side. But yes. Are you not a republican . No, i i i i hate to use we label everybody. Okay . I dont like labels. You know . Im me. Okay, and this is how i deal just because i have conservativeeconomic philosophy. That thats the only thing that the republicans are kind of on, that im on. But i dont know. Maybe, you call me a libertarian. Maybe, call me in the middle. I really dont know because when it comes to social issues, im much more progressive. Much more liberal. Reporter california has long been a leader on combatting the climate crisis. For years, governors, in both parties, signed on to aggressive policies to reduce greenhouse gases. California established an ambitious goal of relying, entirely, on zeroemission Energy Sources for electricity by 2045. Would you keep that in place . Probably not. I would let the free market determine, at what point. I dont think its government going to come up and say that by 2045, we have to have zero emissions. Technology is what we need to follow. There is a lot of smart people out there, trying to get make a zero emissions. And as that technology improves, we will go less and less. I was in i would go 30 years ago, drive into santa monica. You couldnt even see the mountains in pasadena. Every day, on through the 70s and 80s. Every day, on the news, they would have the smog alert. This is what the smog is. They dont even have those, anymore. You can go to santa monica and you can see the mountains, all the time. Isnt that because of the aggressive laws here . We are doing a good job. So you would keep those in place . Or you would you would change it . Keep . Meaning the laws that have been in place here, which are really aggressive. Uhhuh. In favor of the environment. Against fossil fuels. Probably, helped to allow you to see in santa monica like you are talking about. Yes. I would keep things in place, but im not fossil fuel will, eventually, leave. Okay . We are going to have other forms, in the next50 years, okay. May not even be talking about this. We will have anotherenergy source. But for the time being, fossil fuels are around. Yeah. You got to have it. Reporter in an atv ride around her property, Jenner Points Out damage from devastatingmalibu fires, more than two years ago, that almost engulfed her house. And shows us an empty barn. For the last couple of years, ive had friends, that have had Rescue Horses that needed places for them to stay. And this place is so great for that. Kendall and kylie have horses, and i thought, well, maybe, theyd want to bring them over here. They dohavent done that. Kendall and kylie jenner, two of her ten children. Most are realitytv famous, including fourkardashian step children. Are any of your children going to campaign with you . Heres the deal on them. Thank you for asking the question. Yeah. My kids are not involved, whatsoever, with this. How come . No, im total i no, honestly, i told them at the start. And i love my kids. The kids love me and i have a great relationship. But i told them, right at the start. I said, guys, because they were scared. One, for my safety. And scared of what the medias going to do. You know . My family has, certainly, you know, been out in the media. And they have taken their shots. And they dont need to take any more. And i said dont even i said, i am not going to ask you for one tweet. Im not going to ask you for one thing. You guys, go live your life. This is my deal. This is my decision to do this. And tell im going to tell the media, stay away. Dont ask em. And i told them, just no comment. Kim kardashian, your stepdaughter. Shes pretty involved in policy issues, criminaljustice reform. I love kim and i think shes doing a great job with the criminaljustice system. Uhhuh. And if i when i become governor, i would i would follow her guidance in that because she has been very, very good on that. And the Rehabilitation Side of it. But i dont have her involved in the campaign, at all, whatsoever. I cant say weve never discussed it. But shes great. I love kimberly. Shes smart, great businesswoman. And very dedicated, you know, to the doing a better job when it comes to criminal justice. And she would have my ear. I can tell you that. When im up in sacramento. Reporter to get to sacramento, californians first need to know her positions. Back up at her house, we talked about more. Okay. Immigration. Immigration. Californias labor force includes 1. 75 million undocumented immigrants. Should they have a path to citizenship . I would hope so. I am for legal immigration. Okay . Whats been happening on the border was, honestly, one of the reasons i decided to run for governor. I was watching people dying, coming across the river. Kids in cages, whatever you want to call them. They should have a chance at citizenship . Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, they should. To be personally, i mean, theres a lot of people. But personally, i have met some of the most wonderful people who are immigrants. Who have come to this country. And they are just model citizens. They are just great people. And i would fight for them to be, you know, u. S. Citizens. I think would be the greatest day of their life. Actually, you know, a little trivia here. Back, 15 years ago, they would have, when the signing in of the immigrants, they would show a video of america. And it would end with me, a picture, at the finish line with the American Flag up there. Reporter that image, when jenner won the gold. Beating back the soviet union in the height of the cold war. Yes, you can take it and open it up. That is an olympicgold medal. You can take it out. Yeah. Yeah. And its been in that box, ever since. I very rarely ever take it out. Should i take it out . Yeah, sure. Reporter it is jenners fame as an olympian and now as a transgender woman that make her position noteworthy when it comes to moves by largelyrepublicanled states, to push legislation banning trans girls in sports. You didnt make your your move to become a woman, until you were 65 years old. Right. But had you done it when you were younger, you might not have become the most, you know, famous athlete in the world, at the time, in 1976. Had you not been able to compete. Had you transitioned younger. So, does that make you think about trans girls and sports a little bit differently when you think about your own experience . Well, i i i look at it in a couple ways and i will try to do this very briefly. I cant imagine, if i would have decided, back in 76, that ive always been trans. Nobody knew it. Little caitlyn lived down deep inside of me. Nobody knew it. But then, the last minute, id say, you know what . Maybe, i shouldnt run a decathlon. I should run the heptathlon. Would that be fair . Absolutely not, it would never have been fair for me to do that. Okay . And so, this is a very complicated. But the most important thing, for me, is we protect womens sports. We can work the other issues out. For trans women to compete in sports who are truly trans, who grew up trans, and have been trans all their life. Thats different . Its 100 difference. And so, yeah, but as far as protecting womens sports, im about protecting women sports. Yeah. And i and that means my statement was i dont want biological boys, you know, playing in girls sports. Reporter republicans say they are pushing to recall governor newsom, a vote likely to happen this fall. In part, because he was too aggressive in shutting down california because of covid19, and hypocritical. Going to the fivestar French Laundry restaurant as cases of the virus were rising. What would you have done differently, if you were governor when the pandemic hit . You know what . I dont blame any governor or or the federal government, at the start, for what happened. I think it was a right decision to make, back in march of 2020. To just close the country down. Lets stop. Hold it. Lets see what we got here. As time went on, i dont think anybody realized how difficult it would be to open. So, you would have opened things earlier . I i would have definitely done my best to open up, as quick as possible. See, what i dont like about the this whole covid and opening back up is the hypocrisy that has been going on. I cant you know, my restaurant that i like, down the street, is closed. And its not me getting a meal. But its all the employees down there are out of work. Reporter economic despair, is one of the factors driving a hugehomeless crisis in california. Tent cities, everywhere. Just over oneinfour Homeless Americans lives in this state. Jenner visited a Salvation Army shelter in east l. A. , that is working on the problem wholistically. We got to step up. Reporter from mentalhealth assistance, to longterm housing. So, how does governor jenner build moreaffordable housing . The biggest problem is you have to change regulations. You have to build a coalition between government and private industry. So, what regulations do you think need to be changed to do that . C club, which is actually, started in 1970, the California Environmental quality act, by ronald reagan. And it was great legislation. To help with the environment. But over the last50 years, regulations have gone on top. Regulations gone on top. Its like an excuse for environmentalists to get their point across. I am all for the environment. Im 100 for the environment. But we cannot destroy our state. Okay . So build more on environmentally protected land . Work with first of all, as far as regulations, i would freeze everything, take a look at it. Some of these regulations have been on the books since before i mean honestly the facts machine. How would you address the very Big Mental Health problems that contributing to homelessness . Mental health is tough actually. I thought for the longest time i was dealing with Mental Health issues, but ive been able to solve that. Everybody has things that they have to go through. You have to have a fair and equitable way to be able to help them. Mental Health Issues are something that we would work on. We would try to provide programs, work with local organizations. Theres only so much sacramento can do. This is always good to come down and see you guys. Caitlyn jenner, a newcomer to politics who has a lot to learn in what she calls the last chapter of her unlikely life. And dana bash joins me now. Dana, there is so much in this. I mean a really fascinating interview. Yes, there were some headlines with jenner being wishywashy on if biden won the election fairly and saying were in a posttrump era which im sure donald trump doesnt want to hear. But to me the overarching question that i have is if Caitlyn Jenner, who is making a serious run, i think, for governor of california, has spent time on her own policies, a grasp of where she really is on the issues. How seriously is she taking that . Well, the answer is, and i think it was pretty clear, shes working on it. You know, i was trying to find out who she was surrounding herself with on the policy side. We know on the political side, but on the policy side she mentioned lee, her new best friend at the hoover institution. But beyond that she didnt give a lot on those issues. Big picture she says that she is and always has been fiscally conservative, but more socially liberal. But on the details, like on the environment as you heard and on taxes, for example, its a work in progress. I think thats a fair thing to say. Immigration . Immigration is another example. She talked about i asked about a path to citizenship. She said, yes, she is for that because she believes that people who are undocumented in america and, you know, contributing to society should have a right to stay, but her on her twitter feed they were trying to kid kind of explain it and give the nuance that we know from covering Immigration Politics for decades that are hard to square, especially if youre a republican. Dana bash, thank you so much for your reporting. Much more tomorrow morning. Ill be back with you in the morning, john. Up next, there were nine Mass Shootings across america this weekend. Nine. There was also gunfire in times square in the heart of New York City. The details on all of it when we continue. Still in bed . Yep bye thats why we love skechers max cushioning footwear. Theyve maxed out the cushion for extreme comfort. Its like walking on clouds big, comfy ones oh yeah hi guys check out this side right here. Whatd you do . Tell me know you did it. Yeah. Get a little closer. Thats insane. 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Rely on the experts at 1800petmeds for the same medications as the vet, but for less with fast free shipping. Visit petmeds. Com today. It was another brutal weekend across the country with more shootings from New York City to california, arizona and colorado. According to figures compiled by the gun violence archive, at least 117 people were killed and more than 300 wounded by gunfire in the past 72 hours. Cnns Miguel Marquez with a look at what happened and the deadly results. Reporter Panic And Chaos in times square. The heart of New York City. Shots rang out, three of them. I think everybody just kind of stopped and was in shock. Reporter on saturday, a gun was pulled as several men fought. Bystanders, two women and a 4yearold girl were hit by gunfire. An nypd officer seen running with the child calmed her mother in the ambulance. She obviously was in a panic. She just saw her little baby get shot, so i was just trying to calm her down and trying to get her to breathe with me. Reporter all are expected to survive. The New York City shooting happening on a weekend that saw at least nine, nine Mass Shootings, meaning four or more victims dead or injured nationwide. In all, at least 15 people died, another 30 injured since friday as a result of Mass Shootings. In just one weekend, three Mass Shootings in california, one each in arizona, new jersey, maryland, wisconsin and missouri. And in colorado, six shot and killed at a birthday party. At this point in time, we believe that the individual, the suspect responsible for the shooting, was also on scene and also deceased. Reporter investigators say the shooter, who took his own life, was the boyfriend of one of the women at the party. Just under two months ago, ten people were killed at a supermarket in boulder, colorado, by a Gunman Wielding a militarystyle Semiautomatic Rifle and handgun. On friday evening it was a st. Louis county, missouri, park. A neighborhood celebration. Then a truck pulled up and someone in it started firing. Two dead, three injured. It was all peaceful and beautiful. The next thing you know, fire gunfire just erupted. Reporter in maryland, it was the suburbs of baltimore. Three dead, one injured after a gun and knifewielding man set his own home on fire, then shot and stabbed his neighbors. In phoenix, arizona, one man is dead, at least seven more injured after a fight at a hotel. In milwaukee, wisconsin, and newark, new jersey, four people were injured in each city after a shooting broke out in public on the street. And in california, three shootings in los angeles. One was killed, five more injured. Four were injured outside a nightclub near sacramento. On the same night two young men were killed, two others injured in compton. Miguel marquez, cnn, new york. Just awful. The news continues so lets hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. John, thank you very much, appreciate it. I am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. 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