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Trying to stuff the January 6 riot right down the memory hole. But how does Memory Work exactly. A leading expert will tell us what to remember coming up. And later reporters in two tribune newspapers are trying to find buyers for their publications and well talk about why and what is going on in a few minutes. And here for the first interview about the new book about Jeff Bezos and amazon. But first is the Usa Suffering from a bad case of foxitis . And is it hurting Americas Pandemic Recovery . That word, foxitis, it was coined by a lawyer defending one of the suspects in the protrump riot. It is that Fox News made me do it. Fox mania the lawyer said. He said his clients lost his Job Due to the pandemic and then watched fox constantly for next six months. He believed what was being fed to him. Indeed many fox viewers came awe with a distinct impression that President Trump was robbed, that the election was rigged. But that is just one of the symptoms of foxitis. Other possible symptoms are fear of the unknown. Fear of a diversifying america, anger about cancel culture but only when conservatives are affected. Believe in News Outlets and others are radical villains, perhaps one of the symptoms is theable to forget what youve seen with your own eyes. Fox mania leaves folks prone to Conspiracy Thinking and maybe there needs to be a warning label. This whole foxitis is a punch line, all over Social Media with people saying the Covid Vaccine has made them immune to foxitis and that right there, the Vaccine Rollout, that is why Fox Mania matters. That is where it matters toast right now. While the covid picture is thankfully improving across the country, Public Health officials say many more americans still need to get the shot to keep case counts low and protect everyone. America is clearly hitting the Vaccine Wall now and polls though that resistance comes from republicans. Those Who View Fox as their trusted source. I want to be fair and balanced here. Some fox shows and stars have been responsible. Theyve been using their platforms for good. Theyve been sharing their own vaccination experiences. But murdoch worlds most popular shows, have popularized some dark, disturbing damaging narratives about covid. First downplaying the virus last year, minimizing the risk and now by sowing confusion. When ive tuned in ive heard complains about triple masking and were well past Herd Immunity even though experts say the opposite. On fox ive heard people are being forced to take the vaccine. Which is clearly false and worst of all ive heard Tucker Carlson repeatedly say that many americans are dying after getting the shot. And he said it with the implication that the shots are to blame with no evidence at all, hes scaring his audience so recklessly that even some of his own colleagues called him out for it on twitter. Carlson acts like he knows some secret truth covered up by some shadowy enterprise. Maybe you should be writing some Yunk Movie of the week for netflix or write Horror Novels for a living because hes clearly not responsible enough to have a show that purports or pretends to be news. Just listen to this. Listen to how he talks about Life Saving vaccines like there a Government Plot to drug us all into submission. But no one ever be forced to take this or any other medicine against their will. And unless they speak up now, unless they resist this, theyll be getting this shot whether they like it or not and i lot more shots after this. And a lot more shots. What is he talking about . Look, Rank And File staffers at fox know that carlsons antivax stuff is irresponsible and embarrassing. They are embarrassed by it. There are plenty of people at fox, including on air talent, including medical experts who could debunk and correct and educate Tucker Carlson and his audience. That is not what carlson wants. That is not who he books on his show. He claims to be provaccine and said that hes just asking questions but hes not seeking the answers. So the rest of us have to. That is what we have to do, right. When foxitis is hurting a lot of people. If were not going to reach Herd Immunity in the u. S. , we need to reach nerd immunity. Yes nerd immunity. Enough of us have to be well informed to come out of the pandemic coma. It is whatever the opposite of What Foxitis is. Here now is Susan Glasser from the new Yorker And Amanda Marcotte And David zerra wick. Hanny Mothers Day. Youve been writing this week about the gop and the Civil War and the gop. Do you think it relates to this Foxitis Concept and what is going on with vaccines as well. Well thank you so much, brian. Youre right to connect this to the Conspiracy Theories and essentially the institutionalization of not just one Big Lie, but multiple Big Lies. Multiple, yeah. Exactly it seems to me that when youre talking about covid and the Vaccine Rollout, this is one of the things that is going to be remembered by history about this pandemic is the politicization not just of our dysfunctional public space in terms of our elections, but also in terms of even Public Health. Mask wearing became a defining political issue during the 2020 Election Campaign and i think in 2021 were seeing a Vaccine Rollout who is distinguishing characteristic might be unfortunately the resistance of one particular political party and im told by people who are expert in this and who are trying to work on the Vaccine Rollout, that is the trump supporters who are the most resistant to basic factual arguments and information about why the vaiccine is safe and necessary for Public Health. With that in mind, david, what should people do if they catch foxitis . Listen, you know, brian, some folks are joking about it but it really is, when you break it down and when you think about this lawyers case, now im not saying it is a great case, and lawyers will do anything sometimes, you know, so it is laughable in one sense. But in another sense, this man, as he gives the fact, person loses their job which threatens their sense of identity which makes them very vulnerable to Propaganda Kind of messages that might make them feel better. And here they get these messages 24 7 On Fox and at that time from the pulpit of the big pulpit of the united states government, that you are patriot if you oppose this election because of Joe Biden. That gives him an gives a person an identity and that leads i think, to them marching on to the capitol in this really awful act. So that is serious. And i think when you get these messages, coming at people telling them that if you Wear A Mask, you are submissive, those are the same kind of messages that go right at identity. And give fox viewers an identity. That is really dangerous. What should people do . Look, i think we should even in the media, we should stick with the most conservative, safest advice. For a long time and i still do but i dont know about others, believe dr. Fauci and when she say keep wearing a mask, try to do things outside with people. Look, i dont believe we we dont know all of answers to this. Every medical professional ive dealt with in the last year has told we dont know all of the answers, from the doctors i go to. But you try to take the safest course of action to protect yourself and taking off a mask and going to crowded venues, especially indoors, we know that is not safe. So no matter what Tucker Carlson tells us about its Child Abuse to make a child Wear A Mask, or youre being submissive to this big Brother Government of Joe Biden, if you Wear A Mask you have to avoid that. And we in the media have to counter it as i think were go doing on this show today. And lets get into the Shifting Coverage of covid and restrictions. Amanda, ive seen a dramatic change in the past few weeks in the coverage of covid, and the questions about the restrictions and interviewers are calling out overly cautious guidance. Theyre not being conservative. Instead they are calling out the really conservative guidance. Why is that and is that an improvement . I think it is an improvement. I think that what happened under trump was that it was really obvious there was a lot of political pressure on the cdc to downplay the pandemic. And so the tendency then was to think that the Cdc Wasnt being cautious enough. But now many months under Joe Biden it is becoming clear with a lot of Public Health critics speaking out about the cdc being overly cautious in some regards, that the media is feeling a little bit more empowered to ask hard questions about whether do we need to wear masks inside, do vaccinated people need to act as if they werent vaccinated. Is sending a bad message for vaccinated people to act if they were werent vaccinated or sending a message that the vaccines dont work. Im not saying that i have all of the answers but think it is important to ask these questions because the cdc is a political institution as well as a health institution, and i think sometimes having the discourse could improve the advice they give. I think that is true. I think what the former Fda Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said it is time to rethink indoor mask mandates, that gets us to somewhere that makes sense. Over time, gradually and with everybody doing what makes them feel safest. When were moving from a a collective sense of responsibility to a personal choice. Susan glasser, i heard my Wife Yesterday asking the same question, Shout Out to mothers, is it time to unlearn some of the habits weve learned for the last year. We have to unlearn certain behaviors about the pandemic. And that is hard to do. And it seems the media needs to model behavior in that regard. Brian, i think i would love to revisit this conversation in september or october of this year. Because i suspect that for a lot of people it is not going to be that hard to you know, unlearn certain things. I hugged my Friend Yesterday for the first time when she came over and i told my son it was like really normal and really great. And i think a lot of people when offices are reopened, when fears and broadway is reopening in the fall, schools are back, first of all, theyre not happy when Traffic Jams return to big city and the other ive been in some bad Traffic Jam this is week and i had forgotten what it felt like. That is a good forgetting. That is good. David zurawik, after paying attention to the guidance, i think different folks are moving at different speeds and we need to respect each other with this process. Yes, brian, i agree. I totally agree. But you know, and i want to embrace the up Beat Message of more things opening and getting back to normal. But i think psychologically, those images we have seen over the past year of people with covid dying alone, of wards of hospitals over loaded, those dont go away. They burn your way into your collective unconscious and it is there. You cant just say okay fine, lets have a party. And the images from india, the terrible sad images that weve had out of india in the last few weeks, just reinforced that. It makes us the stories we told and God Bless the journalists who told those stories who went into the wards but those are in our memories and youre not going to just go out and start partying with your im not going to. Maybe some folks will. But not me. Those are inside of my head and every time i think about going to meet someone for Coffee Or Anything now, that is there. Amanda, final word to you. Well, i come from a background of being a sexual Health Reporter and so i think a lot of my way of thinking of this is shaped by the Hiv Crisis and what happened there was without that Counter Point Message of condoms and other medications can lead you to back to a normal life where you could be happy and have fun again, people sometimes became fatalistic and actually ended up taking risks they didnt need to take. So i think we need to have hope in order to get people to make positive choices that get us out of this pandemic. Just now on screen we showed reliable sources back at the table, Fox And Friends back on the couch. It is important to be modeling that behavior, model the new normal but also in the case of Fox And Friends, lets give credit where it is due, they say theyve all been vaccinated and that is why theyre able to be together without masks in the same room. So they are modeling the behavior but frankly it is the Fox Base that we need to catch up to and have people catch up to those norms. Everybody thank you. David, susan, please stick around. Coming up here, a Bloomberg Editor new reporting about Jeff Bezos and how he managed an out with the national enquirer. And first Maga Rewriting History and will that work . I have an unforgettable guest. An expert in Narrative Psychology and he is next. New projects means new project managers. You need to hire. I need indeed. 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Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. Nothing is everything. Now is the time to ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. Welcome back to reliable sources. Im brian stelter. In the week ahead, Congresswoman Liz Cheney will face a vote to oust her from power. Why. Lets let Laura Ingraham of Fox News explain it all in 12 seconds. She just cant quit talking about the capitol riot, she called it the insurrection. The republicans want to move on. But cheney refuses to. Shes a woman obsessed. Republicans do want to move on. They want to erase the shame of the riot. And cheney has been making it h harder to do that. The riot, an attack on the capitol and american democracy, recorded and shown live and remember what happened after January 6 as we saw more and more videos, we realized it was even worse than it looked live. We are still learning more every week about just how bad it was. As more of the suspects are brought up in court as more of them are arrested. Were still learning more about the attack and by the way, the bomber is still on the loose. There is a lot of news about the riot every week. But fox barely mentioned it. News max barely mentions it on the air. Look at the difference between cnn and the rightwing channels on the bottom. So were going to see cheney sacrificed to the Big Lie. It could happen in just a few days. So if that is maga media plan, to try to bury the riot down the memory hole, to change the narrative, is it working . Could it work and does it matter . With me sow is Dan Mcadams at northwestern. Hes the author of the strange case of donald j. Trump, a psychological reckoning. Susan glasser is back with me for the conversation. Is Riot Denial is a real thing but mostly it is about downplaying the riot. It is a bunch of patriots that got out of hand. Is it theyre trying to change the meaning of the riot, change the story that is told . Yeah, it is about changing story. Memory, it is a work in progress. It is always evolving and changing, it is not like you take a snapshot on January 6 and it stays in your head and can t keep changes and getting updates and part of What Fox is doing it trying to encourage us all to change the early, that episode in our head, change the way it looks and the meaning and then maybe it wasnt so much an negotiation, it was a riot and maybe it wasnt even a riot, most of the people were peaceful and we should cut them a Break And Move on and put it behind us. Could they make people forget the riot. It is more about changing the meaning of it, downplaying the meaning of the riot. Do you see this happening elsewhere in politics, dan. I think we do it all of the time. I think were always having an impact on meaning and so forth over time and in a sense were all kind of rewriting history as we move forward. I think both sides of the political spectrum do this. But the right wing has lafrtche on it in extreme ways to undermine what people saw at the original event. It is really hard to say that that was a peaceful demonstration. I mean, you see the flood and people knocking the windows to get into the capitol, you see the confederate flag paraded through the capitol. It doesnt look like a peaceful demonstration to most people. But then again, maybe we could change how we think about it and say to ourself, well they were upset. They felt like they got the election stolen from them. So that is okay. I mean, theyre acting out, but theyre doing it for a good reason, perhaps. And then we downplay it and so on and try to move ahead. It does seem to be what is being attempted in rightwing media. Susan, there is a debate about whether Sunday Shows should book Gop Lawmakers who backed the socalled Sedition Caucus. Jake tapper and Dana Bash have not booked any of those lawmakers. But other big Sunday Shows have. Margaret sullivan wrote about this issue recently. What is your read on it. Should Sedition Caucus members be booked on tv and interviewed as if everything is back to normal . Well, i would say, look, it is very important when they are interviewed because regardless of whether i say they should be or not, they are going to be. They are, yeah. By some News Outlets to me it is most important that there be accountability in questioning and the way this is presented. You want to talk about the memory hole, what is amazing to me is that this is a classic case of it seems to me sort of inversion by trump and his supporters saying that liz cheney, you wouldnt stop talking about it, but lets ask the question why did 147 republican members of Congress Vote to overturn the Election Results after, in the immediate hours after the capitol riot. It is not just something that they were forgetting about. If they wanted to forget about it, they would say well we were wrong about the Election And Weve moved on and we accept Joe Biden as the president. And so in a way it is a fascinating example of think trumps propaganda skills. He and his followers have been very good at turning the story around, right. Donald trump took the term fake news, which was applied to him and the enormous number of lies and untruths that he said on Campaign Trail in 2016, he turned that around into his own slogan. And hes doing the same thing with the Big Lie right now. And so yes, he is. So i think to have accountable when people are interviewed. Several pacs said they wouldnt money to them any more and now they are quietly resuming it and i think that is something that should be called out as well. And this makes the case for an independent commission, having a commission and a Fact Finding Expedition helps to keep memories alive, is that fair to say . Yeah, i think it does. It is an interesting thing with memory. If you push a particular point of View And Nobody reinforces it, they kind of ignore it and so forth, youll start to forget it. Right. And they dont even have to attack it. They could just say, yeah, yeah, fine, fine, you could keep thinking that. And if you tell something again and again and people say i dont get that or they kind of ignore you, it goes away. So there is a real danger here that the meaning of that event in terms of the insurrection and so forth could get lost without some kind of sort of independent Assessme Assessment of it that burnished it as a moment in history that we could not forget. Thank you both for being here. Speaking of the capitol riot, that is the beginning of the new Paperback Edition of my Book Hoax and you could order it online now by going to buyhoax. Com. Trump secretly covering reporters who were covering the russia probe. That is next. 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You reported this happened last year, sometime in 2020. What is the significant, because it is a legal process to obtain a subpoena and get Phone Records so what did the doj tell you why this happened. The Justice Department said it is a rare and sometimes in their minds necessary legal moves and in this case three national security reporters, take their Phone Records and see if they could use those records to find some of their sources. And obviously that is very, very worrying and trouble some. Does It Strike that you it is the Biden Doj defending what the Trump Death did and before it was the trump organization, doj was involved in subpoenaing of Phone Records. When you are in power, you use that power . Right. I mean, one of the things that i think is difficult for people to wrap their heads around it is true that the Trump Administration did decide to do this in 2020, this is a thing that happens regardless of who is in power. And it happens, it is rare, it happens almost one case a year, sometimes a little less, sometimes a little more. But it does happen. And the practice is obviously as big of a concern as any particular case. Is this does this count as one of the stains on bill Barrs Legacy . Because there is also news this week about a secret Bill Barr Memo saying not to charge trump. And that needs to come out. But we keep learning more about the trump years and i wonder ho you juggle that with your coverage of the Biden Doj . So it is true that a lot of the what were seeing at the Justice Department right now is sort of the after effect or if you want to call it the clean up of things that were done in the Trump Administration at the Justice Department. I think with the trump era, that is particularly news filled because they the Justice Department was such a at times chaotic and divisive environment, where so many intense decisions and controversial decisions were made. But this does happen from administration to administration. You see that in multiple turnovers. But i think this one is particularly intense because of the type of Justice Department that Donald Trump had. And is it possible that other News Outlets, other reporters were snooped on by trumps doj and we dont know yet. What about others . I think it is certainly possible. I also think to your early point, there is a culture of hunting that has just been growing and growing inside of the government for a long period of time. And this is the latest example of that. And obviously there are some trump specific things to this example. But this broader institutional push, this desire for control has existed within the Department Of Justice for a while now and it is been growing. Devlin barrett, thank you for being here. For the latest on all of this, sign up for our nightly newsletter, you could sign up for free at reliable sources. Com. And one of the most powerful men in the world, Jeff Bezos now owns the post and now searching for a new editor. We have new reporting coming up. What happens to your Body Language when your underarms are cared for . It shows our new dove advanced Care Formula is effective. And kind to skin, leaving underarms cared for and you. More confident and carefree. The light. It comes from within. It drives you. And it guides you. To shine your brightest. As you charge ahead. Illuminating the way forward. A light maker. Recognizing that the impact you make comes from the energy you create. Introducing the allelectric lyriq. Lighting the way. He runs amazon and launches rockets and owns a newspaper and the worlds richest man. Jeff bezos is the subject of daily headlines about in everything from his Net Worth to plans for space. But he deserves a deeper dive and that is what bezos Biographer Brad Stone is coming out with on tuesday. The new book is called amazon unbound. And there is a lot in here. With Stone Filling in details about bezos versus the nthe nal enquirer, and remember that and the faceoff with Donald Trump and how the Washington Post factors in. Brad is normally the senior Executive Editor for bloomberg news and with me now. Brad, great to see you. How do you cover the worlds richest most powerful people and pierce the Bezos Bubble to learn more about him. It is not easy, brian. That is a secretive company and hes a secretive person. I have some history. I wrote another book about the early years of amazon called the Everything Store in 2013, but what happened as the past few years is the company changed. 30,000 employees to over a million. 100 Billion Market Cap to 1. 6 trillion and Alexa And Ownership of the Washington Post and tangled with trump and i knew i needed a sequel and so unfortunately there is a lot of turnover and a vast population of employees who are willing to talk and describe what they saw of the revolution. So you look for former people. Does bezos ever talk to reporters directly . It is been infrequent recently. Only a handful of public appearances, and nothing recently. And of course hes retiring as ceo of amazon later this year. But hes got a lot of channels to go directly to his customers and to his fans. Rowe sently he wrote the last Inventor Shareholders which describes his legacy. But no he hasnt done anything recently. And this wild email between B Bezos and Jake Harding talking about trump Criticizing Bezos and he wrotes to his spokesperson, lets come up with a response, it is a useful opportunity to do my part to deflate this guy who would be a scary president. So you have bezos there concerned about trump during the campaign in 2016. Obviously he then tangled with trump when trump was in office. How did the Washington Post and Bezos Ownership of the Post Fill in with that. It is part of the new book. I think jeff got more than he acquired for in 2013 and in 2015 when he sent the email to jay carney, yes, he wanted to stop Donald Trump, but i think he sort of felt left out a little bit by Trumps Critique of other sort of wealthy media figures. And he kind of gets into it with trump. And then the next four years hes kind of subject to this blistering attack on Amazons Relationship with the Post Office and it is perceived of pentagon contracts. So interestingly, and again a theme in the book, his ownership of the post did end up hurting amazon in some really interesting ways. And now dez os is looking for a new editor, Marty Barren retired of a couple of months ago. What do you know about how involved he is or not in search for a new boss. This is a process that publisher Fred Ryan has been running. But last week i understand that bezos was in washington and interviewing some of the finalists for that role of Executive Editor. We have to admit that the turnaround of the post has been remarkable. This is a newspaper in kind of melancholy decline three years ago and now 3 x numbers of subscribers what it was a couple of years ago. Part of it was a good fortune of being a d. C. Paper in the age of trump and the new editor of the post will have some challenges posttrump and with an active guild. We know that jeff doesnt care for unions so that is interesting. But the job hes done at the Washington Post has been remarkable. Were just scratching the surface of the Bezos World because amazon affects all of us. What should we remember about Amazons Role in our lives . Well this is really why i wanted to write this book. I want to people to understand the tradeoffs. Look, im an amazon customer, im a prime Member And Alexa owner. I do think that the impact is responsible and the evasion of taxes, the impact that it is having in our communities, you look outside and Amazon Vans and trucks are crawling our roads. So i think just having a better understanding of what this company does, how it operates and its impact on competition, particularly the smaller momandpop shops in our community is important. Thank you so much for being here. The book is amazon unbound. Coming up, on reliable sources, with a deadline looking, local reporters are taking desperate measures to hedge off Hedge Fund ownership. Well speak with two of them right after the break. Okay, imagine this. Your mover, rob, hes on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. We cut to downtown, your Sales Rep Lisa has to send some files, asap so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee. Yeah i shouldve just led with that. With at t business. You can pick the best plan for each employee and only pay for the features they need. New projects means new project managers. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. 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Let me bring in business buoy, normally the Education Reporter at the Baltimore Sun. Larry mcshane is here, wrote a column titled please buy this newspaper just the other day. Larry, did anybody reach out . Will there be a local owner from the New York Daily News . We heard i cant reveal any names, one wealthy New Yorker, we heard from some political folks. There was a bit of an instant reaction. An effort in baltimore as well to take the Baltimore Sun, make it a nonprofit. It seems right now the Hedge Fund is winning and the local owners are losing. What can you tell us about the status of Project Mayhem . The reporters throughout Tribune Publishing company for months have been working hard to find local owners in each of the cities where tribune has a newspaper. Weve been very successful. Weve had people step up in almost every city except chicago. Were looking for someone in chicago to partner with stewart ba banhem. Is that still Ak Rooif right now . Is there a Chance Alden will lose . I think there is a Chance Alden will lose. Im betting on Stewart Bainham. There are lots of efforts going on right now. I think Stewart Bainham has flipped a switch on local news. Hes really focused attention around the nation on the need to save local news. Theres been twists and turns in this saga every bit of the way. Im not going to predict what might happen. Weve been trying to book these guys. We definitely want to keep trying. Larry, whats the reason why viewers should care whether theyre in New York or not about the state of these papers . Whats your Sales Pitch to a local owner . The Sales Pitch is, the newspapers, all media hold politicians accountable, investigate and report on things you might not otherwise here. Local news is inherently local. If we dont provide it, where are you going to get it . It is that simple. It is. Yet, youd think there would be lots of interest from local buyers and there hasnt been. Is it structurally business is in decline, the actual printing of the paper is in decline. Its complicated, too, by the fact that all the newspapers are being sold as a package. You have to buy the whole thing. As liz referred to, were trying to find local owners for all of them. Were less than two weeks out, im trying to stay optimistic. Liz, last word to you . I think that we have owners who are willing to buy each of the papers as long as Stewart Bainham is successful in buying the entire company. He wants to turn the Baltimore Sun into a nonprofit and plow the money we earn now, the profits, back into the news operation, which would make it a much better paper. I think we really need just one person in the country to step up and say and join with him and say, yes, this is important, valuable commodity for our cities. Our papers go away, Theres Research that shows taxer go up, Voter Turnout goes down. Youre more likely to have less Watch Dog Journalism that uncovers corruption. So there are lots of reasons why our communities need it. Absolutely. In the meantime, we can all subscribe and help out in that small way. Liz and larry, thank you both. More reliable sources in just more reliable sources in just a moment. Youve got the brawn ive got the brains lets make lots of uh uh uh oohhh theres a lot of opportunities with allstate, drivers who switched saved over 700. Saving is easy when youre in good hands. Allstate click or call to switch today. Before we end this hour, two Programming Plugs for you. This weeks reliable sources podcast, we talk about the pandemic in india and how its covered here. Later tonight, the second episode of the story of late night. 9 00 p. M. Eastern here on cnn. Happy Mothers Day to my mom donna. Im on the way home right now to go Take Care of the kids. Sunny days ahead . Covid cases and deaths dropping in the u. S. Health experts raise expe expectations for a good sum myrrh. With Covid Cases on the decline. It wont be easy. 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