Transcripts For CNN The People v. The Klan 20240711

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Murder sank in. It was the first time since at least the early 1900s that a white had been sentenced to death for a crime committed against a black person in the state of alabama. Beulah Mae Donald is grieving, but also seeking justice for her child. This is a black woman who has just lost her son to lynching, finds the strength to move forward in a several suit against the klan in alabama. The stakes could not be higher. The body of a Black Man has been found hanging from a tree in mobile, alabama. Lynching is a tool to control and oppress black people. Racial violence is as old as the constitution. Klans are not running around with white sheets over their head, but its still happening. Today people are horrified of the police. It is the modern day lynching. What are we going to do about it. We move forward with people deciding im bold enough, and im going to make it change. Beulah Mae Donald took on one of the most violent criminal organizations in the United States. This was an incredible story of courage. No justice no peace. If we dont get no justice, there aint gonna be no damn peace. Thats the bottom line. There is a level of Mental Illness that has been inflicted upon our society that can no longer stand. And it didnt just start today, but it is at a critical point. When you get too far away from your history, then youre unable to understand the moment were in and the direction we can continue to go in if we dont stop. Lynching became a tool, used by both white citizenry as well as Law Enforcement to control and oppress black people. While there appeared to be progress, we have the reminders of racialized violence, of murder, of lynching, and we see it most clearly with the murder of Michael Donald. My Uncle Thomas figures and my father michael figures, they worked incredibly, incredibly hard to ensure that justice was served in the criminal case. They both knew that that was not going to be enough. The klan was just as much of a threat as it was for the criminal case. And thats when my father teamed up. After Law School in 1960 when i got to practicing law, there were a lot of violent acts that we saw in the United States. The beating of the Freedom Writers in birmingham, the violent deaths around mississippi, georgia, alabama and other cases. The killing committed by what people suspected were klan members but very few of them were actually apprehended. I thought to myself, if i ever get an opportunity to get on the other side of the fight, id do it in a minute. I decided id go down to mobile and watch Michael Donalds criminal trial. I wanted to know everything i could. So following the criminal trial, thats when my Father And Morris dees teamed up to bring a 10 Million civil suit against the klan. Morris dees came and he talked to my mother. He says, im going to get everything that you want for you, mrs. Donald, because you have been good through this. I dont think i could go through this. He told her that. He said, we will go after the organization, rather than the individuals. And a lot of people questioned whether he was going to be successful. The Michael Donald civil case was the first time that a jury had a chance to rule on the acts of a Hate Group Organization and its members for doing a serious horrible lynching. If we could win this case, we could wipe out all the groups. Beulah Mae Donald having endured the emotional rigors of a criminal trial knew that she wasnt done. My mother, she said the worst has already been done. My child is gone. I want to make them pay for what they have done for my child. It became a national case. The Donald Family felt others were involved and filed a civil suit against the United Klan. The aim was to dismantle whatever financial base the group has and to establish a precedent that can be used by other victims of klan violence. We filed a civil suit against a group of named klan individuals. Bennie hayes got him a gun, got him a rope to go out and find a black person to kill, just any black person. We filed a civil suit against the imperial wizard of the United Klans of america. He was very smart. You could tell by the way he organized, the way he dressed. He wore klan uniforms and paraphernalia around the klan but not in the public. He set up an organization that was pretty sophisticated. Sheltons chapters were responsible for horrific violence. The people were organized and vicious. A number of them had military training, and that made them a much more dangerous threat. Over the last several months, members of the church and other neonazi groups have been connected to a whole series of violent events. The countrys oldest group of Cue Klansmen is threatened with financial ruin. They kept calling, kept calling, kept calling. They got fired up because we sued them. In 1983, the klan burned our building in montgomery, alabama. Not only had our office been fire bombed in the night by a Klan Group, morris lived at that time on a farm. They came to my house trying to track me down. They found that i had Security Guards out there. They discovered on his Property Camouflage people trying to sneak up to morris house. Both groups claim they have infiltrated Military Reserve Units and can get their hands on a variety of sophisticated weapons. They had a Hate List of people they wanted to kill. The Hit List assigns value to targets. They included everything from killing a random person of color all the way up to the assassination of major targets that they would like addressed. The fbi showed me a copy. I was on top of that list. One of the guys that they wanted to kill was Allen Berg because he had a radio program, hes jewish and hes condemning the nazis. And they mowed him down, shot him and killed him. That got our attention in a big way. Morris dees told my mom, i have gotten death threats. Are you prepared for this . She said, i dont care. I just want the world to know what has happened to my son. Beulah Mae Donald versus United Klans of america. She put her name, one person, one individual, one mother against the klan. She knew that the klan had no problems killing children. Why would they refrain from killing an elderly black woman. She knew what the risks were. And she did it anyway. Not merely on her behalf. She did it on behalf of other mothers, on behalf of their children. I fought for a departmental trial, one officer fired, which there should have been at least six officers fired. The idea that your child can be killed by the state and there be no justice is enough to make someone lose their mind. Justice would be when all of those officers stand accountable for my Sons Death. Then at least it would be closure because there is no justice for eric because eric is dead. And the fact that these mothers continue to work and go about life and try to encourage other people, thats some powerful shit. What if we were wrong this whole time . Wrong in thinking that joy happens only at The End. After the sacrifice. After the win. What if happiness has always been there, fueling the run toward greatness . What if joy is the whole game, not just the End Game . Can i kick it . Yes you can. Can i kick it . Hey its me your dry skin yes you can. Im Craving Something were missing. Can i kick it . The ceramides in cerave. They help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture. Weve got to have each others backs. Cerave. Now the 1 dermatologist recommended skincare brand. These are real people, not actors, whove got their eczema under control. With less eczema, you can show more skin. So roll up those sleeves. And help heal your skin from within with dupixent. 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I love the rakuten app, it has all my favorite stores at the top. I use rakuten for almost everything i buy. I just got paid to shop. My favorite thing about rakuten is just getting money back in the mail. I mean, who wouldnt want cash back. You should sign up using my Referral Code because then we both get money. Shop. Get cash back. Repeat. Ac Dc Back In Black sign up today and get cash back with rakuten. Shop. Get cash back. Repeat. The bowls are back. Applebees irresistabowls all just 8. 99. The judge will tell you the punitive damage, not like compensation for a broken leg. The trial it was a klan in there. The benefactor stood on one side. Some days it was so full you couldnt get in there. When you looked in mrs. Donalds eyes, it would break my heart every time i talked to her because i knew that her son had been murdered. And here she was having to go through this trial, which had to be hard on her, but you would never know it. I mean, she was so solid. If they could stand to see michael, i could stand to see their faces. People were just surprised of the courage that we had, not knowing that sometimes we had to cry at night because we didnt know and we had to moan sometimes because we didnt know. But when we walked out, we present ourselves as a family. In most prior cases the hate people were in it, they indict the hate people but not the leaders of the group. And thats not easily said or done. So for this trial, i had to show that the United Klan has a history of carrying out its white supremacy acts as violence. Youre going to hear evidence today, and tomorrow and the next day. We started by things done that the leader had been behind. Now, fortunately we have a piece of evidence i think thats going to convince you that this national organization did more than just a racial philosophy. After we filed a civil suit, i got a letter in the mail from Bennie Hayes. He sent me a copy of the charter given by shelton in mobile. He said, i want you to have this. And if you would come down to mobile to my house, i can give you some documentation that would help me in the civil suit. I stuck my Berretta 357 in my Hip Pocket and off i went to mobile. He had a box of documents, and i had a chance to look at them. In there was the 50page Constitution of the United Klans of america. Documents that you dont get to see unless youre the klan. So i said, id like to take these with me. He said, no, i want you to get my son off death row. I said, well, a Jury Put him on death row, a judge did, and i cant do anything about that. But dont you destroy these documents. So i walked out of there with nothing. In about a week or two, Bennie Hayes was arrested and put in the mobile county jail. He had burned his house down instead of getting a lawyer to represent his son and he had been indicted for that. We were able to establish it was in fact arson, so our office prosecuted him under the mail fraud charge. A judge gave him five years. Well, i said now is the chance for me to get these documents. And i took a long shot. I sent a Deposition Discovery Document to mrs. Hayes and said, bring all the documents to the federal courthouse. She appeared with all the documents, every one of them. The constitution of the United Klans of america ended up to be some of the most powerful evidence we had against the u. K. A. You will see the constitution of the klan, the document that talks about you and me worth killing, aliens. Only people citizens of the Invisible Empire are allowed to live. And, so, we had to put witnesses on The Stand. The perfect witness was Gary Thomas rowe. He was an fbi informant. He was involved in some of the most significant and important moments in civil rights history, like the beating of the Freedom Writers, like the murder of viola leluzo. At one point he actually testifies to the senate and he tries to disguise himself in the most bizarre way of putting a white napkin over his head shaped in such a way that it looked as if he was wearing a klan hood. I have been instructed to disorganization the Klan Organization to the best of my ability. And to get the information it was necessary to participate in the violent acts yourself . Some of the information i think yes. And some of it, no, sir. In connection with the freedom Writers Incident that you mentioned, did the Birmingham Police give you the time to perform the beating . Yes, sir. We were promised 15 minutes with absolutely no intervention from any Police Officer whatsoever. And were they beaten . They were beaten very badly, yes. Gary thomas, rowe, he was able to connect the dots between the klan and the violence of the klan during that time. So we had this man tied to a whole series of acts and it was read to the jury. It was very, very powerful. He was behind the beating of the Freedom Writers, the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in birmingham, the killing of liuzzo. Robert shelton, the leader, was behind it all. Hey its me your dry skin Im Craving something were missing. The ceramides in cerave. They help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture. Weve got to have each others backs. Cerave. Now the 1 dermatologist recommended skincare brand. Want to save hundreds on your Wireless Bill . With xfinity mobile, you can. How about saving hundreds on the new Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5g . You can do that too. All on the most reliable network . Sure thing and with fast, nationwide 5g included at no extra cost . Weve got you covered. So join the carrier rated 1 in customer satisfaction. And learn how much you can save at xfinitymobile. Com mysavings. In mobile, alabama in 1981, there was a Klan Group operating there. United klans of america, part of robert sheltons empire. Our sole case, the strategy was used to tie the local folks actions on to the national Klan Organization. You dont have to show that the head of the United Klan said kyle Michael Donald. All you have to do with this corporation, and it was a corporation, was show some of his top officials were behind and promoted the killing. Some of the conspirators were high ranking officers. In fact, Bennie Hayes was the second or third highest ranking officer in that klan at the time of the murder. Bennie, he gave the orders. He manipulated these young people. Tiger knowles was 17 years old at the time. Bennie hayes was just as culpable and should have been held accountable. Around the time that the Michael Donald lynching took place. I had Tiger Knowles testify, i got hope from the Attorney General Rat of the United States at the time and they broke every rule you could break to get him down to mobile. I concentrate on information that he could give me about who was involved in this Planning Session down there in mobile the week before this all happened. He got on The Stand and in detail told exactly what happened. He pointed out people sitting out there that individuals who was at tha him that photograph the face of Michael Donald, and you could see on the photograph a Boot Print because when they put the rope around his neck, they put the boot against both sides of his face, pulled on it until there is no breath left in him. I know mrs. Donald Couldnt Help but have seen that picture when it was passed on to the jury. At The End of the trial, he looked over at mrs. Donald and he looked at her sitting there at the table. He said that his own family had turned against him. And he also say he didnt have a family. And to know that somebody cares something about someone, it made him have a deep feeling in his heart that he felt sorry. I told her that i was sorry and that and and if i could i would take her sons place. Thats when he asked me, would i forgive him. What did you say . Oh, yes. I had already did that. You had already forgiven him . Yes, sir. I already asked the lord to take it in his hand. I dont think there was a dry eye in that courtroom. I know there wasnt at our counsel table. And i saw jurors brushing back tears. Beulah Mae Donalds ability to forgive james Tiger Knowles of an unspeakable crime is a commentary on her character and not on his crime. But it also raises the question how long must america count on the bottomless well of black peoples forgiveness. I was angry. I was angry for a long time. I just had to forgive him because we werent going to bring the girls back. It wasnt going to bring my sight back. When i let it go, thats when i started to feel better. These stories of black forgiveness are Character Lessons. But the Character Lesson is not let us ask white people to forgive, but rather let us challenge ourselves to not engage in unforgivable behavior. This is a portion of my fathers Closing Statement from the civil trial. It was Michael Donald on march 21st, 1981. But who will it be tomorrow . Lest he speak loudly and clearly to speak that message throughout the country. Who will it be tomorrow . What should your verdict be . Obviously we think it should be for the plaintiffs. We think it should be in the amount of every penny we asked for. Surely we dont expect them to pay 10 Millionm. They dont have that kind of money. No man is an island. Were all apart of one another. Each Mans Death diminishes me, for i am involved in mankind and, therefore, never seems to know for whom the bell tolls. They toll for mrs. Donald right now. But one day they may toll for thee. Thank you. vo conventional thinking doesnt disrupt the status quo. 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Its an antiaging superstar new revitalift Night Serum with pure retinol. From loreal paris. Were worth it. The outcome of the criminal trial was step one. The outcome of the civil trial could be the most important statement that could possibly be made here. Essentially an indictment on the entire culture that led to Michael Donalds death. In mobile, alabama last night, an all white federal jury hit the United Klans of america with 7 Million in damages. It grew out of the murder of a young Black Man, Michael Donald. That was my baby, and nothing they do could bring him back. But i still say i am proud. We think this verdict sends a strong message across the country that white southerners will not tolerate this activity. This is a vicious Klan Group. I hope the decision of the jury this day will put it out of business. I didnt want it to happen to nobody elses child like it has mine. You dont no what the agony is until you go through it. There had really been some justice done in this. I was doubtful of it because had it been up to some people, it wouldnt advance far. Its not really about the Jury Award of 7 Million. It is not merely about getting, if you will, the keys to the klan kingdom. What it was about is that we hold accountable institutions and organizations that propagate hate. And we, as a society, are holding everybody accountable. The klan was hit with a 7 Million wrongful Death Verdict in a case brought by donalds murder. The klan didnt have the money and wound up having to sign over its Tuscaloosa Building to her. She said, i just dont care about the money. I really dont. But the building sold really fast. Thats why she was able to get the home that now stands where it is today. I wasnt expecting any, you know, Death Bed Confession from Henry Hayes. He had never done that. And he didnt admit to the crime. But he did admit to having made poor choices, having bad associations. He said, if my association with the klan makes me guilty, i apologize for that. He never said i committed this crime. Were about to close a chapter in what many call the last lynching In America. Henry hayes has four and a half hours now to say his final goodbyes to his family and friends. You have no idea what im fixing to go through. This guy only had a number of years to realize to this point whats going to happen to him. He had plenty of opportunities to correct himself. But hes a die hard klansman. We went to the execution. The News Media came in and said one of you can go on. Stanley said, im going in. And when he went in, Henry Hayes looked at him and said, will you forgive me . And he said, i forgive you. 42yearold Henry Hayes died in alabamas electric chair early this morning after refusing a last meal. And i think we cried All The Way Back Home from the prison. We cried All The Way Back Home. Because we knew that chapter was finally over. Nobody wins when its like that because two families have been destroyed over a simple act of pure hatred. At some point, bennie felt some guilt because he knew that he probably had cost that boy his life. My biggest regret is never having tried Bennie Hayes. The trial ended in a mistrial because Bennie Hayes either faked or had a Heart Attack in the presence of the jury. He died while in custody. He was officially the leader of the group and unofficially the evil force behind it. There were threats. There was a contract on my life. Everybody hated me. I was given a Life Sentence. I really thought my Life Sentence was going to be reduced so i could get out. But it wasnt. I was made promises that were not kept and nobody would put anything in writing, but they would say things. And i ended up spending a long time in prison. The justice department, united States Justice never intended to agree that he would be paroled but because of him helping me and providing me with very good information, i began an effort to get him release from federal prison. That happened after 20 years they finally released him. I disagree with it. It was just the epitome of senseless, mindless violence. I dont think he should have ever been released. The klan has resurrected itself throughout american history. White power and so the idea that one case would finish off the Klan Wasnt Anything i could believe. If sweat is your bodys natural way of cooling itself down. Then condensation is a beers natural way of saying drink me. Hey its me your dry Skin Michelob ultra now with a new look. Im Craving Something were missing. The ceramides in cerave. They help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture. Weve got to have each others backs. Cerave. Now the 1 dermatologist recommended skincare brand. Mrs. Donald may hurt the organization. Theyre bankrupt, but dont mean anything. That aint going to stop them from hurting people. I know its not. I knew its not. The settlement in the Michael Donald case certainly was something that organizers in the White Power movement were paying attention to as they planned what was next for their movement. What wasnt destroy us makes us stronger. And i believe that these type of attacks in many ways will strengthen our movement. The old way of activism was a problem because the Michael Donald case really brought down that model of organizing. The klan becomes one strand of a broad and intertwined social movement that broad together klansmen, neonazis, Christian Identity proponents. Later on it brought in skinheads, militia men and brought people together in a much more violent and revolutionary way than they had organized their violence under shelton and the u. K. A. We dont mean to be in the same group. At this point in the history of the klan in the United States, it would be against our interests to totally combine. Louis beams contribution to the movement has been to take its message and move it into the computer age. Liberty net was the first foray into social Network Activism by anyone in the United States. So it really was like facebook before facebook. People talk about the hate thats propagated on facebook and say you have to take responsibility for what is broadcast, what is disseminated on your platform because there are real world consequences. What we see now is yet another morphing. They are klan and the neonazi groups they go home lying. They dont have headquarters. It is hard to find them. This is where we get the idea of the Lone Wolf White Power gunman, which is largely a fictional idea. We got the story of Timothy Mcvay and a few Cocon Spore tors. We did not get the extensive and deep connections with the White Power movement that fomented that action. White power changed its message very effectively in a way allowed to resurface in the present movement. In the White Power movement what were talking about is cells attempting to overthrow the nation. The nation in white nationalism within this ideology is not the United States. It is the aryan nation. We see a lot of stories about the changing face of america, when the nation as a whole will no longer be majority white. What is happening In America is that white Nationalism Ideology is running wild. And the reason why buildings are burning is because this city, this state would prefer preserving that white nationalism and that white Supremacist Mind Set over arresting, charging and helping to convict four officers who killed a Black Man. Im so tired of the police saying i was afraid. Afraid of what . You got a gun with 15 shots. You can call in backup from everywhere. What are you afraid of . The klan at a time when they were being sort of dismantled, they directed many of their members to do was to go into Police Departments and other institutions where they would maintain power. The fbi issues a report only a few years ago about the effort of white nationalists to infiltrate Law Enforcement. Right . This is not some Fringe Organization that drew this conclusion. It is the united States Justice department. We can take this back to the era of slavery. We can think about Slave Patrols in particular. There were men, mostly men, who were deputized. And it was their responsibility to make certain that enslaved men or woman who took the attempt to escape be brought back, hunted. So after the civil war, these Slave Patrols literally morph into southern Law Enforcement, southern Police Departments. And, so, systemic racism is literally baked into Law Enforcement in this country. We have allowed in many instances terrorist cells to spring up in our midst. It is an ugly history. 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New from loreal, revitalift Night Serum with pure retinol. International patent pending. Our most potent retinol. So effective, in a clinical test, 100 of women showed reduction of wrinkles. Even deep wrinkles. Powerful results, validated by dermatologists. Its an antiaging superstar new revitalift Night Serum with pure retinol. From loreal paris. Were worth it. We went through what i think in mobile was a Real Change in attitudes and relationships among the populus. We were doing a lot of things in terms of trying to achieve equality in a lot of different areas. I think we developed a new character. Thats why it was possible for me to get elected mayor. Thats why it was possible for a lot of other things thats happened in mobile. This many years later, Morris Dees has left the southern Law Center and so many other civil Rights Organization have a great many new challenges to face. Mrs. Donald was very strong. She went through the criminal case. She went through a whole lot of this. But it never changed her character. She was still a very, very nice lady that everybody loved. She exemplified that love that she gave her children, herself personally with her family, and she brought that love to the children that she served. Well, i just want everybody to know that my aunt mom Beulah Mae Donald was a good woman. She loves her children and she would let everybody know that. She raised us good and she taught us how to survive in life, to work for what we have today. The more you talk about it, it is healing. It is healing to the soul. She would just share her feelings with me and she would say that was my baby. And i would say, i know. I would tell her i know. Some days it gets hard, but i just believe that theyre sharing a heaven. I do. After years of seeking justice for her son, this beautiful mother and extraordinary Human Being died at the age of 67, in 1988. To have an africanamerican woman die a year after holding the Klan Accountable for her Sons Death says everything about the weight of this racial trauma on Beulah Mae Donalds shoulders. This was a heavy burden. She endured two trials, investigations, stress, grief, pain. We should all ask yourselves, how can we demonstrate this same degree of Courage And Character in our lives . To pursue justice, to do so with grace and dignity, to find a way to extend forgiveness. Her eulogy is ongoing. Black women carry the entire struggle on our backs. What goes along with that is a lot of trauma. So people look at us and say, black woman are so angry. We demand too much. Were never in a good mood. But we got a lot to be angry about. Beulah Mae Donalds story should leave us all wondering why do we not know of a woman who was unafraid to take on the Ku Klux klan, a woman with not a lot of resources but love for her hson to propel her. Why arent these stories told . Perhaps with this 21st century movement, where we are reminding people that black lives matter, perhaps black mothers might be able to sleep a little easier. I am optimistic. People are ready. We just got to love one another and turn away from all this hatred. We cannot forget. We cannot forget. And we must continue to fight. Were trying to save our children. Were trying to save our future generations. Lets get rid of the system that we have now and build a new system that will be fair to all of us. People should come together as theyre coming together now. This should just be a moment. It should be a movement to come together. In the present moment, we honor the names of people who have been lost to hate. By saying aloud, say his name. Say her name. Say their names. Every hashtag that you read Today And Endeavor to see the humanity behind the hashtag is a part of this legacy, because his mother, Beulah Mae Donald, chose to take on his killers and hold them accountable, which inspires us today to hold accountable those Who Desecrate and destroy black lives. Thats the legacy of Michael Donald. Thats the legacy of Beulah Mae Donald. The other pandemic. As covid cases rise, the race to Vaccinate Americans and return to normal life. But In America, that means more gun violence. This has to end. Its a national embarrassment. How will the u. S. Handle these two u. S. Death emergencies . And the biden doctrine. As the president declares an end to americas longest war and other global hot spots, he faces mounting questions

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