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its case in the murder trial of former police officer derek chauvin. a use of force expert testifying that he believed chauvin's actions in the arrest of george floyd were justified. that assessment in stark contrast to multiple prosecution witnesses who said chauvin used deadly force in violation of policy. also a cdc panel is preparing to meet tomorrow to review johnson & johnson's covid-19 vaccine, the agency joining with the fda to recommend a pause in j s&p j shots after six reported cases of a rare and severe type blood clot. much more on that at this hour. miguel marquez in brooklyn center for us. the officer who shot daunte wright has resigned and the prosecutor hopes to have a decision on possible charges as early as tomorrow. what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, that is the possibility over in washington county. right now we're at the police station in brooklyn center where a few dozen protesters have shown up. a lot of national guard have shown up as well. they are prepared for anything tonight. emotions in this town, this area, this state, still very raw. >> i mefr imagined this was what was going to happen. i just thought maybe he was being arrested. >> reporter: another day, another american family. african-american, fed up with the unequal treatment all around. now reeling at the death of a son, brother and father. daunte wright, dead at the hands of police. >> she pointed the phone towards the driver's seat and my son was laying there, unresponsive. that was the last time that i seen my son. that's the last time i heard from my son, and i have had no explanation since then. >> reporter: the fallout from the death of daunte wright still reverberating. the chief of brooklyn center police and the officer who fired the fatal shot, kim potter, 26-year veteran of the force, have resigned. >> i hope this will help bring calm to the community. although, having ultimately people want justice. they want full accountability under the law. and so that's what we're going to continue to work for. >> reporter: many residents here, angry, demanding change. >> because he's black, because he's brown. no more. i'm sick and i'm tired. and it's people like you. >> reporter: police chief said potter thought she had pulled her taser but instead held her service weapon and fired a single shot into daunte wright at point-blank range. >> taser, taser, taser. oh, [ bleep ] i shot him. >> the wright family says there is no excuse. >> she was the law. she was the law, right? protect and serve. put her in jail like they would do any one of us. they would put us under that jail cell. it would be no accident. it would be murder. >> many residents here incensed by the repeated deaths, use of force and everyday dealings with some police officers. last night, frustration boiled over into the streets, as protesters challenged police at the brooklyn center station in northwestern minneapolis, taunting them. some throwing objects and throwing objects at officers in full riot gear. police resorted to tear gas and flash bang grenades to clear the protesters. protesters demanding deeper changes to the police force and policing. >> so, last night in brooklyn center, they had a 7:00 p.m. curfew. so far, the city has not called for one. however, the city of minneapolis, this is northwest minneapolis, in the metro area, the city of minneapolis has put in a 10:00 p.m. curfew order for tonight. we did see some businesses, downtown minneapolis boarding up. all of this, part of a plan that was already put in place for the end of the chauvin trial, operation safety net. so all the sort of resources were in the area and they just activated them early in the hopes they won't have to use them at all, tonight and after the chauvin trial. wolf? >> clearly, a very tense situation. miguel, thank you very much. now to the derek chauvin murder trial. court has wrapped up for the day after the first round of witnesses presented by the defense. cnn's omar jimenez has our report from minneapolis. >> reporter: the beginning of the defense's case for former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin offered jurors the first expert witness to definitively defend chauvin's actions. >> i felt that derek chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness following minneapolis police department policy and current standards of law enforcement and interactions with mr. floyd. >> reporter: use of force consultant saying the officers could have used more force when he resisted. >> i felt that that level of resistance exhibited by mr. floyd justified the officers in higher levels use of force they chose not to select. >> reporter: during cross examination, prosecutors pushed back specifically on the time of use of force, same situational awareness that an officer might use to monitor a crowd might be used to monitor a suspect's physical condition. >> particularly if they're exhibiting signs of stress. >> yes. >> loss of consciousness? >> yes. >> inability to breathe? >> yes. >> loss of pulse? >> yes. >> all of these things that a reasonable officer should take into consideration when determining whether to escalate force, de-escalate force or remain the same. correct? >> yes. >> reporter: the defense also took jurors back to may 25th, 2020, with police body camera video. >> he still won't get in the car. just sit down, fool. >> reporter: how would you describe mr. floyd's behavior while inside of the cup foods? >> happy, normal, talking, alert. >> reporter: jawanda hill was a friend of george floyd's in the car with him in the moments leading to his confrontation with police. moments later, hill tried to see what's happening. >> they're still fighting him. oh, man. what is he doing? >> reporter: but some of testimony tuesday went into george floyd's past. >> put him up on the dash. >> reporter: including a portion of a 2019 arrest which the judge are allowed because he ruled it was similar to the deadly may 2020 confrontation, confrontation by police followed by rapid ingestion of drugs. >> he told you he had taken a pill at the time the officers were apprehending him? >> correct zplt paramedic, who responded that day, was called by the defense, focusing on drugs taken that day and the high blood pressure recorded. >> did you ultimately make recommendations to transport mr. floyd to the hospital? >> based on that and other issues. >> reporter: the prosecutors drew a critical bottom line in their cross examination. >> didn't have a stroke while you were with him? >> no. >> he was never given narcan, correct? >> correct. >> he didn't stop breathing? >> no. >> his heart didn't stop? >> no. >> he didn't go into cardiac arrest? >> no. >> he didn't go into a coma? >> no. >> reporter: now one of the more tense exchanges came today during cross examination of that use of force expert. prosecutors played a portion of a body camera video showing floyd on the ground, still conscious, but cuffed and under the weight of three officers, including the knee of derek chauvin, and asked him if at this point floyd was compliant. he didn't necessarily agree. prosecutors pushed back and eventually he said floyd would have been compliant once he was resting comfortably on the pavement. now, court is out for the day, but the judge told jurors as he dismissed them, have a good night. don't talk to anyone and don't watch the news in a very tense minneapolis area ahead of closing arguments scheduled for this monday. wolf? >> certainly, omar. stand by. we'll get back to you in a few moments. right now i want to talk to one of the lead lawyers for george floyd's family, chris stewart. thanks, as usual, for joining us. you heard the defense making its case today, calling a use of force expert, who said chauvin was justified, justified, and that, quote, police officers don't have to fight fear. those are quotes. what's your reaction to day one of the defense argument? >> thanks for having me. that expert was a disaster for derek chauvin. it reminds me of the titanic. allegedly, the band kept playing as the ship was sinking. that's all we're going to hear this week is derek chauvin's band because this was a disaster. that expert totally refuted everything that he said on direct and gave the prosecution everything they needed. so not a good day for the defense. >> why do you think the defense used video of george floyd's 2019 arrest when it seemed to show a very different approach by officers, kept george floyd alive in that situation? >> exactly. that hurt them with that witness. do you know what that officer did? he didn't kill george floyd. do you know what derek chauvin did? he killed george floyd. i don't know if it was little man syndrome or what it was. he killed george floyd. the officer on the stand today, he didn't. that hurt them. i'm not sure what they're doing but it didn't work today. >> we're showing our viewers, chris, by the way, live pictures from brooklyn center, minnesota. crowds beginning to fwaer as they did last night, the night before, to protest the killing of daunte wright, the 20-year-old who was killed there by a police officer. the defense in the chauvin trial implied that a suspect on drugs wouldn't necessarily understand commands from the police, might not necessarily feel pain, might have what they described as superhuman strength. how does the floyd family cope with hearing george floyd painted in that light? >> well, they've heard it before, like every african-american in this country has heard. if you're large, over six feet, over 150 pounds, you're a threat for law enforcement. and so in every case i've ever had, words come out like superhuman strength or in the merrill case, he was strong as a bull. you know, it's those type of stereotypes and derogatory comments that they believe will justify a jury or chief in not reprimanding them or putting them behind bars. it's not shocking. >> as you know, the minneapolis area is grieving the killing of yet another black man by police and we're showing our viewers of pictures of people beginning to gather. we're talking about daunte wright, the 20-year-old. his aunt spoke emotionally to cnn last night, asking how do we put life back together after this? so, chris, how hard is it to see yet another black family having to deal with this kind of pain? >> why are we shocked? why are we shocked by mr. wright's murder? walter scott was killed, sterling was killed literally right after. when sterling was killed, philandro castille was killed right after. we're going to keep repeating it until police is overhauled. don't be shocked. it happens because racial profiling is allowed constantly, allowing an officer to escalate situations. why are we shocked? i could have been mr. wright. i had a gun put in my face for simply sitting in a car, waiting to get in a bar with my friends and said they heard suspicious people were in the area. they came out with guns in our faces. and we have on suits. so why are we shocked? this is reality. until we change it, you'll see this reality again next month, the month after, and next year. so don't be shocked by mr. wright's murder. feel sorry for the family, but don't be shocked by what's really happening. >> is that when you were a student here in washington at howard university? that's pretty scary event that you're describing. >> no. this was actually when i went to xavier in louisiana, but you are my howard brother, both of us having gone there. luckily, that didn't happen in d.c. >> chris stewart, thank god you're okay. and we'll continue our conversation. appreciate it very much. >> any time. >> good work. let's bring back cnn's omar jimenez on the ground in minneapolis along with cnn political commentator bakari sellers and legal analyst paul callen. >> it certainly doesn't just contradict the prosecution's expert witnesses, and there were so many of them, it contradicts what we heard from chauvin's police chief, right? >> yeah. i have to agree with my good friend, chris stewart, on this one. this expert wasn't up to par today. he wasn't decisive. he wasn't commanding of the courtroom. he didn't have the same charisma you saw a lot of those experts have last week. i'm not sure he scored any points for the defense in this case. and if the defense is going to have any semblance of success next week when this trial goes back to the jury, they're going to have to do a lot better job than the expert we saw today. there were so many times that he came out and stated something with some hesitancy, a lack of certainty only to completely backpedal, like dion sanders when questioned by the prosecution. i think today -- you couple that with showing george floyd's last interaction. today was a day when you throw your hands up and simply don't know what the defense was trying to do. >> paul, were you surprised by how often defense witnesses today seemed to get tripped up by the prosecution's cross examination? >> yes and no. i think one of the things we've seen, wolf, in this case, has been a disparity in the resources available to the prosecutor as opposed to the defense. the prosecutor put in a spectacular case, had some of the best witnesses in the country, in the field of excess force, in the field of all of the medical issues in the case. now, look what the defense has. they have a solo defense attorney. and, boy, if today is any indication, they're having a tough time getting good experts on their own behalf. so i think that's one of the problems. they're just outgunned by the prosecution completely. this expert, the excessive force expert that they called, by the end of the day, you would start to think he was testifying for the prosecution in the case. so, that was a tribute to the cross examination, but you have to wonder why they hired him. now i've been involved in enough cases to see sometimes you can't get a good witness to defend what you did. and i think derek chauvin is going to have a hard time getting any witness who is good and credible to defend what went on in that street and in the events leading up to the death of george floyd. >> i was beginning to think exactly what you suggested. bakari, what do you think the defense was trying to prove with that 2019 george floyd arrest video? in that case, officers responded differently. he walked away from that interaction alive. >> so, you know, you have a swath, a large vocal swath, and i hate to juxtapose cases like this, but here we are in this country. you have the murder case ten miles down the road and you hear that group of people in this country say but if he didn't resist, if he didn't resist. that's a large group of people in this country as far as that ideology. i think there was some kind of method here that the defense is trying to get some of those jurors who may be of that, but if he didn't resist. if he didn't do this at this time, he would still be alive today. still trying to shift the prism, as we talked about earlier, from the trial of derek chauvin to the trial of george floyd, highlighting his behavior. again, subconsciously even highlighting that this wasn't his first interaction with law enforcement, building this theme that he is this constant troublemaker that interacts with law enforcement. i'm actually a little bit shocked that these other incidents were allowed to be in. in most states that's not something that happens. that's highly prejudicial. >> that's what i thought as well. omar, the minneapolis area, as we all know, is reeling from sunday's police killing of 20-year-old daunte wright. how tense is the situation where you are on the ground? sflr well, it's as tense as things have ever been. you look at the law enforcement response alone. mayor, jacob frye in minneapolis, prior to all of this happening, leading up to the trial, said they would describe their security response in three phases. phase one around jury selection. we were in phase two for a long time. and then phase three would be their highest level of alert, so to speak, that they were planning to save for closing arguments and deliberating on verdicts. they've now bumped that up early in anticipation of some of that tenseness in brooklyn center spilling into minneapolis and then, of course, all of them melting together as we head into closing arguments next week, wolf. >> all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead, the pause in administering the j&j vaccine here in the united states. what it could mean for you, your family and the vaccine rollout. we'll discuss when we come back. when you earn a degree with university of phoenix, we support you with career coaching including resume building, interview prep, personal branding and more for your entire career. so if you commit to earning a degree with us, we commit to standing by you until the day you retire. that's career services for life. find out more about our commitment at phoenix.edu (naj) at fisher investments, we do things differently and other money managers don't understand why. find out more about our commitment (money manager) because our way works great for us! 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it really allows both the fda and the cdc to further investigate these cases. >> reporter: out of the 6.8 million people in the u.s. who have gotten j&j, the six with blood clots were women between the ages of 18 and 48, who developed symptoms within 13 days of being vaccinated. one died and another was hospitalized, in critical condition. federal health officials pushed for a pause out of abundance of caution as other experts said the clots appeared to be extremely rare. >> when you think of a one in a million event, you cross the street every day. you have a much higher chance of getting run over by a car. >> reporter: officials said they were concerned that providers would treat the rare clots with conventional drugs that could make them worse. >> when you have thromboses, the most common way to treat that is with heparin. that would be a mistake in this situation. >> reporter: for those who have already gotten j&j, dr. anthony fauci says not to panic, but be on the lookout for headaches, shortness of breath and abdominal or chest pain. >> first of all, don't get an anxiety reaction because, remember, it's less than one in a million. however, having said that, pay attention. >> reporter: president biden says he's not concerned the pause will affect his vaccine goals. >> there's enough vaccine that is basically 100% unquestionable for every single, solitary american. >> reporter: but his staff is expressing concern about whether the pause will exacerbate vaccine hesitancy. >> hesitancy amongst a group of people is a challenge. the fda, acting the way they did today, shows that they are, indeed, the gold standard. and i think that should reassure the american public. >> reporter: after state officials privately complained they were caught off guard by the pause, the white house says they got the message out as fast as possible. >> we didn't know about anything in terms of the announcement until last night. we didn't know the content of the announcement until this morning when everyone else read it. >> reporter: wolf, the thing the white house says they did after learning about the contents of the announcement was work to get people who were scheduled to get the johnson & johnson vaccine in the coming days a moderna or pfizer appointment. that's something you're likely to see states still dealing with over the next several days as this pause is still very much in effect. the next thing people will be watching is a 1:30 meeting tomorrow with the cdc's advisory committee on vaccines. they'll be talking about what the next steps for the johnson & johnson vaccine are going to be, as they are reviewing these possible links with these blood clots, wolf. >> kaitlan collins at the white house for us. thank you very much. cnn medical analyst dr. leana wen is joining us, former baltimore city health commissioner, emergency room physician. thank you for joining us. you received the johnson & johnson vaccine less than two weeks ago. are you concerned for your own health? and what's your message to others who took this shot might be feeling uneasy tonight, based on what we now know? >> well, my message to my patients and also to myself, having just received the johnson & johnson vaccine, is that the blood clotting disorder that prompted the fda and cdc to put a pause on joh johnson & johnson, it's extremely rare. it's less than one in a million. that said, it's still the right decision by the federal health officials. actually, it should give everybody a lot more confidence in vaccines because we know even for something that's one in a million, they're willing to hit pause to do this thorough and careful investigation. i hope that people will have full confidence in the pfizer and moderna vaccines, which are a different mechanism from johnson & johnson and know that they've been given to over 100 million individuals without this kind of red flag. >> what symptoms should those who received the johnson & johnson vaccine be looking out for? when should someone contact their doctor, for example, with concerns? especially women, like you, between the ages of 18 and 48. >> two aspects. one is the when to look out for symptoms and the other is what to look for. the when he is really important. the when should be a few days to a few weeks after getting the johnson & johnson vaccine. if you just got the vaccine and now you're having fever, body aches, headaches, that's normal. that's expected. that's your body reacting and producing antibodies and their appropriate response. if you're two months out from getting the vaccine, you're probably not at risk. it's in that several days and weeks of that period. new and concerning symptoms, like a headache. if you normally have headaches, this is your normal headache, don't worry about that. if it's a new and worse headache, call your doctor for that. shortness of breath, abdominal pain, chest pain, swelling in one leg or redness in one arm over the other. those are types of things to call your interest for. >> how are you feeling? >> i feel just fine. and i really -- at this point, i'm more concerned about reassuring my patients and reassuring everyone. clinicians, too. we as clinicians only found out this morning, along with everyone else as well. that's part of the reason why the fda and cdc issued their guidance, to warn clinicians what to look out for. patients who have this disorder will be treated differently than patients who don't. >> good point. dr. wen, thank you, as usual. glad you're feeling fine. >> i'll speak to don lemon about the death of yet another unarmed black man at the hands of police in minnesota. there's donnie, standing by live. 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>> it is a collective pain. this is their community. this is what they know. this is the people they love. these are their neighbors. these are their friends. and i know this is a little esoteric, but writes of jewish people, marginalized people. african-american communities have this collective pain they have to deal with on a loop. and i think what people are feeling now is anxious in these communities. is this going to happen again? and rightfully so. look, ten miles down the road from where derek chauvin is on trial, where george floyd's life was snuffed out of him, now you have another unarmed black man who was killed by police. according to the police, a mistake. this is not just ten miles down the road. so, can you imagine the anxiety that the people in that community are feeling? and in other communities who, again, are retraumatized over and over again by these similar incidents. >> are you at all optimistic, don, that we potentially could see some sweeping, meaningful reform in this country? do you think any real head way has been made over the course, shall we say, of the past ten years? >> i don't think much headway has been made when it comes to this issue. i think at least with legislation. i do think, as far as awareness, real headway has been made. y think that these events are occurring in any greater number than they had before. i just think now in the advent of cell phones and instant cameras and people putting it on social media that we're seeing it. and i think it has brought an awareness to the american public that these things are real and it's not something that black people are making up. the headway is yet to be seen as far as legislation. i am positive that there is a precedent in place in this country, that has empathy and can push the congress and senate in a direction to make some changes. >> don, thank you very, very much. much more on this story later tonight on cnn tonight. 10:00 p.m. eastern, we watch every single night, don. thank you very much. >> thank you, wolf. up next, oath keepers had an armed, quick reaction force ahead of the capitol riot and surprising hideout for weapons. to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said... i got this. usaa insurance is made the way kate needs it - easy. she can even pick her payment plan so it's easy on her budget and her life. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. 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