i'm john king in washington. welcome to our viewers around the united states and the world. this is an incredibly moving ceremony at the united states capitol, officer william evans killed earlier this month lying in honor at the united states capitol. you see his colleagues on the capitol police force there waying tribute. his family members, including two young children moments ago. the president paying his last respects. the speaker of the house standing behind the president. officer evans, age 41, died a hero, protecting the united states capitol. an 18-year veteran of the capitol police force, died back on april 2nd, when a man now in custody intentionally rammed a blue sedan into the -- i'm sorry, that suspect later died at the hospital. you see the senate majority leader, the senate minority leader, the speaker of the house, the house republican leader now paying final respects to officer william evans in this moving ceremony at the united states capitol. and i'll transition for us, we're going to take you now momentarily back live to minneapolis as we watch this ceremony play out, officer evans died a hero on trial right now in minneapolis is an officer that the state of minnesota says is a murderer. derek chauvin of course on trial in the death of george floyd. you see right here this is officer peter chang, the fifth officer responding on the scene back in may in the death of george floyd. let's listen to the trial. >> in our store, but he's talking -- he was like, what the -- what would i get fake money from ? >> so ricardo, how are you related to floyd? how do you know him? >> he used to do security work at the salvation army, man. >> are you -- how do you know him? >> i don't know him. i'm telling you how, right there. >> okay. security work. >> so how are you guys together, then? >> we was getting a ride. >> so you two are together? >> no, i seen him in the store too, but that's not it. you know what i'm saying. >> how do you two know each other? how do you not know him when he said he's with you? >> he was getting a ride from him too and he told me come on, he'll give me a ride. >> okay, okay, stay put then. >> i don't need to -- >> that's good. >> is this all right here? >> just stay put, all right. >> he opened up fighting the -- >> this may get more difficult -- making it more difficult. >> he got -- because he was falling asleep a little bit, and then when he woke up they was -- >> how you doing? >> stampede, don't shoot. that's why i had my hands showing. >> officer, do you see the individual in the left-hand walking by? >> yes. >> you had no interaction with her at this point? >> no. >> you would agree that this is at 1:23 and 17 z of your body camera footage? >> yes. >> i had my hands showing though, but mr. -- >> me too. >> who's adam? >> i spent my money, i paid for my phone. >> i was getting a laptop, and it didn't work so he gave me my funds back. >> okay. >> you can come in and talk to him. >> okay, sure. >> do you mind if i get my little mask? >> what is it? >> my -- >> where is it? go ahead. >> huh? >> go ahead, just make it quick. face me. face me. >> yes, sir. yes, sir, yes, sir. >> get us in trouble for nothing. >> that's good. you guys don't have no warrants or nothing. after all this is settled you guys are good to walk. >> all this is settled? can you all just ask him? >> don't you hear your friend talking? you all know him. i can see him yelling and talking. >> to the store person. >> i'm waiting for my partners. got to talk to my partner and see what's up. >> he said he knew them too. so i was asking him did he know him. >> i know him very well. >> floyd, you know floyd? >> yeah, i know the people in the store very well. >> okay, that's good. >> 2313 washington street northeast there's a black male assaulting a female. >> officer, look right here at the door to see if -- >> that's it, man, ricardo, just the door. all right? nobody's come close to us. so right now we don't even have masks yet. right now nobody's coming close to us so we're good with the masks. >> oh, this is -- that he call her? did he call her? did floyd call her? is it a white girl? >> yeah. >> she short? >> yeah, right here. >> stay put, guys, all right. don't want to be involved in that. >> can you please just let us go? >> they did something. >> stay here, all right? >> they did something. taking pictures over there. >> yeah, i'm on the phone. everybody with floyd and -- i don't know, my daughter -- got her. just walked in with mr. adam and this guy. >> let's stay put here until my partners and them are done over there. we'll figure things out, all right? right now we're grabbing an ambulance for you, buddy, for floyd, okay, so right now he might have hurt himself. >> they hurt him? >> he might have hurt himself. all right? >> oh, god. >> who knows? >> hey, man, floyd just hurt himself. >> something happened, an ambulance here and everything. can i just see what you all did to him? >> shawanda -- >> he on the ground and everything. >> he on the ground? >> yes. >> where? >> right here. >> shawanda -- what was that? >> the one in the store. >> let's stay put, we'll figure it out all right, ricardo. >> oh, my god. >> what's this? why is he going to the hospital? >> oh, man. these guys -- >> shawanda, you're not helping. >> i'm just trying to figure out what's going on. >> once my partners get over here, they can explain to you guys, okay? >> can we get a make on the vehicle? >> where's his phone? >> it's in the car. >> take the car -- i don't want you to reach in the car. >> it's right there in the set. >> he'll get to his car once he's done with that, okay? his car is not going anywhere. >> trying to get a phone. >> yeah. >> don't go into the car. >> it's the front seat, sir i don't want you guys going to the car. that's it. >> what happened to him? i don't know. >> once my partners come over here, you guys can ask. all right? what? >> just go straight, man, it's tight here. you guys good? oh. i don't know. >> officer chang pausing the video for a second to the degree that the ambulance appears to be leaving at 1:30:21 z on your body worn cam? >> yes. >> to get that information - - >> here's a book, man. yeah, are you guys good with these two? >> i'm going to double check. >> there's a notebook. >> headphones in the car? >> his phone. he's already gone. he doesn't need his phone. is that his phone? put his phone back. >> put his phone back. >> he's gone, he went to the hospital. >> are you sure? >> put his phone back. >> do you know him, bro? >> yeah. what's up? >> taking advantage of somebody. >> what happened to him? why is he in the hospital? >> i didn't talk to them yet. >> you ran them? >> no, that man took our name. >> what happened to him? >> this is -- up. he -- up. >> he can't -- they kept him. >> what? what hospital are they taking him to? >> i tried. go and get in the car. you came with. get in the car. because i know you came here. >> they're good? okay, you guys are good. >> okay, thank you. >> two things i don't -- he said these two are good. >> that's -- truck, co-worker. if i get a phone, i can call her and tell her, sir. >> the car is going to stay put right here until we figure it out. >> you better lock it because his phone is sitting right there. >> it will stay put. my partner is going to come back. i don't know what the plan is with the car. >> do you mind if i just get his phone? >> i don't want you guys touching the car. [ sirens ] >> officer chang, you would agree that the time stamp on your body worn camera when the fire truck arrives is 1:32:50 z. correct? >> yes. >> i didn't hear nobody call fire. different call? who you guys here for? >> i don't think it's related. >> okay. >> i think this car -- when i got here they were -- the doors were open. so -- is he on his -- are you still red? >> yeah. being hostile. >> to know that ems to 1436 -- >> 1436? >> can you advise the fire department if they're still with you, they need to go to 36 -- park for an arrest. >> i got position. i've got to get in the car. >> officer chang you would agree that now the fire truck appears to be leaving. correct? >> yes. >> time stamp on your video is 1:35:06 z. correct? >> yes. subject to the court's ruling. now, a few follow-up questions here, officer chang, for you, it seems to me that you are walking around quite a bit. can you explain why is this. >> i was pacing back and forth just to make sure -- i was concerned for the officer' safety because of the crowd. i wanted to make sure that the officers were okay. >> did you observe other people at other locations besides where mr. floyd and the officers were? >> you could say at least one every corner of the intersection. >> did you observe people standing in the speedway parking lot? >> yes. >> and there were one or two people on the corner where you guys were? >> yes. >> and at least one person across the street to the west, right? >> yes. >> southwest corner. now, in terms of the general area, would you describe that as a pretty busy intersection? >> yes. traffic and foot traffic, yeah. >> so a fair number of cars, vehicles traveling through that intersection? >> yes. >> as well as a fair number of people on bikes or on foot walking past? >> yes. >> all right. ultimately did this pretty much end your involvement in this case? >> yes, that's correct. >> so you pretty much went back to your regular duties with the park police. correct? >> yes. >> based on that, your honor, i have no further questions. >> cross-examination. >> good morning, officer chang. >> good morning. >> just a few follow up questions for you. in the video we just watched, at one point when you were talking with officer thao it sounded to me like you asked him still red. >> yes. >> is that what you said? >> yes. >> what does that mean? >> if his body camera is still on? >> you were asking him if his was on? >> yeah. >> because you had yours on still? >> yes. >> and so officer chang when you're working for the minneapolis park police you go through the academy with city police recruits. correct? >> yes. >> and at that point when you're going through the academy do you know whether you're going to end up in the park police or the city police? >> when you first start the academy you already know who -- sorry, you already know who you are, yes, working for, yes. >> so as far as you know those recruits, you could be working with them some day in the future? >> on a straight. if we patrol the same area or precinct, yes. >> but when you start you could end up being a city officer just like them? >> no. so when -- initially when you first start you already get the offer from the employer. so i already received an offer from minneapolis park police prior to starting the academy. >> now, i get it. when you're in the academy you know you're going to be park police and the others may be city police. >> all right. >> but when you get out there on the streets while you monitor the parks, you also have authority to assist with calls outside of the parks? >> yes. >> so in terms of an average shift, let's say, you know, how often do you do this where you assist on a city police call? >> not often. unless we're close by. we don't -- i guess there's no calls at the parks. but we pretty much keep ourselves busy with the park system. >> but you know if you self-assign to help a city call you're not going to get in trouble from your supervisor for that? >> no. >> because that's all, you know, part of your responsibilities, you're allowed to do that? >> yes. >> and, in fact, when you're doing that, when you're working on the park police you have the same radio traffic, you're able to hear the same radio traffic as the city police officers? >> yes. >> and, in fact, i think we heard you refer to the city officers here as your partners, correct? >> yes. >> so when you're there you look to them as, you know, you're partners in working the scene. >> yes. >> and you would suspect that they feel the same way about you, i assume? >> yes. >> okay. and with this particular call you heard a request for backup. right, on can this call? >> yes. >> and because you heard some noise in the background you decided initially to go lights and sirens? >> yes. >> and to self-assign, i think was the term you used? >> yes. >> and at some point, though, on your way there you turned off your lights and sirens. right? >> yes. >> and that was before you actually arrived? >> yes. >> and when you arrived, i think we even heard as you're pulling up the officers already assigned call code 4. correct? >> yes. >> and what is your understanding or back on may 25th of 2020, what was your understanding about what code 4 means? >> scene safety. >> so it's under control. correct? >> yes. >> and when you got there you get out of your squad car. correct? >> yes. >> and you see two city officers? >> yes. >> and one who you later find out is officer kueng is speaking with mr. floyd. >> yes. >> and mr. floyd is sitting on the sidewalk against the dragon walk. >> yes. >> doesn't appear to be threatening in any way at that time, does he? >> no. >> doesn't appear to be agitated or upset in any way at that time? >> no. >> so right there, sitting on the sidewalk, he's pretty peaceful? >> yes. >> and when that happened you never heard the officers call for a code 3 to other officers responding? >> no. >> so they did not call the code 3. correct? >> no. >> that's -- we're doing this question thing. you heard later there was a call for code 3 on the ambulance, the ems, correct? >> yes. >> but there was never call for code 3 for the responding officers? >> i don't believe so, no. >> and when you arrived and got out, you are trained to assess the situation, correct? >> yes. >> and you did that as you're getting out of your squad car? >> yes. >> and when you did that, did you hear officer kueng ask mr. floyd for his name? >> i did, yes. >> and you heard mr. floyd give his full name? >> yes. >> spell it? >> yes. >> and his date of birth? >> i believe so, yes. >> and then you were asked to run that through your system and you were able to do that. correct? >> yes. >> so then you observed as the officers lane and kueng walked mr. floyd over to their squad car, correct? >> yes. >> and that's when you decided to move your squad car over to that area, correct? >> yes. >> and your intention there wruz to help those two officers with what they were doing? >> correct. >> but as soon as you got out they asked you to watch the scene with the dragon walk. >> yes. >> and you did that, at that location? >> yes. >> and once you walked back over there you really couldn't see what was going on with officers lane and kueng and mr. floyd? >> i believe at that time they still had floyd against the car i believe during that time, yes. >> so against the driver's side of the squad car. >> i believe so, yes. >> but once you walked over to the far side of the road by the dragon walk you could no longer see what was going on with mr. floyd? >> yeah, yes. >> you indicated that the crowd was getting louder and more aggressive. correct. >> yes. >> but you knew that there were no four officers over at that scene, correct? >> correct, yes. >> so your main focus was on watching those passengers. >> yes, in the car. >> and you assumed when you were doing that that those four officers were okay over there because there were four of them. correct? >> yes. >> and if they had radioed for help you would have heard it over your radio. >> yes. >> and they never radioed for help, did they? >> no. >> i have no further questions, your honor. >> anything further? >> no, your honor. >> thank you, you are excused. members of the jury we're going to take a ten-minute break while we check the availability of our next witness. it will probably be our last break before we break for lunch. ten-minute break, the judge is telling the jury and those in the courtroom a ten-minute break in the trial of derek chauvin, on trial in the death back in may of george floyd. you heard the officer, the fourth defense witness, the defense beginning its case today it have prosecution rested earlier this morning. let's bring in our law enforcement analyst and legal analysts who have been watching, including laura coates and charles ramsey, and the police commissioner in philadelphia. laura, the defense begins its case with officer chang, they wanted to show and got the judge's ruling to show his body camera footage including a lot of time at the scene. trying to get your perspective on what the defense is trying to show here, showing the crowd, the passers-by, the moments, yes, when mr. floyd was there with the police officer chauvin kneeling on his neck but then also an extended period of time after. why, in your view? >> you know, i'm actually confounded, john, as to why this strategy. they feel, is effective in doing anything besides moving the needle in favor of the prosecution. what we've learned this morning alone is that you've got an officer who had a previous encounter with george floyd, where george floyd survived, deadly force did not and was not used. you have a paramedic talking about how he was able to be coherent, did not have or complain of the heart trouble that we spoke about in the past and now we've got a fifth officer, remember that's important here. derek chauvin is on trial right now, three others are going to be tried later on this year. but we now have a fifth officer available, who said the crowd was unruly and distracting but not, even the fifth officer at the scene tried to get his help in any way, nobody radioed for more backup to the metropolitan police department, let alone the officer on scene, the crowd was so unruly that this officer never felt the need to intervene in any way, shape or form. i mean, this is one of those things, you think to yourself, why is the defense presenting statements, video evidence, that allows the jury to have another bite at the apple at watching this profoundly disturbing video, and understanding, we all know how it ended and they're letting it play again. i don't know why the defense would take this tactic at all. >> well, it's interesting you put it that way. we went through the last two plus weeks, methodical, in some ways repetitive but on purpose prosecution build. now we'll see how mr. nelson presents his case. we'll be talking later today or tomorrow about how to connect the dots. we doesn't have a lot to work with. you have 9:29 where george floyd is no longer resisting arrest and officer chauvin is kneeling on him. the defense is trying to bring in anything it can distract. the one thing it got of potential value rg let me put it that way, from officer chang is listen here, he did say when he arrived on the scene he was somewhat concerned about the officer's safety because of the crowd. listen. >> very aggressive towards the officers, yes. >> i was concerned for the officer's safety too, so i kept an eye on the officers and the car. individuals. >> we've watched the video. officer chang his perspective says they were very aggressive. we've watched the video. one or two shouting profanities. doesn't look very threatening, in law enforcement for 50 plus years. that point we know mr. nelson is going to say you may disagree with derek chauvin's call but he was distracted, worried about his life, et cetera. was that effective at all? >> i don't think so because it still doyles down to if you feel threatened you call for backup, call for help. it's understandable an officer who first arrives at the scene, hears people yelling, draws a conclusion that the crowd is hostile or aggressive. if he really felt that, one, he didn't go across to try to help the other officers. he never heard a call for assistance. he had four officers over there. he felt comfortable that the four could handle it. i mean, so, you know, for me, and i've been in situations where we've had hostile crowds. one of the first things you do is call for backup. now, hopefully you'll find out later you really didn't need the backup but you'd rather have it there and not need it than need it and not have it. that would be one of the first things you would do in a situation like that. people were yelling because of concern for mr. floyd but i didn't see anything, and i'm with laura, i mean other than a lot of getting dizzy watching him spin around a bit, and he's across the street, you couldn't see anything, i don't know what value that video added at all. >> all's i can see is it adds distraction or confusion. we'll see. mr. nelson is just beginning his case. see where he goes. laura, you mentioned, it's hard, you have to get the judge's ruling, the judge's ruling was narrow, to bring in a prior arrest of mr. floyd. there's relevance. so this morning we did see, and i want to play the footage here and have a little debate about its potential value to the defense. they brought in now retired police officer scott craton who a year before mr. floyd's death, back in may 2019, did pull him over at a traffic stop where he said he -- they were worried about some drug use and they were worried about initially mr. floyd was, again in the passenger seat and his hands. watch. >> okay, now slowly come on out. >> man. >> put your hand on your head. >> oh, man. >> relax then. you're not going to get beat up or nothing if you just follow what we're asking you to do. >> i apologize, man. >> so again, laura, you're left asking why. the defense brought this in. and you see george floyd there, yes, his hands were moving, the officer suspected he was trying to hide drugs or something, but he apologizes in the end, gets out, he is handcuffed, and he's taken into custody briefly. the paramedics came to see him peacefully and he was fine and the prosecution in the cross-examination said he was alive. right? he cooperated, right? so what could the probative value there, my take of being in a courtroom a long time ago was that the defense wanted to get in the fact that relax you're not going to get beat or nothing if you just follow what we're trying to do, that they're going to try to show him later but mr. floyd resisted in the later case. work? >> they're going to -- yeah, they're going to try to show, i think it's ineffective here, that there is some element of an m.o. where he's not compliant, where he is essentially somebody who, when officers approach him, he is purportedly combative and doesn't want to agree and has to be coaxed and convinced to do so. this was 2019, and it's odd to think that the defense would want to put into evidence this particular interaction where an officer was able to deescalate, and placate in whatever way, and comfort -- he said he needed to be comforted, george floyd, to help him understand that compliance was going to result in handcuffing and arrest and not some sort of grave bodily injury or death. contrast that to what you see with derek chauvin. remember, as mr. ramsey was speaking about last week, a lot of what was going on was the manipulation of the handcuffs by the officers in ways to exert pain for him to comply when he had no ability to comply and do anything else besides lay on the ground in a prone position unable to breathe. if you look at the two scenarios here it's befuddling to people that this would come in through a defense witness. as you said, john, this particular police encounter, which began similar to what we saw of the three other officers on scene with george floyd before derek chauvin got there, that both decided to have some guns be drawn, both sets of officers put them away, they did not use guns or tasers to try to gain compliance or try to subdue george floyd, and only distinction here is the defendant, derek chauvin and the application of deadly force. if in one scenario george floyd lives and in your client's scenario he dies, why on earth, as a defensive tactic, are you showing the video where he lives? >> and to that very point, chief, again we're watching now, the tables have turned, if you will, the defense is driving the witness, as it's calling the witnesses and the prosecution has to react and be nimble. we went through this last week, can mr. nelson be nimble, and now can the prosecution be nimble, to the point laura was making, why did he go back to this may 2019 rairs, watch here, with officer creighton and the paramedic involved, the prosecutors make the point laura was just making, mr. floyd may have done something wrong but in the end he cooperated and this was the result. listen. >> you're asking questions about what the other officers were doing. >> that's correct. >> your attention was focused on mr. floyd, correct. >> yes, it was. >> mr. floyd didn't drop dead while you were interacting with him, correct? >> no. >> nothing further. he didn't have a stroke while you were with him? >> no. >> he was never given narcan, correct? >> correct. >> he didn't stop breathing? >> no. >> his heart didn't stop. >> no. >> he didn't go into cardiac arrest? >> no. >> he didn't go into a coma? >> no. >> and you took him to the hospital, correct? >> correct. >> he was monitored for two hours and released right after? >> i don't know. >> nothing further, your honor. >> i wanted your perspective, chief, effective in my view of the prosecution using the defense witnesses to make the point laura coates just made, that the difference between arrest number one and arrest number two was derek chauvin. >> yeah, there's no question about it. if derek chauvin and the other three officers that handled george floyd like the officer in 2009 did we wouldn't be having this conversation now and so to me it's not anymore complicated than that. and so many similarities, please don't shoot me, don't do this, don't do that. similar to what happened then. they handled it totally differently. as a result, there was no injury to mr. floyd at all. fast forward to 2020, exact opposite took place. so i think it hurts the defense more than it helps them. i don't think it helps them at all to be honest with you. i never went to law school but i'm having trouble getting what the defense is trying to do here. just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> we'll watch, as i said we'll watch and see if there's a build we can't see at the moment. but at the moment i agree with you. the trial is going to resume any minute. we'll take you back there live when it does. big vaccine news today, the federal government deciding to put a pause, recommend a pause on administration of the johnson & johnson covid vaccine because of some rare cases, but some serious cases of blood clots. we'll be right back. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ back in black ♪ ♪ i hit the sack ♪ ♪ i've been too long... ♪ applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. dig in for just $8.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. dignity. it demands a rapid covid test, because we all deserve an answer. it demands a better understanding of your glucose levels, so you can enjoy movie night. and knowing your baby is getting the nutrition he needs, no matter how you choose to feed him. at abbott, we fight for these moments, developing life-changing technologies. because dignity demands it. ♪ ♪ (upbeat music) - [narrator] this is kate. she always wanted her smile to shine. now, she uses a capful of therabreath healthy smile oral rinse to give her the healthy, sparkly smile she always wanted. 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>> part of the reason, my sources tell me, is that there's a fear of a big psychological impact, that this vaccine rollout has been going well, very little of it is johnson & johnson and they don't want people's fears about this to take over because this is not a problem with pfizer. this is not a problem with moderna, and they kind of want to just settle this issue so that people know that the other two vaccines are okay, they are not associated with these blood clots. but let's take a look at the johnson & johnson numbers. it sort of paints a picture of just what we're dealing with here. nearly 7 million people have already received the johnson & johnson vaccine, that's actually a tiny number compared to pfizer and moderna. out of 7 million there were six cases of these rare and severe brain blood clots in women ages 18 to 48, symptoms appeared 6 to 13 days after vaccination with the j&j "vevaccine. if you're waking up this morning and thinking, oh, my gosh, i just had one of these vaccines, especially if you're a female in that age range. look for -- contact your health care provider if you've had the j&j vaccine within the past three weeks and you're experiencing severe headache, abdominal pain, leg pain or shortness of breath. part of the reason for the abdominal pain and the leg pain is there's a fear of other kinds of clots might come into play but the same mechanism that these brain clots have come into play. now, this is a dramatic step, that the fda and the cdc have made but one of the reasons, if that -- if god forbid something were to go wrong after someone gets the j&j vaccine there's a good chance the hospital, in the e.r., would actually give the wrong treatment. let's listen to peter marks from the fda and dr. ann -- from the cdc. >> treatment of this specific type of blood clots is different than other treatments, which involves an anti-coagulant called heparin. with this thrombosis it may be dangerous and alternative treatments need to be given. >> as we learned about the issue with appropriate treatment, and it was clear to us that we needed to alert the public. >> so the bottom line here is that this really is an immediate concern only for people who've had the j&j vaccine in the past three weeks. it's highly, highly unlikely one of those clots will happen but you do need to watch out for it. big picture as far as the vaccine supply goes, the federal government has made it clear that we can carry on and meet vaccine goals without having the j&j vaccine because it is such a small percentage of the u.s. vaccine arsenal. john? >> elizabeth cohen, thanks for the reporter and the very important context and insight. appreciate it much. any moment we're going to hear from the white house, dr. anthony fauci and the covid response director jeff zientz will speak momentarily. let's bring in kaitlan collins. my apologies, i need to go back to minneapolis now. the trial is resuming. here's the judge. >> your honor, for the record, the defense recalls officer nicole mckenzie. >> eapologies to our viewers, a we wait, we'll -- >> the use of the johnson & johnson vaccine, as they review data involving six reported u.s. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot in individuals after receiving the johnson & johnson vaccine. let me start by saying that this announcement will not have a significant impact on our vaccination program. the j&j vaccine makes up less than 5% of the more than 190 million recorded shots in arms in the united states to date. the president has always said that this is a wartime effort, we're at war against the virus. and as such we've mobilized a wartime effort so that we're prepared for a wide range of scenarios. and that's why the president took action earlier this year, before the j&j vaccine was even authorized, to secure enough pfizer and moderna doses for 300 million americans by the end of july. over the last few weeks we have made available more than 25 million doses of pfizer and moderna each and every week. in fact, this week we will make available 28 million doses of these two vaccines. and as we've done since we took office we will continue to get the supply out the door as soon as it's available. so we have more than enough supply of pfizer and moderna vaccines to continue the current pace of about 3 million shots per day. and that puts us well on pace to meet the president's goal of 200 million shots by his 100th day in office, and continue to reach every adult who wants to get vaccinated. we're now working with our state and federal partners to get anyone scheduled for a j&j vaccine quickly rescheduled for a pfizer or moderna vaccine and we're actually already seeing this happen today at sites across the country where j&j appointments are being adjusted that were for today to actually get moderna and pfizer today. so that's happening many places across the country. the president has committed to the american people that his administration will always lead with science, tell the truth, and give americans the facts as we know them. cdc and fda will continue to do just that and provide regular updates to the public, and they will do so as they continue their investigation. with that let me hand it over to dr. fauci and then we'll take questions. oh, sorry, let me get my mask. >> thank you very much, jeff. just to follow up a bit and maybe fill in a couple of points from what jeff said and what our colleagues in the fda and the cdc said earlier this morning at the press conference, a couple of issues come up of the importance of calling this pause because people say what does a pause mean? it allows the fda and the cdc to further investigate these cases to try and understand the wreck ni mechanisms, more detail in the history of those involved, it might shed some light on looking forward, what will happen and what we will do. that's the first thing. the other thing is to make physicians out there aware of this, and there are some clinical implications of that, that i believe are important. for example, if someone comes in with this really rather rare syndrome of -- where you get thrombosis, the most common way to treat that is with heparin. that would be a mistake in this situation because it could be dangerous and make the situation much worse. so there's a clinically relevant reason why you want to make this known to people. also, when individuals, particularly younger women who might come into a physician with a particular thrombotic phenomenon, things that -- we want to alert physicians to take a history of a recent vaccination. that would be important. so the pause not only allows us to take a look at the cases and learn more but it is also a signal out there to help the physicians. a common question, and i'm sure we'll have a number of questions which jeff and i will be happy to answer to you, but one of the questions that comes up already, rather frequently, does this have anything to do with the efficacy of the vaccine? so we know that there have been 6.85 million doses of j&j distributed in the united states thus far, so someone who maybe had it a month or two ago would say, what does this mean for me? it really doesn't mean anything. you're okay because if you look at the frame, the time frame when this occurs, it's pretty tight from a few days, six to 13 days from the time of the vaccination. the next question is one that we're all obviously aware of, what impact is this going to have about people's attitudes about vaccines in general? so you might know that there have been, now, 120 million people that have received at least one dose of a vaccine. most of that, subtract the 6.85 million, is in the messenger rna from pfizer and moderna. there have been no red flag signals from those. so you're talking about tens of millions of people who have received vaccine with no adverse effect. this is a really rare event. if you look at what we know so far, there have been six out of the 6.85 million doses, which is less than 1 in a million. so remember, this is something that we always, out of -- really out of an abundance of caution as jeff said to give us time to take a good look at it and see if we can get further information. i'll stop there and we can obviously take some questions. >> okay. >> you've described this as a really rare event but this does seem like a drastic step. do you believe that the scientists sufficiently weighed the benefits of this pause against the damage or risk that this could do to the broader effort and the impact it could have on vaccine hesitancy? >> well, dr. fauci, maybe you'll go after me but i want to say that we have plenty of supply. so i mentioned that we, for the last several weeks, have been sending 25 million doses out, and while we're averaging 3 million shots in arms per day, the 25 million supports actually that level and even accelerating, and we just sent out 28 million doses today, or announced 28 million doses will be sent this week to states, tribes, territories and through our federal channels so we have plenty of supply to continue our vaccination program and to hit our goals. >> i believe your question is -- did we pull the trigger too soon on this because it was such a rare event? well, you know, our fda is internationally known for their capability of making sure that we have the safest products out there, and that's what i meant when i said an abundance of caution. you want to make sure that safety is the important issue here. we are totally aware that this is a very rare event. we want to get this worked out as quickly as we possibly can, and that's why you see the word pause. in other words, we want to hold off for a bit and very well may go back to that, maybe with some conditions or maybe not but we want to leave that up to the fda and the cdc to investigate this carefully. i don't think it was pulling the trigger too quickly. >> just a logistical question, more so than anything, the advisory committee on immunization practices is meeting tomorrow to discuss this. >> right. >> why not try and meet today? is this not a moment to sort of drop everything and focus on this? >> you know, i think you have to get people pulled together. i think tomorrow is not such a long wait. i mean, i'm sure they want to get everybody. there may be people who are not available. they want to get the full component of it. >> can you talk about the process in both deciding for this pause, and sorlt sort of what comes next? did the white house have any advance notice of the issues with the j&j vaccine and what their involvement from the white house in deciding this and how do you evaluate when to pause vaccines, are we going to see more pauses in the future if more pauses pop up? >> do the first part and i'll do the second part. >> this decision was made by the cdc and the fda, and that's one of the things that's, i think, such a good thing about our system here is that we're ruled by the science, not by any other considerations. so the decision was really thoroughly made by the cdc and the fda. >> and staying consistent with following the science we were notified last night that there would be an announcement this morning and therefore had no other involvement other than knowing last night that there would be an announcement this morning from the fda and the cdc. >> in this review, what's going to happen? what are they looking for? what are they evaluating? when would we expect a conclusion is this. >> they want to see if there are any clues of other things going on. were there any underlying -- for example, hypothetical, if they're going to make a decision to go forward and say, we looked at this, if they find some common denominators among the women who were involved that might be sienabling this type o an adverse event they may know that for those who don't have that it may be much safer. there may be clues when you go down and really get granular about every single case, in addition they want to look at what some of the mechanisms are, if mechanisms may give insight as to what is going on. >> should we expect to potentially see further pauses in the future. could this keep happening with the vaccines because they're so new? >> you know, if you look at the history of -- take a look at what has gone on with the moderna and the pfizer, where you have, literally tens of millions, just watch this carefully, there have been no red flags. when you have a red flag of something that is as serious as thrombotic pennia, particularly when you have an individual, one of whom died, you take that seriously. so i don't think that minimal things that very likely have nothing at all to do with the vaccine that we're going to pull the trigger so quickly as to keep stopping and stopping and stopping. i think this is an unusual occurrence of a serious adverse event that you want to make sure before you go forward you investigate it thoroughly and that's exactly what they're doing. they're pausing. so that they can look at it more carefully. >> thank you. a couple for dr. fauci first. >> it's great to see you back at the podium, dr. fauci. given that the impacted patients were all women between the ages of 18 and 48, should women under 50 be excluded from getting the j&j vaccine? >> the question you're asking gets back to several questions here. that's the reason why the cdc and the fda want to take a look at this and say, are there some cat glories now where people outside of that categories don't have any of the factors, so it will be okay to go on, it is entirely conceivable, that there may be some restriction in an age group or not, we don't know that now. that's the reason why they're working very hard to answer the question you're asking. >> what's your medical advice for people who have recently received the

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