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Reporter an investigation is underway tonight. The streets are tense in the wake of the shooting. We have new information on how it unfolded, including new Police Body Camera video. We have to warn viewers this piece contains some video which some may find disturbing. On Police Body Camera video an officer in Brooklyn Center minnesota warns 20yearold dante wright not to try to escape. [ bleep ]. I shot him. Reporter after wright scrambled back into his vehicle, the officer fired into the car. Then, police say, wright drove off, drove several blocks, then struck another vehicle. Dante right died at the scene on sunday afternoon. The police chief said he was not aware of any weapons in wrights possession. Today the chief said it appears the officer had fired her gun by mistake. It is my belief that the officer had the intention to deploy their taser, but instead shot mr. Wright with a single bullet. This appears to me, from what i viewed and the officers reaction and distress immediately after that this was an accidental discharge that resulted in the tragic death of mr. Wright. Reporter officers are trained to have their handguns on their dominant side and their tasers on their weak side and said the officer mistakenly drew the wrong weapon, even though the chief said she is a senior officer. She had to reach across her body in an awkward way to get her taser. So reaching down and pulling out her weapon, which was a very different move and saying, i made a mistake, is unacceptable. Reporter retired lapd Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey says when a person is fleeing a scene in a vehicle, even tasing them is the wrong move. Any time you have a suspect attempting to flee, you have two choices. You can get ready to chase them on foot, or you enter your vehicle, as did this young man, and you engage in a vehicle pursuit. Reporter police say they pulled dante wright over because of an expired registration, then determined he had an outstanding warrant. Wrights mother said he was pulled over because he had Air Fresheners hanging from his rearview mirror. Hed be shot. Reporter the killing set off protests, confrontations with police and looting in Brooklyn Center. Law enforcement analysts incredulous this incident occurred in the same metropolitan area where george floyd was killed by police, even as the trial of the officer charged in floyds death is going on, a sentiment echoed by Brooklyn Centers mayor. We are in pain right now and we recognize this couldnt have happened at a worse time. Reporter mayor Michael Yacht S mike elliot fully supports the firing of this officer. The chief says i think we can look at the video and ascertain whether or not shell be returning. At the moment that officer is on administrative leave. Now to the murder trial of the former Police Officer Derek Chauvin. Our Senior National correspondent sara sidner on the scene for us in minneapolis. Court just wrapped up for the day, the prosecution getting close to resting after very emotional testimony today by George Floyds brother. Reporter absolutely. We heard from Philones Floyd who was extremely emotional talking about his big brother. As you said, the prosecution is getting very, very close to ending its case. Hef was a big mamas boy. Reporter George Floyds brother took the stand to tell the jurors who his brother was before his death sparked world wide protests. He was a person that everybody loved around the community. He just knew how to make people feel better. Reporter floyds Family Testimony is one of the last the jurors heard in the prosecutions case. The state will call dr. Jonathan rich. Reporter the prosecution started the day calling another medical expert, dr. Jonathan rich, an expert in cardiology who determined floyd died because of the officers actions. Do you have an opinion on whether george floyd would have lived if not for mr. Chauvin kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds . Yes. I do believe he would have lived. Reporter chauvins attorney tried to get the doctor to admit there were other possibilities, such as drugs or Heart Disease and floyds own actions. If mr. Floyd had simply gotten in the back seat of the squad car, do you think he would have survived . Had he not been retrained in the way in which he was, i think he would have survived that day. Reporter the prosecution is expected to rest soon. Then it will be the defenses turn to try and unravel the prosecutions case with their own witnesses. The prosecution again played the video of floyd being detained for the jury as they questioned another use of force expert. Looking at the Threat Analysis here, its clear from the number of officers and mr. Floyds position, the fact that hes handcuffed and has been searched, he doesnt present a threat of harm. Reporter and i just had a conversation with Philones Floyd. We saw him break down on the stand. He also told me that he hasnt been able to sleep during this whole trial and that the stress is almost too much to take, but they are standing strong because they want, as they say in their own words, justice for their brother george floyd. So heartbreaking for that family. Sara, stick around. Right now i want to get reaction to all of this from one of the lead lawyers for George Floyds family, justin miller. Justin, thanks for joining us. I know this has been toot difficult day. George floyds Brother Philones testified today sharing very personal stories about george floyd with the jurors. How meaningful is it for the floyd family that philones was able to testify . That might be the most impactful testimony so far, in my opinion. Weve heard a lot of technical stuff, excluding the testimony from the witnesses on the scene. That was impactful and showed george floyd as a person and not just a hashtag or somebody we keep talking about things happening to instead of somebody we talk about as a person and a real human being like all of us. The judge, peter cahill, says the defense will start its case tomorrow. What is the floyd family bracing for from those arguments . Like weve talked about in the past, Character Assassination will be on display and weve seen that in countless cases time and time again when the evidence is not on your side, they go straight to character. Weve seen them try to set this up from the beginning of this trial and even before that george floyd was a bad person, that he was on drugs, that he did this and did that to just hide the ball and keep everyone from seeing whats really important. And that that he was killed and it wasnt his fault and Derek Chauvin is a murder. This comes as minneapolis, the entire area is grappling with the Police Shooting of 20yearold dante wright just about ten miles or so from the courthouse. What does it say to you that yet another black man from this community has lost his life in a fatal Police Encounter as this trial unfolds . Wolf, when i was watching that happen, all i could think about was trauma. When youre an american and especially a black american, you dont get to deal with one trauma before you get another one. This is just another open wound, another trauma for america to deal with. Like i said, especially black americans. We havent had this trial finish, we havent seen the verdict. We are still going through it. We havent even gotten to the defenses arguments, which will be very, very hurtful and hard to watch. To have another incident is traumatic, but its kind of par for the course for america, unfortunately. There were peaceful protests for dante, but there was also some nonpeaceful looting going on. You saw the video. Whats the familys message to the community at this sensitive moment . I think the family is like everybody else, just in shock that this happened. Looting is never right. It is always wrong. But when you have this Emotional Trauma and you have people dealing with this, you know, different people deal with trauma in different ways. I am less concerned about the looting and more concerned about the Police Officer who killed that young man and more concerned about Derek Chauvin, Who Kneeled On George Floyd for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. The looting, the things that are stolen, these stores have insurance and they can be bought again, but these young peoples lives cannot be brought back. Justin miller, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Lets bring back sara sidner on the ground along with Bakari Sellers and paul callen. Jurors heard this very emotional testimony from George Floyds Brother Philones. Were you surprised the prosecution didnt use him as their last witness . Well, actually im kind of surprised. I was speaking to our good friend laura coates, because this is extremely rare. I want people watching to understand how rare it is to have a witness who is a Family Member play the role of a, quote, unquote, Character Witness, for lack of a better term. But it was so powerful, humanizing george floyd, not just being a corpse, not just being a dead body or somebody you saw on a video, but actually showing him being a brother, talking about him being a son. It was a very powerful piece of testimony, especially when you j juxtapose that with everything thats going to happen tomorrow. George floyd is going to be put on trial. The question is going to be asked why did George Floyd Kill himself by the criminal defense attorney. So when you juxtapose that, putting this human virtue on george floyd was extremely powerful. Its something they dont do around the country. I know in courthouses i practice in in north carolina, South Carolina and georgia, you dont get an opportunity to have that type of Character Witness or the prosecution doesnt get the opportunity to have that type of Character Witness for the victim. Paul, the defense will begin making its case tomorrow. The judge says closing arguments could start monday. What can we expect . What do you make of this timeline . Well, you know, in trials, particularly murder trials, the pendulum swings back and forth. I have to say that the prosecutors did a really powerful presentation in this case. They really put together a very detailed and evidencefilled production. They almost finished with the most emotional witness you could possibly have. I think i would have disagreed with them calling the brother second to last. I would have put him on last. But nonetheless, it was a good presentation. The defense, on the other hand, knocked a lot of holes in the prosecutors case. They raised some doubt or they tried to raise some doubt. Youre going to see them call Excessive Force witnesses. Youre going to see them call medical experts who will very, very strongly contest the medical evidence thats come in to date. I think youre going to see a different picture next week from the defense. I would be very surprised if it happened otherwise. At this point, the prosecution is really ahead in the case by a substantial degree, i think. Now its the defenses turn to come up with their witnesses. Sara, this is week three of testimony. How were the jurors, based on what you can see there, holding up after all the emotional testimony, the detail, sometimes very complicated medical information that has been presented . Reporter we only saw the jurors sort of become fidgety once in this entire time. Were now in the third week. That was when this ere was a lof Technical Information coming from those who were testifying, whether it be use of force or some of the medical witnesses. For the most part, this jury has been paying very good attention. They have been taking notes the entire time of the trial. So you have a jury that is attentive, thats paying attention, that is clearly taking this extremely seriously. Its what you want in a trial like this. We also should mention that because of what happened here, because of the officerinvolved shooting that left dante wright dead in a city just next to minneapolis and because of the unrest that caused, before the jury was even brought in today, there was an argument over sequestering this jury right now by the defense. He put a motion forward saying they need to be sequestered. Theyre seeing these protests and subsequent riots. He said they needed to be sequesters so this didnt affect their decision making. The judge said no. He said, all the jurors were asked specific questions about whether they could concentrate just on the information theyre learning in court and nothing else, and each and every one of them said they absolutely could do that, they could be impartial not matter what was happening in the community, they could concentrate on just the information they were being given in court and thats what they intended to do. The community on edge with this trial. Sunday another black man was killed by a Police Officer who says that she mistook her gun for a taser. How does that happen . I dont know, wolf. I mean, you have to laugh so you dont cry. This is not an accidental shooting. And i hate that framing. This is reckless and negligent at best. I mean, its a reckless, negligent homicide. Again, i mean, i have to go back to, you know, i know these lawyers who are representing the George Floyd Family and justin miller, who you just had on, this is a perpetual state of grieving if youre black in this country. You think about the Army Lieutenant who was pulled over who had the wherewithal to pull to a welllit area and start his own camera and then he was maced. They tried to convince him that it was his fault. You have this Chauvin Trial where you have 9 minutes of a knee on your neck. Then you have this young man who was getting back in his car who was pulled over for a minor traffic offense, who had minor outstanding warrants. Resisting the police is not a Death Penalty crime. Then you want to tell me to my face and have me believe that you are an experienced officer, but you accidentally mistook your taser for your gun. You know, i mean, its unacceptable, wolf. Its hurtful. Its tragic. But, you know, one thing that it is thats more than all of those things is unfortunately, wolf, its american. This has become so american where we have black People Killed at the hands of Law Enforcement. Were supposed to grieve. We hit the streets, then we have a trial, we pray for justice and then we do it all over again. Paul, were showing live pictures coming in from Brooklyn Center, only about ten miles or so from the courthouse where the Chauvin Trial has been going on. You see people protesting there raising their support for dante wright, the 20yearold killed by the police. The police chief in Brooklyn Center says it was an accident, it was accidental. But a man is dead. What sort of charges do you think potentially could apply here . Well, you know, wolf, bakari summed it up very well as to the real tragedy involved in a case like this and particularly for black america i think its a horrific thing. Its not going to get any better, because ill tell you from the standpoint of what applicable criminal charges are likely, were really looking at a maximum charge of manslaughter in the second degree, if it is charged at all as a crime. My bet is that it wont be. Its going to be viewed as an accident. There might be a civil case for money damages, but i think its very, very unlikely that even a Manslaughter Conviction would be handed down in the case. As the police chief says, it looks like an accident and accidents generally are not a crime. Well see what happens on that front. Theres a lot going on. Thank you very much. Were also getting new information right now on a deadly shooting at a tennessee high school. We started with computers. We didnt stop at computers. We didnt stop at storage or cloud. We kept going. Working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. And help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. 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Get out of the car now sir, just get out of the car work with us and well talk to you. You received an order. Obey it. Im honestly afraid to get out. Yeah, you should be. Get out get out whats going on . What did i do. I have not committed any crimes. Youre not cooperating at this point. Youre under arrest. You being detained. For a traffic violation, i do not have to get out of the vehicle. You havent even told me why im being stopped. Get out of the car get your hands off me. Get your hands off me. I didnt do anything. Dont do that. Sir, get out of the car now. Dont do that. Get out of the car now im trying to talk to you. Get out of the car. Can you please relax . Can you please relax . Get out of the car right now. This is not how you treat a vet. Im actively saving this country, and this is how youre going to treat me . I didnt do whoa, hold on. Hold on. Watch it. Get out of the car get out of the car now thats [ bleep ] up. Thats [ bleep ] up. Im trying to breathe. Get out of the car Police Reports from the officer say nazario was pepper sprayed because he failed to comply with their orders to get out of the car and struck one of the officers when he tried to open the door. His lawyer says those statements are false and the video contradicted those statements. One of the officers Joe Gutierrez was fired after an internal investigation. Lets talk about this with the former Homeland Security secretary jeh johnson. Hes also the former c er couns the department of defense. I know this hits home to you. The man in that treatment was wearing a u. S. Army uniform, an active duty lieutenant. Tell us what went through your mind watching that video. It was painful, wolf. It does hit me very personally. I have a son the age of second lawsuit nazario, who is an active duty member of the United States coast guard. Two years ago he was stationed in norfolk, virginia. He may well have traveled that very road and very often he would commute to and from work after a day of training wearing his military fatigues, just like the Second Lieutenant was. Wolf, i cannot tell you that my son, who was very respectful of Law Enforcement, very respectful of law and order, as i am i, would have behaved very differently than Second Lieutenant nazario. He displayed his hands. He said, what is this about, what is this about . And he was treated like a thug. It should never be the case in our nation that the person on the pointed end of the gun has to say to the Peace Officer relax, calm down. It should never be that way. So the common problem across all of these acts of Excessive Force by the police is there are far too many Law Enforcement officers in this country who have no business carrying a gun in a moment of crisis. And there is far too few instances of training and tactics of deescalation. Its not always it shouldnt always be the case where the officer escalates, escalates, escalates into something lethal like this. That area in virginia, i know it well, you know it well. Its a very military area. A lot of active duty Military Personnel from the army, the navy, the air force, the coast guard. Absolutely. You see a young man like that wearing the u. S. Army uniform. Youre the form general counsel at the department of defense. You would think they would show at least a little bit of respect. Wolf, i think its time that in this country we acknowledge that a white person in the same uniform would not have been treated the same way, would not have been regarded the way Second Lieutenant nazario was regarded by these two Police Officers that night. Youre right, that part of virginia, that part of Eastern Virginia just outside of the Norfolk Hampton area is filled with military. Every service has a presence there. So if youre a Law Enforcement officer, you see somebody wearing the uniform of our nation, you should give them a break, give them the benefit of the doubt. Dont assume this person is a dangerous actor. I believe that the windsor, virginia, Community Police force owed not only the Second Lieutenant an apology, but owes the entire United States army an apology. That was an assault on the individual and it was an assault on the uniform. It certainly was. Its heartbreaking to see these things go on and not even a year after George Floyds death sparked these national protests. Another black man was shot and killed by police in the minneapolis area. Weve got a protest underway there right now. Were showing some live pictures from Brooklyn Center, about ten miles from the courthouse where the trial is going on. How much do these repeated incidents erode trust . Well, tremendously, obviously. After the reports that the officer apparently thought she was using her taser, i called a good friend of mine who was a retired Law Enforcement officer at the federal and local level and i said how can this happen . Doesnt Law Enforcement train not to mistake their taser for their Lethal Weapon . You would think that the taser is positioned someplace different on the belt so that you dont make that very basic mistake. Thats the type of mistake for which there ought to be Zero Tolerance for. So its a shocking thing. We cant just simply brand that an accident. You give Somebody A Badge and a gun, you give them the training for uses of lethal force. And to see someone shot on the mistaken belief that the officer had a taser and not a Lethal Weapon, thats more than an accident. Its heartbreaking for that family. What were seeing is so, so sad. While i have you, mr. Secretary, let me turn to a separate Police Incident in georgia where Police Officers were shot at and injured in a highspeed police chase. As we know, being a Police Officer is a dangerous job. How do you balance those concerns when reforms are so badly needed . Good question, wolf. I think thats the essence of the inquiry that our nation needs to look at. Its the essence of the conversation that we need to have. But for every incident like georgia, like minnesota, like virginia, there are dozens of other incidents where an officer encounters a civilian over a 20 bill, a package of cigarettes and peacefully resolves the situation. I know that from my own experience as the secretary of Homeland Security from d. O. D. And frankly as a civilian living my entire life in this country. But there are far too many incidents that escalate into something lethal and dangerous. We need to think about who we recruit into our nations Law Enforcement and we need to think about more and more and ive been saying this over and over on your network and others tactics in deescalation so that officers are not simply escalating the situation to something dangerous where they encounter somebody with a temporary License Plate or a counterfeit 20 should not turn into something dangerous and lethal. Those are not death sentences, to be sure. Well said, mr. Secretary. Thank you so much for joining us, jeh johnson with some personal thoughts. Thank you. Obviously an unpleasant situation unfolding. Thanks very much. Coming up, Congressman Matt Gaetz denied a meeting with former President Trump as the congressman faces a sex scandal. Plus, theres Breaking News. A suspect in a Deadly School shooting now in custody. Comfort in the extreme. The lincoln family of luxury suvs. Right now we have some Breaking News comes out of tennessee. At least one person has died and a Police Officer has been injured at a shooting in a high school in knoxville. Shots were fired when an officer approached the suspect at the scene. The mayor says the injured officer is conscious and will need to undergo surgery. One person has been detained for questioning. No word yet on a motive. Police say there is no longer an active threat to the school. Well update you when we get more information. Now to the scandal surrounding republican Congressman Matt Gaetz of florida and new evidence that his loyalty to donald trump is not necessarily paying off. Our senior washington correspondent joe johns has our report. Im built for the battle and im not going anywhere. Reporter florida Congressman Matt Gaetz Standing Firm in his denial as the federal investigation into Sex Trafficking Allegations continues. The smears against me range from distortions of my personal life to wild, and i mean wild, conspiracy theory. Reporter sources tell cnn gaetz was recently denied a meeting with former President Trump at his maralago resort. Aides telling the president not to stick his neck out for gaetz, according to two people familiar with the matter. Both sides have publicly denied that the congressman made the request. They are really coming for me. Theyre coming for you. Im just in the way. Reporter gaetz speaking friday at a deserve group event at trumps doral golf course property. This past week has been full of encouragement from President Trump, Marjorie Taylor green and jim jordan. Reporter Trump Holding an rnc fundraiser at maralago highlighting several republicans but did not Mention Gaetz. But trump did Mention Gaetz in a short Statement Last week denying the congressman sought a blanket pardon, writing it must be remembered that he has totally denied the accusations against him. Trumps remarks at the fundraiser recounting debunked claims the 2020 election was stolen saying the results were bs and calling Mitch Mcconnell an s. O. B. And a loser for not doing more to change the outcome, according to a person in the room. He also took aim at former Vice President mike pence, saying he lacked courage. And he mocked dr. Fauci saying everyone should call the Coronavirus Vaccine the trumpzine. Looking into allegations including sexual must conduct, illicit drug use, sharing inappropriate images on the house floor, among others. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi put the onus on Republican Leadership to take action against gaetz. I think theres been a clear violation, but its up to the Ethics Committee to investigate that and its up to the republican leader, mr. Mccarthy to act upon that behavior. Hi, everyone. Reporter congresswoman liz cheney. Defeat liz cheney in this upcoming election and wyoming will bring washington to its knees reporter who was fiercely criticized by gaetz for voting to impeach trump following the capitol riot. She stopped short of calling for his resignation. As the mother of daughters, the charges certainly are sickening. Reporter and we saw some defiance from matt gaetz today on social media, saying he hasnt begun to fight, just one more indication he has no intention of stepping down or stepping aside as the scrutiny on his alleged behavior continues. Wolf. Joe johns, thank you very much. Lets get some more on all of this from two prominent republicans, former Governor John Kasich and commentator jeff flake. The former president is still recycling so many of the false claims about the election hes been making since november. Does it matter to his base or his donors that he seems to be having nothing new to offer them . You know, its amazing to me, wolf, that they sit in this room and hear more name calling, more divisiveness, more anger. I mean, how do you expect to sell something to voters when youre just divisive and angry and name calling and belittling . The party needs to move to a set of issues that will improve the lives of americans, and so far i havent heard any of what they plan to do. As far as im concerned, the party is going to continue to shrink and not connect. Its interesting, senator flake, that trump criticized his former Vice President mike pence over the weekend, saying pence lacked courage. Yet pence continues to publicly defend trump. Is it time for pence to realign his loyalty . I think that ship has sailed. It should have happened long ago. If matt gaetz is wondering whether the president will be loyal to him, he need only look at mike pence, who was unfailingly loyal for four years. And then in the final act did what he needed to do, what he should have done in declaring the election over. And that was too much for donald trump. So, yeah, i would have liked to have seen it long before now, yes. Its interesting, governor kasich, sources tell cnn trump declined to meet with Congressman Matt Gaetz whos down in florida not far from maralago as the scandal around him is intensifying. Is this where trump, you believe, draws the line . Come on, wolf. This is all so nuts down there, right . They got a bunch of people that come in. They all say the same thing. Its basically negative. Its attack on the other side with very few answers of what we need Going Forward to help the american people. Donald trump out there attacking and name calling the leader of the senate. Its a mess. You know, its so ugly. You know, whats interesting, though, is because if you check history and im sure jeff would agree with this its possible that republicans will win the house, win the majority back. Well see, but i hope they wouldnt see a victory like that as somehow justifying where they are and where theyre been. Theyre not offering anything. Frankly, i think the democrats have to be very careful that they dont continue to trend to the left and spend money on things we simply cant afford. Its a Mess In American Politics today. And the only way to get back to it is to have a moral underpinning that can allow us to solve problems for real people across america. Weve been hearing a lot from john boehner, the former republican speaker, senator, talking about how the Republican Party needs to get back to its roots, the party of boehner. Do you think that party still exists . I think there are a number of republicans, a lot of republicans who want the get back there. John was right. What went on in maralago, it plays well to the base, but its a shrinking base. And if we want to be successful in future elections, then we have to do more what john boehner is talking about. Weve got to appeal to a broader electorate. That shouldnt be hard to figure out, but thats what weve got to do. Guys, thank you very, very much. Coming up, Tens Of Thousands of Russian Military forces are now amassing along its border with ukraine, increasing tensions there and alarming u. S. Officials. Cnn has an exclusive report from the front lines. You dont want to miss this. Well be right back. Dy dreams in conventional thinking. It didnt get us to the moon. It doesnt ring the bell on wall street. Or disrupt the status quo. Tmobile for business uses unconventional thinking to help you realize new possibilities. Like our new work from anywhere solutions, so your teams can collaborate almost anywhere. Plus Customer Experience that finds solutions in the moment. 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Secretary of state Anthony Blinken says russia Must Immediately cease its aggressive military buildup. Cnns Senior International correspondent Matthew Chance is in ukraine with an exclusive report from the front lines. Matthew, tensions between these two countries are very high right now. Update our viewers. Reporter thats right. There are concerns being expressed across the board as well by the United States, by other allies in europe as well. We have an amazing opportunity to tour the front lines with the ukrainian president and cnn gained unprecedented access to the ukrainian. It has been a long time now, seven years of this war. How are the soldiers . Are they old enough . Longer than the second, its complex network and muddy trenches and the socalled line of contact. It looks more like the first world war. I mean we have ended this war off of trenches that had been dug along the front line. I can tell you, it is like being thrown back to the early 20th century and the great war. I have not seen anything like this in modern warfare. This is modern. Reality of confrontation with moscow and its proxy. Is there a chance that the russians could be planning an inv invasion . Of course. We know it. We know it can be. We know because theyre on our land and territory. Reporter this is why the ukraine and the western allies are so alarmed. Cell phone footage emerged of armed columns like this one and of Military Hardware being transported by rail towards the border. Ukrainian officials tell cnn they estimate more than 50,000 russian troops. Moscow says it is just an exercise and not a threat. Back of the line of contact, there is a deadly up surge out here even the president runs for it. We are going to run for it, right . Reporter come on, lets go. We are very close to the separatists. Thats amazing. Reporter so we come so close to the front line between Ukrainian Forces and the russian back separatists, the president and i had to run to the open to get to this cover. The situation is so volatile and potentially dangerous here. On a complex to ending this, president zelenski says he risk the hot spot. What ukraine needs is more assistance from washington and more weapons join nato. Supported words from president biden, simply no longer is enough. Ukraine need more than words. Reporter can i ask the followup on that. That may make the conflict in this country even worse. It would infuriate. I can tell you and answer you. Maybe you are right but what do you hear and what our people do here, they fight. So what can we do in the future . We decide where to be or where not to be. To be or not to be. Thats as they say the question rather how much u. S. Support can the ukrainian now expects and the running drama being played out in this theater of war. Reporter tony blinken will meet the ukrainian president to discuss russia at the nato headquarters later this week. Matthew chance, thank you. Well have more news after this. T understand why. 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