well, two consent to searches of squad 320, correct? >> yes, sir. >> i want to be very clear about something. when you talk about the second search of the squad 320 -- >> yes. >> -- you -- prior to that second -- the defense request to view, right? >> yes. >> squad 320 had been in the bureau of apprehension secure storage from may -- effectively may 25th, 26th, all the way until january when that was done, right? >> yes. not outside our headquarters. >> at the secure storage location? >>y ekt. >> no one -- the defense would not have had access to that unless you or another representative, the bca was present, is that correct? >> that is correct. >> it is common, is it not, in your investigations for defense attorneys to ask to view pieces of evidence, right? >> yes, it is. >> and it's permissible? >> yes. >> and that was done in this particular case, right? >> yes, it was. >> and you weren't present at that. that was agent phil, i believe, present? >> correct. >> along with scott mueller? >> correct. >> and i just want to make sure you're not suggesting that the defense somehow put pieces of pills into that squad car? >> no, sir, i'm not suggesting that. >> and, in fact, it would have been the agents who were present to cut the seal on the squad car, correct? >> yes. >> all right. and the defense isn't necessarily allowed to touch or manipulate or do anything to that squad car? >> that is correct. >> so part of the overall investigation, again, included getting surveillance video from area businesses, right? >> correct. >> including the speedway across the street? >> yes, sir. >> and some of the video is of higher quality than others, right? >> that is correct. >> and then also identifying people who were present in obtaining cell phones of those, right? >> correct. >> and just lots and lots and lots of stuff that happened? >> yes, sir. ultimately when you first got involved in this case as the lead case agent, you had a very limited piece of information, right? >> yes, sir. >> that was information that was gleaned from the dispatch, it was gleaned from, you know, just basic what's called public safety reporting, correct? >> correct. >> an individual had been detained. that individual passed away. and you began the normal critical incident process, agreed? >> that is correct. >> which includes securing the scene, right? >> yes. >> it includes securing potential evidence, correct? >> yes. >> and it includes interviewing witnesses? >> that is correct. >> and the critical incident policies of the bureau of criminal apprehension was followed in this particular case, right? >> yes, sir. >> now, when you conducted the first search of the mercedes-benz back on may 26th of 2020, you were present when that happened, right? >> from -- some of the time. >> but another crime scene analyst would have taken photographs, looked at things and preserved that both digitally by way of photographs plus keeping the actual evidence, right? >> yes, a bca agent took the photographs. >> that's mackenzie -- >> no, joseph o'brien. >> he was also a part of the crime scene? >> yes. >> so your job was to investigate the case, right? >> yes. >> did you review those photographs? >> exactly. >> did you specifically take note at that time of the presence of pills in the merced mercedes-benz? >> of the 750 photos i reviewed, i did not. >> so it's not that you didn't preserve the evidence, you just didn't notice it? >> correct. >> again, based on what you learned about what happened in this case, you weren't looking -- necessarily looking for anything of that nature, right? >> correct. >> because ultimately whether it was relevant or not relevant is to be determined, right? >> yes, sir. >> and you testified that you did watch all of the body camera footage? >> yes, sir. >> but initially other agents because in terms of the body camera footage in this case, you would agree that it's extensive. >> very much so. >> in the sense of after this incident, something like eight or ten minneapolis police officers were on the scene, right? >> correct. >> they were securing the scene from roughly, you know, 9:00 in the evening until 3:00 in the morning, right? >> correct. >> and all of those minneapolis police officers, pursuant to policy, had body-worn cameras on? >> that is correct. >> so roughly five to six hours of body-worn camera footage for all of those. >> approximately. >> and so -- and then there's all of the video, the surveillance video. it takes a lot of time to do this, right? >> yes, sir. >> and this investigation would be different than a lot of other investigations, wouldn't it, in terms of officer-involved uses of force? >> in what way, sir. >> well, this investigation was occurring simultaneously to a court process, was it not? >> yes, sir. >> normally an investigation is completed and then it's submitted to some prosecuting organization and they review it and they make determinations, right? >> correct. >> that is all of the officer -- or the majority of the officer-involved incidents you've been involved with, how it's commonly occurred, right? >> yes, sir. >> and so in this particular case, things were unusual because of that. >> that is correct. >> and so information in may or june was not known until some time until november, december, january, et cetera. >> that's correct. >> and so there has been a sort of changing dynamic in terms of the investigation? >> correct. >> in terms of the videos you have watched, you did testify that you watched the dragon wok video. >> yes. >> and we need to sort out some exhibit number stuff on that real quick. but i want to bring your attention back to -- i think this is exhibit 122. if we could public sh -- i'm gog to ask you to watch -- sorry. 20:25:59. it's the -- let me just -- >> 122? >> 127. >> 127. >> permission to publish. i'm going to ask you, sir, to watch when officer chauvin stands up, i'm going to ask you to watch mr. floyd's left -- what would be his left arm, okay? >> yes, sir. >> sorry. so we'll start, for the record, at 20:26:03. >> bro, check his pulse. >> check his pulse. >> i'm sorry. i'm at the wrong spot. let me take this down. i apologize, your honor. i had the wrong exhibit pulled up . >> it is the right exhibit, 127. i'm going to ask you, sir, just to watch the left arm of mr. floyd on the left side of the screen. >> i'm sorry. the body-worn camera -- >> the body-worn camera side. did you observe mr. floyd's left arm on the ground underneath mr. chauvin's right knee? >> i believe i did, yes. >> and when mr. chauvin stood up, mr. floyd's arm sort of came up, right? >> can i see that again, please? >> sure. hit just back ten seconds and start. >> it's hard because of this bar. let's try one more time. >> okay. >> can you see that? >> what was the question? repeat the question, please. >> do you observe mr. chauvin's right knee to be compressing mr. floyd's left arm? >> clarification. i think from what i see here, it was mr. chauvin's shin that was compressing the arm and the knee was actually on the back. >> that's what you believe you see? >> yes, sir. >> okay. but nevertheless, mr. floyd's left arm, the triceps area, was in between mr. chauvin's either knee or shin, right? >> yes. >> did you review and study the body-worn cameras, like, very closely yourself? >> i've seen all of them. i reviewed some -- most of them closely, yes. >> and did you attempt to understand and hear what various parties were saying at various times? >> yes. >> did you ever say, i eat too many drugs? >> no. >> i would like to publish exhibit 1007. i'm going to ask you, sir, to listen to mr. floyd's voice. did you hear that? >> yes, i did. >> did it appear that mr. floyd said, i ate too many drugs? >> yes, it did. >> in the videos that we watched, both on direct examination and we've seen throughout the course of this case, there appears to be a liquid forming underneath the vehicle, correct? >> yes. >> and that that liquid stream goes out into the street towards the curb behind the back of the squad car, correct? >> that's correct. a >> and it's fair to say that liquid coming from -- appears to come from underneath the vehicle, correct? >> that is correct. >> and depending upon your perspective, correct, that appears that that could have been urine coming from the body of there floyd? >> yes, sir. >> but we can see, based on this, this that was actually probably condensation from the running squad car, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and that's common when a squad car is running air conditioning or whatnot, right, condensation drips from the bottom of the muffler or exhaust system? >> yes, sir. >> and you would agree that that's what that trail of liquid appears to be. >> yes, sir. >> i have nothing further subject to the discussion we need to have about an exhibit. >> mr. frank . >> agent reyerson, with a hybrid, would the -- not sure how to say this right -- can the air conditioning run with just the battery and not the gas engine? >> yes, it would. >> and you were asked to look at a very short clip of a body-worn camera and asked, i assume for the first time, what mr. floyd was saying there? >> yes, sir. >> were you played before that what questions were asked or things said by the officers before mr. floyd says that? >> i don't recall rate now. >> it wasn't part of that video, was it, what occurred beforehand? >> no. >> did you ever try to listen to that piece of audio and figure out what mr. floyd was saying? >> i did not, no. >> that was an exercise mr. nelson asked you to do for the first time sitting there? >> yes, sir. >> without reviewing the conversation beforehand? >> yes, sir. >> you were asked about the moment where it appears mr. chauvin's right knee is on mr. floyd's back just before he gets up? >> yes. >> in that, did you notice whether mr. floyd's shirt moved? >> yes, it moved. >> from what? >> from mr. chauvin's knee. >> you were asked to describe this as an unusual case because the investigation kept going on while there was a court process. >> yes. >> is it the typical process, then, when you investigate a case to hand it over and then be done with it and never work on it again? >> no. >> when you turn over an investigation, is it common to continue working on that investigation throughout the court process? >> yoe. >> have you ever in your career conducted investigations said to a charging authority, sorry, my work's done on the case, i'm not going to work on this any further? >> no. >> in fact, some of the ongoing investigation that you did was essentially at the request of the defense attorneys? >> that is correct. >> and i'm referring, just to be clear, i don't want to misrepresent anything, but based on defense attorney saying that vehicle? >> correct. >> what mr. nelson is asking you, you're not saying in any way they put that there? >> no. >> that's all i have, your honor. >> anything further? >> are you a car mechanic? >> no, sir. >> do you have a hybrid vehicle? >> no, sir. >> you understand that this squad car has both an engine, like an internal combustion engine that runs on gasoline and a battery, correct? >> yes, sir. >> whether the vehicle was running on the battery or the gas engine on may 25, 2020, you would have no way of knowing, correct? >> correct. >> no further questions. >> let's take a ten-minute break so we can discuss this issue or -- all right. members of the jury, we're going to give you a ten-minute break. >> okay. wow. elie and cedric, join me. i want to go through a lot of this. this is really important. elie, let me start with you. big picture strategy. talk me through what we just witnessed. >> yeah, three crucial points. first of all, there's this dispute about whether george floyd can be heard on the tape saying, i ate too many drugs. the defense lawyer asked an earlier witness who said, i don't hear that. when he played the tape both this morning and now, i didn't hear it. this witness says, yes, i did hear that. that's a big problem for the prosecution. ultimately this will be up to the jury whether they hear it. this jury is going to listen to that tape -- >> pause on that thought. before you get to number two and three. cedric, i want to pivot over over to you. do you it, if you are a law enforcement officer and you're someone about to arrest someone, how often do you have that person all of a sudden swallow a bunch of drugs? >> not very often. it certainly does happen, but not very often be. you know the issue here is for me, brooke, the defense is going to take any little piece of information that they can and make it into something bigger than what it is. and i can only imagine to create doubt. but the important thing is here that really -- that's very, very striking to me, when they play back the video, they take the video and bring it down to the smallest millimeter of a second, let's say, for an example, but the reality of it is, you have to look at it in its totality to really make sense. other than that that, you break it all the way down, you can make any kind of case you want to. >> pivoting back to you, elie, i wanted to go on the micro of eating too many drugs. point two. >> there's this issue about the finding of the pills in the police car. the sequence is, after the incident happened, the police seize both relevant cars, the mercedes george floyd was in and the police car. they did a complete search or what they thought was a complete search of both cars. did not find any pills. the defense lawyers then said months later, we would like to inspect those cars ourselves and they found pills or a pill in the police car at that point. nobody is claiming -- both sides made it clear, nobody is claiming that pill was plant by the defense. they just missed it the first time through. >> point three. >> point three is this arm movement. again, i had a little trouble following the defense lawyer. he seemed to be setting it up and this is to cedric's point about isolating the incident. he seemed to be setting it up to say george floyd's arm moved after the fact, if so would have been an important moment. when he showed the video, i didn't see it. that will be up to the jury. on redirect the witness said, well, that movement appears to have been related to derek chauvin's movements upon the body. >> cedric, do you want to jump in. >> i agree totally with elie. i think we'll see more and more of this, particularly with this -- with this witness, the investigator that's on stand now that is answering these questions. here again, for me, as a law enforcement person, and a citizen that's out there looking at this case objectively as you can, even though it's very emotionally driven, if you break each one of those slides down to a millimeter, you can always try to, i guess, make a case of that, but you've really got to look at things in their wholeness, in their totality. another piece about this whole drug piece, you go back -- i can only imagine if you're the defense or whoever you may happen to be in this case, you go back and you try to find anything that you can to try to go against the charges that have been presented or have been put on your client. because, yes, you go through someone's car that maybe has a history of drug use, yes, you may find a pill. that pill could have been in there for two or three years. you may find a roach, a small piece of a marijuana stick, if you will, that may have been there for some long period of time. it doesn't mean also whether mr. floyd left them in there or not. it could have been left in there by somebody else. so, you know, the whole idea here, and certainly i've heard elie and other attorneys say this as well, too, you build that case around doubt, but the reality of it is, when we look at that video in its totality, and from the time it began up to the time that it ends, it just is going to line up, i think, with the case the defense is trying to make. but this case is going to get very, very interesting, as i've stated before, when we get to the science of this, the physiology of this. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about that. let me get a commercial break in. let's hit pause, gentlemen. thank you for being with me. let's preview a little bit. quick break. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we'll be right back. this is ab financial consultant. here's andy listening to my goals and making plans. this is us talking tax-smart investing, managing risk, and all the ways schwab can help me invest. this is andy reminding me how i can keep my investing costs low and that there's no fee to work with him. here's me learning about schwab's satisfaction guarantee. accountability, i like it. so, yeah. andy and i made a good plan. find your own andy at schwab. a modern approach to wealth management. the new samsung galaxy s21 this looks different. it is. show me. just hit record! see that? 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>> exactly. here's the sequence. the police seized both the police car that george floyd was transported in and the mercedes george floyd was driving. they searched it once. they did not find any pills in either car. several months into the investigation, the defense lawyer said, we would like to search. during the defense lawyer's search, they found pills in the police car. nobody's claiming the defense lawyers plant those pills. they were there and the police missed them. here's what the defense lawyer eric nelson has said on the record during pretrial proceedings. he said they spotted chewed up pills and a full pill in that police car and that, quote, according to eric nelson on the record, they are, in fact, methamphetamine and fentanyl and they contain the dna of george floyd. that's the sequence with the pills. >> and then -- thank you very much for the clarification. cedric to you, we finished before going to break that you are -- it's about to get very interesting, specifically on the science and medical analysis of all of this. what are you listening for coming up? >> well, certainly i want to hear the medical examiner in terms of how he or she may have determined the cause of death and putting it into context. of course, you're going to have another medical examiner, if i'm not mistaken, who will be subpoenaed who may look at it very, very differently. so, you're going to have opposing diagnoses here around the cause of death of this patient. but they're going to look at a lot of things physiologically, buy logically, time of death, how much drugs were in the body, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. and the defense certainly is going to, and i think we all can pretty much imagine this, the defense is going to try to make a case that it was the drugs that killed george floyd and not the knee to the neck. so, the prosecution certainly is going to have its job cut out for themselves, but the science is going to play a real significant part in this very emotionally charged case that got played out to millions of people in this country, around the world. and we're going to see, i think, in the days to come, brooke and elie, this case becoming even more complex and even possibly more emotionally charged. >> yep. i appreciate you setting that up. elie, we were on tv listening the other day to the minneapolis police chief and the crescendo of the back and forth define the prosecution and they got to that moment when the chief testified as to use of force, in all of his training, would that have fallen under the jurisdiction or did with the knee on the neck comply and ultimately the chief said no. it was this huge courtroom moment. i'm curious, elie, what that moment will look like with the medical examiner on the stand. >> first of all, i think that that testimony from chief arredondo, that stands out as the most compelling, most convincing testimony we've seen on this issue of both use of force and the cause of death. cedric's exactly right. the defense is going to argue that the cause of death was this overdose. essentially anything and everything but the knee to the neck. intuitively as a common sense manner, that's hard for me to accept, to understand. we'll see if the jury accepts and understands it. >> why? 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(upbeat music) get the food you love with perks from- - [crowd] grubhub. welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll get you back to the derek chauvin trial as soon as testimony resumes any moment now. in the meantime, president biden today just made his very latest pitch to pass his $2.2 trillion infrastructure proposal. he said he is open to negotiation but not inaction. as he is set to meet with republicans in the coming weeks just to debate the details of this infrastructure plan. and that includes increasing the corporate tax rate to 28% from the 21% imposed under the prtru administration. that is to help pay for the package to expand roads, bridges, broadband networks and more. >> new independent study put out last week found at least 55 of our largest corporations use the various loopholes to pay zero federal tax, income tax in 2020. it's just not fair. it's not fair to the rest of the american taxpayers. i'm not trying to punish anymore, but damn it, maybe it's because i come from a middle class neighborhood. i'm sick and tired of on the other hand people being pleased. >> our chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is there. kaitlan, he was really taking the gop attack on his infrastructure plan like head-on there. he spent a lot of time talking about what he says is infrastructure. >> reporter: yeah, brooke, this is basically a speech directed at congressional republicans pretty squarely. the entire time he was refuting these arguments you've been hearing from republicans ever since he proposed this sweeping infrastructure plan. and he was directly arguing what you were just talking about. this is a new definition of infrastructure. he was saying, it's not rational to think that infrastructure is still what it was in the past. to think of roads and bridges. he was saying things like bradband and these electric vehicle charging stations and in-home care. all of those aspects you've seen folded into this infrastructure proposal. he says are his definition of infrastructure. so, while he said he was willing to negotiate with republicans, he warned he was not willing too do nothing. of course, we know we've talked about pausible pathways to get this passed without getting any republican support. we'll have to see if he takes that -- he says he has meetings with republicans scheduled in the next week. another point where he got pretty angry while he was making this speech and not only talking about regular people getting fleeced, why he wants to raise the corporate tax rate to 28%, but also competitiveness for the u.s. on the world stage really, talking about china and other countries, that he says are counting on the united states to not invest enough or go big enough on infrastructure, saying they are counting on democracy, american democracy being too slow while they are getting ahead in the world race here on infrastructure. so, that was another reason he was saying it's so vitally important for him to push this plan. we do know it's facing a pretty uphill battle. not just with republicans but even some democrats who don't like that corporate tax rate. >> to your point about china. i was talking to phil, our colleague phil, and he was saying, brooke, you could have counted the number of times the president mentioned china on two hands. just significant. we'll see how this shakes out as he meets with these republicans. let me ask you about tomorrow. the president is going to take action on guns. it's a promise he made, and in the wake of back-to-back mass shootings in boulder and the atlanta area, what is he going to do? >> the white house isn't really are revealing the extent of what we're going to see tomorrow, but we do know we are expecting executive orders to come from president biden on guns tomorrow. the white house has only said we'll hear more from him on this. this is something that's imminent, the white house has been talking about ever since the shootings in georgia and in colorado. so, the question really is not just whether or not he's going to actually put an executive order forward, but how permanent can it be. the fear there and threat there is they can be undone by the next president and a different party should they so chose. that's going to be the scope we're looking at here. how far do these executive orders go, what do they do when it comes to strengthening background checks, things of that nature we know president biden has been interested in, and does he still try to pursue that legislative route he said is important to him but not as important as infrastructure. >> kaitlan, thank you. we'll leave it because the trial has resumed in minneapolis. let's head back. >> mr. king's body-worn camera, correct? >> yes. >> during that same time period? >> yes. >> and prior to the short clip of lane's body camera that you were shown as exhibit 1007, is there a discussion about drug use by the officers and attempting to speak to mr. floyd? >> yes. >> and hearing that section of the audio, did that help you to understand what mr. floyd might have been saying, that you were asked about by counsel? >> yes. >> and, your honor, we would ask to play 127, exhibit 127, which is cued up to 20:20:30 through 20:20:01, where that phrase appears that mr. -- that agent reyerson was asked about. >> please. please, let me stand. >> no. >> please, let me breathe. >> get on the sidewalk, please. one side or the other. >> my face. >> should we get his legs up? >> just leave him. >> just leave him. >> all right. >> look at my face, man. please. please. please, i can't breathe. >> so, the record should reflect that we've played through 20:21:10 with the quote that you were asked about appearing really at 20:21:01, correct? >> yes. >> having heard it in context, were you able to tell what mr. floyd is saying there? >> yes. i believe mr. floyd is saying, i ain't do no drugs. >> so it's a little different than what you were asked about when we saw a portion of the video, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and then to clarify what we did earlier, it would appear i had inverted a couple of exhibit numbers, correct? >> yes. >> we now straightened that out. exhibits 53 and 54 are both parts of the dragon wok video. you have seen those and they are, in fact, what was obtained from the dragon wok, correct? >> correct. >> and also exhibit 55, is that a portion of the dragon wok video as well? >> yes. >> so, your honor, just to be clear what we initially offered as exhibit 54 should actually be exhibit 53. and we will declare the offer exhibits 53, 54 and 55. >> any objection to any of those? >> no, your honor. >> 53, 54 and 55 are received. >> i don't intend to publish them at this time, your honor. >> okay. anything that was not received is received. which one are you going to publish? >> we are not going to. >> not going to, okay, thank you. >> your honor, i am requesting permission to publish a portion of exhibit 55. agent reyerson, you have had an opportunity to review the dragon wok surveillance video? >> yes, sir. >> and there are portions of the video where mr. floyd is present,y ekt? >> yes. >> it shows various interactions and after mr. floyd leaves,there are other interactions with people walking past. the camera continues to run the same perspective, correct? >> correct. >> your honor, i would ask for permission to publish exhibit 55, starting at the time stamp 203848. agent reyerson, i'm going to ask you to watch the area of the vehicles and the passengers in the vehicles. >> yes, sir. were you able to see? >> yes, sir. >> what does it appear that individual does? >> the individual in the red hard you're referring to? >> yes. >> it appears as though he throws something. >> he's looking initially through the vehicle in the area of the police officers, correct? >> it appeared that way. >> it appears he reaches into his back pack and retrieves something? >> yes. >> it appears he throwing it off to his right shoulder, right? >> that's correct. >> it appears to go some distance away? >> yes, sir. >> would that be consistent with someone trying to get rid of something that they don't want the police to find? >> could be. >> no further questions. >> nothing further. >> you may be excused. thank you. the state would call mckenzie anderson to the stand . raise your right hand. do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> i do. >> have a seat, please. >> if you would mind, we would like to have you remove your mask for testimony. >> sure. >> and if you could spell each of your maismz m-c-k-e-n-z-i-e, a-n-d-e-r-s-o-n. can you tell us how you're currently employed? >> i work for the forensic science laboratory. >> so you are a scientist, a forensic scientist? >> yes. >> i have a bachelor's degree in forensic science from the universitied indeed n. and masters from george washington university. >> so when did you achieve your degree? >> in 2007. >> where from? >> university of north dakota. >> you've said that already. so you work on a master's degree as well? >> you got that from george washington? >> george washington. >> what year was that? >> 2009. >> what kinds of things do you have to do to get a master's in forensic science? >> the coursework included criminal justice coursework, law courses, a lot of hands-on application of forensic practices, and my concentration was in forensic molecular biology, so there's a lot of coursework dedicated to dna test i i ing. >> after you achieved your bachelor's degree, working on your master's, did you begin working in the field as well? >> yes. >> where? >> bodie technology in virginia, a private forensic laboratory. i did dna testle while there. >> did you have some experience with the vca? >> prior to that, i was an intern at the bca, between my first and second year of graduate school. >> and what kind of work did you do during your internship? >> i did projects with our latent print section, also with the mitochondrial dna section. they had to do with validateinga new instrument that they were using at the time. >> so then you went to work at bodie technology, which is b-o-d-e, correct? >> correct. >> what did you do there? >> i started out working in the group called customized casework. i did a lot of technician work for them. after that, i moved to a role in their databasing unit, so convicted offender samples from a variety of states who contracted with that lab. >> so at some point did you leave that lab, obviously? >> yes. >> where did you go? >> i started at the bca in 2009, in october of 2009. >> what job did you take at the bca? >> i was hired on as a forensic scientist in the biology section. >> what does the biology section do? >> the biology section does dna testing and body fluid identification, um, which is the identification of bodily fluids as is relevant to a case, and including sample collection from a variety of physical items of evidence that come into the lab for dna testing. >> when did you start doing that? >> i was hired in october of 2009. >> when you get that job for the bca, was there some specific they made you go through? >> yes. >> can you describe that for the jury? >> so the dna training program takes about a year to complete. it starts with typically people will start with that body fluid identification portion first. i'll get trained in that, and then move on to dna testing, so all of that training includes watching other scientists do their work, many practice samples, competency sets we need to do. we do written tests, oral tests before we signed off and able to work independently and issue our own reports. >> so are you still working in the biology section? >> yes. at some point did you take on additional responsibilities at the bca? >> yes. in 2014 i joined our crime scene team. >> and have you been working crime scene team since then? >> yes. >> at some point did you become a crime scene team leaders? >> yes, i did, in 2016. >> we'll come back to that in a little bit. are you a member of any professional organizations or affiliations? >> i am. i am a member of the midwest association of forensic science thrusts and also the american academy of forensic sciences. >> so we've heard a bit about the bca, the different divisions they have. you're in the laboratory division, correct? >> correct. >> can you just describe for the jurors what all the laboratory does? not in any great detail, but just an overview. >> the laboratory has a number of different sections that processes different evidence. they include dna, drug chemistry, latent prints, firearms, toxicology, so depending on what the item of evidence it is, it gets routed to the appropriate section of the lab. sometimes there's items that we work on in multiple sections of the lab, so it just depends on what the request is and what the item of evidence is that we're working on. >> is the crime scene team considered a separate section? >> yes. >> do you know how many crime scene teams there are? >> we have two main crime scene teams. we have a team down in st. paul at our bca headquarters. we have a second team up in our regional lab. >> so -- you started working on a crime scene team in approximately, what did you says, 2014? >> yes. >> you became a team leader in 2016? >> correct. >> is there something you need to do to become a crime scene team leader? >> yes. in order to join the crime scene team initially, there's a lot of training we go through at the lab that includes, you know, lectures, presentations, hands-on practical exercises, oral boards in order to join the team. to become a team leader, there is some additional training that we go through specifically that covers shooting scene reconstruction and bloodstain pattern analysis, which again comes with its own tests and oral boards before we're able to issue records in those sections. >> so, as you are working there now, you're in both sectionses. -- the mel piece of this, how did george flowed died, as we've had lawyers come on saying ultimately the defense is going to try to show that george floyd's cause of death was because of an overdose. the prosecutes is saying, no, it's because of the knee on the neck, because of former officer derek chauvin. we're watching it day eight here in minneapolis. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. welcome to "the lead." we start today with our national lead. the trial of former minneapolis police officers derek chauvin, which that intently focused on the use of force by officer chauvin. this afternoon we heard from the special agency who investigated chauvin's actions and as the person who handled much of the evidence in the case, james reyerson confirmed exactly how long officers stayed on george floyd and how long chauvin's knee was on george floyd's desk. and weland to an expert witness hiredly the prosecution. he testified that the amount of force devin chauvin used against floyd was, in his pi

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