worrying number, pennsylvania reporting more than 5,000 people testing positive, and in michigan today, more than 8,000 new cases. joining me now, you will recognize this fate. dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of already and infectious diseases. dr. fauci, thanks so much for joining us. we're a long way from days when scientists had to warn americans not to inject themselves with bleach. thank goodness those days are behind us, but there still seems to be a messaging problem. the week began of impending doom and ending with the cdc saying it's fine for fully vaccinated people to travel without tests or quarantines. can you help us clear up the confusion? do you great there might have been some confusion for people are still wondering? >> the point that dr. walensky was making earlier in the week, the thing we're concerned about, things are going extremely well with regard to the vaccinations, but what we are seeing after that big peak that we had around the christmas holidays and new year's, when it started to come down, it plateaued at a disturbingly high level of number of cases per day. one of the concerns we have is when you plateau and then start inching up, as we are doing, as you mentioned just a moment ago in a few of the states, in fact several of the states, there's the danger, jim, of having a resurgence and another big surge up. just we had we had over 60,000 new cases in a day. that's disturbing. that's what happened in europe and is happening. europe, for the most part is going through another disturbing surge. the point she was making is we're not out of the woods yet, so don't declare premature victory. the good news is what you mentioned a moment ago. we're getting -- today was 4 million doses per day. so it's like a race between getting people vaccinated, and the more people on a daily basis you get vaccinated, the better chance you have of blunting or preventing that surge that we're all concerned about. so it's sobering news mixed with good news. it's going to be a race between those two. we would hope that throughout the country we don't get that premature pulling back on public health mitigation missiles, where we're seeing some states backing off on mask mandates, on talking about congregant gatherings. we're just not there yet. >> here's another one, the cdc had to walk back comments from the director that vaccinated people do not carry or transmit covid-19. the big question that people have out there is, if they're fully vaccinated, do they still need to wear a mask? what is your take on that, dr. fauci? >> you know, it's pretty simple to explain, but it's understandable how people can get confused. we know from the vaccine trials, the tens and tens of thousands of people, the primary end point is when it prevented clinically recognizable disease. it wasn't aimed at determining whether it prevents infection. so you can't conceivably get a really good 94%, 95% against any clinically recognizable disease and still have people get infected without symptoms. the question is, that being the case, if we're not sure of that right now, it is conceivable, maybe likely that some people will get infected who are vaccinated, not realize it, because they don't have any symptoms and inadvertently spread the infection to someone else. it's that rhine that masks are still recommended for people who are vaccinated. having said that, as the weeks go by and we get more and more data, and it accumulates literally on a daily basis, it becomes clear that vaccinated people have a much, much lower level of this breakthrough asymptomatic infection, namely an infection that you don't notice, because you don't have symptoms, when you compare vaccinated people who get infected like that, versus unvaccinated, major, major difference. then when you look at the vaccinated people who have had breakthrough infections, the level of virus is much lower in their nasopharynx. so it's looking like the data is gradually getting to the point where it's going to be an extremely low likelihood that a vaccinated person will be able to transmit to a person who is unvaccinated and not infected. we haven't nailed it down completely. we have started a college study among 20 colleges vaccinating people and determining if they can pass it on to their close contacts. when we show that, that they don't, and i believe it's -- i don't want to get ahead of the study, but i wouldn't be surprised if it shows that vaccinated people do not transmit infections to others, even when they have asymptomatic breakthrough infections. if you see that, there will be a turnaround. the recommendations are being careful and conservative. >> when you start to see the case numbers go down, i think folks are assuming out there that you are going to put out guidance that we can start relaxing some of these measures, that people can take off masks, people can travel against. i think there's some frustration out there, because people are standing in line, getting these vaccines, they get both doses and hear these public health officials say, well, you still have to wear a mask, well, you still can't travel. you know, and you're asking everybody to eat their vegetables, and they wonder when they can go about living that i lives again. >> you make a good point. as data are accumulating, the authorities in this case, the cdc that makes those recommendations are waiting until they get substantial data and evidence to say, okay, now you can do that. even though as more data trickle in before it's nailed down, the people on the outside are saying, wait a minute, why do we just not have to wear a mask. >> how soon. >> i know the official recommendation. >> i know we drive you nuts by asking that, but how soon? >> i can't give you a day or week, but as we get more data, if it shows that it's extremely unlikely, you'd see recommendations. they're not there yet, but they're getting there. same with the travel, saying now you can travel. when you travel, you don't have to get tested before and after, except if your destination demands that. you don't have to get quarantined when you come back from a situation. more and more you will start seeing the advantages of getting vaccinated, whereas before, you're right, people ask a question, if there's nothing different, we know why wait? there's a good reason. one, you're protecting yourself and you very unlikely will get sick if you get vaccinated, but it also gives you a freedom to some degree of normality. trust me, it's coming. that brings something to mind that your former colleague dr. deborah birx told our dr. sanjay gupta, let's listen to that. >> look at it this way. the first time we have an excuse there were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. all of the rest of them, in my mind could have been mitigated or decreased substantially. >> this is the moment that stood out to me from that documentaries that i wanted to ask you about. is that correct in your view that we lost nearly half a million people in this country who we didn't need to lose? >> well, what dr. birx was saying, it could have been mitigated. she didn't say we would have avoided all of those deaths. what she was saying -- >> well, a good number of those deaths. >> what she's saying is when we finally knew what we were dealing with, we clearly could have had and had a much more strong adherence to the guidelines. the things that concerned dr. birx and me and others in the medical team, is we were not pushing as hard in getting people to adhere. it was a divisiveness. there were people who were not wearing masks because of a political statement. that is really, you know, inexplicable, because it's not a political thing. it's a public health measure. that's one of the points that i believe that dr. birx was making. we were in a situation, people were getting infected, hospitalized, people were dying, and we were still arguing about whether or not you should wear a mask or whether or not you should avoid congregant settings. that's what she was saying. as soon as it became clear that if you adhered by the guidelines, would you diminish the number of infections, and yet a number of people, states, cities weren't doing it, we could have avoided some of the issues. that's what she was referring to. what about this criticism that had she spoken out while she was at the white house, that that would have made a difference. do you buy that? >> well, you know, in some respects yes, but in most respects no. i believe in fairness to her. she's a good friend for decades. she was in a very difficult position, because she was living there in the white house. she had an office on the ground floor of the west wing, so she had to live in that situation. she doesn't have the opportunity of being away from it, being able to give advice and not have to sit there and live with it. you can criticize her if you want, but i like to cut her some slack. >> when you say cut her some slack, i wonder, you know, she is somebody who is in a position where she could have gone out in front of the cameras and said, you know, president trump should not be saying people should incorrect themselves with disin disinfectants, this think about hydroxychloroquine is nuts, she didn't do those things. i know you're mindful of this, but there are so many americans who say, my goodness, if dr. birx had just gone out there and warned people -- it might have cost her her job, but that president trump doesn't know what he's talking about, that might have made a difference. you don't great with that? >> no, i don't agree or disagree. i'm saying she was in a very difficult position. of course, if you analyze it and go back and say what she could have done or should have done, you're right, but you also need to appreciate that she was really in a tough position. all right. let's move forward. a key model used by the white house estimates an additional 61,000 people will die between march 29th and july 1st. trump is gone, there is no scott atlas, it's president biden, he's leaving the scientists in charge, scientists like yourself. if you had your way, what would you do to prevent further deaths? if some of these deaths could have been prevented during the pandemic, what more can be done now to make sure we aren't looking back and say, gee, i wish we didn't lose x number of people. >> i look at it now. take now looking forward x number of weeks, okay, it's in our purview now, in our ballpark. the two things you do. a, you keep pushing down, doubling down on public health measures. b, you do whatever you can to get as many people vaccinated as quickly and expeditiously as possible. the second, you just mentioned at the top of our segment, jim, that we're doing in record time. 4 million people vaccinated is really a lot of people. if you multiply that by 30 days in a moment, you have 120 million vaccinations you have done. that's what you need to get your arms around this outbreak and to prevent additional deaths, additional hospitalizations, additional infections. the other one is doubling down on the public health measures. you hear the president explicitly getting out there and saying, let's not declare victory prematurely. it's up to people to realize -- we say it over and over again, and we need the local people, the governors, mayors and others, to be able to say we're not out of it yet. people say, well, you just want to confine us forever. no, this is not going to last forever, because every day that you get 4 million, 3 million people vaccinated, you get closer and closer to control. >> no question. >> what we're saying is double down. just hang in there a bit longer, and the vaccine and the vaccinations of people in this country are going to override the surge of the virus. >> i hear what you're saying. >> no doubt the vaccine will win out. >> let me interject if i may, my evan mcmore miss-san toro was in times square today talking about opening up. here are some live pictures of times square in new york city. it is jam-packed full of people. yes, many new yorkers are doing the right thing, doing the masks, so on, god bless them for doing that, but as you know -- i know you live in the d.c. area, we're starting to see traffic again. we're starting to see lots of people on the national mall to look at the cherry blossoms. it seems like people are starting to say i'm tired of this, i'm done with this, i'm getting my vaccines, so how do we present a new surge of cases if people have just said, that's it, i'm done. dr. fauci is a nice man, i like listens to him and so on, but i'm ready to move on, and move on with my life. >> it's not easy, jim. this covid-19 fatigue is a real phenomenon. people are feeling it. we're now 14-plus months into this, and it's totally understandable that people have had enough of it. what we're saying is that we hope that to some extent, or maybe to a large extent they lynn, that we are going to get to where they want to be, where i want to be, where you want to be, where we have enough people protected with the vaccines, that we can go out and watch the cherry blossoms, and we can go out and enjoy as we get warmer weather. it's going to happen. it will, just don't get careless about it. >> do you think that recommendations by people like yourself are in touch with reality. >> jim, i'm not sure there's much more we can do but to get people to appreciate. the thing we can do is what we're doing with the vaccines. we're really, really pushing on that. you know, there was an announcement a couple days ago about the covid-19 community corps, where we're engaging trusted members from the communities, whether they're trusted church leaders, athletes, entertainers, people in the community, to get people out there and when vaccine becomes available to you, to get vaccinated. i agree with you completely, jim. it's a tough sell to get people who have covid-19 fatigue to just continue to abide by the public health measures. it's not going to be easy. i hope we have a dryegree of success, but in the meanwhile, every day 3 to 4 million people are getting vaccinated. that will be the solution, jim. that's the solution. >> all right. we need everybody out there to line up and get their shot and do their part to end this pandemic. dr. fauci, you have done that every day. we pressure you coming in and letting me interrupt you here and there to get some more questions in there. thanks for your time. i hope you're doing well, and happy easter this weekend. >> you too, jim. thank you for having me. we appreciate it. another officer dead and one wounded. the mind of the suspect, next. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. 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>> yeah. what we need to do is balance safety and transparency. the house of representatives -- really the whole capitol complex is almost unique among the capitals of the world. people are used to being able to literally knock on the door of their senator or representative and sometimes catch them there and say hello. you can't do that everywhere around the world. you know, so you want to make sure the people of this country can show up and interact, and at the same time, you know, the capitol has been a larger targets of extremist and extremists. so we have to find a way to balance those two things. would i feel safe without the fencing? yeah, i think i would. but i know that we need to make sure that everybody feels safe. >> let me ask you about the controversy surrounding congressman gaetz. he's accused of showing nude pictures of women to lawmakers, including on the floor of the house, i assume you're not one of those house members that looked at his phone. you're obviously from a different party, very kind mind mindset from gaetz, but if the allegations are true, would you call on his removal? >> yeah, i think if those are true, i think he should resign. nancy pelosi asked the ethics committee to launch an investigation, and they may decision that the ethics committee doesn't have jurisdiction or the house doesn't have jurisdiction to punish him that way, i think if these things are true, he should resigned. it was very disturbs about what he's alleged to have done. i haven't had much interaction with them. other than i see his interviews on television once in a while. as you know, the biden administration is struggling with the surge of migrants. we have seen trouble videos of overcrowded facilities down in texas, children sleeps in mats on the floor, includes nearly 19,000 unaccompanied minors. those are mind-boggling numbers. you just returned from a trip to the border. what did you see and what can be done about the images? that's -- we're just watching it right now. that is unsustainable. >> there's confluence of things going on. first, there were natural desisters in central america not too long ago. also, we have seen a cyclical basically up tick of people presenting themselves for asylum, and also president biden is trying to honor american and international law to allow unaccompanied minors to remain in the united states while they wait for their day in court. so you have a lot of people that are anxious to have their case presented in a court of law and have it decided. we have to completely reimagine and redo what we do with people when they present themselves at the border for asylum, and they take their first stop after that. most of those pictures you see in the video i reported, for example, in 2019 in el paso, texas, where there were about 15 or 20 cuban women who were essentially in what looks like a prison cell that were in unsanitary, cramped conditions back then, that is a problem with the facilities that we send people to at their first stop. i think that we have to completely change the way we do that. i think this administration has an opportunity over the coming months and the next few years to create a completely difficult, more humane way of temporarily keeping people, keeping them safe while they're waiting to be placed with family and relative sponsored, so i hope the biden administration will take that on. >> i want your response to this video released by the border patrol. it's very disturbing of smugglers dropping two toddlers over a 14-foot fence, and then just leaving them there. those little girls are 3 and 5 years old. fortunately they're okay, but as a father, what is your reacts to seeing something like that and what does this video say? >> i think overall it says, you have a lot of very desperate people who are willing to do anything to have her kids in a safer place, and that place is the united states of america. i don't believe that 99% of people willingly leave their homeland and trek 1,000 miles with kids who are 5 and 10 years old just for the fun of it. they're fleeing very violent, desperate situations. part of the answer has tower our nation making a very strong investment. i've talked about a marshall plan, helping to boost the economy and the rule of law and the safety for the people in the northern triangle, because i don't think that the overwhelming majority of those people actually want to leave. i think they feel very much forced to leave. >> i know you have blamed trump for a lot of these problems that are unfolding, this is now happening on joe biden's watch. could this be a problem for democrats in the mid terms? could you be handing the republicans a gift if it's not sorted out? >> i think rpg will run on something. you can see them trying to figure out how effective the issue of immigration will be, but most of all, putting the politics aside, we have to get the solutions right. we're dealing with human beings. the biden administration is add provide much this not with a dark heart that donald trump and stephen miller did, but trying to solve it. they're try to go treat people humanely and also to change the system. >> congressman joaquin castro, thank for you that. happy easter this weekend. come on again sometime soon. we appreciate it. >> for sure. coming up, surveillance cameras, body cameras, cell phone cameras, so many videos captured george floyd's arrest. and they're all playing a crucial role. we'll talk about it, coming up. 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>> totally unnecessary, pulling him down to the ground, facedown, and putting your knee on a neck for that amount of time is just uncalled for. also emerging this week, new footage expanding what we know. cnn's tom foreman takes a look. >> put your hand up there. >> reporter: this was the beginning of the end of george floyd's life, a police gobody camera. it's the compendium of so many cameras emerging in court that is filling in the complex pictures. >> i am claustrophobic. you're not working with me. >> reporter: just -- a security camera inside a nearby food store caused floyd in a very different light. >> he seemed very friendly, approachable. >> reporter: he also seemed like to clerk christopher martin. 61-year-old charles mcmillian what passing by, and the cameras called him yelling, you can't win, man. >> floyd was pinned down. >> mama, mama, mama. >> reporter: that store clerk came out, joining about a descendozen people, calling for police to ease up. >> i saw people yelling and screaming. i saw derek with his knee on george's neck. >> reporter: mcmillian saw it, too. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: for more than nine minutes as officer chauvin kneeled on floyd's neck, cameras showing the same thing, floyd saying again and again and again. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> reporter: a 17-year-old who did not want to be on camera recorded the scene on her phone, too. >> it seemed like he knew it was over for him. he was terrified. he was suffering. this was a cry for help. >> reporter: another cop asked chauvin -- >> i just worried about it. >> reporter: by the time that help arrived, all those cameras showed george flied was not moving anymore, and one caught chauvin's comments right afterward. >> we had to control this guy. he's a sizable guy. i thought he was on something. >> reporter: the defense is arguing, as hard as it may be, thus just a police officer doing his job, but the prosecution clearly believes in the jury looks at all video with the testimony, they will come to the conclusion that george floyd's death was inexcusable, criminal, and there's no other way to look at it. tom foreman, cnn, washington. the testimony this week has been emotional and at times difficult to relive. for resources on how to protect your mental health during the trial, visit cnn.com/impact. a programming note witness the powerful story of "people versus the klan." we'll be right back. when you skip the rinse with finish quantum, you save up to 20 gallons of water each time. finish quantum with activblu technology has the power to remove the toughest stains without pre-rinsing for dishes so clean they shine. join finish and skip the rinse to save our water. the harry's razor is not the same ♪ because some of us are not the same ♪ our close shave comes from our 5 german-engineered blades designed to start sharp and stay sharp. and we never upcharge you for high quality. so for those of us who don't want just the same, harry's razors are here. harry's. not the same. - [narrator] at southern new hampshire university, we're committed to making college more accessible by making it more affordable, that's why we're keeping our tuition the same through the year 2021. - i knew snhu was the place for me when i saw how affordable it was. i ran to my husband with my computer and i said, "look, we can do this." - [narrator] take advantage of some of the lowest online tuition rates in the nation. find your degree at snhu.edu. cal: our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. a cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfp® professional. ♪ did you know that every single flush flings odors onto your soft surfaces? 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