him -- >> the device was doing compressions at the time. >> you saw at some point the possibility of pulsice electrical activity, right? >> yes, we would pause to do a pulse check and it looked like a rhythm change and i was able to de defib that. >> just to be clear, i mean, when somebody is in the state that you are describing, are you looking for any opportunity to, you know, administer a shock or provide additional treatment that you might be able to? >> yes, he's a human being and i was trying to give him a second chance at life. >> ultimately were you able to generate a pulse or any positive change from that shock that was administered? >> sorry, could you repeat that, please. >> did anything change after that shock? did anything get better with mr. floyd? >> no. >> ultimately, when you arrived at the hospital, what did you do at that point? >> when we got to the hospital we provided a report to the staff with the information i had and the treatments rendered. >> what was mr. floyd's condition at the time you arrived at the hospital? >> he was still deceased. we were working on cardiac arrest. >> okay, so it looks like they are taking a quick, quick break. what do you think of all the medical details? what is she getting at? >> a couple things. what is happening right now is an objection over whether or not this witness is qualified to say the exact moment when george floyd technically passed away. he's a paramedic and emt and i think he should be able to do this, and how on earth can nobody else have seen this? how could never else have thought to check a pulse, right? the police were with -- >> they're back. hold that thought. i want you to make that point the next break. let's listen. >> during your treatment and care of mr. floyd, you were ever able to resuscitate him successfully? >> no. >> did he ever have a pulse from the time you were on scene to the time you brought him to the hospital? >> no. >> did anything change in terms of assessment of his condition and status? >> no, when i showed up he was deceased and i dropped him off at the hospital and he was still in cardiac arrest. >> nothing further, your honor. >> mr. nelson? >> okay, so before eric nelson starts his cross-examination, keep making the point you were making before. >> the two first responders got to the scene and they said from a distance they could tell george floyd was not breathing, and how could the officers not have realized the same thing? these emergency responders get to the scene and the first thing they do is check for a pulse and it's inexcusable that these officers never even took his pulse up to that point. these are the two things the prosecutors were trying to draw out in that testimony. >> what did you think? >> well, i certainly agree with everything that he said, and i think it's important again in this case when we look at this, they had an opportunity to render aid even before he came -- >> hang on one second, mr. alexander. i think the cross-examination has begun. let's listen. >> if i were feeling for a pulse on somebody's arm, would you use your thumb or should you use fingers? >> generally fingers. >> is that because you have a pulse in your thumb? >> said to be, yeah. >> you testified when you arrived on scene and you checked for mr. floyd's pulse initially, when you first came -- >> yes, sir. >> and at that time the officer chauvin was -- his knee was still on the back of mr. floyd, right? >> what does the video show? he was still at the head of the patient, yes. i don't remember the exact location. >> of where his knee was? >> correct. there was a lot going on. >> i am showing you what has been admitted as exhibit 56. you were able to feel where his kau roddid artery was while mr. chauvin's knee was in that place? >> yes, sir. >> you testified a police officer got in the back of the ambulance with you and began chest compressions at your direction? >> yes, sir. >> as you were preparing to engage in resuscitative efforts, right? >> are you reconfirming what she has already gone over, correct? >> yeah. >> all right. yes. >> the officer is in the back doing chest compressions and you are getting set up, and then you go to a separate location so your partner to get in back with you to take over for the officer. >> we needed everybody we could at that time. >> why didn't you just have the officer help you continue so you could go straight to the hospital? >> that's not what we do. >> is it because he's not an emt? >> any layperson can do chest compressions. there is no reason any person -- >> that's not my question. my question is, he's not an emt, correct? >> i don't know the certification of the person that got back into my rig. >> you wanted your partner to help you, correct? >> i wanted anybody to help me. >> and ultimately the officer was put out of the rig? >> correct. >> i have no further questions. >> thank you, sir, you may step down. >> thank you, sir. >> you bet. what was the defense attorney there trying to get at? >> i think he's trying to build on the unruly crowd defense, that you had to get away from the crowd in order to do your job, and i don't think that holds up because there's a difference here. the paramedics made a minor adjustment and got their job done. the police here, they claim they have an unruly crowd and that justifies the complete mistreatment and the crushing of george floyd. it's apples and oranges, and i don't think it's going to resonate with the jury. >> looks like we have another witness being sworn in. let's get back in. >> you can just leave the phone on the table there. have a seat. >> thank you. >> before you begin, if you could pull the microphone a little up, it's not very flexible. would you start off by stating your name and spelling each of your names. >> jeremy norton, j-e-r-e-m-y, n-o-r-t-o-n. >> judge, could i remove the mask? >> i should have asked you that. yes, appreciate it. where do you work? >> i work for minneapolis fire department and currently i am assigned to fire station number 17. >> what is your title? >> my title? >> yes. >> i am a captain. >> how long you have been a captain with minneapolis fire department? >> i promoted to captain in 2007. 2013 -- correction, '14 and '15 i was a battalion chief and i demoted to captain in 2017. >> how long you have been with the fire department in total? >> since 2000, so 21 years. >> you have served in a variety of positions over that period of time? >> i was a firefighter from 2000 until 2007. captain from 2007 until 2014. battalion chief 2014 to 2016, and captain again from 2016 until present. >> what is your educational background? what did you do in terms of training to become a firefighter in the first instance? >> when i started i applied in 1998. the department, once one was hired the department provided all of the training, emt basic, hazmat and firefighter 1 and 2. >> maybe you could describe a little bit what those things are? >> it was 21 years ago. >> when you say emt basic, 1 and 2 -- what does that mean? >> we are giving training to the emt basic level, and now to apply one needs to already be an emt, and that would require classroom training and hands on training and passing the national registry of emt tests and in becoming a licensed emt you have to maintain education for certification, and that's every two years we have to recertify for the state of minnesota and with the option to maintain a national certification level. the firefighting was coursework designed and delivered by the fire department and that included the hazmat training. >> okay, hazmat training sounds interesting, and is it a subspecialty of the trainings you go through? >> yes, it's a subsection. essentially. >> okay, let's circle back to the emt part of it. are you -- it is a licensed emt or a certified emt through your job as a firefighter? >> i believe it's a certification. >> okay. so are you currently certified as an emt? >> yes, and that's one of the conditions of employment. >> are you up to date on all of those certification requirements? >> yes, ma'am, to my knowledge. >> and, again, based on what you were describing for training for firefighters is that part of the sort of standard training that all firefighters get, meaning are they all emt's in minneapolis? >> in minneapolis, yes, ma'am. >> okay. so i am going to get back to your day-to-day as a captain with the minneapolis fire department. what are your job duties? >> simply put, i am in charge of maintaining the care, treatment and training of my crew, our equipment and our station, which is a broad -- it's broad, but within that i am in charge of ensuring that we uphold city rules, regulations, have appropriate interactions with the public, work well with other agencies, maintain our training. i'm in charge of all documentation and records and all all our calls i am in charge of the overall safety and well-being of our crew and ensuring that we act appropriately. >> so fair to say you're in a leadership position? >> that would be affirmative. >> do you still, despite being a supervisor and in leadership, do you still respond to calls as well? >> yes, ma'am, as a crew we work together. >> that's still part of your day-to-day, responding to calls? >> yes. >> what portion of your work as a minneapolis fire department employee is medical in nature? do you respond to a lot of medical calls? does fire respond to a lot of medical calls? >> the number i have seen for the department and nationally would be about 80% of our work is medical in nature. >> so any of us who assume that firefighters just fight fires, that is -- is that not the case? >> no, you have been watching the wrong shows. >> you said 80% medical? >> that is what statistics show, yes, ma'am. >> so the vast majority of your job is responding to medical calls as opposed to fighting fires? >> that is krebg. >> what types of medical calls do you respond to? could you give examples of the types of things you do? >> certainly. the simplest things is supporting the paramedics. >> is it common for you to work with them in your job? >> absolutely. >> why is that? >> why do we work with them? >> yeah, why is -- yeah, what is the need to work together? >> the paramedics are higher trained, they have higher level of standard of care and they have more skills they possess, and their schooling is longer, and the idea is would be an emergency medical response that if somebody is life or death issue having an emt arrive with equipment and oxygen, masks and other tools, we can provide care for somebody who is in critical condition until the paramedics arrive and then they can take over to the higher level and we support them. >> i think you just used the term aed, and can you describe what that is? >> it's what would be called a heart starter, tautomatic -- i will botch the letters, it's a heart starter and is used when somebody is in cardiac arrest. >> are you able to assist with that type of thing? >> yes, we do carry that on our rigs, and i can use anyone i find in this building. >> i will direct your attention to may 25th of last year. >> yes, ma'am. >> were you on duty as a captain with the minneapolis fire department on that date? >> i was. >> and did you respond to a call that evening? >> can you say that again? >> did you respond to a call that evening? >> we responded to several, yes, ma'am. >> and specifically with respect to the area -- well, the area of cup foods, was there a call that you initially responded to that location for? >> yes, ma'am. >> so maybe you could, if you could, please just describe what was the nature of the call that you were initially responding to? >> we were dispatched initially code 2, which is a nonemergency response at, i believe, 8:30 p.m., give or take a couple seconds and we were given very little information. i believe it said assist paramedics, perhaps, and it said engine 17 code 2, either 38th and chicago or 3759 chicago cup foods. so do you want me to explain more? >> let me stop you right there and i will ask a follow-up question. how did that information come to you? in other words, how did that call initially come into your fire department, your station? >> the majority of calls will come in through central dispatch, so the -- they control how the station will open up, meaning the radio and the lights will come on and then there are signa signifying tones that indicate the general nature of the call and on top of that dispatch will provide whatever information they have as to the nature of the call. >> so with respect to the evening of may 25th, you said around 8:30, were you in the station at that time? >> yes, ma'am, we were inside. >> did you hear some particular tone that alerted you to this code 2? >> yes, eit's the standard, whee the lights come on and the speaker has an audible click and there are two short tones followed by the dispatch announcing where we were going. >> does that come over your speaker system? >> yes, ma'am. >> so at that time you were aware it was a code 2 and the location where you were going, is that right? >> yes, ma'am. >> did you proceed to that location? >> we did. >> did you get any other information about the call either en route or some other time? >> yes, ma'am. >> what was that? >> shortly after the information, it stated code 3, red lights and sirens, emergency response. >> so when you heard code 3, does that mean the call was elevated at that point, meaning more -- code 3 is more serious than code 2? >> affirmative. >> did you have any other information about that or the reason for that? >> i believe the only information that we had on our screen initially was code 2 for one with mouth injury, i believe. >> okay. >> and then it was updated. >> when you say updated, was it just then a code 3? >> affirmative. >> without any supplemental information as to why? >> i don't believe so. >> so ultimately did you respond to the area of cup foods at 38th and chicago? >> yes. >> and what did you do when you arrived there? >> we -- the rig stopped. my partner and i got off the rig and we looked around for a patient. >> when you got there what did you see? >> there were several police squads, one parked police and two minneapolis -- or two or three minneapolis police cars i remember parked in the vicinity, in the area. a couple officers were standing on the street and a couple people were -- a handful of people were outside. >> was there an ambulance there at the time that you were there? >> no, ma'am. >> were you able to identify a patient upon arrival? >> no, ma'am, there was nobody on the street. >> what did you do next? >> i went clockwise around our rig and spoke briefly with one police officer and then we went into the store. >> did you come into contact with anybody in the store? >> yes, ma'am. >> what was the nature of that? what happened in the store? >> could you be more specific, please? >> sure, well, upon entering the store could you -- did you interact with anybody who was in the area, who had been in the area? >> yes, ma'am, we spoke -- as i said, i spoke to one police officer as i exited the rig, and came through to a crowd six or seven people at the mouth of the store, and then i went into the store still looking for a patient. >> okay. so you entered the store looking for a patient. did you have any interactions with anybody? you said there were six or seven people. did you have an interaction with any of those people? >> you mean, did i speak with them? i don't know what you mean by interaction? >> yes, yes, did you have a conversation with any of them? >> i was walking through and i heard what people were saying, but i was pretty much looking for a patient. i -- i might have spoken to somebody that was working there briefly, and while i was looking around for a patient essentially on the ground i did encounter an off-duty firefighter and then i briefly spoke with one of the police officers that was at the back of the store. >> okay. so let's just talk about those two things. you interacted both with an off duty firefighter and also with a law enforcement officer who was present, is that right? >> yes, ma'am. >> so let's first start with your objective? you said you were looking on the floor for a patient. was it your primarily goal to find a patient? >> yes, ma'am. >> when you were not able to see one easily and entered into the store, what did you do at that point? is that when you talked to the law enforcement officer? >> i made my way back towards the back of the store looking for a patient or -- it was a very -- it was -- the call was confusing because we did not have a lot of information and so i did not have a patient description and i did not have anything else so i was essentially, yes, looking on the floor for somebody. at that point, though, the crowd through which i walked was -- people were upset and they were -- i was getting the sense from them that there was -- there was an injured person and that's why i was looking for somebody on the ground. >> did you find an injured person on the ground? >> no, ma'am. >> what did you do next? >> my partner mostly stayed and spoke with the off-duty firefighter who was agitated to distraught. she was fairly upset and i -- as my job as a supervisor, it was to cut through a lot of the extraneous information and find what we need to deal with, so i moved to the back and i did see the police officer at the back of the store which would have been the southeast corner of the building talking to one of the employees behind the barricade, and then i approached him. >> okay. were you directed to another location? >> right as i was asking him what was going on, he said they -- i believe he said the medics left and they need you, and right about simultaneously over his radio and over ours because we have separate dispatchers, we both had the information that the paramedics needed us at a different location? >> okay. you also mentioned an off-duty firefighter, do you know who that off-duty firefighter was? >> do i know who she is now? >> yes, ma'am, hanson. >> when you arrived on scene, did you immediately recognize her as somebody that you knew? >> no, ma'am, i think i walked right past her and she popped up to my left once we were inside the store. >> after the fact, do you now know that was an individual that you work with as genevieve hanson. >> prior to that, once we started speaking i double clocked and i knew her and we spoke. >> at that time did you know what was happening and what was going on? >> the police officer said the medics had left and they needed us, code 3, dispatch said the same thing and from the off duty firefighter and from the crowd i was hearing inferring that there was an injured man that had been sustained injuries in the scuffle with the police, or in a situation with the police. >> i'm going to put up on the screen what has already been admitted as exhibit 68. could you put that up, please. here we go. all right. so you described your arrival. could you just describe what is shown in exhibit 68, please? >> yes, ma'am. that is our fire truck, engine 17, and that's me stepping out from the captain's side. we are facing eastbound on 38th street and cup foods is behind us. there's a squad to my forward and right from the photo, to my left. and i believe that was the police officer i spoke to whose body camera wshows i made contat with him. >> this was you upon your arrival to the scene? >> yes, ma'am. >> and exhibit 69, please. did somebody -- so exhibit 69 is now on the screen. if you could just describe who is pictured in this photo? >> that's me to the right of the screen and that's firefighter jennifer hall to the left coming around from her side of the rig miles per h . she was a rookie that started with us at the end of march. >> so you both were arriving together, essentially? >> yes, ma'am, she was my partner. >> could we move to exhibit 70, please. could you describe what is shown in exhibit 70, please. >> yes, ma'am. there's what looks like a police squad ahead to my left north on the street. i believe that's maybe a parked police squad to my left. four people outside, one of whom is off-duty firefighter hanson and i did not recognize her walking through. >> do you recognize her now? >> affirmative. >> you can use the stylious or your finger. can you indicate where you are in this photo as well? all right. there's an arrow showing where you just made that mark. could you identify jennifer hall as well. did you know any other individuals in this? >> in this photo, no, ma'am. >> if we could move to exhibit 71, please. i'm sorry. 72, please. so did you ultimately enter the store and have a brief interaction, as you described, with a law enforcement officer in there? >> yes, ma'am. >> does exhibit 72 show that? i should be more clear. what does exhibit 72 show? >> i believe it would be the body camera of the officer with whom we were speaking. >> who is pictured in this image? >> i am in the center and firefighter hall is to the right. >> was this inside cup foods? >> yes, ma'am, towards the back of the store. >> all right. and as you described, when you learned that there was no patient there, we'll go back to exhibit 71, please. now i have exhibit 71 on the screen, did you then exit the store? >> yes, ma'am. >> can you describe -- is that what you were doing in exhibit 71 here? >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. so once you have the additional information -- you can take that down. thank you. what you did you do next and where did you go? >> we were directed to meet the medics at park and 36th avenue south, and we got back on our fire truck and responded to 36th and park. >> what did you see when you got there? >> the medical center ambulance was parked on the east side of the street just south of 36th. >> i will put up exhibit 74, which is already been admitted. ultimately can you just describe what point of view this is showing in exhibit 74. >> yes, ma'am. that is not me, but this would be the view from my seat. >> and so in the foreground, is that the fire truck you were in? >> sorry, yes. this photo was taken from the front seat of the fire truck facing the ambulance. >> is that where your fire rig parked once you arrived at that location to meet up with the ambulance? >> yes, ma'am. >> what did you do once arrived at that location? >> again, my partner, firefighter hall and i got out of the fire truck and went into the ambulance entering from the side door. >> what did you observe at that point in time? >> two paramedics and one police officer and a patient on the stretcher. >> what appeared to be the condition of the patient that you observed? >> he was -- he was face up on the stretcher. he had an airway in, an advanced airway in so he had a breathing tube going into his truck and he had the lucas air device, kind of a cpr device in place and working. >> when you say working, what does that mean? >> it was pumping up and down to pump his chest, pump his heart. >> first of all, this patient, was he later identified by name? >> yes, ma'am, it was george floyd. >> so you said that he had an airway in place and the lucas machine was pumping. what did you observe about his overall condition? >> i mean, other than that he was unresponsive. >> right. i mean, maybe not other than that, but what do you mean by unresponsive. what did you see? >> a person who is not -- basically who is -- sorry, it's a confusing question, i'm sorry. >> it's not a good question. i apologize. >> he was an unresponsive body on a cot. the airway was in place so the responders -- so people could breathe for him and the lucas device was compressing his heart to get blood going through his body. >> when you say breathe for him, what does that mean? >> i was unclear about that. an airway device goes through to the throat and basically gets better access into the lungs for some sort of airway and oxygen delivery device, and in our case it would be a bvm, a bag valve mask and it's a nerf ball sized device. >> when you say breathe for him, does that imply using that bvm and actually squeezing it? >> yes, ma'am. sorry, to answer your question, in the absence of those actions, the patient would have been pulseless and not responsive and not breathing and for all intents and purposes, dead. >> were you aware with respect to any pulse? was the patient pulseless when you arrived? >> we did not check the pulse until we took over -- excuse me. they were working and we joined them as part of their protocols, we did pulse checks multiple times until we arrived at hmc. >> was there a law enforcement officer who was also in the back of the pwhraepbs ambulance? >> yes, ma'am. >> when you arrived, did you switch places essentially? did he exit the ambulance? >> yes, i cleared him out and took the seat at the head and took over the ventilations for the patient? >> when you say ventilations, are you talking about the bvm? >> yes, ma'am. >> were you squeezing it for the process to work? >> yes, ma'am. >> after the officer left the ambulance and you were working on squeezing the bvm, what happened next? did you proceed to the hospital with the paramedics? >> i'm sorry. those are two questions. >> okay. let's start with the first one and maybe i can rephrase it better. what did you do after you took over the squeezing of the bvm? >> i, myself, continued that until we were cleared at the state room at the head of county emergency? >> did you perform that act all the way until you got to the hospital? >> yes, ma'am. >> what did you do once you arrived at the hospital with the patient, mr. floyd? >> we continued from the ambulance into the critical care room. i believe there were two other cases -- patients already in there so the room was a little hectic and they were assembling their stats so i continued at his head breathing for him for a short amount of time until their team took over and cleared us. >> once you were cleared, what does that mean, cleared? >> well, it's a hospital. they have a lot of people that can do our job so they basically kick us out so they can take over, more comprehensive care. >> what did you do at that point, once you were cleared? >> how do you mean? >> did you ultimately need a ride? >> we left the -- we left the hospital and i often times when we accompanied the medics down to the hospital in critical patient cases, our fire truck is not allowed to drive with lights, just to follow us, and we will be okay with the medics, so they will respond, and depending on how far away it is we can stand on the street for several minutes and i radioed to my driver to go back to the scene at 38th and chicago to check on the off-duty firefighter. >> why did you do that? why did you have other members of the team check on the off-duty firefighter? >> ma'am, as i said, we came in with very little information, and even when i spoke with her on the scene i had no understanding of the cause of her distress, so once we got in the ambulance and i saw the severity of mr. floyd's condition and gravity, i was able to infer or put together what she had been talking about, and i understood the justification of her duress, so i sent my crew back to her to check on her to make sure she was okay. >> so once you put those pieces together and understood mr. floyd's condition, were there additional actions that you took after leaving the hospital? >> yes, ma'am, once the fire truck came to pick us up, we kind of had a brief -- kind of a debrief in the room talking because we had -- my partner and i had a very different experience from the driver and the other firefighter, because especially during covid we were either going in one at a time or because i had a rookie i was trying to give her experience, so my senior firefighter and driver remained on the rig for most calls from the end of march through midsummer, and in this case while my partner, jennifer hall and i entered the rig and encountered somebody who was not responsive and that -- excuse me, the police -- >> ask another question. >> sorry. >> you said you and your partner, jennifer hall, were working together and you got on the ambulance. >> yes. >> what were the other members of your crew doing and who were they? >> kwryes, ma'am, i apologize f that. steven mudec is a firefighter, and tracy is my driver. >> so were all of you together -- >> yes. >> and let me finish the question so she can take it down. all of you were together on may 25th responding to this call, is that correct? >> yes. >> and who was it that you sent to go and talk to the off duty firefighter, genevieve hanson. >> i had bell and muden take the rig are back to the scene. >> is that back to cup foods? >> yes. >> when that was going on, where were you? >> we were at park and 36th and then en route to the hospital. >> and did tracy and steve from your team meet you at the hospital? >> yes, ma'am. >> then you said the four of you had a debrief, is that right? >> briefly, yes. >> what did you do after that? >> i'm going to object -- [ inaudible ]. >> stand by, please. >> okay, so we are taking a quick sidebar and are talking to the minneapolis fire captain. what do you make of this back and forth? >> this is fairly common in trials when you have the side bars. normally would you see the lawyers going to the side of the judge's bench and it's called the bar, but because of covid they are on the remote systems here. sometimes you will see evidencery objections, and you cannot get on the stand and say i heard another person say this or that, and this witness is setting the stage for the way this witness appears physically and the treatment he was given on the scene. >> all right. here we go. >> did you report this incident, what you saw and observed internally to the fire department? >> yes, ma'am. >> why was that? >> twofold. i was aware that a man had been killed in police custody and i wanted to notify my supervisors to notify the appropriate people above us in the city, in the fire department and whomever else, and i wanted to inform my deputy that there was an off-duty firefighter that there was a witness at the scene. >> nothing further, your honor. >> mr. nelson. >> good afternoon, captain. >> good afternoon. >> thank you for being here. i just want to clarify a couple things on the timeframe. >> yes, sir. >> i will show you what already has been admitted as exhibit 151. you're familiar with the computer-aided dispatch or incident detail reports? >> yes, sir. >> this is exhibit 151, a computer aided dispatch from this incident. this initial call for ems code 2 occurred at 8:20 and 11 seconds according to this, agreed? >> that's what it says. >> this incident was upgraded at 8:28, correct, to code 3? >> well, sir, it says something different above. >> so multiagency police? are you talking about that? >> no, sir. >> pardon? >> no, sir. >> so you have 3:30 at 82135. >> yes. >> and then you have information at 82721. that's that somebody had a male restrained on the ground, correct? >> yes, it says male restrained. >> and it has the emergency ambulance, added fire at 8:28, agreed? >> that's what it says. ems alerted everybody that they were at 36th and park at 8:31 and 12 seconds? >> yes, sir, that's what it says. then there's this metcom call at 8:33, where ems is asking for the fire department for patient condition, right? >> yes, sir. >> down here at 8:35 and 13 seconds, it says minneapolis fire department en route to park and 36th? >> that's correct. and you were two minutes out at 8:36 and seven seconds? >> that's what i reported, yes. >> so you arrived at about 8:38, correct? >> i am not sure what time we arrived? >> about two minutes within your call. >> i believei it was 8:37. >> the original call ems code 2 for a mouth injury at 8:20 -- >> that is not for us. >> understood. it's 17 minutes after the original call went out, correct? >> that looks appropriate, yes. >> you were called -- or fire, i should say, was called at 8:28 and 36 seconds. >> that was somebody's radio transmission, yes, sir. >> and the fire incident was created seven seconds later at 8:28:43. so fire was notified at 8:28:43. >> our dispatch was, yes. >> what time did you arrive based on your recollection at cup foods? >> our station opened up at 20:30, and we arrived at 20:32 and change. >> so again, 12 minutes after the original call for service? >> yes. >> all right. and when you arrived paramedics had already removed mr. floyd from the scene and gone to 36th and park which is why you didn't find him at cup foods? >> yes, sir. >> okay. i have no further questions. >> nothing further. >> captain, you were asked a series of questions about your response time and the timing of that. i think you testified on cross that the initial call you said regarding the code 2 mouth injury was not for us. can you just describe what you were -- what you mean by that? >> well, there -- to the best of my understanding the 911 system, which is many stories below us, there's a 911 dispatcher for civilian calls, and there's a police dispatcher, and there's a fire department dispatch and there's an ems, our medics dispatcher. they are all in the same room and all on different channels. so if what i believe is a call from one of the police officers for ems code 2, it would have gone from that officer's radio directly to their dispatch. then their dispatch would have made the decision based on information given what level of information isn't necessarily showing up for you on a screen somewhere when you're sitting in the station? >> ma'am, which information? >> exhibit 151 that was shown to you. >> not that -- no, ma'am. this is more of an aggregate. >> okay. so, just to be clear, you -- what was the initial information that you received with respect to your firefighters and your fire station? >> yes, ma'am. i believe it was code two. i don't remember what the dispatcher said over the air, it was something to the effect of either respond to help medics or code two to cup foods, and then what popped up on our screen was one with the mouth injury. >> so when would you have received that information? >> as soon as the station opened up and the run was generated on to our screen by the dispatch. >> and when you say the station opened up and the run was generated, when would that have been? >> 8:30, 20:30 and 21 seconds. so the information you received from your dispatch was approximately 8:30, is that right? >> yes, ma'am. >> that would have been after information communicated to other sources? >> i have no knowledge of that. >> fair enough. thank you. no further questions. >> you may step down. >> members of the jury, we'll take our 20-minute mid afternoon break. let's reconvene at 3:10. >> okay. so let's chat. ellie, cedric. we've been listening to the testimony of this minneapolis fire captain, jeremy norton. ellie, was there a dispute over time of death? what was that back and forth about? >> this is a really important point. i want to make sure people understand. we have been seeing and we'll continue to see a push and pull between the prosecution and defense as to when george floyd died. generally speaking the prosecution will argue it was earlier in the timeline, their theory is derek chauvin killed george floyd, so he died while under derek chauvin or thereafter. the defense is saying his time of death was later because that's more consistent with an overdose. we've been seeing that push between earlier and later all day. we'll continue to see that throughout the trial. >> cedric, what did you think of the captain's testimony? >> first of all, i thought he was very succinct in terms of how he responded and his responsibility there on the scene, even though he arrived later after they left. the important thing here for me, when i think about this, is that during the time of the incident, and i have to think about it from a law enforcement perspective for myself, because that's how i understand it, that's how i experience it. but from the time of his knee on his neck up until the time he was begging, until the time he went totally limp, he stopped, there was no longer to hold him any longer at his feet and legs, it becomes clear to me, a layperson, as many other lay people -- and lay people on the street that day -- that something was seriously wrong. he looked like -- he appeared as if he had died right there on that scene. if you notice one thing that the captain said -- i don't think anyone picked up on it, he said we responded to a call where a person had been killed. remember that? and that's a very significant statement to me in the sense that in his mind, what he may have experienced -- i don't know this. i'm not in the head of that captain. but those were his words, we responded to the scene where the patient, in this case mr. floyd, had been killed in police custody. >> we had not heard that from the two paramedics who, you know, who did testify as they rolled up on the scene they thought he looked dead. but to hear that language from the fire captain, i appreciate you pointing that out. cedric, i want to stay with you. what did you make of the fire captain's interactions with the minneapolis police officers once he arrived there at cup foods? >> i don't make too much of anything. these guys have all worked together probably from time to time on other scenes. but here's what i noticed very clearly about that captain and the other two paramedics. those guys were very clear about what their experience was, what they saw, what they felt, what they experienced and they talked from their experience as paramedics. so we cannot minimize their statements. you cannot take it any direction other than what they stated from their expertise and their state-certified training, which the prosecution brought out. that's very important. they're certified. they're professionals. and this is what they observed and saw. the body was limp. the body appeared to have been already deceased. whatever the case may happen to be. so i think it's important to note for me that those emergency personnel persons, the last three witnesses that we just observed, they were pretty sincere. >> two paramedics and a fire captain with 21 years on the job. cedric alexander, elie honing, quick break. they're in a break here in the derek chauvin trial. the murder trial will resume. once it does, we'll jump back in. quick break. ♪let's make lots of money♪ ♪you've got the brawn♪ ♪i've got the brains♪ ♪let's make lots of♪ ♪uh uh uh♪ ♪oohhh there's a lot of opportunities♪ with allstate, drivers who switched saved over $700. saving is easy when you're in good hands. allstate click or call to switch today. you need a financial plan that can help grow and protect your money. an annuity can help cover essential expenses in retirement. have the right financial professional show you how... this is what an annuity can do. we started with computers. we didn't stop at computers. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, you know we'll stop at nothing. dignity. this thing you can neither see nor measure... ...but that demands the return of small moments illness attempts to steal. ♪ dignity demands a rapid covid test, ♪ because we all need an answer to move forward. ♪ dignity demands your heart stays connected to your doctor, so you know it's beating as it should. ♪ it demands a better understanding of your glucose levels, so you can enjoy movie night. ♪ and knowing your baby is getting the nutrition he needs, no matter how you choose to feed him. dignity is not effortless nor easy. at abbott, we fight for it every day, developing life-changing technologies. because dignity demands it. ♪ welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. today we saw new body camera video of paramedics attempting to revive george floyd. and we heard firsthand from two of those medics who tried to save floyd's life. seth bravender testified that floyd appeared to be motionless, not breathing, and multiple

Related Keywords

Patient , Hospital , Yes , Shock , Saw A Run , Algorithm , Defibrillation , Rhythm , Electrical Activity , Pulsice , Protocol , George Floyd , Mr , Device , Change , Terms , Lucas , Him , Point Of View , Compressions , Possibility , Pulsice Electrical Activity , Rhythm Change , Pulse Check , Somebody , State , Opportunity , De Defib , Pulse , Life , Treatment , Chance , Human Being , Anything , Report , Information , Condition , Deceased , Treatments , Staff , Cardiac Arrest , Things , Witness , Break , Objection , Quick , Details , Emt , Paramedic , Earth , Police , Nobody , Thought , Care , Scene , Status , Assessment , Nothing , Eric Nelson , Honor , Cross Examination , Responders , Breathing , Officers , Distance , Two , Thing , Emergency Responders , Case , Testimony , Prosecutors , Everything , Second , Aid , Alexander , One , Fingers , Thumb , Arm , Sir , Chauvin , Back , Knee , Video , Lot , Location , Head , Correct , 56 , Kau Roddid Artery , Police Officer , Place , Ambulance , Chest Compressions , Direction , Over , Efforts , Resuscitative , Partner , Back Doing , Set Up , Everybody , Officer Help , Didn T , Question , Person , Reason , Layperson , Fire Rig , Anybody , Certification , Questions , Thank You , You Bet , Crowd Defense , Defense Attorney , Paramedics , Job , Crowd , Difference , Order , Adjustment , Jury , Mistreatment , Crushing , Oranges , Apples , Looks , Seat , Phone , Table , Microphone , Name , Jeremy Norton , Names , Spelling , J E R M Y , Judge , Mask , N O R T , Minneapolis Fire Department , Captain , Fire Station , Title , 17 , 15 , 2013 , 2007 , 14 , Battalion Chief , Positions , Variety , 2000 , 2017 , 21 , Firefighter , 2016 , 2014 , 2014 Battalion , Training , Background , Instance , All , There S A Fire Department , Hazmat , Emt Basic , 1 , 2 , 1998 , Level , Bit , Certified , Tests , Registry , Needs , Classroom Training , Minnesota , Option , Recertify , Education , Firefighting , Hazmat Training , Trainings , Subspecialty , Coursework , Part , Subsection , Conditions , Employment , Certification Requirements , Firefighters , Ma Am , Knowledge , Sort , Meaning , Minneapolis , Job Duties , Crew , Station , Charge , Equipment , Interactions , Broad , City Rules , Public , Regulations , Agencies , Calls , Safety , Records , Well Being , Documentation , I M In Charge , Supervisor , Leadership , Leadership Position , Fire , Nature , Work , Portion , Minneapolis Fire Department Employee , Us , Fires , Number , 80 , Show , Statistics , Majority , Shows , Fighting Fires , Types , Examples , Krebg , Death , Response , Emergency , Standard , Schooling , Idea , Skills , Oxygen , Issue , Tools , Heart Starter , Aed , Tautomatic , Letters , Anyone , Building , Type , Attention , Rigs , May 25th Of Last , May 25th , 25 , Call , Respect , Area , Cup Foods , Code 2 , Nonemergency , 8 , 30 , Engine , Assist Paramedics , 38 , Chicago , 3759 , Dispatch , Words , Lights , Radio , Tones , Top , Tone , Evening , Code , Speaker , Click , The Standard , Eit , Speaker System , Code 3 , Emergency Response , Red Lights , Sirens , 3 , Affirmative , Screen , Mouth Injury , Police Squads , Street , People , Vicinity , Police Cars , Handful , Three , Arrival , The Street , Store , Rig , Contact , Specific , Mouth , Seven , Six , Interaction , Any , Saying , Conversation , Police Officers , Ground , Law Enforcement Officer , Duty , Objective , Start , Floor , Goal , Way , Patient Description , Sense , Employees , Corner , Barricade , Medics , Dispatchers , Genevieve Hanson , Left , Individual , Fact , Oman , Injuries , Hearing Inferring , Situation , Scuffle , Up , 68 , Fire Truck , Side , The Captain , 38th Street , Photo , Squad , Contat , Camera Wshows , 69 , Jennifer Hall , Rookie , The End , March , Police Squad , North , 70 , Firefighter Hanson , Walking , Four , Finger , Stylious , Arrow Showing , Individuals , Mark , 72 , 71 , Body , Foods , Hall , Right , Camera , Image , Down , 36th Avenue South , 36 , 36th And Park , Medical Center , East Side , 74 , View , Foreground , Front , Firefighter Hall , Ambulance Entering , Side Door , Stretcher , Airway , Kind , Cpr Device , Air Device , Truck , Breathing Tube , Heart , Working , Chest , Pump , Lucas Machine , Unresponsive , Cot , Blood , Airway Device , Delivery Device , Throat , Lungs , Access , Bvm , Bag Valve Mask , Nerf , Actions , Absence , Intents , Purposes , Times , Protocols , Hmc , Pwhraepbs , Ventilations , Places , Process , Squeezing The Bvm , Squeezing , County Emergency , State Room , Act All The Way , Room , Patients , Cases , Stats , Critical Care Room , Team , Mean , Amount , Comprehensive Care , Ride , Members , Driver , Understanding , Distress , Severity , Cause , Duress , Gravity , Justification , Pieces , Experience , Debrief , Brief , Covid , Midsummer , Crew Doing , Steven Mudec , Kwryes , Tracy , Muden , Bell , Steve , Object , Inaudible , Stand By , Lawyers , Sidebar , Trials , Side Bars , Systems , Bar , Bench , Evidencery Objections , Stand , Stage , Incident , Twofold , Police Custody , In The City , Supervisors , Deputy , Whomever Else , Timeframe , 151 , Computer , Detail , 20 , 11 , Something , 28 , 82135 , 82721 , Emergency Ambulance , Male , 12 , 31 , Metcom Call , Patient Condition , 33 , Minneapolis Fire Department En Route To Park , 35 , 13 , 37 , Fire Incident , Radio Transmission , 43 , Recollection , Service , 32 , Series , Cross , Timing , Dispatcher , System , Stories , Best , 911 , Police Dispatcher , Medics Dispatcher , Channels , Information Given , Decision , Somewhere , Exhibit 151 , Information Isn T , Aggregate , Code Two , Air , Effect , Run , Either , Sources , Afternoon Break , 10 , Cedric Alexander , Dispute , This Minneapolis Fire Captain , Chat , Ellie , Prosecution , Defense , Push , Timeline , Theory , Trial , Overdose , Responsibility , It , Law Enforcement Perspective , Neck , Begging , Feet , Legs , Statement , Mind , Language , Guys , The Fire Captain , Scenes , Statements , Expertise , Saw , Professionals , Limp , Emergency Personnel Persons , Elie Honing , Lots , Money , Murder Trial , Derek Chauvin Trial , Drivers , Uh Oohhh There , Brawn , Opportunities , Brains , Allstate , 00 , 700 , Annuity , Plan , Essential Expenses , Hands , Saving , Allstate Click , Grow , Retirement , Computers , Storage , Cloud , Customers , Technology , Help , Astronaut , Business , Dignity , Measure , Return , Covid Test , Illness , Answer , Glucose Levels , Doctor , Beating , Movie , Baby , Technologies , Nutrition , Matter , Lead , Jake Tapper , Multiple , Motionless , Seth Bravender ,