the police department and mr. floyd. >> only what i seen. >> you had no idea that he was dealing with him 15 minutes prior to your arrival? >> objection, your honor. >> overruled. >> no. right? >> wi >> can i answer that question? repeat that question. >> you were not aware that the police had been dealing with mr. floyd for 15 minutes prior to your arrival? >> not at all. >> now you testified as you were observing mr. floyd on the ground, you observed blood coming from his nose or mouth area, right? >> correct. and someone actually stated that if you watch the video. >> right. i watched the video. you would not have been aware that three minutes prior to your arrive alan ambulance was called specifically because he was bleeding from the mouth. >> that had nothing to do with it, sir. >> but you made certain assumptions -- >> objection. what was the answer? >> i didn't have any recollection of that. nothing to do with me. >> sometimes court reporter can't hear. so -- that's the only reason for the repeat. >> i appreciate you, man. >> okay. >> thank you. but you yesterday testified that you assumed that the blood coming from mr. floyd's nose and mouth area was from his face being pushed into the cement? >> i didn't say that. can you -- >> there's no question. you answered my question. >> the blood coming through his nose. i didn't say how it got there. >> i'll ask it -- that is nonresponsive. objection. answer my questions, sir. >> objection is sustained. jury disregard the last remark that was not in response to a question. mr. nelson? >> thank you. you received that after the ambulance came you saw two additional officers, right? >> correct. >> and you prior to that happening had no idea that those two officers were back there, right? >> correct. >> so it's fair to assume that you did not hear any of the conversations between the officers, correct? >> i couldn't get close enough, correct. >> right. the question is, did you hear any of the conversations between the officers? yes or no? >> please repeat that. you said it different the first time. >> sure. did you hear any of the conversations occurring between the three officers with mr. floyd, yes or no? >> no. >> it's fair to say that as you were there, you grew angrier. >> correct. is that what you took from the video, correct. >> right. as you were there and interacting with officer thao and officer chauvin, you grew more and more upset. would you agree with that? >> correct. >> you grew angry. right? >> i grew control and professionalism. >> okay. again, you made a statement to agents garvey and eckert -- and in that statement you said -- >> your honor. i'm going to object to this form of cross-examination. >> overruled. overruled. proceed. >> in that statement, you said, "like i really wanted to beat the shit out of the police officers." you said that? >> yeah, i did. that's what i felt. >> you were angry. >> no. you can't paint me as angry. i was in a position where i had to be controlled. a controlled professionalism. i wasn't angry because i stayed on the curb. >> objection. nonresponsive. >> overruled. >> the motion will stand. next question. >> thank you. you started calling them names. yes? >> you heard that. yes. you heard the video. >> you called them a tough guy, right? >> you watched the video. >> did you call him a real man? right? >> you watched the video. >> do you have to answer the question yes or no based on what he's asking. >> i'll ask you again. so your answers should be yes or no. okay? >> yes. >> you called him a tough guy? >> i did. >> you called him a real man? >> i did. >> you called him such a man. >> i did. >> you called him bogus. >> i did. >> you called him a bum at least 13 times. >> that's what you count in the video? >> that's what i counted. >> that's what you got, 13. >> and that was early on. right? those terms grew more and more angry. would you agree with that? >> they grew more and more pleading for life. >> all right. after you called him a bum 13 times, you called him a fucking bum. >> that's what you heard? >> did you say that? >> is that what you heard? >> i'm asking you, sir. did you say that? >> you heard that. i'm pretty sure you did. >> you called him a fucking pussy ass bitch. did you say that? >> if that's what you heard? >> you called him a bitch. >> if that's what you heard in the video, yes, i did. >> and tat one point you said officer thao pushed you? >> that's correct. he put his hand on my chest is what i said. >> and you observed officer thao push someone else, right? or feel like he pushed someone else? >> i don't know if he touched anyone else. >> do you recall saying i dare you to touch me like that. i swear i'll slap the fuck -- the fuck out of both of you? >> yeah. i did. >> so, again, sir, it's fair to say that you grew angrier and angrier. >> no. i grew professional and professional. i stayed in my body. you can't paint me out to be angry. >> you were not standing, you were walking around, right? >> correct. patrol. >> and at times you would go forward towards where officer chauvin was, right? >> correct. >> and at times you walked to the side, correct? >> i didn't really get too close to officer chauvin, actually. thoa did not allow me to. >> you attempted to walk closer? >> i step off the curb. i stepped back on the curb. >> because officer thoa did not permit you to go forward? >> i stepped back on the curb. >> you were -- your voice, right, you weren't just saying you're a bum. would you gragree with that? >> you said i wasn't just saying that? >> the tone of your voice? >> the tone of the voice was loud so he could hear. >> and it grew louder and louder? >> so i could be heard. >> and after mr. floyd was taken by the ambulance, you continued to interact with officer thao as well as other people on the scene, correct? >> that is correct. after they retreated and then that retreat, i said what i said and they can say more to me. >> and you continued to yell these types of things after mr. floyd was gone, right? >> you mean, mr. thao and i had words back and forth, correct. >> i think you said something about hoping he would shoot himself? >> i didn't say i hope he's going to shoot himself. i said within the next two years, you will shoot yourself in your head for what you did. i didn't say hope. i don't hope death on anyone. the bible doesn't allow that. >> so, again, you continued to engage with these officers, right? >> thao. >> and your voice was loud, right? >> he tried to intimidate me. >> the officers -- most of the officers were on the other side of 38th street. >> me and thao were standing in front of each other. >> at one point officer thao goes across the street, right? >> they both retreat, correct. >> and you continued to yell these same type of things. >> probably -- correct. yeah. i wasn't being heard. >> and it was over and over and over and over again. right? >> because i wasn't being heard. >> yes or no question, sir. was it over and over and over again? >> yes, because i wasn't being heard. >> thank you, sir. i have no further questions. >> any redirect? >> yes , sir. >> thank you, mr. williams. i have a few more questions for you. in mma -- i'm sorry, in mma fighting, do you ever have a situation where your opponent is handcuffed behind the back? >> never. >> do you ever have a situation in mma where there are three people fighting against one? >> never. >> and when you were on the scene at 38th and chicago on may 25th of last year, when you were watching this interaction between these three minneapolis -- four minneapolis police officers and mr. floyd, were you watching a cage match at the time? >> well, i only seen two of them. so i was watching more of a humane shit show. >> objection. >> sustained. >> sorry about that. >> that's okay. >> okay. >> so you weren't watching a sport that day, were you? >> not at all. >> there was a blood show up around the nose and throat. are you -- based on your training and experience doing this yourself, can you apply a blood choke to one side of the neck? >> correct. >> and is that done in mixed martial arts? >> that is done, correct. >> so whether mr. nelson wants to ask you about doing it on both sides of the neck, you've seen it done on one side of the neck? >> correct. >> all right. and when you were when you were on that treat, mr. chauvin and mr. floyd, was it that kind of blood choke you thought you were seeing on one side of the neck? >> objection. >> that is correct. >> overruled. >> mr. nelson, i asked you about seeing times when somebody has been unconscious in a mixed martial arts fight. and come to and try to wrestle again. fight again. when an opponent is rendered unconscious through something like a chokehold in a mixed martial arts fight, is the fight stopped? >> right away. immediately. medical attention. right away. >> mr. nelson asked you about dealing with crowds that are upset in your experience as a security guard. when you're dealing with a crowd that is upset, are there ways to try to deescalate the situation without using force? >> that is correct. >> like what kinds of things can do you? >> staying calm, humane, talking to the person, trying to talk them down, just getting the person way from the situation. just being humane with the person will work for me and down tone me as a security guard. especially with drunk people, i'm babysitting pretty much. i have to come to and try to figure out a way to solve this problem without putting physical force to them unless they are trying to physically enforce it on me. >> so while with you are on the street on 38th and chicago of may 25th last year watch ing mr chauvin with in floyd dshgs you see officer thao try to deescalate that situation at all with the crowd? >> objection. >> based on your experience as a security guard and your testimony about ways to deescalate the situation, did you see thao doing anything like that while you were there on that scene? >> same objection. >> sustained. sidebar. >> and you've been watching day two of the derek chauvin trial. we'll be right back. my plaque psoriasis... ...the itching ...the burning. the stinging. my skin was no longer mine. my psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen... painful. emerge tremfyant™ with tremfya®, adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...can uncover clearer skin and improve symptoms at 16 weeks. tremfya® is also approved for adults with active psoriatic arthritis. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. tremfya®. emerge tremfyant™ janssen can help you explore cost support options. it doesn't happen often. everyday people taking on the corporate special interests. and winning. but now, the for the people act stands on the brink of becoming law. ensuring accurate elections. iron-clad ethics rules to crack down on political self-dealing. a ban on dark money. and finally reducing corporate money in our politics. to restore our faith in government. because it's time. for the people to win. no argument, no objections. i'll ask for a sidebar. the objection is overruled. you may proceed. >> ask the question again. >> when you were watching, is there a time you saw mr. floyd lose consciousness? >> that is correct. >> you were asked multiple times about being angry. >> that's correct. >> and more and more upset as time went on. >> correct. >> so why? why did you get angry and more and more upset as time went on? >> because they were not listening to anything i was telling them. i felt like i had to speak out for floyd because he was speaking out to the officer and there was no feedback, no emotion, no nothing like -- i could see the look in his eyes. >> let me stop you there. what -- force. >> we're going to stop the answer there. next question. >> what did you think was happening to mr. floyd? >> he was under distress. >> that enanswer will stand. >> you felt he was in danger? >> correct. >> in danger of what? >> objection, your honor. >> counsel, sidebar. >> and just to give you an idea of what is taking place right now in the questioning of eyewitness donald williams to the death of george floyd, the attorneys are having a sidebar with the judge right now in the line of questioning. we want to bring laura coates in to just go over what was probably one of the more combative exchanges that we've seen thus far early. we all agree in this trial. and that is with the defense attorney and this witness donald williams. the mma expert. and the defense attorney was continuing to press him about his anger, his anger. did you get angry? and what you heard from the witness was, no, i was controlled. i was professional. that stood out to me, what did you make of that? >> it's stood out to me as well. he is not being called as an expert witness. he is being called. he happens to be an mma fighter. he is bringing his personal observations and his personal opinions and experience to the testimony. he's not been qualified as an expert. and so what they're trying to do is a bit nonsensical if you're trying to attack him as an mma fighter as opposed to going after the thing they can't attack which is his personal observations. his imploring of the police officers to at the very least check a pulse, to take the knee off the neck of george floyd even after he articulated in that 911 call and during this conversation that we heard from the videotape. he was begging for them to do something. even approaching another officer who will later stand trial, officer thao. if that go to me particularly, he is very controlled even in the testimony. he was reluctant to be mischaracterized as angry, someone who his shouts as he said growing increasingly not angry, but increasingly pleading for human life. he wanted it very clear that his motivation was to save george floyd and there is one more point. he made the comment when asked why did you call 911 as opposed to calling -- or talking to the officers who were on the scene? and he, i'm paraphrasing, he said i felt no human connection to the officers on that scene. what a powerfully riveting statement of what an eyewitness saw. >> yeah. that stood out to me as well. we actually heard that 911 call. and you heard that play out. you saw his reaction to that. i want to pick up on this in just a minute. i believe the cross-examination has restarted. >> so, mr. williams, why did you think it was so important that you were not being heard? >> because i felt like with the side choke he would lose consciousness. i felt like he was in the process of losing consciousness also from the condition of my fish in the bag. >> overruled. >> you can continue. >> so like i said before earlier, he remuinded me of my fish in the bag. >> that last no will be stricken about the fish in the bag. >> and so then -- i'm sorry. >> so you were concerned about mr. floyd losing his life? >> correct. >> i have nothing further, yo your honor? further cross? >> you were asked a series of questions on redirect about your experience in mixed martial arts. do you recall? >> correct. >> can you tell me about any of the conversations that you had as you were being rendered unconscious in any of your fights? >> your honor, i'm going to object. here say. >> what did you ask me? >> just wait. let me rule on the objection first. the objection is overruled. you may answer if you have a recollection as to any time -- ask the question again. but don't answer until i say so. >> when you were engaged in mixed martial arts in your fights, in your competitive fights, can you tell me were you t able to have a conversation with your opponent as you were being rendered unconscious, yes or no? >> we don't talk to each other so no. >> nothing further. >> you said earlier you're not a medical doctor. >> that's totally correct. >> if mr. nelson is asking you whether a person can -- >> objection, your honor. >> stop. you're not allowed to give a medical opinion. mr. frank is going to ask you about your personal experience. if you have such a personal experience, can you talk about your personal experience. nothing more. mr. frank, please phrase it in terms of his personal experience not an opinion. >> i will, your honor. >> okay. >> in a mixed martial arts fight, when you are being rendered unconscious in a choke hold, you tap out. correct? >> correct. >> and that's to prevent it from going too far. >> correct. >> and the tapout is the communication you use to your opponent to say, hey, let up. >> that's correct. >> and your opponent has to follow that communication. >> that's correct. >> that's the rules of the fight. >> that's the rules of the fight. >> and so when you tap out, they know it's done and stops. >> correct. only type of verbally -- >> ask and answer the question. >> i have nothing further. >> any further cross? >> no, your honor. >> mr. williams, you are excused. thank you. >> members of the jury, our next four witnesses are going to be persons who because of their age i am allowing them not to be on the video broadcast. obviously, you'll be able to see them in the courthouse. but just so you know what is going on out beyond this courtroom. the video will not be shown. fu further, when they give their name and spell their names for the record, that will be off the audio that is being broadcast outside this courtroom. just so you know what the general public is seeing. you will, of course, see and hear everything. i'm also allowing contrary to what is often in the rules of decorum that we operate under that they can refer to other people at the scene by first names as opposed to mr. or miss. so that's what the court permission. they're not violating anything by doing so. the so with that, the state will be bringing in the next witness. there will be four in a row probably. we're not going to get to all of them before we take a break. probably one at most. okay? thank you. >> laura, let's get back to you as we're anticipating to hear these next four guests. can you give us a sense of who they are and what the judge was referring to when he said because of their age we're not going to be seeing them on screen. does that mean they're minors? >> yes. just before the trial began, as omar is reporting, there were going to be several minor witnesses, minor in terms of age, major in ermzterms of testy and what they were able to reveal as eyewitnesses. you recall that the statement by bl pl blackwell. you saw a girl in the love t-shirt. she was an eyewitness. she expressed that she is one of the people testifying about what specifically she saw. you know, it's very common to have minors testify in trials across the country. provided there is no issue with competency. the younger you are, the less likely you're able to be able to appreciate the difference between truth and lie. therefore, people are not normally calling them. they don't have the most keen sense of observation. but as long as they're competent in the sense of age and they had nothing that was able to undermine their ability to observe an event and they are able to articulate their viewpoints and they have the vocabulary to be relay what they saw, they are allowed to testify. but it is very prudent and very prudent of the judge as a safety issue here. not to identify the minors in a very highly charged, high profile case. the jurors themselves have not been identified by name. we're not watching and seeing them or their expressions. the same is now true for at least the next three to four witnesses who are all expected to be by virtue of their age minors. >> and first witness, the first we're going to hear from has just been sworn in by the judge. i'm going to interrupt you and i apologize for that. but i do want to ask you quickly about what we just heard from the previous witness, donald williams. we got a tutorial in mma and mixed martial arts. a lot of terms that i'm sure our viewers are not familiar with, side choke, air choke, blood choke. what did you make of that last line of questioning from the defense? can you have a conversation when you're rendered unconscious? where was he going with that in your view? >> i think it goes back to an earlier statement that the defense was trying to suggest. there was the idea of -- >> lau >> laura, hold on to that thought. let's listen into this next witness. >> you are nervous up there? >> yes. >> so understandable. i'm going to take a few minutes this morning to talk with you and give the jury a chance to hear from you about what you saw, how you reacted and what happened on may 25th. okay? >> yes. >> first of all, would you tell us how old you are? >> i'm 18 years old. >> and one week ago, were you 18 years old? >> no. >> so you just had a birthday? >> yes. >> and so when we talk about may 25th of last year, you were -- >> 17. >> are you a student? >> yes. >> tell us where you go to -- are you in high school? >> yes. >> where do you go to high school? >> ninth through 11th i went to roosevelt high school. then made the doecision to swith to oxford academy for my 12th grade year. >> okay. so you most certainly remember the date of may 25th of last year? >> yes. >> i want to take you to a certain time period on may 25th. around 7:00 p.m. on may 25th. do you recall walking to cup foods? >> yes. >> and were you by yourself? >> no. >> were you walking with a cousin of yours? >> yes. >> do you recall how old your cousin was? >> maybe 12. i'm not sure. >> yeah. maybe 9? >> maybe. now you're walking to cup foods, where were you walking from? >> home. >> so you live nearby? >> yes. >> would you describe cup foods as the neighborhood store? >> yes. >> now the jury may have heard something about this being a dangerous neighborhood. were you concerned for your safety in walking with your cousin to cup foods? >> no. >> if you had to estimate, how many times you would say you walk to cup foods from your home in the neighborhood? >> hundreds, maybe even thousands. >> so you and your cousin walking to cup foods, what were you going there for? do you remember? >> i was taking her to get some snacks. >> your cousin loves snacks? >> yes. >> so let's go to may 25th of 2020. i want to show you a couple things just to set the scene for our discussion. i want to show you what is marked for identification purposes for our purposes as exhibit 13. >> your honor, i think i need a hand. >> thank you. i got one. exhibit 13, do you see two people in that -- in what is a photograph? >> yes. but i also see two people back there. does that count? >> right. you see two people in the front of the photo and two people in the back. >> yes. >> is this photo a true and accurate depiction of you and your cousin? >> yes. >> in front of the photograph on may 25th? >> yes. >> your honor, i offer exhibit 13 in evidence. >> admitted. >> no objection. >> 13 is received. you would like me to publish? >> yes, your honor, thank you. >> now the jury can see it too. this is a screen that you can actually mark on. so if we see the two people that are right here in front of this picture, there is a little girl with the word love on her sweatshirt and there is another person next to her. one of those persons you? >> yes. >> and which one, the bigger or little one? >> the bigger one. >> and this is your cousin next to you? >> yes. >> and is this as you're walking to cup foods? >> yes. >> i want to show you what we mark as exhibit 16. if you can pull that up. >> now is this the video that you have seen before? >> yes. >> do you have personal knowledge of the scene that is depicted in this exhibit? is. >> yes. >> is this video a true and accurate depiction of the scene that you saw on may 25th, 2020? >> yes. >> your honor, they offer state 16 into evidence. >> 16 is received. >> so if you can play this a little way. i want to ask you some questions about it. so we can see what the jury, two people walking from the left to the right. there say little girl in the green shirt and there you are. do you see you? >> yes. >> and is this as you were approaching cup foods on may 25th? >> yes. >> i see your cousin goes into the store. why does she go into the store and then you turn around and then came back towards the squad cars? >> i wanted to make sure she got in. >> stop there for a second. >> when you walked past the squad car there, did you see anything happening there on the ground as you were walking towards cup foods with your cousin? >> yes. >> i see a man on the ground and i see a cop kneeling down on him. >> was there anything you didn't want your cousin to see? >> yes. >> and what was that? >> a man terrified, scared, begging for his life. >> is that why you directed your cousin to go into cup foods? >> yes. if you see what he was at the scene, what caused you to come back? >> it wasn't right. he was suffering. he was in pain. >> let me stop you there for just a second. you refer to the person that you come to know as george floyd. >> yes. >> did you know anything about mr. george floyd before may 25th? >> no. >> had you ever met him before? >> no. >> ever seen him before to your knowledge? >> no. >> so when you come back to this scene here that we can see in the exhibit 16, what did you do when you first got there and we see where you are standing. what did you do? >> i pulled out my phone. >> what were you doing pulling out your phone? >> recording, capturing what i was seeing. >> and we have already admitted them into evidence in this case. the video which you had done which is our exhibit 15. so tell the jury what you observed, what you heard when you stopped to look at what was happening there at the scene. >> i heard george floyd saying -- i can't breathe. please. get off me. i can't breathe. he cried for his mom. he was in pain. it seems like he knew -- seemed like he knew it was over for him. he was terrified. he was suffering. this was a cry for help. definitely. >> disregard any opinions about how mr. floyd was feeling. but you can rely on her observations. >> okay. mr. blackwell? >> thank you, your honor. >> let me show you for a moment, we'll come back to this discussion. let me show you exhibit 17. that is also already in evidence. so can you see the person depicted on exhibit 17? >> yes. >> you are able to tell ladies and gentlemen of the jury if if you know who this man is. you can take your time. >> yes. yes. >> please tell the ladies and gentlemen, who is this? >> this was the officer that was kneeling on george floyd's neck. >> on may 25th? >> yes. >> is this the way he appeared when you saw him on may 25th kneeling on george floyd's neck? >> yes. >> when you first arrived at the scene, you can take that down now. when you first arrived at the scene and you started recording with your phone camera, were there other bystanders or other present at the time? >> no. >> about how long before other people started to gather with you? >> not even a minute? . >> and could you estimate roughly how many others were just there around you or also observing what is happening? >> maybe about 12, 14. something around that. maybe. >> if i showed you a picture of those who were there, might you recognize those who might have been present with you? let's see. bring up exhibit 184. >> does that refresh your memory? >> yes. your honor, just one moment. let me make sure that it is only the one she can see. >> i got it. >> thank you, judge. >> as you look at exhibit 184, do these look like in this exhibit the other you about standers that were with you at the scene on may 25th? >> yes. >> your hohn yoshgs i ofhonor, offer 184. >> any objection? >> no, your honor. >> admitted. >> so looking at this picture, photograph of 184, can you identify for us any of the other bystanders? we know that you identified your cousin to the right. how about any of the others here in the photograph? >> this is former friend. a friend i went to school with, alyssa. >> would you just point her out so that -- you can mark on the screen. >> right there. >> i'm sorry? >> i'm sorry, judge. can you repeat that? >> the arrow is on the screen. >> the arrow is on the screen. she can point. >> just one moment, your honor. is she able to mark from where she is? >> she k can. she put the arrow on the screen. is that correct? >> yes. >> okay. >> you see the arrow, mr. blackwell. >> i can't see anything on the screen. all right. you mentioned there is another one of your friends in the picture? >> yes. >> and what was the friend's name? >> alyssa. >> and could you again point out alyssa? >> okay. now i see it. and what about any other person you know here? >> no. on the scene. i do know people that was there at the last minute. i know some of the workers. i lived there for a while. >> but you were there the whole time as the various group of bystanders gathered together on may 25th. >> yes. >> if if somebody were to tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury that you and the rest of the bystanders were there were an unruly crowd or mob -- >> objection. >> i didn't finish the question, your honor. >> let's rephrase as a nonleading question, please. >> all right. i want you to describe the nature and character of the persons gathered together there. would you describe yourselves as an unruly mob or an unruly crowd? >> objection. leading. >> sustained. no, overruled. i think that is the only way to get an answer. sidebar after this answer. go ahead. >> no. i would say everyone, we were reacting multiple different ways from what they were seeing which it wasn't right. we all know it wasn't right. >> objection. >> the last part of the answer is stricken. liked a sidebar with counsel. >> laura coates, let's bring you back in as we're awaiting for this sidebar to conclude. as we had mentioned earlier, we had just been hearing from an 18-year-old witness who is 17 years old at the time. she is classified as a moonor. we minor. quite understandable for someone that age or anybody to witness what they did. there were moments where she became a bit emotional. she did offer context as to why she was there and what she saw. what do you make of what she said thus far? >> it's been very powerful. very sad to see a teenager just talking about the idea of bringing her little cousin, the phrase to go get snacks. just strikes a cord with you as parent to know that children were witnessing what was happening here. and having her have the wherewithal to usher in her younger cousin inside so she didn't have to see what was going on. and what struck hurer is she hed a cry for help as she described him calling for his mother. taking he was terrified, scared. now, of course, the judge has stricken part of her testimony because of answers like that. because she's been offering -- >> laura, let's bring the viewers back in the courtroom. >> -- violent with the police? >> no. >> did you at the scene on may 25th, see any violence at the scene at all? >> yes, from the cops. from chauvin and from officer thao. i think that is his name. >> other than the violence you saw from mr. chauvin and the other police, did you see any act of violence from the bystanders that were there? >> no. >> did you see any of the bystanders act in any way that you would describe as unruly? >> no. >> do you think it's fair to call them a mob? >> no. >> among the bystanders that were there, did you see any of them make an effort to actually offer care for mr. floyd? >> physically? >> yes? >> i seen -- # # i heard them say fete get off of him, you're hurting him, he can't breathe, he's not moving. but anytime someone tried to get close they were defensive so you couldn't even get close. >> let's stick with what you heard the bystanders, saying things to mr. chauvin? >> yes. >> what things did you hear that were being said to mr. chauvin by the bystanders. >> you're hurting him, are you enjoying this, he can't breathe, he's not moving, his nose is bleeding, you're a bum. pretty much words around that category. >> and when you arrived at the scene can you describe for us first of all what was the position of mr. floyd when you arrived at the scene and saw him by the squad car? >> he was laid down on the ground restrained. it didn't look like he could move much, but his head. >> by restrained was he in handcuffs? >> yes. >> by restrained where was mr. chauvin in relation to mr. floyd? >> he was -- his knee was kneeling on his neck. it was two other officers holding him down as well. >> and what did you hear or see mr. floyd doing while he was being restrained underneath, as you described, the knee of mr. chauvin? >> he was complaining about -- he was stating that he was in pain, he said his neck, his back, everything hurts. i can't breathe. mom. he said i would get up if i could, something around that. i wouldn't say that's his exact words. but yeah, pretty much he was saying how much in pain he was. he couldn't breathe. >> at some point was there a person who came to the scene who identified himself as a firefighter? >> yes. >> are you able to see her in this exhibit 184? >> yes. >> could you point to her? okay, let the record reflect she's pointing to genevieve hanson. >> objection as far as the name. she's identified who she believes the firefighter. >> the record will reflect the witness has identified the person dressed in black, holding up a phone, with a white head band in exhibit 184. >> when this person who identified herself as a firefighter came, what did she do? >> she asked them to check his pulse. >> who did she ask to check? >> chauvin. >> and he -- she asked officer chauvin to check the pulse of mr. floyd? >> yes. >> then what happened? >> he remained kneeling on his neck, and she asked multiple times, not just once. >> then what did she do? did she try to check his pulse? >> no, they wouldn't even let us get close. >> and what prevented your getting close when you say they wouldn't let us get close. >> they were quick to pull out mace. >> who pulled out mace? >> officer thao and chauvin. i don't -- he put his hand on his mace. they put their hand on their mace. i can't remember if they actually pointed it at us but they definitely put their hand on the mace and we all backed back. >> did you feel threatened by the police officers? >> yes. >> did you feel threatened by mr. chauvin? >> yes. >> why is that? >> he seemed like -- how do i word this? i felt like i was in danger when he did that. it rubbed me the wrong way. i didn't understand why they would do that, what we did for them to make us -- to make them do that. that's how i felt threatened. i don't understand why the mace was even needed at all. >> so as you were observing mr. floyd under the knee of mr. chauvin, did you ever see mr. chauvin do anything to offer care to mr. floyd? >> no. >> did he ever either let up or get up so that he could breathe? >> no. >> did you ever see him try to administer cpr? >> no. >> did you see him call anyone else to administer aid to mr. floyd? >> no. >> did he call out and ask if anybody amongst the bystanders knew cpr who might be able to help? >> not at all. >> at what point did you see -- well, let me ask this. did an ambulance at some point arrive at the scene? >> yes. >> and you saw the ambulance arrive there? >> yes. >> roughly how many minutes after you first started watching what was happening to mr. floyd did the ambulance show up? >> the end of my video. the video was about ten minutes. i would say maybe somewhere around 9:00. not sure. >> so was there any point in your video whether it's nine or ten minutes that mr. chauvin ever let up or got up off of the neck of mr. floyd that you saw? >> no, if anything he actually was kneeling harder. looked like he was shoving his knee in his neck, like he was -- >> was it your experience then as the bystanders cried out that mr. chauvin kneeled in even harder? is that what you're saying? >> can you rephrase that? >> you told us that it looked like mr. chauvin was kneeling in even harder on mr. floyd. >> yes. >> was there anything that that was in response to, that he was kneeling harder? >> i felt like he was feeding off of our energy. >> calls for speculation. >> should we take our morning break at this time? >> yes, your honor. >> all right. members of the jury we're going to break until 11:15. we're in recess. you're watching day two of the testimony, a break now, the trial of officer derek chauvin, former officer derek chauvin obviously in the killing of george floyd in minneapolis. this is the second full day of testimony, prosecution witnesses also being cross-examined by the defense. you were just listening right there to a now 18-year-old witness, her initials are df, we are not identifying the minors who were there on that day. testifying about her firsthand recollections of the scene back in may watching, watching officer derek chauvin, she said, repeatedly, consistently kneeling on the neck of george floyd until an ambulance arrived. let's bring in our legal analyst laura coates to discuss the testimony today. laura, as a former prosecutor lay out for us why this is so important. we talked about this yesterday. for those who watch trial shows on tv this is very different because the prosecution is methodically trying to lay out who was at the scene, just to prove that they were there, substantiate that they were there, in part to get their eyewitness testimony but also to authenticate their videos that are a critical piece of the evidence, to prove that this witness, for example, took a ten-minute video and she was standing right there a few feet away from this crime. >> yes, you go through a holistic approach. if you're going to refer to these videos, different police reports, or any other data throughout the trial there will be some redundancy about the evidence that is given or exhibits. you want to have the people who were the ones either take them, draft or create the actual evidence to be able to authenticate it. it's a very important step so that you cannot later down the road claim that there was some sort of doctoring or somehow the prosecution put the thumb on the scale or did anything nefarious in some way. you have to go through this process. what you're also seeing here, john, is having corroboration occur. you're having what i saw. you're seeing -- almost like the road map of a prosecutor is i'm going to tell you what i'm going to tell you. i'm going to tell you. and then i'm going to tell you what i just told you. well, here i'm going to tell you what the evidence is. i'm going to show you the evidence. i'm going to show you the different vantage points and the people who were a part of it. the voices you heard on the video in the opening statement, i'm going to have the testify and witness talk about it. the statements you saw, the things that came in, i'm going to have it from the person, to the proverbial horse's mouth to tell you about these things. i'm going to give you different vantage points and also a different scope of credibility. because remember, as they tried to attack one of the witnesses already about whether he was an expert in mma, and whether or not his angry shouts imploring the officers to render aid to save a life somehow influenced their actions, it shows that it did not. but all that's going to be testing the different witnesses, giving the jury an opportunity to look at different witnesses and say, who do i believe? which testimony resonates? and it's hard to think that an 18-year-old who is crying on the stand was there to bring her little cousin to get snacks, john, was watching what she called a cry for help would be something that a defense attorney could somehow undermine or somehow try to call into question her credibility. >> and let's continue on that point, as you make the case, i think it's important for viewers, some of this testimony they might think why are they taking all this time, why are they doing this pain staking minute by minute but trying to build a mosaic of what happened on that day and shae those a video, one of the surveillance photos at one point that showed, again this woman's name is dt, if you've been watching and the video, she's the woman in the blue pants, she also identifies at one point a friend, someone she says she went to school with before and pointed her out on the video again, a potential witness down the road, someone you see holding a phone, photographing the scene right there, video, we assume of the scen

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