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spree and to meet with leaders in the asian american community, as well. >> this comes as the president also meets a major goal today, way ahead of schedule. 100 million covid vaccinations in his first 100 days in office. that is 42 days early. also today, the cdc is expected to announce new social distancing guidelines for children in schools. but as more states begin to ease restrictions, experts are warning of a potential psspike cases. several states are seeing an uptick as officials race to get more shots in arms. let's begin with our colleague, natasha chen. she is following the investigations into these shootings in and around atlanta. natasha, good morning to you. the atlanta police department with some new details this morning. >> reporter: jim and poppy, the fulton county medical examiner has now released the names of the four people who were killed at the two spas in atlanta, which police say the suspect had frequented before. here are those names. 75-year-old as you know si park. 69-year-old sun cha kim, and 63-year-old yeung a.yue. this is coupled with the fact that the atlanta police department issued an incident report yesterday describing some of the brutal details of how this occurred. describing some of the victims were shot in the head. two more asian women were among those killed at the location in cherokee county, here are we are. in total, eight people killed. so a lot of memorials have developed at this spa locations, including the one here in cherokee county. and we met someone yesterday, discussing with us the motivation of the shooter and how race may be involved. here she is. >> whatever reason this tragedy happened, whether it was mental health, whether it was sex addiction, it all comes down to, he targeted an asian american community. because at the end of the day, he went to three different sites where it's operated and owned by asian americans. and we need to stop that right now. it's a systemic racism. >> yes. and so that is a topic of conversation among a lot of people who are concerned about this. a lot of tension and fear in the asian community because of the rise of anti-asian incidents over the last year. and so the cherokee sheriff's department says they're meeting with the victims and they recognize the terrorism this community is feeling. the flags behind me are ordered at half-staff to honor the victims of this shooting. >> natasha chen, thanks very much. >> with me now is dr. michelle ow, a democratic state senator in georgia. dr. ow, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> you are meeting with president biden and vice president harris on their visit today. i wonder what your message to them is going to be. >> first of all, i want to say, it's such an incredible move for president biden and vice president harris to come and meet with members of the islander community in the wake of this tragedy. because what we've been hearing over the past year and over the past years and decades is one that our community feels we have been often overlooked and these types of acts of discrimination and violence against us have not been seen. is to have the president come and say, i see you, i hear you, i'm here to help means an incredible amount. >> the day before the shootings, you were warning about anti-asian violence. and the fact is, it has been with us for some time. it's in the numbers, it's in the data. i wonder what you believe is fueling this rise. >> well, you know, the reason i went to the well of the senate to speak about this issue is again, i did not want people to feel that this was an issue that georgia was immune to, right? i think over the past few months, we've been hearing more of these stories from the past year of increasing violence in cities like new york, los angeles, and the barrier, where there are more asian americans that live there. but georgia is not immune to these problems and i think a lot of this escalation has stemmed over the last year related to the coronavirus pandemic and the way that people attribute the blame to our asian american communities. >> you may have heard, republican congressman rodney davis said in his view, he does not believe that public figures using phrases like the china virus, like the former president did frequently, or even worse, the kung flu are connect ed to this dramatic increase. that those words don't matter. your response to him. >> it's remarkable for a public leader to say that the words of public leaders don't matter. so that's the first thing, quite a self-own. the other thing i have to say is people often attribute it to unrelated factors. it's not related to the rhetoric. however, the number of reported crimes and violence against asian discrimination -- against asian people has increased by about 150% in just the past year, all right. the other thing is that we know these kinds are vastly underreported. people feel like even when they are reported, nothing happens and people aren't listening. so i feel like we have to look deep at what the motivations are and not be so glib about dismissing the effect of public rhetoric. >> i spoke to the u.n. secretary general last hour. he made the point about this being a global phenomenon. and he particularly pointed to the words and the leadership of public figures. you posted -- you tweeted this morning, in fact, about a victim of the shooting at the gold spa location. her name was huang jung grant. she leaves behind two children, two sons. there's a gofundme page now. what more can you tell us about her life? >> this is a family that lives in my district. they live in duluth. they do have a connection with my senate team. i don't want to speak too much for them, but i think it's important that when we move forward and cover this case that we do center the narrative around the victims and the families of this crime. i'm sick of hearing so much sympathy and empathy and questioning the motivations of the shooter, the avowed murderer, and really continuing this narrative that the victims, the asian american victims and the other victims are invisible, right? up until recently, they have been nameless, we haven't seen pictures of them, so it's easy to forget that these aren't the real victims, not the shooter. >> we always want to remember that they're real people with real families experiencing real loss. >> you brought this up there. you heard from the sheriff the other day, questioning whether this in effect was motivated by hate. the fbi director christopher wray last night said that the massacre, at least at this point, did not appear to be racially motivated. i want to know how you respond to those statements? >> i want to point out two things. one is that in the state of georgia, 4% of the population is asian american. however, of the victims of this crime, of the eight victims, 75% of them were asian american. so if this was random, that is, you know, quite a sampling bias. and i just have to say, you know, everyone should go out and buy a lottery ticket. the second thing is that i think that we are too quick to parse out whether it was racially motivated or motivated by gender discrimination. these things exist in harmony, right? like, these things are always processed together. and all you have to do is see that of the 3,800 crimes that were reported to stop aaip hate, 70% of those were perpetrated against asian women in particular. so we have to look at the interplay of race and gender as we move forward and realize that the intersectionalty is what drives some of these hate crimes. >> profilers often say that. the overlapping of motivations. kind of a vicious cycle. well, dr. michelle au, thank you so much for coming on. it's a horrible issue to confront, but we appreciate your honest voice in this. >> thank you. i appreciate you for paying attention. >> mm-hmm. poppy? we are not even a hundred days into this new administration. president biden has faced some serious tests in a nation divided. today was supposed to be about promoting the stimulus package, but his trip to atlanta has changed dramatically. and this is about fighting hate now. let's bring in cnn senior political commentator david axelrod, also the host of a great podcast, "the ax files." david, really great to have you. let's talk about this moment. because you say this trip, in a way, underscores the entire narrative of this president and this presidency. >> you know, first of all, i'm thinking as a former white house staffer about how you can plan, you can plan the hell out of things and events take you in a different direction. this was supposed to be a day to celebrate progress and to celebrate the american rescue act and to sell the virtues of it. it turned into something completely different because of events you could not foresee, a massacre that is tragic and has really gripped this community and the country. and so he's going now in a different role, and that role is what we've seen so often, the consoler in chief, but also as a president who after all, just last week, talked about asian american hate crimes in his dpla national address. so i'm sure i'm going to speak, use this again as an opportunity to talk about that. so it's a different kind of trip than they had planned originally. >> it is. and we heard the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms, say it is a hate crime, whichever way you look at it. that is something the white house notably has not said. can you help us understand why that would be? >> look, on the one hand, you see six asian american women slaughtered in this way, you know, it's very hard to interpret it as anything other than a hate crime, but there were technical legal tests of this. and you know, the investigators are trying to prove it, prove his motivations in a way that they can charge. and the white house is sort of caught in between, you know, the technical term, hate crime. and the obvious dimensions of this crime that lead you to think and feel like it is a hate crime. and it does feed into it what we've seen for the last year, where hate crimes against asian americans are up 150%. my guess is that they will say today that this should be investigated as a hate crime. and one of the things about the politics and the presidency is that these things become larger than perhaps they should. how you refer to things and you know, they need to get around that and acknowledge what most people feel, which is, look, you kill six asian american women in this way, you target them as they apparently were targeted, that's a hate crime, whether it meets the technical test for prosecution or not. and they ought to investigate it as such. >> and a hate crime on two levels, both against asian americans and against women, which speaks to the critical importance of the vice president kamala harris being there. >> yeah, absolutely. can i just say one thing? i thought that the senator that jim spoke with a couple of minutes ago was really, really compelling. and one of the things that's disturbing about the -- so disturbing about this is the demonization of the victims. you know, the invisibility of the victims. and so that, you know, it is important to remember their humanity in all of this. yes, the vice president, look, she's the first south asian vice president and she's obviously a woman and so this has -- she's a particularly compelling person to speak to this, to provide comfort to those who have lost loved ones, but also to speak to the issue of hate in this country. so it is meaningful that she is along on this trip and that she will be isn't the center of this discussion. >> they're going to meet with stacey abrams while they're down here today and this is happening sort of at ground zero for the fight over voting rights in this country. >> this is another thing that may take the president off the message that he had anticipated relative to the virus and the american rescue act. but georgia is ground zero for the voting rights fight. the legislature there has really passed some draconian measures to roll back the ability of people to vote and make it more difficult for people to vote. stacey abrams is obviously on the point in fighting those. and has already called for the president and the senate to set aside the filibuster, so that the voting rights act that was just passed by the house can be passed by the senate. so this is another issue that the president is going to have to deal with. he took a step forward on the filibuster, in the last few days, calling for a talking filibuster. that may not be enough in this case. so he's going to have to deal with that issue, as well. so a whole menu of very difficult issues, as he arrives in georgia. undoubtedly, he will speak to the repugnant nature of trying to stop people from voting and the motives behind it, but the question will come up, will he then set aside the filibuster and take federal action to try to prevent these state measures from going forward. >> how far will he go on a number of these fronts. david axelrod, great to have you, thanks for the insight. >> poppy, good to be with you. thank you. >> jim? 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we have a lot of good news this morning. >> yeah, i think this 3 feet guidance that's going to be coming out is really important, when we go around reporting on schools, just finding the square footage necessary for 6 foot of distancing was challenging. that was the rate-limiting step for a lot of places. it was interesting how this sort of unfolded. there were these schools in massachusetts that were told that you should maintain 6-feet distance, but you have to do 3, you can do 3 and then they went back and looked at schools that did 3 feet of distancing versus 6 and found that there wasn't a significant distance in the overall viral transmission or county hospitalization rates or things like that. so we think this is good news. the world health organization since the beginning said 1 meter is adequate physical distancing. there's a couple of caveats, though. one is that about 41% of schools according to our reporting have done or need still to do improvements in ventilation, big changes in ventilation, hvac or smaller changes. and that may become more of an issue as more students are in these classrooms. and obviously, the basics still apply. masking and all of that still has to be done. >> we should note that this 3 feet, they're still saying wear masks. i wonder, sanjay, does this apply to other places where we have been advised to keep 6 foot distance? because, you know, that's become something of a mantra, right? we're used to that as the sort of definition of social distancing. >> right. so here's how -- it's a great question. here's how i would say it. first of all, the world health organization has said across the board, one meter, around 3 feet already. this was primarily evidence that was drawn from kids, from students, in these schools. and you know, this idea that does that then translate to adults, as well? it seems that it would, but i think that the -- what we're hearing from the cdc is they still want to collect some of that data. so, for schools in that environment, with adequate ventilation, yes. i don't think they're quite ready to say 3 feet across the board. >> all right. so, sanjay, we know you are a man of many talents. you're with us all week, as our chief medical correspondent. you do brain surgery on the weekend. but i didn't know you were a rapper. everyone, watch this. >> sanjay, you there? >> hey, daveed? >> i'll make this quick. >> i have some questions. >> what's on your mind? >> i've got songs to write. >> it will be fine, daveed. science is what you need. the vaccine is safe, my friend. it's going to bring this pandemic to an end. you see what i did there? >> yeah, okay, i trust it, thanks. oh, and sanjay, don't do that again. >> daveed, daveed, i don't know, i thought i was spitting fire. >> i hadn't seen it -- don't quit your day job? >> the ad council is very creative. i think daveed was actually upset. i think he was actually upset that i tried to rap. that's his gig. >> yeah, well -- >> the importance of it. the psa, it matters. >> the ad council does such a great job. vaccine hesitancy continues to be a problem and i think anyone that you can reach people to talk about it, i think, is important. >> well, so we can say now, sanjay, brain surgery is not rapping. it's not -- not on that level. it's not rapping. >> rapping's hard. it's definitely hard, as you can see by my performance there. >> but brain surgery is respectable. we'll grant you that. >> thank you. >> we know his parents are proud. the fbi is asking again for the public's help, now to find ten of just the most violent suspects caught on video attacking police officers during the deadly insurrection on the u.s. capitol. these acts are horrible to see. we'll have more on the manhunt, coming up next. hi. so you're the scientist here. does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day? 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( horn blaring ) the fbi is now making an appeal to the public, trying to get anyone out there who can help to identify ten people suspected of what it is calling egregious crimes against police officers at the january 6th insurrection at the capitol. >> and these crimes were caught on video. they were disturbing and you really have to watch them. the agency released a series of graphic videos showing some of those suspects beating police with metal poles, spraying officers with chemicals, pulling on their masks. you see that in the upper left-hand corner. joining us now is asha ran g gappa. given the wealth of video evidence and very clear pictures of their faces, fbi reaching out to the public for help, are you surprised at this point that they haven't been able to find out more about these people yet? >> no, jim. i think when we look at these videos, we see what a herculean task it's been for the fbi, just given the sheer number of people and the chaos that's going on there. i think, actually, it's really a testament to their dedication to homing in on every single person to create these individualized videos. and if you see, they've been able to use technology to get close-ups of faces, to actually isolate exactly what people are doing, what kinds of weapons they're using. and so, you know, i think it's going to take time. it's just a lot of people and i think for the serious charges like this, they are, you know, doing especially dedicated effort, as we see in this series of ten videos. >> you have also said, given the outrageous comments by some sitting lawmakers, including wisconsin senator ron johnson, you know, calling the mob people who love this country, that these videos being released are also really important just for historical testimony. like as a record of history. >> exactly, poppy. this is a record of exactly what happened. and these were not peace-loving people. we see incredibly violent acts happening here, in addition to countering this new narrative that this was not any kind of violent insurrection. there were also, you know, suggestions that people weren't armed. and what the fbi has told us is that they were armed. and even if it wasn't firearms, they were carrying bear spray, metal poles, using flagpoles. using the police officer's own shields. in one case, a police officer was attacked with a drawer that was apparently taken from a desk. so, this was a violent attack and i think it is important that it has been recorded so that these other narratives can't whitewash what actually happened. >> what is the progress of these investigations? we already have dozens of people cha charged. they're still looking for some, but how long will it take to, you know, reach completion of some of these trials here? because, you know, listen, it's a long process, but they've made a lot of progress so far. >> yes, i think it's going to depend on the severity of the charge. because as you get into more serious crimes with longer sentences, you have more elements to prove for those crimes, and you have a more stringent state of mind requirement, that people were doing things, for example, for conspiracy. the same thing for these assaults. so i think what we're seeing is a progression. we saw initial arrests on minor charges like trespassing and vandalism. we're now seeing these things are people are being charged just last week, and 65 overall for assaulting law enforcement officers, which will carry severe penalties. and i think the conspiracy charges, which we'll really get into subpoenaing records, communications, and also having these people turn on each other, to give information so that the prosecutors can bring charges and be able to prove them in court. >> asha, thank you for all of that. it's good to have you. >> thank you. kicking off with insults, the first major talks between the biden administration and the chinese delegation involve into a back and forth war of words. what prompted the public spat between superpowers, next. is now a good time for a flare-up? 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because sadly, politics has affected the approach to this on masks, on social distancing, on opening and closing restaurants and bars. now we're a year in and we'll throw some data up on the screen. if you compare three states, three of the biggest states, biggest cases here, on cases, infections, florida and new york and california pretty much track. if you compare them on hospitalizations, as well, california, florida, and new york pretty much track. and i wonder, is it an apples-to-apples comparison between these states, in terms of how they responded and what the challenge was? >> so it's -- it's definitely an apples-to-apples comparison. what we're seeing here is basically that different states had different policies. and we saw an outcome where if you're comparing certain metrics, it seems similar. but you can say if california did what florida did, california would have been much worse off than it is right now. and in fact, california being where it is is because of the public health measures it took, not in spite of them. and the best example of this is that los angeles county -- right? so early in the year, i'm from los angeles county, a lot of my medical school colleagues are now doctors training, working there. and for much of the year, l.a. county was not doing that bad. and when things start to reopen in october to december, l.a. county was decimated and actually accounts for a vast majority of cases relative to counties in florida. >> is density a factor here? is that one of the differences? for instance, new york city is one of the densest population centers in the country, in the world. and i remember speaking to dr. fauci early on. that was a factor in the spread of the disease there. i mean, is that a difference in that a state such as florida, a bit more spread out, as opposed to a place like new york or even southern california, where you have a lot of people living in multi-family or multi-generational, rather, homes. >> absolutely. so population density and also the kind of social interactions that you have. so in new york, you have a lot more people using public transport rather than being in their cars. and in l.a. county, you had a lot of front line workers that live in multi-generational households. there are reasons why we saw these places get hid very hard when they did. new york city early on, l.a. county at the end of 2020, whereas in florida, things a little bit different. the demographics are a bit different. we have more elderly people, and yes, they have a higher risk of having a bad outcome, but they have fewer contacts in a day than a front line worker does. so demographically, there are differences. there are factors there. >> is it possible then because of the circumstances of those states and really all the states are different, that the lesson is that there was no one-size-fits-all strategy, right, to get the same outcome? is that a way to look at this? >> well, this is what i would say. the public health measures that we know work are sort of the same regardless. because we're dealing with the same virus, it transmits in the same way, primarily through the air, droplets and different. indoor crowding, not using masks are going to affect new florida, california, new york, or wherever you are. the coutcome may be different. take wuhan that had more intensive measures. there you saw even more drastic decrease in the number of cases. you know, even in california, i wouldn't say things were perfect, right? people were still -- people could still gather. front line workers are not protected which is a huge factor. we saw a lot of spread there. and, you know, some of the policies like turning -- keeping beaches closed, for instance, may have led to people gathering more indoors during july 4th, for instance. there are nuances to a lot of the policies. >> understood. well, doctor, thank you so much for helping us go through this. too often, folks are throwing political charges. it goods to look at the data and learn something. we appreciate having you on. >> thanks so much, jim. >> a year after the covid-19 pandemic swept the nation, we know 30 million americans have been infected with the virus. and nearly 540,000 have died from it. >> the numbers are staggering. half a million people. cnn national correspondent miguel marques here with a look at some of the people and families behind those numbers. his one hour special is called "the human cost of covid." what did you learn? >> putting this into some sort of context, the millions of people who have contracted the virus, hundred dris of thousand that died during this pandemic alone, putting that in context is incredibly difficult with the mighty help of michelle roska, producer and jim murphy focused us in. we found a town called dalton, georgia. it is emblematic of everything the country went through. the -- just the deep sadness of death, the fear of this virus, the anger created by it. the conspiracies that came out of it. and now at the end of this very, very, very long tunnel, we're starting to see that little light. that light at the end of it. here's a little bit of the documentary, the hour on that part of the story. >> they're still in this community a lot of vaccine hesitancy. >> we don't have buy in locally yet from the latino community and certainly not from the caucasian community either. >> because they think the safety of it is not there? >> it's not. not only is it not there, it probably won't get there. >> i'm not telling anybody not to go get vaccinated. that would be irresponsible. i'm just saying i don't plan to. >> so there's a lot of different myths. one of them is well, is this a tracking device? >> you heard that? >> oh, yes. yeah. does it make you infertile? >> do you think the vaccine a vaccine? >> no, i don't want it. >> what is it? >> it's a vaccine. i don't think people tested it enough. i don't he think people know what's in the vaccine. >> do you think there is a tracking device? >> at one point it will be that. >> so that person we were speaking to, she actually lost two members of her family to covid-19. many more, maybe two dozen members, family and friends got sick from covid-19. and, yet, doesn't believe. and many of the stories, as much as people want the vaccine and demand for it, that vaccine hesitancy is still out there. dalton, georgia, is interesting. it's a small city, a big town in north georgia. it's fairly wealthy. it's the flooring capital of the world. they make a lot of carpets and flooring there. a very large latino population that works in the plants there. it's georgia, a big african-american population in the area as well. so it touched on a lot of things that the country was dealing with. it's an interesting hour. and, you know, for what all of us have been through in the last year, it is interesting to watch and see. back to you. >> okay. miguel, can we just ask what it's like for you? because, i mean, you were brought to tears after one of the pieces of reporting. you spent so much time in the e.r.s. you were in it throughout this whole year. >> it is hard not to break into tears now. that worry that we all have, do i have this thing? every cough, every sneeze, every bit of what you think is a fever, you think you might have it. am i bringing it home to loved ones? that underlying fear, you know, i mean, i certainly have never done anything like this other than cover iraq and afghanistan where not only is the country focused on it, you always have heightened sense of awareness and fear. it's been a hel l of a year. >> you have done a hell of a job. thank you. "the human cost of covid" airs tomorrow. thank you all for being with us today and all week. have a good weekend, we'll see you monday morning. i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. 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