lives are complicated when people like him stop masking up. it's the trauma the asian-americans are coping with and the ongoing attacks and fears of more attacks they face daily. a house judiciary committee heard about lawmakers about the climate of hatred they are experiencing. the committee heard from chip roy, the ranking republican who used part of his time to fondly recall the good ole' days when lynchings in texas were a-okay. >> there's old sayings in texas about, you know, find all the rope in texas and get a tall oak tree. we take justice very seriously and we ought to do that, round up the bad guys. >> so, to a community living in fear of random acts of violence during a hearing to address that violence in discrimination, congressman roy there seems to have praised the idea of mobs of people lynching other people from trees. just as americans of asian descent are being slandered with false loyalty to another country, congressman roy decided now is the time to stoke that fire as well. >> the chinese communist party, whatever phrasing we want to use, and some people are saying we think those guys are the bad guys, for whatever reason. and let me just say clearly i do. i think that what they're doing, targeting our country, and i think that what they are doing to undermine our national security and what they're doing to steal our intellectual property and build up their military and rattle throughout the pacific, i think it's patently evil and deserving of condemnation. >> now, the congressman isn't wrong in believing the chinese government does some pretty terrible things. it certainly does. what he fails to acknowledge or even seems to care about is that americans -- americans -- are being targeted for being of chinese descent or people believing they are chinese descent because some violent person thinks they are. congressman roy had fognothing offer them. he barely acknowledged them before veering off into what aboutism. >> the victims of race-based voi lens and their families deserve justice. the tragedy we just saw occur in atlanta georgia. i would also suggest that the victims of cartels moving illegal aliens deserve justice. the american citizens in south texas are getting decimated by what's happening at the southern border deserve justices. businesses closed and burned last summer deserve justice. >> to one of the asian-american colleagues, what he said was like saying who cares. >> we cannot turn a blind eye to people living in fear. i want to go back to something that mr. roy said earlier. your president and your party and your colleagues can talk about issues with any other country that you want, but you don't have to do it by putting a bulls eye on the back of asian-americans across this country on our grandparents, on our kids. this hearing was to address the hurt and pain of our community, to find solutions. and we will not let you take our voice away from us. >> putting a bulls eye on the community's back, as the congresswoman puts it, happened to loyal japanese americans during the second world war, k catholic americans in the 20th century, and it's happening to asian-americans after the pandemic. listen to john cornyn being asked about it one full year ago today. >> does that seem like the best thing right now to call it? >> that's where it came from. >> is it helpful? it alienates people. it sends the tone that there is a group of people to blame. >> i think china is to blame because the culture where people eat bats and snakes and dogs and things like that -- >> in the year since those remarks, the organization stopped aapi hate has recorded nearly 3,800 acts of hate against asian-americans and pacific islanders. arrests on attacks on two elderly victims just the latest in a wave of violence, the rhetoric from the former president and others associates covid with one particular racial group is indeed associated with an uptick in asian bias. ask a supporter of the former president and here's what you get. >> do you regret using terms like china coronavirus? >> i don't know. does cnn regret that? does the democratic committee that started out regret that? i would like to see why the shooter did what he did. the virus came from china. the knowledge we had at that time was exactly that. i don't think people should go after any asian in any shape or form, and i condemn every action to that. >> by the way, as for the congressman's allegations about cnn, we stopped using terminology very early on. we explained in language like this in march of last year. after consulting with medical experts and receiving guidance, cnn has determined the name is inaccurate and considered stigmatizing. we stopped a year ago. congressman mccarthy, he didn't. he doubled down. the former president went further hammering the phrase and calling it kung-flu over and over again to cheers and laughter from large crowds. but as much as the congressman would like to make it, this isn't a gotcha game over words. it's an example of times words matter. victims know this. the only ones who don't know this are the one who is are clinging to them. congresswoman strickland, appreciate you joining us. a number of asian-americans testified today in front of the house judiciary committee on this uptick in violence. have you noticed a change in behavior or attitudes since the pandemic began? >> oh, definitely. we know that hate crimes against asian-americans have increased about 150% in most cities. and you know, i have friends who tell me story of standing in line at the grocery store and having people say, you know, you're responsible for this. i have friends who work in health care and they've told me stories of patients not wanting them to touch them because they're afraid to get covid. so, as i said on the house floor yesterday, anderson, words matter, leadership matters, and we have to stop using this rhetoric that tragically i believe ended in death in atlanta. >> the fact that your house colleague, congressman roy, thought today was a good day to bring up lynching in terms that seemed kind of glowing about days when mobs would lynch people in the state of texas from trees, it was bizarre, if not wildly offensive. i mean, famously 17 chinese men and boys were lynched by an angry mob in this country. is there any reason to believe that chip roy understands or is really concerned about the fear that many in the asian-american community are feeling right now? he seemed to want to talk about a lot of other groups. >> i think with someone like chip roy, i think he probably knows better, but he likes to use language that's inflammatory and dramatic. and here we are in the news talking about him. if he chooses to be ignorant, that's his thing. but what we need to do is speak out against that ignorance and hate. >> law enforcement has not ruled out calling the shooting a hate crime. do you see it as a hate crime? >> i do see it as a hate crime and there are many elements into this. this was eight people were murdered. this was a result of gun violence. but i also believe it was an issue around racism and bigotry. and these were women who worked in a spa, and the shooter went there looking for them. and so we can talk about economic anxiety. we can talk about sexual addiction. but i want to make sure that people understand that when women are murdered, when women of color are urd manied, there is often a nexus between racism and misogyny and we cannot ignore that. >> when you read these stories, watch elderly asian-americans being pushed to the ground completely randomly by people just passing by, families in restaurants being harassed, spit on on the street. i spoke with jeremy lynn last night. he talked about how important it is for asian-americans to stand up and speak bt eight. he does feel there's this change particularly in the younger generation in this country and the willingness to -- and the sense of urgency about speaking out. is it enough to speak out? are you afraid that these attacks against asian-americans are just going to continue to rise? >> so, with any type of attacks on any group or any hate crimes, we need people to be punished and held accountable. i think that's what has to change. and you're right. when jeremy lynne talked about the fact that people have maybe historically remained quiet about it, that has to change. i believe for some people there's a narrative that if you're asian-american and something happens to you that you're just going to be quiet and go away. and things have changed. we saw protests happening around the country yesterday. we're talking about alliship between african-americans, latino-americans and people who want to join with us. so, this is just another example of the tragic history of racism that this country has. and it started with slavery. we know it included the expulsion of chinese-americans, the intouentournament of japane. people are exhausted. people want folks to be held accountable and we need allies who are going to speak out with us. >> were you surprised when you heard the -- i don't know if you saw the press conference. you may have read about the remarks made by the representative of sheriff's office in gwinnett county where the shooter was apprehended and where the first shooting took place, essentially said the shooter was having a bad day, was at the end of his rope. does -- that kind of language -- if the shooter was not a -- i mean -- i'm wondering how you interpreted those statements. >> it's absurd someone would even make that remark. do you know who had a bad day, anderson? the eight people who were murdered. do you know who had a bad day? the family members and loved ones who had to get a call from an official to say their loved one died. >> it was cherokee county. i think i misspoke. i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. the atlanta investigation, the question of hate crime charges and more about the 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targeted because they are asian, because of the way they look. and atlanta police held a news conference a couple hours ago. they're looking at everything, not ruling anything out. they also updated us with information about the suspect, he frequented these two spas here in atlanta. he purchased the hand gun he used in these shootings on the day of the shootings. but again, atlanta police stressing that it's just too early to say whether or not these shootings were racially motivated. take a listen. >> as a result of that, though, we still have an investigation that is still ongoing. our investigation is separate from the cherokee county's investigation. our investigation is slightly different. we had four asian females that were killed, and so we are looking at everything to make sure that we discover and determine what the motive of our homicides were. so, again, it's just very important just to let you know that we are not done. >> now, anderson, atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms believes race did play a role in these attacks. she says you just can't ignore that six out of the eight victims are asian women. and she also raised a good point, you know, mentioning the suspect's claims that this was not not racially motivated. he told police that was due to a sexual addiction, making him lash out at these spas. and mayor bat toms said you can't take at face value the comments of a confessed murderer. anderson. >> if part of what he has allegedly told police was he was trying to eliminate sexual temptation, the idea he equates sexual temptation with presumably asian spas, that, itself, seems based on race, which seems to counteract what the police have been saying about race had nothing to do with this. when will the alleged shooter appear in court? is it clear what the expected charges will be? >> so, he is charged with eight counts of murder in both fulton county and cherokee county. we don't know, anderson, when his next court appearance will be. he was scheduled for his first court appearance today, but that for some reason was cancelled on request of his attorney. so, he waived his right for a first appearance, anderson. >> i appreciate the reporting. we're going to hear more from mayor bottoms shortly. more on the fallout over the sheriff spokesman and what he said on camera. we're now learning what he posted online as well. natasha chen has that. >> reporter: the cherokee county, georgia, sheriff's office says captain jay baker is no longer the spokesperson on the case of a killing spree at three spas resulting in eight deaths. baker has come under fire for this social media post he allegedly shared last april showing custom graphic t-shirts reading covid-19 imported virus from china. the post read, love my shirt, get yours while they last. the account has been deleted. baker invited controversy in an answer to a reporter's question about whether the suspect understood the gravity of his actions. >> they got that impression that yes, he understood the gravity of it and he was pretty much fed up, at the end of his rope and yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did. >> if someone's having a bad day, you don't go around shooting people. >> mar i can't harris and her mother-in-law are muslim americans who live near the shooting. they said had the suspect looked more like them, the actions would not be chocked up to a bad day. >> terrorist, someone goes out and kills someone, it's terrorism. if a black guy does something, they're going to shoot him. >> i have a kid who is growing up in the society of child of color. how am i supposed to explain this to him? >> the cherokee county sheriff issued a statement regretting any heartache. part of the statement reads in as much as his statements were construed as inappropriate they were not intended to disrespect any victims, the gravity of the tragedy or express empathy or sympathy for the suspect. this woman says removing baker as a spokesperson on this particular case is not enough. she says law enforcement agencies should go further and offer better training to their officers. >> if you had more sensitivity training or if you were more in tune with your community, you would know that the words that you chose to use at the time, like he said, an event that he's not used to in his 28 years serving, he would know not to use his flippant language. >> natasha chen joins us. in addition to this, the cherokee county attended a vigil at one of the shooting locations tonight whacht did he say? >> sheriff reynolds said. so same things he said in the written statement. he also said that there wasn't any amino acid dish nal information at this time to suggest racial motivation. however, he said he wanted to let the asian-american community know that they're in his thoughts and prayers and that he was very shaken by this crime, anderson. >> thanks very much. reaction from atlanta's mayor, keisha lance bottoms. we spoke just before air time. >> mayor bottom, i want to talk to you about how people in atlanta are doing in a moment. first i want to hear your reaction to the sheriff's department captain in cherokee county. for him to say the alleged shooter had a bad day struck a lot of people as something he likely wouldn't have said for somebody else. and this revelation that the captain had previously posted a racist anti-asian covid-19 image online. >> yeah, that's very disappointing. i can tell you, anderson, in all honesty, standing there yesterday and having the benefit of getting a briefing before we walked in, i thought that he was relaying what the shooter shared with him. i obviously didn't have the information regarding the post he put on facebook. that obviously is inexcusable. i'll leave it to him to explain what that's all about, but we were focused on the eight people who were killed on yesterday. and that's been hanging very heavily over our entire city. and the unfortunate part is there's now an added layer to this. and it just really speaks to where we are as a country. there's so much that we have to learn about each other and our sensitivities to one another. and what we're seeing playing out with asian-americans across this country is hateful. it's not who we are as americans or who we should be as americans. so, i would like for us to focus on the healing that needs to happen in this country especially as it relates to black and brown communities across america. >> do you feel that you know what the motive of the shooter was because obviously police have said what they said. it has upset some people who -- but i'm wondering what your perspective is. >> well, it looked like a hate crime to me. this was targeted at asian spas. six of the women who were killed were asian. it's difficult to see it as anything other than that. what we know about the definition of a hate crime is it can also be based on someone targeting women. so, there are many areas of hate that are covered within the definition of a hate crime, so i think any way that you look at it, it is a hate crime. it should be treated as such, and hate people were murdered. i know he's already been charged with that. but i do think it's appropriate that the prosecutors look at the most stringent and stiffest -- most stiff laws that can be applied to this. and i think it's difficult to see it as anything other than a hate crime. >> do you know at this point what those laws -- what laws might apply. when you say the stiffest, do you have a sense of where that might go? >> well, obviously there's an opportunity for federal investigators and prosecutors to engage. we know that we are looking at two different investigations in our state. there's one in cherokee county. the deputy that you mentioned is a cherokee county deputy. then there's the one that happened in atlanta in fulton county. but regardless of what the state charges are, there's still an opportunity for federal hate crime charges to be brought as well. >> there's clearly increasing fear among communities of color across the nation. i'm wondering what is being done in atlanta now to help protect citizens and the labor concerns and is there more that can be done? >> well, we've spent a lot of time over the past day or so reaching out to people in the asian community just to make sure that we have all of the information that we need to make sure that our communities are protected. president biden and vice president harris are coming to atlanta on tomorrow. there will be a discussion with several leaders during their visit on tomorrow. and we're going to continue the dialogue. >> do you feel like hate speech and obviously that hate speech and violence pre-dates the former president. do you feel like things have gotten worse just because of the rhetoric of the last couple of years? >> i know they've gotten worse. there seems to be permission now to be hateful. and this is something that this country has dealt with since the creation of this country. but there seems to be a permission that i have not seen at least in my lifetime that this president has given to people. and it is -- it's -- we saw it play out on yesterday. we've been watching it play out. we've seen it play out on social media. we've seen it on cnn. we've seen people attack. and this summer we went through this, having this whole discussion about where we are as black people in america. now we're having a continued discussion on the hatred that is being -- that asians and american are on the receiving end of. and what we know is this is not the first time for the asian-american community either. so, it does pre-date donald trump, but he certainly has given permission and done his part to elevate the hatred. >> mayor keisha lance bottoms, i appreciate your time. thank you. still to come a testy exchange between dr. fauci and senator rand paul about the safest way to reopen the country. also new videos from the january attack on the capitol and the request from the fbi to help identify some of the people in it. so you can book a great deal now, and always change later. kayak. search one and done. ♪ ♪ like an echo in the forest ♪ ♪ (singing in korean) ♪ ♪ like an arrow in the blue sky ♪ ♪ (singing in korean) ♪ ♪ on my pillow, on my table ♪ ♪ yeah life goes on ♪ ♪ like this again ♪ ♪ oh oh oh oh ♪ republicans pushing a quicker reopening of the country and top officials who urge a more cautious approach adjourned testimony today. senator rand paul questioned dr. anthony fauci about the need for masks. >> what studies do you have that people that have had the vaccine or have had had the infection are spreading the infection. if we're not spreading the infection, isn't it just theater. you've got the vaccine and you're wearing two masks. isn't that theater. >> here we go again with the theater. >> what proof is there that there is significant reinfections from hospital variations? >> because we don't have a prevalent of a variant yet. we're having one -- can i finish? we're having 117 that's becoming more dominant. >> you're making policy based on conjecture. >> it isn't based on conjecture. >> you won't be able to wear a mask for a couple years. you've been vaccinated and parade around in two masks for a show. >> masks are not theater. masks are protective. >> they are theater. if you have immunity, you're wearing a mask to give comfort to others. >> i totally disagree with you. >> we should point out while the united states as administered 116 million doses of vaccine, the country is also seeing a double digit rise in cases in 14 states now. half those states the increase is more than 20%. joining us is dr. leana wen. we just saw the exchange. i'm wondering what your reaction is from a medical doctor, the senator is an op that meteorologist. what do myou make of his comments? >> i saw a clash between medicine and politics, the same kind of clash that has kaerk triezed our response to the pandemic. what dr. fauci was saying was medical science and senator paul responded with at best wishful thinking. right now we know that masks and vaccines, that's our ticket back to normalcy. and we have more contagious variants. we have increases in number of cases. we are coming off a high baseline level of infections. we need both masks and vaccines to get us through that. that's the message i would want all our leaders to carry forward. >> the cdc director said more guidance is coming soon once they're fully vaccinated against coronavirus. if senator paul is any indication, there's clearly confusion whether it's disingenuous or not. you said the last round of guidance was a missed opportunity. >> right. and that's because i am really worried about vaccine hesitancy as the main barrier that's going to prevent us from reaching herd immunity. we're seweing restrictions all over the country. we're seeing travel at an all-time high. people are already going back to pre-pandemic normal. and we have an opportunity to make clear what the benefits of vaccinations are. we know the vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease and substantially reduce your risk in each different type of setting, whether it's going to the restaurant or seeing family and friends. what the cdc needs to do is to say for unvaccinated people here are the activities that are low risk, high risk and medium risk. then they need to say for vaccinated individuals, you're automobile to do so much more. nothing is going to be zero risk, but many of these activities that were formally high risk are now low risk. i think that type of benefit of vaccination really needs to be illustrated to people because for a lot of people they are so desperate to get the vaccine that many others need to be shown what is in it for them. >> we've learned the cdc has updated physical distancing guidelines from 6 feet to 3 feet, do other measures need to be made to make up for the lack of distancing? >> that's exactly right. i think we need to look at the distancing as a layer of mitigation. if you remove that layer you need to put in other layers of protection. the cdc can come out and say you can go from six feet to three feet but you have to have twice weekly testing, upgraded ventilation. and i think with e need to look what is the role of vaccination. at a certain point can we say teachers and staff all need to be vaccinated and maybe even parents because if you have enough community immunity for that school because kids are not able to be vaccinated yet, maybe that is going to help to make school safest. >> dr. fauci talked about kids today, kids may need to be vaccinated before we can see herd immunity. how does that square with reopening schools for in-person learning ahead of vaccines being approve for kids? >> it's going to be hard and i think this speaks to the broader problem. we've been todaying we need 75 to 80% of the american population to have immunity. but if kids are not able to be vaccinated we're talking about 90% plus of adults will have to be vaccinated. and i just worry that we're not going to be able to reach that number. and this is why i think we need to do everything we can to increase not just the education outreach but getting vaccines to people. we need to make vaccination the easy choice by going to churches and workplaces and schools and really helping people to overcome the barrier of access. >> dr. david kessler is a top official at the department of health and human services told members of the senate, quote, we'll have within 90 days in essence quadruple the vaccine supply. i believe we'll be shipping from a supply issue to demand issue pretty soon. if we're looking at equity, so many communities lagging behind because of lack of access or hesitancy, how does this change the outlook for those people if at all? >> there are three barriers that are preventing us from reaching herd immunity. one is supply. two is distribution of the vaccine. and third is acceptance of the vaccine. i think it's great and credit to the biden administration that we're going to have enough supply. also credit to the biden team that we're ramping up distribution so quickly. but i think we need to address this third issue, that of vaccine acceptance head on. and i think so often we're putting people into two categories, people who really want the vaccine and people who really don't, the anti-vaxxers. we're neglecting a huge number of people in the middle who want to get the vaccine but may have some concerns or just don't have time to take time off work or find child care. we need to make vaccination easy for those individuals and also really clearly demonstrate what is the benefit of vaccination, make clear the messaging that vaccines are the path back to pre-pandemic life. >> appreciate your time. today the fbi released several new videos from the january 6th capitol riot. investigators are hoping you, the public, can help identify some of the rioters who they say are responsible for some of the violent attacks. the investigations are far from over. jessica schneider joins me with more. let's talk about the new images. this comes as some members of congress are trying to down play what happened on january 6th. >> these are probably some of the most shocking videos we've seen released in the past two months and it's because these videos cast a spotlight on ten of these most violent individuals who are really visually attacking law enforcement. and they're coming out now because investigators have spent the past eight-plus weeks poring over every angle of video from every source to perpetrate the videos here. they have faces but don't have fame names. take a look at some of this video. we're seeing some of these graphic and brutal attacks play out on video. you can see this one man punching at a police officer. this next video shows the suspect grabbing a police officer's helmet. it's coming up next. right there. yeah. grabbing a police officer's helmet and face mask and banging his head into a door jam. that officer who is attacked there, we now know that officer was daniel hodges. he told us back in january how he was savagely attacked. >> there was a guy ripping my mask off and he was able to rip away my baton and beat me with it. he was practically foaming at the mouth. so, just these people were true believers in the worst way. >> is there any sense of how many more arrests are in the works? >> yeah, officials have said there could be at least 100 more arrests in the coming weeks and months. and they've told us all along this is going to be a long process. they have to identify the people. they have to find them and charge them. and we've learned there are still 250 unidentified people. these are people who are up on the fbi's website. so, the fbi's urging the public to go to their website, look at these people, help them identify these people they haven't been able to pinpoint yet and send the tips in. and the website is tips.fbi.gov. there's still a lot more work to do here. a lot more arrests and charges. >> the faces are clearly visible, which is extraordinary what they've done with the recognition of it. it's just a question of getting in front of enough people's eyes to see. jason crow was in the house galleries. the attackers breached the complex. i spoke with him just before air time. when you saw this new video released by the fbi showing insurrectionists attacking capitol police just on the heal of congressman louie gohmert of texas along with 11 house republicans trying to get the word insurrection stricken from a resolution honoring the police because in gohmerts words it was language that was neither fair nor accurate, what goes through your mind? >> i just asked the question is anything sacred to some of these people? we have police officers that were murdered, over 140 that were brutally beaten, and they want to play politics with this? it's just beyond the pale really. and that's why i introduced the capitol remembrance act, to make sure we're not sweeping this under the rug, that we continue to draw attention to what happened. >> louie gohmert said -- i want to read the quote. i'm all for the medals, but the speaker's legislation contains legislation that was fair nor accurate. there was no armed insurrection. nobody had arms. just trying to keep it honest so we only put truthful things in the bill. first of all, the word armed means to be armed with a weapon. there were tasers. there were people using hockey sticks to bludgeon police officers, flag poles. i mean, it's -- even by louie gohmert standards, that is a ludicrous statement. >> yeah, which is really saying something, isn't it? because he's made some pretty ludicrous statements. but yeah, there were pipe bombs planted outside the dnc and the rnc. they had built a gallows. let's not forget they had built a gallows outside of the capitol. you know, i just -- when i think about this, i think about the fact that in the days after this insurrection, you know, those capitol police officers, many of whom had become friends of mine, i'm watching them limping around capitol hill covered in bruises. i called one of them the next day who i've gotten to know pretty well. and he was covered in bruises, limped around, but he showed up to work the next day. and people want to play politics with that? i'm just not going to let it happen. >> there's also senator ron johnson who said he never felt threatened by the insurrectionists because he, quote, knew those people who loved this country, truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law, end quote. it's gohmert-esque. he said he would feel differently if they were black lives matter demonstrators. how do you work alongside these people? >> well, there are some people that i just don't, right? i mean, i just won't. i'm not going to normalize certain behavior. there are people that are kind of pretty beyond the pale at this point. i'm not going to normalize that by trying to work with them. that's a small handful though. there's a awful lot of folks, gop colleagues that are trying to do the right thing, trying to move things forward and i'm working with them and that's where i'm focusing. i'm certainly not going to normalize depraved behavior or immoral behavior when i see it. we have to make sure we're not as a society normalizing this. senator johnson's comment he would have felt a lot less safe if there were black lives matter protesters i think speaks volumes about whaer talking about here. i think we have to acknowledge that these insurrectionists, this mob, eight lot of these folks were white supremacists, white nationalists. we are still dealing with systemic racism in this country. that was a huge driver behind what happened. his comment illustrates that point. it illustrates the fact there are people who want to perpetuate the systemic racism and he is part of that problem. >> the idea that people love law enforcement, would never break the law who are attacking police officers, injuring police officering and attacking the seat of democracy is -- i mean, it's -- you know, it's shocking. now you have kevin mccarthy today saying he did not try to change the outcome of the election, which is not true. he backed a texas lawsuit to invalidate million of votes. you know, so i understand people trying to rewrite history years from now. but immediately while, you know, the memories are still clear and the wounds are still visible to have these lawmakers try to kind of rewrite what they did and what actually happened, it just seems a slap in the face to all those who continue to suffer. >> well, logical consistency is not the strong point of some of my colleagues here on capitol hill, those folks that want to just say something completely different than what actually happened. but my obligation -- i have an obligation as do a lot of people -- to actually stand up and call that out. if we just let it pass and let it go, then that stuff starts to kind of seep into the public consciousness. so, we have to make sure that we keep on stepping up and saying no, that's not what happened. here are the facts. here are our societal values and our morals and we're going to continue to stand up for those. >> congressman carr, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. just ahead, breaking news about an unprecedented verbal exchange between top u.s. and chinese diplomats who were meeting face-to-face. also president biden calls vladimir putin a killer. thomas freedman joins us to talk about both stories when we return. e advantage of. see a doctor in the morning here... or talk to a nurse in the moonlight there. ♪ wow, uh-huh ♪ unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans. take advantage everywhere. ♪ wow. ♪ advanced non-small cell lung cancer can change everything. but your first treatment could be a chemo-free combination of two immunotherapies 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what price must he pay? >> the price he'll pay, well, you'll see shortly. >> they're referring to the release of a report by the director of national intelligence that said russia intervened in the 2020 election on the side of the president. in response, russia recalled its ambassador. today putin said this. >> translator: what, would i answer him? i would tell him, be healthy. i wish him good health. i say this without irony, without jokes. >> he says it also with the knowledge that he's been linked to several high profile poisonings which he's denied including one of a russian dissident last year. putin said when another victim was released from the hospital, i wish him good health. thomas friedman, author of "thank you for being late," when you hear vladimir putin's response to biden, how do you interpret that? >> you know, anderson, vladimir putin is like america's bad boyfriend from hell. he's this guy who won't go away. the truth is we want to date other people. we want to focus on china right now. there was a time called the cold war when russia threatened to take over the world with a communist ideology and nuclear weapons. those days are long gone. we would like to forget about putin. the fact is russia makes nothing that americans want to buy. 52% of their exports are oil and gas, 2% are machinery and computers. so the only thing they sell that we want are basically dolls, caviar and vodka. we would like to forget about him. but he doesn't want to forget about us because him being in a fight with us gives him status. so he just won't go away. biden would really like to focus on china but putin does have a cyber capability. they did break into some of america's government agencies and a lot of companies. but you really want to ask him, what are you going to do with all those credit card numbers, vlad, go on a giant amazon buy? what is it you're up to? think about russia, anderson. this is a country that gave us sak sakharov, tolstoy, rachmaninoff. and vladimir putin will be remembered for giving the world poisoned underwear. that's what he did to navalny. so it's kind of pathetic. we have to deal with him, we have to brush him back, but our real focus needs to be building up our muscles for the competition with china. that is the game. and do our best to ignore this bad boyfriend from hell. >> chinese intelligence operations against u.s. businesses and u.s. interests is massive in this country. we do focus a lot on russia because they have been so involved in the last two elections. but that's just part of the concern about china. >> there's no question, china uses espionage for industrial purposes. but, you know, anderson, at the end of the day, all the things we're stealing in america are hiding in plain sight. the constitution, the declaration of independence, a free and fair judiciary. as long as we can keep those at a high level, we'll be an example for the world. and we'll always invent the next new thing. so that's really what i'm focused on right now, building up our internal strength, by building on our best institutions and values. because if china's game is that they've always got to steal our next secret, that's not a very productive game. i think china actually has much greater capabilities than that. but, you know, i think we've got to focus really now on building our own strength. >> there's this breaking news now that two of president biden's closest envoys, the secretary of state and the national security adviser, are meeting with chinese officials in alaska tonight and tomorrow. cnn is reporting the initial meetings at the summit have already boiled over into public criticisms and insults from both sides. what does it tell you about the nature of that relationship? >> well, basically, you know, anderson, between 1979 and 2019, there was a kind of four-decade relationship between the u.s. and china. it was an era of i would call unconscious integration. we really became one country, two systems, in many ways, not hong kong and china. and chinese could work and operate here, americans could work and operate there. that 40-year era is over. now we're trying to define what will be the new era. during that 40-year era, china sold us shallow goods, shirts we wore on our backs. we sold them deep goods, computers, wherever, things like that that went deep into their system. what's new now is china can make deep goods, they can make 5g, they can make computer and software that go in our systems. when they sold he is shallow goods, we didn't care whether they were authoritarian. but when we want to sell them deep goods, the fact that we have no trust, no shared values between us, really matters. and we're now trying to sort out with them what is going to be the new basis of the relationship. >> there's also the question of, you know, chinese expansionist interests throughout asia. obviously we've seen what's happening in hong kong, taiwan, you know, china in africa. it seems like china has a longer game plan than the u.s., which certainly seems to kind of tack left and right but not necessarily have a 30-year strategic plan. >> well, that's the problem right now. i mean, you know, we are not -- i've probably said this to you before. i think china is the worst good morning system in the world. they're getting 90% out of a bad system. we have the best governing system. we're getting 10% out of our system. we've got to change that. we can't be wasting our time debating about a woman who thinks jewish-run space lasers start forest fires. china's not doing that. we have to focus on building our strength, because anderson, good ideas, human rights, democracy, the rule of law, an independent judiciary, those values dominated world for the 50 years after world war ii because we were strong. we won the three big wars of the 20th century, world war i, world war ii, and the cold war. ideas follow power. if we are not powerful, our ideas will not be powerful in the world. china's was. that's why i keep coming back to america. what we do, if we are serious about planning and building our strength, investing and research, infrastructure, and yes, immigration, to attract the world's high iq risk takers, we're going to be fine. and if we don't, we can insult china all we want but we will be not leading the way and they will not be paying attention to us. >> we only have 30 seconds left, but that's part of building up america, you're saying, embracing the risk takers, embracing people from all over. >> we got rich as a country, anderson, because all our great presidents built up our government-funded research to inspire new companies, built up infrastructure, attracted the world's most energetic and talented people. they set up rules to encourage risk taking and prevent recklessness. we've got to focus on that. and the name calling between us and china or us and russia, it's not going to matter if we are not strong. no one will take us seriously. >> tom friedman, as always, thanks very much, appreciate it. the news continues with chris cuomo and "prime time." everybody in the media is rightly telling you the good news tonight. president biden announced that by tomorrow we will have met his goal of vaccinating 100 million americans. 42 days ahead of schedule. it's great news. why? because he has an administration that is taking it seriously, dealing with it on all fronts and is not distracted by

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