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Military. Weve got a lot to cover for you this hour. Joining me now is cnns senior political analyst Kirsten Powers and former top aide to Paul Ryan Brendan buck. Good to see both of you. Thanks for joining. Brendan, you first. The gop really is in complete disarray, some pushing these bogus lies about the insurrection, telling us not to believe what we saw with our own eyes. Only a few republicans really are standing up against them. Meantime, theyre opposing covid relief. What message do you think this sends to the american people, brendan . Well, i think theyre searching for that. And i think thats one of the reasons why the covid bill is so popular right now. Its one of the more popular bills major bills ive seen come through. I think republicans woke up a little late to messaging on it and thats got them behind the 8 ball. Look, theres a lot to argue the bill about and i think that theres a good argument that we spent about 4 trillion on covid so far and if you want to make the argument another 3 trillion joe biden has coming is too much i think thats a very fair argument and i think thats a sound place for republicans to start trying to get on the same page. But this isnt going to be the bill thats going to define this congress. Its not going to define joe biden. Republicans now need to find a way to go on offense and talk a little more about how joe biden is being controlled by the far left and hes not the moderate that he says he is. So kirsten, cnns kfile is reporting an ally of congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene was among those in that capitol mob. His name is anthony aguero. And he is admitting that the truth about the 6th. I want you to take a listen to this. We were all there. It was not antifa and it was not blm. It was Trump Supporters that did that yesterday. Im the first to admit it. Being one myself. Okay. So he admits it. Hes a close contact of hers or acquaintance. How is it that greene and senator johnson still claim that this wasnt Trump Supporters who rioted when this person is admitting it on tape and all the people who are being charged are saying we are Trump Supporters . Because i dont think they have any theyre not even attempting to be truthful. This is not Marjorie Taylor greene is not in any way trafficking in the truth at any point. So its once you have bought into the Conspiracy Theories that shes bought into shell say anything. She probably knows that its not true what shes saying but she continues to say it because this makes her popular i guess with people she wants to be popular with. But looking for people who have ascribed to the kind of Conspiracy Theories that shes ascribed to to be reasonable or to say the truth, i just i think is a waste of time. I want the folks at home, and brendan, i want you to listen to this because i want you to respond. I want you to check out this video. Its of aguero he post td on his instagram page. I want you to listen to the crowd say heaveho. Here it is. [ crowd chanting heaveho ] now i want you to take a listen to this. [ yelling ] so we dont know if this is the same incident. Its part of the insurrection. We dont know if its the exact same incident. You can clearly see protesters trying to breach a doorway being held by police. People died. Others were severely wounded. How can senator ron johnson or anyone else for that matter claim these were just jovial protesters, brendan . You know, i think ron johnson has really become emblematic of some of the rot in the Republican Party right now. Its very easy i guess if you want to live inside your own bubble in this little ecosystem where trump can do no wrong, where theres always someone else to blame. Ron johnson has been deep on some of the craziest stuff from the beginning. He was all in on the election was stolen. He was big on burisma. You know, anything that he comes across on the internet is like youre a u. S. Senator. Wheres your filter . Where are you looking to find out whether something is true or someone but he seems to have found a very comfortable zone for himself inside this trump bubble where anything goes and you can say anything and theres always someone else to blame. And hes a u. S. Senator but hes also representing a lot of the Republican Party right now that doesnt feel like they have to be in touch with reality at all because it makes them feel good. But brendan, listen, its not just the Conspiracy Theories. Its really incredible that republicans suddenly think that mean tweets disqualify a person from serving in our government. Listen, no one should be mean tweeting or calling people out of their especially elected officials. But how many times did they tell us that they dont Pay Attention to trumps twitter page . Somehow it was beneath them or it didnt it was insignificant. But now mean tweets are suddenly significant to them. Look, theres no doubt theres hypocrisy there. But lets be honest. There are a lot of people who are not hypocrites who are raising issues too. Mitt romney, lisa murkowski. And lets be clear. Is joe manchin a democrat who took neera tanden down. It was this white house that did a horrible job of rolling this out. They told bernie sanders, the chairman of the Budget Committee who oversees her confirmation, found out this from the news. Didnt get any headsup. So yes, republicans are hypocritical but most of these republicans werent going to be voting for him voting for her in the first place. This white house is really to blame for stirring this up. They have the majority. They have the majority. If they wanted to get this done, they could. But it was democrats ultimately who arent putting up the votes for this. He has a point, kirsten, talking about joe manchin, right . Because joe manchin is the one whos saying im not going to do it. But listen, as far as hypocrisy, the hypocrisy part, hes right too. They are hypocritical. The white house says tonight they are fighting for tanden but republicans say they would support Shalanda Young who was nominated as Deputy Director of omb. How much Political Capital should biden spend here . Look, the way i look at this is this is a bigger problem that goes beyond neera tanden. I understand that people look at this progressives, for example, who dont like neera tanden. Bernie sanders supporters, for example. So its not just republicans. But it is republicans who are blocking her. And joe manchin is a democrat but hes kind of a democratish. Are you calling him a dino . I mean, hes not he is known for kind of hes from a very conservative state. Lets put it that way. But the point is this is bigger than neera. This is something that has been going on as long as i have been working in and around politics, you know, in journalism. Its something im sure you have seen over and over again. Where women and people of color are held to completely different standards. And im not saying that theyre even doing it consciously. But when you watch senator kennedy, the way hes talking about neera tanden, and then turn around and call another woman of color a wack job what is up to be for senate confirmation, hes not even conscious of what hes doing. You know, there is such a blatant Double Standard that you are complaining about neera tanden saying that Susan Collins is the worst while you are calling a woman, a respected woman who would be the first Native American head of the Interior Department A Wack Job . Like this is just not okay. And at some point it has to stop. It cant just be that we just look the other way every time women or people of color get dragged through the mud, you know, by this White Boy Club up there that is always doing this. And i and thats why i say fine, have your issues with neera but recognize whats going on here. Yeah. And also listen, i think its really tough to complain about what someone said on twitter, On Social Media when you had the former president getting kicked off of social media for inciting an insurrection. Well, exactly. And exactly as you said, they never could even read the tweets or respond to them but now theyre obsessed about her tweets. Its just its too much. Thank you both. I appreciate it. Ill see you soon. I want to bring in now former Nixon White House counsel mr. John dean. Hey, john. Good to see you. Nice tie. I love that color. Beautiful. Beautiful. Were learning tonight that prosecutors with the manhattan d. A. s office are asking a lot of questions about donald trump jr. , about eric trump and ivanka trump in their investigation into trump properties. How worried should the trump children be at this point . I think they should be worried. They got a pass of sorts last time they were in front of vance. One of trumps longtime lawyers went in, negotiated a deal and got them a pass and later gave a large contribution to vance. Actually a couple large contributions. That came back to haunt vance. So i dont think he looks very favorably on the trump family anymore and he wants to clean up his reputation. So hes probably being very aggressive about them and pursuing any potential criminality. Listen, this just happened a day or two ago. Prosecutors are likely just hours away from getting the former president s tax returns. I mean, my goodness, how long have we talked about this. Its a Treasure Trove of potential evidence. I mean, talk about the impact on this investigation, john. Well, its powerful because its more than the tax returns, don. Theres almost a terabyte of data. Thats massive. Thats thousands upon thousands of documents. And this is going to show how they prepared the tax returns over the last eight years that theyre looking at. The memos back and forth. Records of phone calls where the accountants were being instructed. So if theres malfeasance, nonfeasance or misfeasance in there its very likely to be in that terabyte. So thats a mighty pile of information they have to go through too. Theres a new court filing revealing that don jr. Was deposed by the d. C. Attorney general in another investigation. This one into the use of inaugural funds. Where does don jr. Face the most legal trouble . I would suspect with the trump family corporations. That his involvement in that, proximity to that. Ive read that his father didnt have the greatest faith in his skills and ability and he was often kept out of things. That may be a benefit to him right now. But he and his brother have been running things. For example, the payments to michael cohen. The hush payments. He might have been directly involved in those. So who knows where all this is going to go . The Conspiracy Law in new york is very broad, as most states have. And theyve been operating clearly in secret for a long time. And thats what mr. Vance is looking at. So i think hes got jeopardy. We are also hearing that the manhattan d. A. s office subpoenaed the financial records related to Steve Bannons crowd Funding Campaign for the border wall. You say bannon may be worse off after being pardoned by trump. How is that possible . Well, he certainly showed his coconspirators that he was charged with by the southern district, three other men, that he wasnt out protecting their interests when he was looking for pardons. He got himself one in that specific indictment he was charged with. He had not been tried and had just been in a very early stage. And he got trump on the 19th to actually issue the pardon. It was reported on the 20th. Its a very vague pardon, incidentally. When i actually looked to read it. Very unusual. In fact, its not clear exactly what he was pardoned for. But anyway, i think that his compatriots, his coconspirators, may well turn on him. Might flip. They might be available to the state if mr. Vance wants to pursue this as a state fraud as well. And there was no pardon for that. John dean, thank you, sir. Appreciate your time. Up next, a disturbing look at a pentagon report revealing active White Supremacists and domestic extremists in the military and how much of their hate is out there in the open. We saw it in the capitol riot, where at least 27 current or former members of the military have been charged. How much of a threat is this . Cnn has an indepth report. Thats next. All of that extra toilet paper was a good idea, but now youve flushed it all. And its building up in your septic tank. 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We have covered everything from portraits of the Founding Fathers of the kkk to swastikas. Ive covered up a Human Trafficking branding. Reporter the army veteran camouflages the tattoos of hate for reformed extremists. But these ideologies and their symbols are still spreading in the military. Tattoos can be a calling card for White Supremacists and extremists in the military, a way to grow their own ranks in secret amidst a nationwide surge in White Nationalist activity. But according to a Department Of Defense report on extremism obtained by cnn, some of the Recruiting Tactics are more brazen and more open. One example in the report, a Military Member and cofounder of the neonazi group known as Atomwaffen Division told another member he was open about everything with his friends at training. They love me too because im a funny guy, he wrote in a message. The Defense Department determined that others find each other through obscure fascist symbols on tshirts or simply connect On Social Media and messaging apps. U. S. Troops are primary targets for many Extremist Groups who want their training, their Combat Experience and the legitimacy they bring to an organization. The report found that members of one far right Extremist Group shared Military Manuals including an army manual on ieds, improvised explosive devices, on the encrypted messaging app known as telegram. The Capitol Riots Of January 6th put a spotlight on military extremism. A cnn analysis has shown that at least 27 people facing federal charges in connection with the riot are current or former members of the military. Secretary of defense lloyd austin has made the fight against domestic extremism one of his top priorities. This tears at the fabric, very fabric of cohesion, and its important for us to be able to trust the men and women on our left and right. Reporter extremism has been a problem in the military for decades. Austin says he believes the number of extremists in the military is low but there is no data to back up his assertion. I know. Reporter austin has ordered a review of policies on extremism. But extremism expert Heidi Bierich says this will take time. This is a massive Management Task and its not going to be something thats done very easily at all. Reporter the military has strict legal limits on the screening and background checks it can do of applicants and service members. Deeper, more intrusive investigations require working with the fbi, a key recommendation of the d. O. D. Report. Bierich says the military needs a better Screening Process to root out extremism but it enters the ranks. I would say you need to fix your Screening Procedures immediately. Social media accounts need to be taken a look at not just voluntarily but seriously. You need a functioning Tattoo Data Base for your recruiters. And they need to be trained in the signs of White Supremacy. Reporter even beyond the challenges of rooting out domestic extremism within active ranks theres the issue of veterans. More than 18 million of them. Who are also prime targets for domestic extremists. Secretary of defense lloyd austins first big move when it comes to domestic extremism is noting that militarywide standdown or review of policies and procedures in place already to deal with extremism. Crucially that also includes discussions at all levels of the military. For example, the navy has already put out some guidance on this saying it has to review the navys core values. The oaths of office as well as the rules that are already in place. In terms of the discussions austin has said its also an opportunity for military leaders to listen to what their troops have to say to them about either experiences with domestic extremism or about ideas on how to tackle it. But one of the parts of this thats also obviously very necessary is the data, which is fundamentally lacking at this point about how widespread this problem is and where specifically it exists. Don . Oren liebermann. Thank you so much for that. I really appreciate it. I want to bring in now mike german. He is a former fbi Special Agent and a fellow at the Brennan Center for justice. Mike, good evening. Thanks for joining us. How are you . The pentagon report is troubling. What kind of National Security risk does this pose . Quite a serious one. I mean, its a risk not just to communities that theyre serving in but also to their fellow soldiers and marines and sailors. This is a problem that has existed in plain sight and been tolerated for far too long. And its going to require a constant vigilance. Im the son of a west point graduate. I was raised in the military. I have Great Respect for the military and its true that this is a very small percentage of people. But it presents an ongoing threat. And thats what needs to be addressed because theres a military time survey, for example, that a third of the people surveyed said that they saw signs of White Supremacy while on duty. So that shows that its prevalent and its visible and its tolerated. Cnns analysis has at least 27 current or former members of the u. S. Military have been charged in the capitol hill insurrection, in the riot. How do we root out this problem . Listen, 27, thats a lot, especially considering what happened at the capitol. And theyre supposed to be protecting the you would think members of the military or former members of the military would want to protect the capitol. Right. And keep in mind there were active members of the military involved in the unite the right rally in charlottesville as well. There should have been a wakeup call then. What we have to understand, thoughs while White Supremacy is in the military and is in Law Enforcement, thats because its in our society. So the pool theyre drawing from when they recruit contain White Supremacists and that requires not just an active Screening Process but continuing reviews. And most important, they need to empower the people that report them, make sure they have strong whistleblower protection so that its safer to report someone engaged in racist misconduct in the military or in Law Enforcement than it is to engage in racist misconduct. Right now the opposite is true. Reporting somebody can be more damaging to your career than actually engaging in the misconduct. Mike, i want you to stay with me. We have a lot to talk about. Because you were a witness at the congressional hearing today about the rise of White Supremacy and you say federal Law Enforcement isnt doing enough to combat it. Were going to talk about that. Thats next. 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It is time for the action, and i look forward to hearing from todays panelists on what federal Law Enforcement must do to swiftly address the rise of domestic terrorism. So but one of the witnesses at the hearing today, the former fbi Special Agent mike german, saying the Justice Department and the fbi chose not to prioritize these kinds of cases. The problem is that the Justice Department and the fbi choose not to prioritize the investigation and prosecution of White Supremacists and far right violence as a matter of policy and practice. Instead the Justice Department and fbi use these terrorism authorities most aggressively against groups that rarely if ever commit fatal attacks. Lets bring mike german back live to discuss some of this. So mike, you say that the Justice Department and the fbi, that they dont prioritize these kinds of cases. Why is that . Its a matter of choice. And this has been a longstanding problem. Shortly after 9 11 when counterterrorism became the Number One Mission they perhaps understandably at the time chose to prioritize international terrorism. But within the Domestic Terrorism Program the Justice Department and the fbi prioritized ecoterrorism as the number one domestic threat even though theres not a single homicide in the United States related to environmental violence of any kind. So is it do people have a problem with thinking that americans, especially white americans can be terrorists . Is that an issue . I think its multifaceted. I think there is a Structural Racism problem in the fbi just as we talked earlier about in the military. The fbi remains predominantly a white male organization. Over 80 white and over 80 male. So i think what they look at when they look at threats to the National Security that they imagine they dont feel their families are threatened by white supremacist violence. So they dont prioritize that as a threat. Where they see things theyre unfamiliar with as more threatening, whether thats environmentalism or part of what we saw after 9 11 was a lot of very biased, Islamophobic Counterterrorism Training Materials the fbi produced. So that was the same kind of materials that white militant and white supremacist groups were putting out. It put them in the same room, so to speak, on those issues. And i think that so much of this crime they look at as a state and local Law Enforcement issue rather than a federal issue because again, they dont see it as a National Security threat. Even though they acknowledge its the most deadly of the categories of domestic terrorists that they watch. Mike, we appreciate your candor and your knowledge on this. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Qanon tearing apart families, tearing families apart, and cnn speaking to some of them. I live just a few blocks south of the capitol. 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Cnns Donie Osullivan has done extensive reporting on qanon and he joins us now. Hey, donie. Its not the daily show youre watching. Its fox news. Theres no question the Qanon Movement exists. Tucker carlson has defend td himself. If hes having a hard time finding it, what does that mean . If hes defend td and now hes saying it doesnt exist. What does that say . Theres a lots of People Tucker could have asked about qanon. Theres a lot of his own viewers. We meet a lot of them at trump rallies or qanon events or stop the steal events. And they like Tucker Carlson and they like qanon. He could have asked Marjorie Taylor greene who has expressed support for qanon. He could have asked former President Trump who has praised qanon supporters. And he could have asked the people who storm the capitol, many of whom were waving qanon flags. I wonder who q might be. Hmm. Interesting. So listen, youve talked to these Qanon Believers. How would they hear what Tucker Carlson was saying . Would they see it as another sign that they are legitimate . Yeah. I think they would actually view this as a wink and a nod. What was quite striking was he actually quite sounded a lot like folks who are very into qanon because oftentimes when i ask a Qanon Believer about qanon theyll say theres no such thing as qanon. There is q, the person who pose this mythical figure who posts as q. And there are the anons, the anonymous people who weigh in and do that message. So i think a lot of them would have been watching last night and said yeah, tucker is with us. So qanon has literally been tearing families apart, and you spoke with several young people who fear that they are losing their parents. Lets listen to this. I will never stop loving my parents. But its this switch that flips in them when theyre talking about what the latest q drop means. Theyre not logical anymore. Theyre not understanding. And often theyre not kind. And im worried that with every single new q drop its going to be something that sends them over the edge. Something that changes them so much that they completely shut themselves off from the rest of the world. Theyre living in constant fear, constant paranoia, constant anxiety, worst Case Scenario q sends a message that Everyone Needs to kill themselves to be saved. And as drastic as that sounds, thats what i thats what i live with as a real possibility. Well, that doesnt sound like a cult. This young woman said she had a perfect childhood, that her parents used to be completely different people. How does this happen, donie . Yeah. And don, shes a college student. We kept her in shadow there to protect her identity because shes desperately trying to salvage a relationship with her parents and its so tragic. Theres many people in the country like this right now and people like her, they dont know where to turn because you have people like Tucker Carlson, you have people like Marjorie Taylor greene, you have a sort of whole ecosystem of disinformation on certain Cable News Channels and online that is telling these Qanon Believers that they are correct. So its really tragic and i sort of feel that hopefully when we are eventually over the coronavirus in the next few months or over the next year or so i still think that this issue, this qanon virus essentially is something that were going to be living with and dealing with for a very long time. Listen, i think weve discussed this, donie, that people have a lot of time on their hands now, especially during quarantine, and they were online a lot and they got sucked into a lot of these things and just went down the rabbit hole. Anywayi want to move on and talk to you about something else. Some people thought that after President Biden was inaugurated on january 20th that folks would realize qanon was a farce and they would move on from it. But now the q followers are looking to march 4th. Thats a big date for them. What is that about, donie . Yeah. I mean, as crazy as this all sounds, a lot of Qanon Believers believe that trump is going to be inaugurated next week in washington, d. C. That hes going to come back on the 4th of march. Its all to do with a very convoluted misunderstanding of an old law from the 19th century. They believe that trump is going to come back in as the 19th president of the United States. Its too long and complex a story to even break down. But you know, its bizarre, its ridiculous, but we heard from the chair of the House Armed Services committee who said you know, partially the reason the National Guard are still in washington, d. C. Is all this online chatter about the 4th of march. Its some sort of resurrection, its like the qanon easter that trump is coming back. Thank you very much. Appreciate, it donie. New evidence in the fatal car crash has people calling for impeachment and the thing is the person at the center of it all is south dakotas top Law Enforcement official. That story is next. Jane seymour hi, im jane seymour. Now is the perfect time to reveal your smoother, noticeably younger looking skin. Announcer is your skin dry, loose, lost its volume, and looks like crepe paper . Then, you need crepe erase advanced. Clinically shown to reduce the look of crepey skin on your body. Crepe erase improves the appearance of skin texture, tone, and elasticity. So, your crepey skin looks smoother, firmer, and younger again look at these amazing instant results, and even better results in 30 days. 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Reporter ravnsborg told investigators he returned to the scene of the collision the following morning and discovered the body of 55yearold joe boever. But then i come up, it was the man. And he is not good hes dead. But i believe i didnt do anything wrong. I obviously replayed it in my mind a thousand times. Reporter now, the republican official is facing mounting calls for his resignation, in light of disturbing new details released tuesday night in which investigators say they found the mans broken glasses in ravnsborgs car. Theyre joes classes. I wondered about that, that means his face came through your windshield. Its a tough thing. Was thinking its his face did not come through because there would have been blood everywhere. Now, after i thought about it yeah, and youve had time, right . His glasses are right there, jason. Those are joes. I did not see the glasses. So, the only way for them to get there is through the windshield. The Attorney General faces three Misdemeanor Charges for careless driving, operating a vehicle while using a mobile Electronic Device and illegal lane change while carelessly driving. Crossing lanes of traffic unsafely. But no felonies in the death of boever. At best, his conduct was negligent, which is insufficient to bring criminal charges in south dakota. As i mentioned, this is a tragic accident, which took the life of mr. Boever. Way too soon. The victims remedy is in civil court, not criminal court. Reporter the Attorney General spokesperson tells cnn ravnsborg has not yet responded to the Misdemeanor Charges filed against him and a court date has yet to be set. On tuesday, a Bipartisan Group of south dakota lawmakers began Impeachment Proceedings against ravnsborg. But its a sad day, but we need to move forward as a state. We need to do whats best for the citizens of south dakota, thats why im asking, or recommending to our Attorney General, to resign his post immediately so the state can move on, the governor can appoint a new Attorney General and we can get this behind us. Reporter law makers introduced two articles of impeachment. One for the crash, one for ravnsborgs statements and actions during the investigation, in which they said ravnsborg undertook actions unbecoming the Attorney General. The south dakota governor is also calling for the Attorney General to go. Saying in a statement, now that the investigation has closed and charges have been filed, i believe the Attorney General should resign. But ravnsborg is Rebuffing Calls to step down. In a statement to cnn, Spokesman Mike Dever said the Attorney General does not intend to resign. At no time has this issue impeded his ability to do the work of the office. Excellent report there, lucy. Why is it that the Attorney General faces only Misdemeanor Charges . Reporter well, don, the prosecutors in this case said the evidence simply didnt support charges of Vehicular Homicide or manslaughter. Now, many states throughout the country have something called a negligent homicide law, thats when theres no premeditated intent, or you kill something through reckless behavior. South dakota does not have that law, which really complicates Manslaughter Charges like this one when theres no strong evidence of drug or alcohol use. And don, we spoke to the victims cousin before going on air. He told us that the family is extremely disappointed in the Misdemeanor Charges. He said of the Attorney General, and i quote, i am convinced despite his claims otherwise he saw joe in that moment before the crash. Don . It is a fascinating story and well continue to follow it. Lucy, thank you. And thank you for watching, everyone. Our coverage continues. Hey, i just got a text from my sister. 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