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events of the day. no question about it. a mob was assaulting the capitol in his name. these criminals were carrying his banners, hanging his flags, and screaming their loyalty to him. it was obvious. obvious that only president trump could end this. he was the only one who could. >> his reason for acquittal? mcconnell says he doesn't believe the senate has the power to convict a former president. house speaker nancy pelosi was absolutely outraged over mcconnell's decision, calling him a coward. >> for mitch mcconnell to create a situation where it could not have been heard before the 20th or even be done before the 20th in the senate, to say all the things he said, oh, my gosh, about president trump and how horrible he was and is and then said, but the time that the democrats -- the house chose to bring it over. no, we didn't choose. you chose not to receive it. it was not the reason that he voted for what he did. it was the excuse that he used. >> this as we're learning new details about president trump's mindset during this trial. sources telling cnn he privately voiced concern that he could face criminal charges. more on that in just a moment. but first, cnn's ryan nobles joins us. ryan, what a turn of events today, but in the end, 43 republicans refused to hold former president trump accountable. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. it is weird to say, because everyone knew what the outcome of this trial would be, but today was a day that was filled with many, many surprises. for a second time, president trump has escaped conviction by the u.s. senate. >> it is therefore ordered and adjudged that the said donald john trump be and he is here by acquitted of the charge in said article. >> reporter: the final vote capped off a dramatic day, where house impeachment managers announced plans to call witnesses in the trial of the former president. >> we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera regarding her communications with house minority leader kevin mccarthy. >> reporter: calling witnesses would have sent the trial in a different direction, leading to a much longer affair. after hours of negotiations, the two sides agreed to submit into the record a statement from republican congresswoman jamie herrera butler, which detailed a phone call from trump to kevin mccarthy on january 6, where trump said the rioters care more about election fraud than mccarthy. impeachment managers decided to call her as a witness. >> the point is that no number of witnesses demonstrating that president trump continued to incite the insurrectionists, even after the invasion of the capitol, would convince them. >> reporter: with witnesses off the table, the two sides presented their closing arguments. the prosecution arguing that the evidence made it clear the riot was incited by the former president. >> he named the date, the time, and he brought them here, and now he must pay the price. >> reporter: and the trumps defense, warning the constitutional questions were impossible to ignore. >> this has been the most up fair and flagrantly unconstitutional proceeding in the history of the united states senate. >> reporter: when the votes were cast, seven republicans joined democrats and voted to convict trump, but fell short of the 2/3 majority necessary. richard burr and bill cassidy voted to convict, despite voting earlier the trial was unconstitutional. after it was all over, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, who voted to acquit, hammered trump's actions, saying he was responsible for the riot, and suggested he could be tried in a criminal court. >> didn't get away with anything, yet. yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> reporter: but chuck schumer argued the republicans were using the constitutional argument as a copout. in his mind, the evidence was more than enough to convict. >> look at what republicans have chosen to forgive. the former president tried to overturn the results of a legitimate election and provoked an assault on our own government. >> reporter: i talked to a number of democratic senators after the impeachment trial wrapped up today. they said they agreed with the decision of the house impeachment managers to forego calling witnesses. they firmly believe that there was nothing that would have convinced enough republicans to change their votes from acquitting the former president to convicting him. but one thing is for sure, ana, jamie herrera butler, the republican congresswoman at the center of this, she was ready to come and testify. her spokes perp telling me by this evening that she was ready to testify under oath if asked. >> ryan nobles, thank you for that reporting. let's go to boris sanchez. this had to be a huge sigh of relief for the former president. because our reporting is that this defense was really hanging by a thread. what is the former president saying tonight? >> reporter: yeah, to be clear, the entire trump legal team was hanging by a thread with one of them threatening to quit just two days ago. tonight, the legal team is expressing relief about the acquittal. they were actually surprised, according to sources that seven senate republicans voted to convict president trump. that number higher than what they expected. the president has expressed relief. he's pleased with the outcome, as he wrote in a statement that i'll get to in a second. but we are hearing people close to the president say that he is concerned about potentially facing criminal charges. president trump apparently keeping quiet for most of his time out of office down here at mar-a-lago, because he is afraid of potentially being charge with the his involvement in the riot we saw on january 6th. as we understand, this comes on the heels of mitch mcconnell saying that the justice department could potentially look at president trump's involvement on january 6th and federal investigators outlining to cnn that they are prepared to go after anyone and everyone involved in the capitol siege. so there is cause for concern for president trump. despite that in his public statement, he expressed no concerns. he foreshadowed what may be coming of his time post presidency. here is a bit of that statement. the former president writing -- >> reporter: of course, we anticipate that much of what he has to share with his supporters are attacks on those republicans that he feels betrayed him, people like liz cheney and others who voted for impeachment and then voted to convict him. we can bet that president trump, former president trump is likely going to campaign against them, to raise funds against them. and potentially even run for president again in 2024, a spector that looms large over the republican party. ana? >> he sure sounds emboldened in that statement. a good chunk of the presentation had to do with this idea that the president or former president knew vice president mike pence was in danger when he sent that tweet, saying pence lacked courage. as the rioters were, you know, entering the capitol, searching for mike pence, calling for him to be hanged. and now we have more reporting about what president trump was told about pence that day. >> reporter: that's right. there are staffers who were with mike pence who indicated the white house was well aware that the vice president was being evacuated, as all of this was happening. and as you pointed out earlier in that day, president trump had specifically called out mike penls by name at that rally, at the stop the steal rally. and then as all of this was happening, he continued tweeting about mike pence, suggesting that the former vice president couldn't do the right thing, couldn't stand up for the constitution. on top of that, there are indications from senator tommy tubberville of alabama that he received a phone call from president trump, former president trump, and told him point blank that the former vice president was being evacuated because supporters of donald trump were entering the capitol at that very moment. tubberville telling reporters that's when he hung up with former president trump and minutes later is, again, when trump sent that tweet about mike pence. >> just really shedding light on no matter how much more information we could have learned or continue to learn right up to the very end, it really didn't matter when it came down to the voting. thank you, boris sanchez. joining us now, former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod. cnn political commentator and former republican senator from arizona, jeff flake. and our cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. and vos carver teaches about impeachment at tulane law school. many of you have been on the air today offering your expertise, so thank you for continuing to do so here. first to you, senator flake. your reaction to what we heard from mitch mcconnell, essentially saying former president trump is guilty, should maybe even face criminal charges. but it would be wrong to convict him at this senate impeachment trial because he is not a sitting president. >> well, if you just read the first part of his speech and not the latter part, you would have thought he was an impeachment ma maenger. i was just disappointed to hear the second point. i think he should have been convicted, and i think that hanging it on the constitutional argument just doesn't wash, frankly. and so, yeah, great first part of the speech. the second part just didn't measure up. >> what do you think of his leadership during all of this? >> well, i certainly during january, when the attacks were happening, i thought that mitch mcconnell was pitch perfect. he called out the president for the big lie, and he was giving a great speech at that time. but here, i think that he should have, when nancy pelosi said we've got impeachment articles, he should have said bring them over now and we'll take them up. had he done so, then there couldn't have been a constitutional argument, and simply would have had to address it on the merits. and on the merits, as mitch mcconnell said, the president incited violence. >> house speaker pelosi pointed that out as well, david, that this is a trial of a former president because mitch mcconnell blocked it. and now she rejects a censure, because she believes that would let the gop off the hook. what do you think? >> i think he was very clear that he wasn't going to bring the senate back for the trial before the 19th of january. so he set the conditions that made it impossible to try the president, you know, while he was still in office. my sense also is, mcconnell is the leader, but part of being the leader is not getting out two separate from your flock. and he had a sense where most of his caucus was going. they went there, because while donald trump isn't as popular as he was with republicans on election day, he'll state quite popular. jeff flake can speak to that. it was no coincidence that one in the seven -- and seven was a huge number, but only one of them is up for re-election in 2022, lease au murkowski. two of them were retiring. so, you know, there was -- there was fear. and he knew where his caucus was going, and he would have created tremendous problems for him if he had done it. that said, if he felt as passionately as he did, and as he reflected in his words, you know, it's clearly the constitutional argument was kind of an off ramp for him to try and not get sideways with his caucus. >> democrats say senator mcconnell conceded that they proved their case. is that what you heard as an attorney? >> yeah. he didn't go quite that far. he got pretty close. i mean, we heard him. he condemned former president trump. he held him responsible. he did hedge a little bit in terms of whether the exact, you know, standard that was sort of spelled out in the articles of impeachment was met. but he did come very close. but in the end, he said it didn't matter. he was resting his decision on this jurisdictional issue. and then he went squarely after the impeachment managers, you know, position that doing that would create some sort of january exception. that a president can do anything at the end of his term and get away with it. you know, senator mcconnell said no, that's not true. there could be criminal or civil courts. >> i want to come back to that. but i just want to read again what president trump said to the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, as this mob was closing in and mccarthy was begging for help. trump said, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. and mccarthy said what the f do you think -- who the ffx d do y think you're talking to? in a normal court, how powerful would that evidence be? >> it would be extremely powerful. that language parallels with what we saw from president trump in a tweet, around that time this is what you get when you steal the election sort of thing. it's kind of a, you know, you get what you deserve when you cross me sort of thing. words by the defendant are always powerful in criminal trials. but here especially when the issue is trump's state of mind, as he is sit tting there watchi what he caused, not calling off his supporters or calling in reinforcements for the police. his state of mind there is the critical issue and will be the critical issue if this ever goes to trial. and those statements and those words, and i hope if this is investigated criminally, they get more evidence from people around him that day. that will be the key evidence, i think. >> david, the democrats are taking some hits for not calling witnesses, even though they had this vote to potentially call witnesses, and that was -- gave them the green light to move forward. they decided to cut a deal we're told, because of ton predictability of what would happen, the potential grid lock it could create, the belief it wouldn't change the final vote. do you still feel it's the right call? >> ablgssolutely. jennifer said this would be very meaningful in a criminal trial. this isn't a criminal trial, and the big difference is, the jurors are politicians, and they're partisans. three of them were plotting strategy with the president's lawyers the night before this final -- the night before their presentation. so, you know, i think there was a very, very strong sense of where this was going to go. the number of republicans who would leave trump was in question. but there was never a sense that it was going to go to 17. and if she had come in and testified, representative herrera butler, she would have confirmed what they already knew. these senators knew -- in fact, i think they know the whole story. they made a political decision that they weren't going to stray from the president. so the senate had to make a decision there, are we going to tie ourselves up for weeks here, knowing what the outcome is, and knowing that we have this urgent matter in front of us, of dealing with covid and the president's cabinet and other issues. so, yeah, i think they made the right decision. look, when i said that, you know, it garnered a lot of reaction from my friends on the left and people who are outraged as i'm outraged by what president trump did. everyone should be outraged by what he did. but i think they made a realistic decision and i think the house managers made a very strong case. i don't think there are any gaps in their case. >> you know, it is the republicans who voted to convict that are facing the most immediate political backlash. senator maflake, i know you hav been there, when you criticized the former president when you were in the senate. bill cassidy today is already facing a censure by his state republican party. what advice do you have to these seven who are going to be in a tough spot with their constituents perhaps at home? >> i've already sent notes to them. i just said -- being the person in the middle, you felt like you have no friends. you'll never go as far as the other side wants you to go. but once you have broken from the president, then boy, you get it from all sides. so they're going to be feeling it. mitt romney has been feeling it for a while. you saw him being heckled at airports and what not. i think he's members are prepared, some of them have experienced it already. i'm glad they did the right thing. that's what i've tried to communicate to them. you know, once you're retired from office, and all you have is your conscience and grand kids, you're grateful for standing up. and i know that i felt that later. >> coming back to consequences in the courts, our reporting tonight is the former president has voiced concerns about facing criminal charges. do you think that's a true possibility related to the insurrection? >> i think it's sort of interesting that he is concerned. i mean, based on sort of what we know right now, it seems like criminal prosecution would be unlikely. you know, one of the key elements for a criminal prosecution is that the president, former president, intended what happened at the capitol to have happened. that was the consequence that he was trying to achieve. and right now, the proof on that is pretty limited. now, things could change. we don't know a lot of the facts. if, for example, he was either directly or indirectly in communication with the rioters or people who assisted the rioters, that could be an issue. but things are still early. as jen knows, the way these prosecutions work is you start off with low-level people and then they wind up pleading guilty and being very interested in cooperating. you go up the chain and who know where is you go? >> everyone, please stand by. much more to discuss, with some republicans voting to convict trump, the senate minority leader calling trump responsible. is mr. trump still the de facto leader of the republican party? 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[ screaming ] >> officers were crushed. they suffered brain damage, had their eyes gouged and one lost three fingers. and officer brian sicknick died from his injuries, possibly a fatal reaction from being hit with bear spray. and when trump says he's a champion of the issues, where was that when he tear gassed peaceful protestors so he could have a photo-op? where was that when he was slamming nfl players for taking a knee? just listen to the senate republican leader. >> in recent weeks, our ex-president's associates have tried to use the 74 million americans who voted to re-elect him as a kind of human shield against criticism. using the 74 million who voted for him as a human shield against criticism. anyone who decries his behavior is accused of insulting millions of voters. >> back with us now, former senator flake. what do you make of htrump holding himself up as a champion of law and order? >> it's belied by the fact of that day. what he did and didn't do, says it all, frankly. this made me think of june 14th, 2017, the baseball shooting. i was there on the field with blood stains all over me, having just worked on steve scalise. as soon as he left in the ambulance, i got a call, and it was mike pence on the other line. mike and i were very close in the house. we have a bit of a strained relationship after he became vice president. but he called, because he was concerned about me. and i thought of the contrast with what happened with the president on january 6th, where the president not only didn't call mike pence, he tweeted out, you know, that mike pence was a coward and exhibited no courage. and i thought that the impeachment managers did a good job in explaining that. but a friend of law enforcement, that's kind of a tough case to make with the actions of the president on january 6th. >> david, i want you to hear what chuck schumer said today after president trump was acquitted. >> let me say this, despite the results of the vote on president trump's conviction in the court of impeachment, he deserves to be convicted. and i believe he will be convicted in the court of public opinion. he deserves to be permanently discredited, and i believe he has been discredited in the eyes of the american people and in the judgment of history. >> david, do you think republicans really believe that? because the votes of 43 republican senators today suggest otherwise. >> yeah. and as i said, there is still a soiza a sizable majority of republicans who support donald trump. let's be clear, first of all, the statement was offensive and laughable at the same time. you know, this is a guy who subjugated the rule of law, law and order and everything else to his own personal interest. we saw it in bright highlights on the day of january 6th. but he is -- let's be clear who he is, no matter what he puts in his statement and his words ring tinny. he is a disgraced former president, and whether he was convicted or not, this trial was very important in bringing home in stark relief exactly what he did and didn't do before the 6th, on the 6th, and after. so he is a disgraced former president. he's got financial problems. he's got legal problems far beyond this one. he's got problems relative to his business in new york. the authorities in atlanta are looking at him for election law violations there. and, you know, i don't believe that he's ever going to be a viable, successful candidate for president. he can be a real problem for the republican party. i think he will seek vengeance against the ten house republicans and seven senate republicans. and let me just say, picking up on what jeff flake said earlier, you know, we focus a lot on the 43 republicans who voted to acquit. we should really focus on the seven republicans who voted to convict. that took courage. they knew they were submitting themselves to abuse or worse. and they did it because they thought their duty was to stand up for the constitution and i think that was an enormously important moment for this country. this was a bipartisan, really the first truly bipartisan impeachment, house and senate, and that just adds to the stain on president trump. he still has his following. he still can be -- he still can be problematical. he will never be president of the united states again. and i think this trial adds to my conviction that that is the case. >> you mentioned the courage of the seven who voted with democrats to convict. and i just want to read a quick statement from bill callssidy w wrote -- >> both of you please stay with me. on the backside of this break, we have more news tonight. joe biden just released a statement on the acquittal of former president trump. we'll take you live to the white house, next. ♪ you're not using too much are you hon? 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>> reporter: that's right, so white house deputy press secretary t.j. ducklo submitted his resignation after he made threatening and misogynistic reporting to a female reporter that was working on a relationship he was having with another reporter. the white house said they would be suspending him for one week without pay. but today, he has now resigned. i want to read you the statement that t.j. released this evening. he said no words can express my regret, my embarrassment and my disgust for my behavior. i used language that no woman should have to hear from anyone, especially in a situation where she was just trying to do her job. he added, it was language that was abhorrent, disrespectful and unacceptable. one question about this incident is it took place on january 20th, the day that joe biden was inaugurated. but he was not suspended from his position at the white house until this was publicly revealed in a "vanity fair" article. jen psaki said yesterday they had been handling it in a private manner before that. that's what they felt was appropriate. ile also told that joe biden was informed of the situation late this afternoon and that he is ports the rezsignation from ducklo, who was also a press secretary on biden's campaign. he was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer, earning him some close ties to people on that campaign. up next, back to the impeachment trial. here's more from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> with police officers bleeding and broken glass covering capitol floors, he kept repeat ing and praising the criminals. >> and yet he voted to acquit. does the threat of impeachment mean anything anymore? 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>> well, i think the problem is, impeachment isn't an accountability tool at all. maybe it's a tool for letting us know which way the political winds are blowing. but for actual accountability, you need a search for the truth, it's not impeachment. it's criminal and other court proceedings. >> how do you see it, ross? >> i represent a lot of public officials. i've represented public officials in impeachments. it is rarely a tool to dissuade bad conduct. you know, jennifer's exactly right, but impeachment, the process and the trial, can actually be used as a tool to get at the facts. and that's something that public officials are often concerned about. they're concerned about hearings and investigations. they're concerned about public stain. and i don't think we should continue to do impeachments this way. they should be more hearings and if you're going to do an impeach trial, a real trial. >> david, what do you think? >> well, look, no president has never been convicted, the constitution sets up a very, very steep test, 67 votes is difficult. especially when you have a 50/50 senate. but i wouldn't -- i wouldn't gain say what was accomplished. i think that it is important to make a statement that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. the 43 republican senators will have to defend themselves. none of them defended his behavior. but impeachment is important tool, and donald trump, more than any president i can think of, deserved it. and i think he was hurt by this. i think that history will remember him as a disgraced president. and his political career has been ended, in part because of what happened this week. >> senator flake, the power of impeachment, is there still power in impeachment? 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