And good evening. Breaking news this hour on the former president s conduct during the January 6th Riot that could have an impact on his Impeachment Trial which is now at a delicate moment and could upend the timeline when the trial is supposed to end. The defenses team laid out today, right now the Report A Phone Call between the former president and the republican Conference Leader in the house Kevin Mccarthy as the attack was unfolding. Cnn Special Correspondent jamie joins us with her report. Jamie, this is extraordinary report, explain what you learned. Were learning really speaks to President Trumps continued desire to delay and to try to prevent the Election Results. I think this is critical insight into his State Of Mind. We previously knew there was a phone call that took place On January 6th between trump and republican leader Kevin Mccarthy. When mccarthy called Trump Begging trump to stop the rioters, i have spoken to multiple republican members of the house have knowledge of that call and who say after trump tried to say to kevin, its not my people, mccarthy responded no, these are your people to which trump then said these are the new details. Quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are and then mccarthy responded, who the f do you think youre talking to . Anderson, cnn confirmed this exchange with republican congresswoman Jamie Herrera butler Of Washington who was briefed on the call directly by Kevin Mccarthy on january 10th, she has been taking copious notes throughout since the insurrection and the impeachment and she took very precise notes on their call. Were also told by several other republican members that Kevin Mccarthy wasnt shy about talking about this exchange with trump, that he wanted republicans in his conference to know about it and congresswoman Herrera Butler told me today that trumps comments to Kevin Mccarthy really speak to his State Of Mind and explain why she voted to impeach, what she told me was quote, you have to look at what he, trump, did during the insurrection to confirm where his mind was at. That line right there demonstrates to me that he either didnt care, which is impeachable, because you cannot allow an attack on your soil or he wanted it to happen and was okay with it, which makes me so angry. We shouldnt stand for that for any reason under any party flag. Im trying really hard not to say the f word. Anderson . Other republican members of congress feel the former president s words give critical insiegt to his State Of Mind, intent and duty. These are republican members of Congress Going on the record. I spoke to Anthony Gonzales of ohio. Hes another one of the ten republicans that voted to impeach and here is what he said about trump. Quote, i think it speaks to the former president s mindset. He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal voice president or congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least, enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most americans across the country. You know, the republican members i spoke to, anderson, said trumps failure to act immediately after Kevin Mccarthy asked for help shows that he was not a blameless on observer to this. Observer i spoke to a third republican member who said that and it speaks to trumps intent. Quote, this proves that the president knew very early on what the mob was doing and members were at risk and refused to act. It a violation of his Oath Of Office to fail to come to congress and constitutional process immediately. This shows that trump knew what the rioters were doing and he supported it and that he facilitated it by failing to act. We reached out to mccarthys office and to President Trump and they have not yet responded to the request for comment. I think the question now is will this new insight into what trump said make a difference to the republicans in the senate when they vote . Yeah. Anderson . Jamie, fascinating reporting. Thank you. I want to get legal perspective on what we heard and answer a very big question, will we hear from witnesses . Who better to answer that than Harvard Law Professor noah feldman. Professor, you were a witness during the last impeachment in the house. At this stage in the trial, could the senate still call witnesses like congressman mccarthy or tuberville . Under the constitution, the senate is in charge absolutely of the trial, so if the senate wants to stop its plan, Create New Rules and call witnesses, that is within the power of the senate to do. And you could presumably do it with 50 votes plus one. In theory, it certainly is possible. In practice, it seems to me very unlikely they will do so simply because i think for most of the republican senators, they have sort of incorporated this information already and from the standpoint of the democrats, theyve already made their case extremely compellingly. So my guess is that they wont but in principle, they could. If somebody like Kevin Mccarthy was called, is that or mark short who worked for the Vice President , that if somebody was called, that doesnt mean they actually have to come. They could choose not to, right, and then it would just be tied up in courts. Yeah, i mean, as a matter of principle, if youre subpoenaed, youre obligated to show up and thats true the youre a member of congress. The argument of somebody else, somebody from the Executive Branch im part of the Executive Branch and so it would infringe on the independent branch of government that i belong to if you call me would not apply to Kevin Mccarthy because hes from the exact same branch of government that would be hauling him. If you chose not to show up and chose to challenge it in court, that would, of course, would create a delay. The words Kevin Mccarthy spoke and the president spoke that were learning about, im wondering what did they say to you about your president s State Of Mind . They say to me when he was confronted with the reality of what was happening, the president didnt care or maybe liked it and that certainly underscores the basic idea he House Managers are pushing, which this is a president that committed High Crimes And Misdemeanors with respect to denying the Election Results and encouraging the crowd and tolerating that or being pleasurably happy about it. It definitely goes to the question of his impeachment. Its also true, by the way, anderson, i think this matters that this is not an ordinary jury trial where the jurors can only consider information thats come at them via testimony. All of those jurors have the right, and i would say the responsibility also to listen to whatever comes to them through reporting, which is what this is doing. So by the reporting, youre contributing to the trial. Its so fascinating to me though, there is still so much we dont know about what the president did during the attack, during the insurrection and just in the last couple days, i mean, there is reporting, there is information that tuberville said about his conversation. The fact that were still learning new things is really kind of stunning. It is stunning and, you know, frankly, i really wish that these folks had been willing to go on the record before the House Managers closed their case. It doesnt make me happy or confident in them thats the timing they chose. This is a fast impeachment proceeding and we didnt have the lengthy investigation of the facts that we had the first impeachment of donald trump and so more information will probably continue to come out going forward. So, i mean, as you were saying, this information doesnt have to be introduced into evidence because the members of congress have access to it just like everybody else, they can just incorporate that into their thoughts if they want . Yeah, and i think as a matter of constitutional law, they ought to. They are trying to determine on their oath whether the president committed High Crimes And Misdemeanors. This is relevant. You know, if they believe that this is what happened in the conversation and sounds reliable to me, that should affect their judgment. What the real problem were facing is, though, anderson, a lot of senators said on the record they think the whole trial is unconstitutional so for the ridiculous reason donald trump is out of office before the trial began. They will say i strongly anticipate, we dont care what the evidence is. We dont care if the evidence is absolute. We dont care if there is a video of donald trump running into the capitol. You know, and breaching the capitol himself, this trial is unconstitutional so well vote to acquit. Having said that already in their vote, they seem very, very unlikely to me to back away from it. Noah feldman, appreciate your time. Thanks so much. Jamies reporting came just as the Impeachment Trial ended for the day. There were fireworks there, as well. The former president s defense team had their trial today and keeping them honest, it was riddled with cherry picked facts, sometimes sins of omission. The one that stood out the most was the lie that started it all. The one that said the former president won the election, the one he perpetuated that led to the deaths of five people On January 6th. The president s lawyers were asked about it today and this is what they said. Are the prosecutors right when they claim that trump was telling a big lie or in your judgment, did trump actually win the election . The counsel for the former president has two and a half minutes. My judgment . Who asked that . I did. My judgment here is relevant in this proceeding. It absolutely is. Refusing to answer the question saying his judgement is irrelevant, biden won the election, of course, but the evidence is clear it is a matter of record now. The attorney not willing to go on the record saying that. It wasnt the only question the president s attorneys had troubling answering. The other involved an uncertain timeline about a president ial tweet the day of the attack claiming the former Vice President lacked courage in the vote counting fight, whether that tweet was sent shortly before or after the former president knew that the Vice President and his family were in imminent danger. Youll first hear the clerk read a portion of the question and respond and house impeachment manager jamie raskin have his turn. The tweet and lack of response suggests President Trump did not care that Vice President pence was endangered or that Law Enforcement was overwhelmed. Does this show that President Trump was tolerant of the intimidation of Vice President pence . Two and a half minutes. Directly, no. But i dispute the premise of your facts. I dispute the facts that are laid out in that question. And unfortunately, were not going to know the answer to the facts in this proceeding. Because the house did nothing to investigate what went on. Did counsel for the president keep blaming the house for not having the evidence thats within the sole possession of their client who we invited to come and testify last week. So rather than yelling at us and screaming about how we didnt have time to get all of the facts about what your client did bring your client up here and have him testify under oath about why he was sending out tweets denouncing the Vice President of the United States while the Vice President was being hunted down by a mob that wanted to hang him and chanting in this Building Hang mike pence, hang mike pence, traitor, traitor, traitor. The president does not want to answer this question or answer it directly, which is a different challenge given the president s track record. Surprising of all or disturbing of all is the fact most gaslighting answer of the day filled with gaslighting is the riots we saw with our eyes that Capitol Police felt with their bruised and beaten bodies was not an insurrection. Did the 45th president engage in incitement of, they continue to say insurrection, clearly, there was no insurrection. Insurrection is a term defined in the law that involves taking over a country, a shadow government, taking the tv stations over and having some plan on what youre going to do when you finally take power. Clearly, this is not that. Well, this is the Merriman Webster definition of insurrection. Kind of ridiculous i have to do this. Quote, an act or instance of acting against Civil Authority or established government. Its a word that does capture what happened. It was an attempted insurrection and the denial of that fact is proof that today the big lie got even bigger. I want to bring in danielle dale. Daniel, there were several things in the claims today. One claim was rejected by an election official in realtime essentially. Yeah, anderson, this is the same claim trumps legal team made to get the election overturned and basically, it was that something shady happened with Absentee Ballots in georgia. Listen to what a trump lawyer said today. It is clear that President Trumps comments and the use of the word find were solely related to his concerns with the inexplicable dramatic drop in georgias ballot rejection rates. There was no inexplicable dramatic drop in georgias Absentee Ballot rejection rates. A top election in georgia, a republican tweeted today that the rate in 2018 and 2020 was about the same, just 0. 15 of Absentee Ballot. I also think its m important, anderson, important, anderson,important, anderson, if there was a dramatic drop, that is not evidence that something happened. States like georgia made it easier to complete an Absentee Ballot, making it easier to fix or cure your mistakes embarking on a Voter Education effort so fewer ballots were rejected during the pandemic. No sign anything mass fraudulent happened with Absentee Ballots in the state of georgia. It was republican election official Gabriel Sterling who corrected the president s attorney on that fact and the same official who had warned the president that his rhetoric was going to lead to violence correct. Which was going to happen. Democrats used inflammatory language and the president repeated condemnations of violence, end quote. So yes, the argument was that democrats were the ones that spent years using reckless inflammatory violence inciting language whereas former President Trump was mr. Peacemaker. He called for peaceful protests and all he had done was condemned violence. Anderson, thats almost insultingly misleading because it asks us to forget about numerous comments hes made since trump launched the campaign in 2015 in which he defended, endorsed or applauded violence. Listen to a montage of just some of these examples. There is a guy totally disruptive, throwing punches, were not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that in a place like this . Theyd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. And when you see these towns and thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, thrown in rough, i said please dont be too nice. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you . Seriously. Okay . Just knock the hell i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. I promise. The former president again, anderson, thats not even sorry, thats not even the entire lasist. This year he applauded supporters that surrounded a joe biden bus on a highway and it was a beautiful sight when a reporter was knocked over in minneapolis and mocked a Reporter Shot in the knee with a rubber bullet. We had example over example about the president speaking favorably about violence. Even the incident at the Michigan State house correct. Praised the people that did that. The former president s legal team also seemed to propagate a Conspiracy Theory it was antifa, which again is something the former president was pushing as well and not right wing groups largely to blame for the riot. I want to play that. It is apparent extremists of various different stripes and political persuasions preplanned and premeditated an attack on the capitol. One of the first people arrested was the leader of antifa. What do you make of that . There are a few things wrong with that. Number one, anderson, the fbi alleged some of the Insurrectionists Preplanned but many others acted spontaneously after the trump rally that morning, that early afternoon. Number two, we know from Video Evidence from coupous evidence presented by the fbi, this was a trump supporter insurrection, not a random hodgepodge of people of all affiliations. There were some that have political ideology thats hard to pinpoint. There was one gentleman that used antifa on twitter. Even from that man, there was no allegation from the fbi he was involved with antifa or a ringleader, mastermind of the movement the fbi says isnt an actual group, that wouldnt have a single leader. Appreciate it. Thanks. For reaction to the hearing on the hill, i want to bring in ryan nobles. Ryan, Tommy Tuberville who is one of the former president s strongest allies from day one, hes been responding to this new reporting. What is he saying . Thats right, anderson. The Trump Impeachment Lawyers attempted to make the case that the recollection of what Tommy Tuberville made that day wasnt correct and that indicated the former president had no idea his Vice President was being evacuated after or i should say before he then attacked him on twitter but tuberville stood by his recollection of that day today telling a reporter afterwards exactly what the phone call was like. He actually told our manu raju he had to get off the phone with the president and said the reason he needed to get off the phone is because the Vice President was being evacuated and if you match up the timeline, the president s tweet attacking mike pence was ten minutes after that fact. This idea that the Trump Legal Team is trying to present that somehow the president had no idea the Vice President was in danger when he attacked him does not meet up with the facts of the case. Are you getting reaction from others to the latest reporting from jamie . Not yet that report did not drop until after most of the these republican senators had already left for the day but anderson, its important to point out that when you press these republican senators, they dont dispute the fact that President Trump did not play a responsible role on the day of the january 6th insurrection. Many have actually been very vocally critically about the role he played and there is not much to indicate, even a Bombshell Report like this would change their mind. They continue to fall back on this excuse that this is a Process Problem and its about the constitution and their interpretation of the constitution says you cant impeach a president thats already left office. I asked marco rubio that question and he said you cant get around that and it sets a bad precedent going forward. There is nothing to indicate a report this damming is going to change the math of the vote tomorrow. You need 17 republicans in order to convict President Trump and at this point, it just does not look like there are enough to make that happen. All right, nobles appreciate it. Thanks. Well continue our conversation with the Breaking News next with a live report from florida and reaction from sources close to pence about one controversial claim attorneys made today and how the former president thought his defense team did today. Later tonight, more on what the former president knew about the threat to his Vice President the day of the attack when he tweeted mike pence lacked quote, courage. Build a Gaming Business that breaks the internet . That means working night and day. And delegating to an experienced live bookkeeper for peace of mind. Your books are all set. So you can finally give john some attention. Trusted experts. Guaranteed accurate books. Intuit quickbooks live. For People Living with hiv, keep being you. And ask your doctor about biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in certain adults. Its not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights hiv to help you get to and stay undetectable. Thats when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. Research shows people who take hiv treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit hiv through sex. Serious side effects can occur, including Kidney Problems and kidney failure. Rare, lifethreatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. Do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. Tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. If you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. Common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. If youre living with hiv, keep loving who you are. And ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. If you have risk factors like heart disease, diabetes and raised triglycerides,. Vascepa can give you something to celebrate. Vascepa, when added to your statin,. Is clinically proven to provide 25 lower risk from heart attack and stroke. Vascepa is clearly different. First and only fda approved. Celebrate less risk. Even for those with family history. Dont take vascepa if you are. Or become allergic to Icosapent Ethyl or any inactive ingredient in vascepa. Serious side effects may occur like Heart Rhythm Problems and bleeding. Heart rhythm problems may occur in more people. With persistent cardiovascular risk or who have had them in the past. Tell your doctor if you experience an Irregular Heartbeat or other Heart Rhythm Problems. Possible side effects include muscle and joint pain. Celebrate less risk. Added cardio protection. Talk to your doctor about adding protection with vascepa. With audible, i can be transported somewhere that is impossible to go. The audible plus catalog is awesome. Its like having a streaming service, but just for audio content. Theres so many options. Theres podcasts. Ill listen to the meditations. I love audible originals. Mythology, anthropology, a lot of the ologies. They pretty much have whatever you like. Its just endless. To start your free 30day trial, just text join 15 to 500500. There is a Development Related to Breaking News this hour as reported multiple members of congress telling cnn about an expletive laced call between Kevin Mccarthy as the January 6th Riot took place. Sources say mccarthy and others begged for help but the former president had no intention of calling off rioters and cnn is hearing from other sources pushing back on Defense Attorneys attempts today to suggestion that the former president did not know his Vice President was in serious potentially mortal danger when he tweeted that mike pence lacked quote courage. I want to go to our chief domestic correspondent jim acosta. You have new reporting about how sources close to former Vice President pence are reacting to todays defense of the former president. Right, anderson. That was a moment that stood out for a lot of people when Michael Van Der Veen said during this Impeachment Trial today that at no point did donald trump know mike pence was in danger On January 6th when he was rushed out of the danger by u. S. Secret service, thats not the case. We know thats not the case. I talked with a close source to the president that said that is not the case or that is not true. When i asked whether or not Michael Van Der Veen was lying when he said that during this trial, this source close to the Vice President said yes. Now, i will tell you, anderson, aides to the former Vice President are still fuming over President Trumps actions that day. They believe he did not do enough to make sure that Vice President pence and his family were safe as they were essentially being rushed from danger on that day and it sounds as though because of what Michael Van Der Veen said, there are lingering hard feelings and maybe some of those are hardening tonight. Regarding jamies reporting, any response from the former president s team . Reporter no, we reached out, anderson, and they have not responded. What jamie is reporting lines up to what i heard from sources this week and we reported earlier this week that former President Trump then President Trump at the time was quote loving the capitol mob. He was loving watching the mob do what they were doing up on the hill that day, that they were showing force, as one other advisor put it and that is what the president at the time wanted to see and so it makes perfect sense what jamie is saying and what shes hearing from her sources that the president at the time when he was on the phone with Kevin Mccarthy was not showing any kind of concern whatsoever as to what was being unleashed on the hill that day. I know youve been talking with former white house officials about their view of his actions On January 6th, what are they saying . Because really, there is just in the public record, there is not a lot we know of we dont have any minute by minute account, which would be obviously fascinating to see of what the president was actually doing. Reporter we dont have that, and actually, i will tell you, anderson, its interesting you ask that because i talked to a former Top White House official about this today in and this one former official said it might have been beneficial to have had hearings in all of this to get to the bottom of what former President Trump and top aides knew at that time as things progressed minute by minute. When trump decided not to participate in any of this and not testify, there was a huge missed opportunity to get to some of the facts as to what he was doing that day but i talked to a couple former couple Top White House officials about this today. They are still sickened by what trump was up to that day, his actions on that day, how he seemed to be delighting on what was going on that day and anderson, you know, one of the aspects that really sickened some of these former white house officials the most is the way trump was behaving towards Vice President mike pence. I mean, this is, as you and i have talked about on so many different occasions, this is the most loyal official during that entire administration and he was essentially throwing him to the lions on capitol hill and in the words of this one former the Top White House official i spoke with earlier today, trump saw pence as the fall guy. Blaming mike pence for not overturning the Election Results and it still something that really sickens people who worked for the former president although anderson, as you and i know, there is plenty of former officials who will believe until The End Of Time donald trump didnt do anything wrong that day but we have to be honest. That does not mean everybody that worked under former President Trump, a lot of former officials were disgusted by his actions that day. Anderson . What about how the former president viewed todays hearings . I assume happier than he was the first day when he heard from the quality of his attorneys . Reporter right. It was a disaster earlier this week so he was obviously angry about that. I talked to a couple of sources who were familiar with his thinking and said yes, that he was much happier today but of course, why wouldnt he be happier when you listen to what some of the Defense Attorneys were saying, it sounded like trump tv. They were airing his grievances. They were airing his lies. They were giving credence to things that werent true getting back to this issue of pence and whether or not trump knew he was in danger, and so it was a cavalcade of what aboutism and lies and that will play with the audience of one just as these former officials were playing for the audience of one when trump was in office, theyre playing for the audience of one when hes out of office. Jim acosta, appreciate it. Thanks very much. Perspective from ross garber that teaches Impeachment Law at tulane and Gloria Boringer and laura coats and former assistant u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york. Ross, i mean, House Managers could theoretically call witnesses, that seems unlikely even after this jamie gangel reporting. Its not even theory. The rules provide for an opportunity for the House Managers or Trump Lawyers to request it and lets keep in mind the perspective, which is this is probably one of the most significant proceedings in a democracy to have. The notion of an Impeachment Trial without witnesses without any sworn testimony is extraordinary. I mean, we all know, weve all practiced law, i mean, in a Dog Bite Case you have testimony, you have witnesses, you have evidence and we havent had any of that in this proceeding. I mean, its an amazingly quick process and in my opinion, its hard to justify how quick its been. Particularly since even is there. Tommy tuberville is saying what the president said to him. For the life of me, i cant understand why Kevin Mccarthy, the leader of the republicans in the house wouldnt feel its his constitutional duty to come out and tell the senate exactly what his conversation with the president was particularly now i mean, this is the guy who he went down to maralago to kiss the ring and get the donor list but i believe it is his duty to do this. You shouldnt have to force him to do this. He, you know, he took an oath to protect and defend and here he is. He needs to come out publicly and talk about these things, as do other people who spoke with him or spoke with the president or who worked for mike pence. You know, mccarthy actually talked about this call the day of the attack over on fox news. I just want to play the clip of what he said then. As this capitol was being overrun, i called the president. I talked to the president and explained to him what was going on right now ask asked him to go and speak to the American Public and these individuals and tell them to stop. Thats all he said. Of course, were hearing the rest of the story and how animated it was and this is precisely why the Attorney Van Der Veen was so ineffective and rudeness did not translate. Think about this, he made it out there and made the statement he has no idea what the president was doing. He certainly was not doing anything to stop or hurt this in any way but hes allowed for this sort of information to really undermine the defense case. Hes allowed it to linger right now and have this question of credibility of who are you supposed to believe . Youve got mccarthy and people know the mccarthy thing mark meadows has gone on fox yesterday saying the president wanted it was trying to get the National Guard. President was very concerned. President spoke in Realtime Calling for peace even though realtime, i mean, it was two hours that went by without the president saying anything. Sure, and im sure hed like to sell magic beans and a gooden goose and fantastical statements how to recreate and recast in narrative when there is no evidence. They didnt present it. The people who were supposed to present the evidence, i know the burden is on the house Impeachment Managers to bring the case and they did that. But the people who raised a factual dispute in their briefing and in their actual statements have not provided any substantive corroboration of what theyve said, specifically a flurry of activity to try to stop and confront these insurrectionists. Where is the evidence of that . Where is the information that trump did anything to stop it and that same question keeps lingering that raskin asked. Why did he leave you out to dry . Why did you become sacrificial lambs in his lame duck presidency . They havent answered that question and now they have this out there that refutes the thing they were saying about the rest of the impeachment. They were not credible. They misinformed, mischaracterized. Sounds like theyre the ones that just did that. You knew before the mccarthy exchange, the details, the biggest question that needed to be answered is what did the president know and when did he know it . Big picture. The House Managers put on a very compelling case here. Arguably the biggest gap, the only gap in the case is what did the president know and do during those key minutes and hours immediately as the capitol was being sieged and afterwards . And now this new reporting. Jamie gangel answered the question better than anybody. Are we going to see witnesses . It highly unlikely. This is what laura said. This comes down to credibility. This is what testimony and crossexamination is for and im getting a bit of a flash back to last years impeachment with john bolton who we learned in the midst of the trial had this Smoking Gun Evidence but the senate voted no witnesses. That was republican controlled. Now its democratic controlled. Maybe this congresswoman has broken the dam. The witnesses will come you can hope that the witnesses will do the right thing and come forward if they have information that they think is so important. I mean, is that impossible . No, no, the rules they are there in the actual room. There is a dam breaking . I dont know. Thats just it. Right now it looks like the president has the votes for for acquittal. Right now the president is set up to win the trial. If the House Managers want to take a legitimate shot at changing that dynamic, they have to call witnesses. There has to be new evidence. It doesnt look like that will be happening. For perspective. I know the concern for Calling Witnesses, as well. This will draw out. To this date, the shortest president ial Impeachment Trial was last year. 21 days. This is day 4. A lot of work for us and the senate but to get the truth is senate. This is anything can happen. I mean, keep in mind when we talk about last year, i mean, john bolton, he had a book and wanted to not mess up with his release date and have the smoking guns but talking about every Single Person who is the actual juror, they are the witnesses. The mike lees, the tubervilles, the people around them in that room, they know what happened and remember the conversations and by the way, they knew no help came. They were there for those two hours plus amount of time coming back to the floor. So its an odd exchange. It an odd notion but i think one of the reasons theyre not Calling Witnesses is because theyre in front of them right now. I will say, though, what i think is still missing, who was actually in the white house with trump actually watching and what did that person see and what did those people see . That would be the most direct link as would be the person to show me that the National Guard or reinforcement that trump had his thumb on the scale . Who is the paper pusher . Mark meadows cant get any more speaking gigs, hell write a book and that will have details. It opens the pandoras box and i take your point and see it. You have a democratic president who wants to get his Covid Response package through and there is concerns and delay everything but this is important. This is an Impeachment Trial of judges sometimes take months. If youre going to do it, ill talk to history now. Do not do it this way. This is not how you do an Impeachment Trial. What about the commission . In my mind, maybe their thought is well wait until we have this Bipartisan Commission do the full investigation. Thats what van der veen was eluding to due process and investigation period but i think to myself what youre doing is kicking the can down the road. I understand why they are making the arguments but if you already know, which is clear from the house Impeachment Managers case, you already know trump did nothing, that he watched and sat idly by as our government was under attack and under siege and so the investigation may provide more full comprehensive information but the high crime misdemeanor impeachable part, i think its already there. The problem is theyre fighting against common sense and political people that made their minds up in spite of the obvious evidence. One other consideration, the new Justice Department with Merrick Garland has to make a decision what to do with the capitol riot. They are prosecuting the people physically in the building but need to look at others that didnt physically go in there up to and including the president and all this information is and could be relevant to the investigation, could lead to subpoenas that, could lead to who knows where. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it. A lot more to discuss. Just thinking of that possibility. From a political standpoint from the Biden Administration could cause all sorts of things. Joe biden made clear he doesnt want to tell the doj what to do. Thats absolutely the right thing. This is a tough decision Merrick Garland has to make. Ahead, more on the growing questions over what the former president knew what mike pence was being hustled to safety. Well speak to pences former aide and whether she thinks the president abandoned pence. Obsession has many names. This is ours. The new lexus is. All in on the sports sedan. Lease the 2021 is 300 for 359 a month for thirty nine months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. My body is truly powerful. I have the power to lower my a1c. Because my body can still make its own insulin. And trulicity activates my body to release it, lowering my blood sugar from the first dose. Onceweekly trulicity responds when my body needs it, 24 7. Trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. Its not insulin. It isnt for people with type 1 diabetes. Dont take trulicity if youre allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. Stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, changes in vision, or diabetic retinopathy. Serious side effects may include pancreatitis. Taking trulicity with sulfonylurea or insulin raises low blood sugar risk. Side effects include indigestion, fatigue, belly pain, decreased appetite, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting which can lead to dehydration and may worsen Kidney Problems. I have it within me to lower my a1c. Ask your doctor about trulicity. Im erin. And im margo. Weve always done things our own way. Charted our own paths. I wasnt going to just back down from moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. Psoriatic arthritis wasnt going to change who i am. When i learned that my joint pain could mean permanent joint damage, i asked about enbrel. Enbrel helps relieve joint pain, and helps stop permanent joint damage. Plus enbrel helps skin get clearer in psoriatic arthritis. Ask your doctor about enbrel, so you can get back to your true self. Play ball enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. Serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, Nervous System and Blood Disorders and allergic reactions have occurred. Tell your doctor if youve been someplace where fungal infections are common. Or if youre prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have persistent fever, bruising, bleeding or paleness. Dont start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. Visit enbrel. Com to see how your joint damage could progress. Enbrel. Eligible patients may pay as little as 5 per month. Oh, you think this is just a Community Center . No. Its way more than that. Cause when you hook our community up with the internet. Boom look at ariana, crushing virtual class. Jamol, chasing that college dream. Michael, doing something crazy. This is the place where we can show the world what we can do. Comcast is partnering with 1000 Community Centers to create wifienabled lift zones, so students from lowincome families can get the tools they need to be ready for anything. Oh were ready. Along with the Breaking News about House Republican leader mccarthys phone call with President Trump, jim acosta reported a source close to mike pence said the former president s lawyers were not telling the truth about whether the former president knew pence was in danger during the insurrection. There was a lot of questions on that topic today. Here is one submitted by mitt romney and susan collins. When President Trump sent the disparaging tweet at 2 24 p. M. Regarding Vice President pence, was he aware that Vice President had been removed from the senate by the secret service for his safety . A lingering question tonight. Here is randi kaye with the timeline of what we do know. On january 6th, President Trump left everyone in this capitol for dead. Reporter democrat House Managers say that includes his own Vice President. Instead, donald trump was focused still on overturning the Election Results, as congress voted to certify them. Trump called senator Tommy Tuberville a freshman republican senator from alabama shortly after 2 00 p. M. According to the Washington Post. On that call, donald trump reportedly asked senator tuberville to make additional objections to the certification process. Thats why he called. Reporter the Washington Post reports that call occurred at 2 13 p. M. I will stand in recess until the call of the chair. Reporter at that point, rioters were getting dangerously close to the senate floor. Forcing Vice President mike pence and members of congress to run for safety. Having stopped the process of certifying the vote. Speaking to reporters wednesday on capitol hill, tuberville described that call with trump sharing how he warned him of the chaos surrounding Vice President pence. I said mr. President , they just took our Vice President out. Theyre getting ready to drag me out of here. I got to go. As House Managers look to convict the former president for his role in the January 6th Riot, that phone call with tuberville serves as a time stamp, a crucial piece of evidence that shows not only was then President Trump aware of the danger his Vice President was in, but that trump did nothing about it. Instead of taking action to help save pence, who the angry mob was hunting for, donald trump waited. He waited approximately 11 minutes before tweeting this. Mike pence didnt have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution. Usa demands the truth. And there it is, at 2 24 p. M. , Donald Trumps tweet that put yet another target on his Vice President s back by inciting rioters even more. On january 6th, the only person he condemned was his own Vice President , mike pence, who was hiding in this building with his family in fear for his life. Reporter Surveillance Video shows pence and his family being rushed from the area about 2 25 p. M. One minute after trumps tweet. Somehow he managed to escape the mob that went so far to construct a noose outside the capitol. Meant to punish those they believe are traitors based on the vitriol coming from the former president. Pence lied to us and hes a pig and his name will be mud for. Reporter trumps Defense Team Sticking to the story that trump at in point was informed his Vice President was in any danger. Randi, where does this go from here . Will Congress Look further into the phone call with the former president Congressman Tuberville even though its outside of the trial . Reporter it seems that way. Democratic senator Sheldon Whitehouse from rhode island said seven senators signed a letter given to the Ethics Community asking them to investigate the phone call between tuberville and former president donald trump. He said that its in the initial process of review right now before they would decide if it would be a full and formal investigation, but anderson, what is so critical here is again, we have this time stamp. Of course, we know the riot was unfolding on national television. The president at the time, donald trump could have and should have known that his Vice President was in danger and in the middle of this chaos, but now we know that he was actually informed around 2 15 that afternoon by senator tuberville telling him that things got so things got so bad and there was a danger that the Vice President was evacuated. No matter how much the Legal Team Denies that that the president knew anything about the Vice President being in danger or in trouble, senator again tonight telling us he stands by what he told reporters. About his conversation with the former president. I appreciate it. I want to bring in olivia troy. A former key aid to pence. Olivia, thanks for being with us. What do you make of the reporting that the president s lawyers werent telling the truth today about when President Trump knew that his Vice President was in danger . It was egregious because they were flat out lying and had the audacity to say, i think were under oath, that wasnt lost on me, im thinking to myself, yes, you are under oath and you are flatly lying repeatedly to congress and the American Public is watching you and youre going along with the lies, still, today. And that is a dangerous moment for our country, because people are listening and theyre watching and theyre using this again as a Propaganda Piece for themselves. I want to play that moment. As many will recall, last summer, the white house was faced with violent rioters, night after night. They repeatedly attacked secret Service Officers and at one point pierced a security wall, culminating in the clearing of Lafayette Square. Since that time, there has been a sustained negative narrative in the media regarding the necessity of those Security Measures on that night, even though they certainly prevented many calamities from occurring. In the wake of the capitol attack, it must be investigated whether the proper force posture was not initiated due to the political pressure stemming from the events at Lafayette Square. I mean, thats not only rewriting the history of what happened at Lafayette Square, but suggesting that political correctness, i guess, is the reason there wasnt enough adequate defense at the capitol. That particularly bothered you . Right, it made me angry, because i was there every single night, sitting in the white house, working on the Covid Response and this pandemic that continues to rage on. And i saw the protesters every night when i left. There was nothing violent happening there. I saw a white house that was fortified to the extreme. They had Law Enforcement everywhere. And the day of Lafayette Square, i had walked around outside with a mask on, i was very carefully, but i wanted to see democracy in progress. It was peaceful protesters. So this is just part of the ongoing sham of the trump administration, being the president of Law And Order, which they go on and perpetuate during this trial, saying that he wouldnt cause this, he is for Law And Order. No, donald trump used that narrative to pit Law Enforcement against the people and to scare people and communities and lie, because he thought it was an election ploy to get reelected. So all of that culminates with these supporters following his rhetoric, his violent incitement and everything On January 6th that leads to the Vice President s life and others being put at risk. This is a man who watches this and he encourages it repeatedly. And to watch these lawyers flat out lie is just continuing to push that narrative to the American Public. And fundamentally, as a National Security person, i have to say, anderson, i find that so egregious. These senators, tomorrow, however they vote, these republicans, when they place that vote, they need to think about the fact that theyre saying its okay for a president to basically call for incitement and put his Vice President , the number two in the country, at risk. What does that say for the future of our democracy and our country when we say that thats okay and we acquit someone of it . I mean, do you think the white house, the president , saw a political advantage in violence . Absolutely. This was discussed in meetings. This was discussed about the Law And Order and how violence was actually playing in his favor and they could use that is a campaign ploy. Months out, in the summer, this was discussed. You heard that . I heard it firsthand. I was in meetings during it. It was said sometimes in governor calls when they werent taking charge of the violence, they were bullied into it, they were called weak and cowards. Staff discussed this. I can tell you that people in the president s coms team were actually very upset after the Lafayette Square incident and this Law And Order narrative continues afterwards on that. And that is how you end up with the White Supremacy narrative being played down at dhs and in these reports. This is all part of the Law And Order sham of this president and he needs to be held accountable. Are they willing to vote and hold him accountable . Its important for our country. Olivia troye, i appreciate your time, thank you. Next, a moment that led to a Standing Ovation on the senate floor, a rare moment of unity, to honor a hero. When we continue. Advanced nonsmall Cell Lung Cancer can change everything. But your first treatment could be a chemofree combination of two immunotherapies that works differently. It could mean a chance to live longer. Opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with nonsmall Cell Lung Cancer that has spread and that tests positive for pdl1 and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. Opdivo plus yervoy is the first and only fdaapproved combination of two Immunotherapies Opdivo plus yervoy equals. A chance for more starry nights. More sparkly days. More big notes. More small treasures. More family dinners. More private desserts. Opdivo and yervoy can cause your Immune System to attack healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. These problems can be severe and lead to death. See your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; Irregular Heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain, nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. These are not all the possible side effects. Problems can occur at the same time and some more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. Tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or Nervous System problems, if youve had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. Heres to a chance for more horizons. A chance to live longer. Ask your doctor about chemofree opdivo plus yervoy. Your next Celebrity Cruise thank you to all involved in our clinical trials. Is ready for takeoff, ask your doctor about chemofree opdivo plus yervoy. With our biggest air offer ever. Save on every flight, from every gateway, on every sailing. And, with drinks, wifi and tips always included for everyone, you have everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. Celebrity cruises. Sail beyond. For nearly a decade, comcast has been helping students get ready. Weve connected 4 million lowincome students to low cost, highspeed xfinity internet. Were working with hundreds of School Districts across the country to sponsor Free Internet and laptops. And parents are seeing an impact. And now were turning 1,000 Community Centers into lift zones wifi enabled safe spaces to study. So more students can be ready for anything. Im trying to do some homework here. Just moments after todays Impeachment Trial proceedings, the senate voted unanimously to award the congressional gold medal to Capitol Hill Police officer eugene goodman, being hailed rightfully as a hero for his actions on the day of the riot. Majority leader Chuck Schumer led the senate in applause as he said goodman deserves the highest honor the congress can bestow. [ applause ] as you likely remember, it was officer goodman seen in this Security Video leading senator mitt romney to s