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minimum wage. >> we need to pay people what they're worth is. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." and history before our eyes. a moment of reckoning for one of the darkest moments in the american story. the invasion of the u.s. capitol. in a few hours the former president on trial for his role in the events that took place. today, the senate will hear arguments on the former president's widely discredited claim that he cannot be tried at all. the meat of the case begins tomorrow. house managers will argue it was the former president's own words and actions that incited the deadly insurrection. telling his supporters to fight upwards of 20 times at the rally. >> fight. fight, fight. fighting. fighting the fight fighting. i would fight that fight. fight. fighting. we fight like hell. fight like hell. >> there you go. sources tell cnn that donald trump is convinced he will be acquitted and is more focussed on ret rebugs against the republicans who voted against him. one of those congressman adam kinzinger has a new op-ed in the washington post calling on his senate colleagues to convict trump. kinzinger writes that convicting donald trump is, quote, necessary to save america. as for president biden, he has largely steered clear of the impeachment drama, choosing to focus on his $1.9 trillion pandemic relief plan instead. joining us now cnn political analyst and new york times washington correspondent maggie haberman and ben ginsburg. you have new reporting on the former president what he plans to do today, how he sees this, but first just take a step back because here we are. it was a month ago. that the u.s. capitol was invaded and today a former president of the united states never before has the president been impeached and tried twice. a former president of the united states on trial today. what do you think this means for the american story? >> i think it's too soon to say what it means, john. i think it will depend on whether he is acquitted. i think it is going to set a marker in terms of how frequently impeachment trials are used. i can see reverse scenario, people's conduct gets excused because people are afraid of saying, well, we used impeachment too many times. i think it's way too soon to say. if we asked ourselves a year ago would president trump be impeached a second time before he left office, the answer probably would have been no. so, i think we're waiting to see how this plays out. in terms of how the president is interpreting it, look, this is going to be very unlike last time. he had the apparatus of the white house. he had the rnc. he had his campaign. i do expect the rnc will do some rapid response. i do expect that you're going to see a team of people led by the president's adviser jason miller and some other -- trying to push back on whatever we're seeing at this trial. i don't expect we're going to hear lots of reports about where the former president was. it's not like he's going to put this up at the big tvs at mar-a-lago. he is going to likely watch this in the office they set up for him or in his residence there. >> ben, i'm curious what you will be watching for on this hisser toing day and this historic coming week. in terms of tthe evidence. those 20 times he said fight, he was speaking figuratively. the people around him said trial by combat, like rudy giuliani did and all that stuff, you know, that was just overblown rhetoric. but then there's also this moment that i want to play where he simulated what he meant by fight. >> and we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. used to be that they argue with me. i would fight. so i fight that fight. i fight that fight. pump up. >> he's punching the air. okay? he's punching -- i fight, they fight, bump bump. i mean, what do you think of their argument that he didn't mean any of that? >> well, i think they've got some general problems with the argument because you see the tone that the president sets and then you see the results of people breaking into the capitol. now, i'm not sure that that's enough to convince enough republican senators to convict him, but it's going to make compelling case if the house democratic managers actually manage to do it right. and just as a legal matter in the trial itself relying on the first amendment arguments is a bit misplaced. first amendment is the defense to a criminal action. this is not a criminal action. this is an impeachment. and a president of the united states can say what he wants but the end result is an armed insurrection of a capitol, that's violating his oath of office. that's independent from the criminal case that they're trying, criminal defense that they're trying to use. >> yeah. the clearest example of what ben is saying and i think it's important is that a president of the united states could go out and say i'm a nazi, right? and that would be percepted, first amendment protected free speech. but absolutely i don't think there's anyone in the world who wouldn't think that a president could be impeached for declaring loyalty to the nazi party and pursuing those avenues. there's an important thing the former president's defense lawyers brought up and i want your takes. maggie, the former president's attorneys in this brief wrote that the president was not delighted, was not enjoying what he saw as he was watching, glued to the television, watching the invasion of the u.s. capitol. what's your reporting on this? >> my reporting is that he was enjoying it. cnn's reporting, john. and i think that they are making this argument and it's one of the more brazen things they say in this briefing, in this brief they filed. i think they did it because they don't expect witnesses are going to be called. this is not something existing in the ether and who can say whether it's true or not. if they call witnesses they could get a much better sense not just how the former president was perceiving those hours in front of the television when his phone was ringing with people and when advisers were around him saying we have to do something more. i think that you would have people who could talk about what was or wasn't done during that period of time. so, they're saying something that just goes against all our reporting and frankly cuts against everything that people know about this former president. he likes when people fight for him. and the certification of the vote was delayed. those are two things he was interested in seeing. it is hard to imagine that it is credible when they claim that, no, that's actually not true. everything else you heard. >> ben, you think it's a mistake. you think these lawyers walked into it by arguing that. >> i think they opened the door to basically factual testimony about the president and their choice of words is sort of strange. just look at the timeline. they have now opened the door to examine. the time lines say the rioters broke into the capitol shortly after 2:00 p.m. 2:24 was when donald trump sent out that tweet about mike pence, certainly inflamed the situation. and it wasn't until 4:00 p.m. that he did his other the election was stolen but you all should go home. the question is who was with him? who could tell what he was thinking about what he was saying at 2:24 when he sent the mike pence tweet? that's now been opened up by his lawyers. the whole sequence of the next two hours about what he was doing and saying before he sent out that tweet, did any of his advisers try and tell him that he needed to say something like that sooner? why didn't he? and there awere a lot of people around in the white house during that period. they're now subject to filling in those blanks. >> maggie, do we have any reporting that they will be called those people around him during those three hours? >> as of now no, alisyn. no expectation there will be witnesses. this is something that some have been fairly critical of democrats about they are not moving harder to do it. i think it's because both democrats and republicans want to have this trial wrapped up fairly quickly for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that president biden wants to move forward with a legislative agenda. but again, i think this is something -- a critique we saw with the first impeachment which was you're shaving off the edges and if something is an impeachable offense it's probably worth doing it the right way. >> ben, i want to read you if i can if we can put it up on the screen what adam kinzinger, one of the ten house republicans to vote for impeachment wrote overnight. he's making the case to the republican senators who will sit there, he says this isn't a waste of time. it's a matter of accountability. if the gop doesn't take a stand, the chaos of the past few months and the past four years could quickly return. the future of our party and our country depends on confronting what happened. i think this is interesting, ben. i'm asking you more as a republican than as a lawyer per se. is the framing here from adam kin kinzinger. what you do will determine to an extent the future of our party. it's a moment of reckoning. how do you see it? >> i think he's right about that. look what donald trump's sort of departure gift to the republican party was, a bunch of really difficult issues to deal with both in the house and the senate. both instances the republican party once a party of great ideas, has reverted to sort of off kilter process. true marjorie taylor greene and lynn cheney and -- liz cheney in what they did in the house. it was a reversion to process. democrats shouldn't have the ability to tell us who is on committees. it's a process defense, not a great idea. and in the senate, the senators who want to protect donald trump reverting to this really not well taken argument about you can't impeach a former president. those are process arguments. what adam kinzinger is saying which i think is right is that you have to stand for something as a political party. you have to have great ideas. and donald trump has got the party back sort of cowering in the process cellar. >> ben ginsberg, thank you very much for your perspective. we'll lean on you over the next few days. maggie, don't go far. much more on the impeachment trial ahead. including the georgia secretary of state now investigating the former president's call to find more votes to overturn the election. plus, president joe biden what is he doing? what is his current view of the trial? we have new reporting on that. plus what he sees as more important right now. pushing forward with pandemic relief. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ research shows that people remember commercials with exciting 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were there at the time. and the house managers presenting the case also were there at the time doing their jobs. and now they're going to gather. we're going to think about all those images of the insurrectionists sort of overtaking the senate chambers. sitting up there where patrick leahy will be sitting, presiding over the trial and standing around ted cruz's desk. all those images while we're going to see a trial over this incident, you know, on the president's impeachment. >> and david, reminded of adam kinzinger's words overnight, he said this is not a waste of time. and in some ways he's speaking to the entire republican party, speaking specifically to republican senators but also speaking i think to the american people about why this is an important moment. what do you think? >> so i would just -- adam kinzinger is right and odd to hear a republican sort of making the arguments you heard democrats making initially in this impeachment matter, but i also think back to liz cheney's comments over the weekend which is that you can't ensure that this doesn't happen again if you just sweep it turned rug, if you just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. so while we all may understand that the likelihood of a conviction is not going to happen here in all likelihood, i think the exercise of having to go through this is an important one for our democracy to remind our citizenry that presidents should not be able to behave this way. >> you know, maggie, we heard senator langeford, james langeford say he thinks everybody's mind is made up. you hear some pundits say, unless something really dramatic happens, everybody's mind is pretty made up. it's like i thought that january 6th insurrection was the dramatic part and the idea that we're only a month away from that but we still need something more draw matic to change minds. that gets back to what you were saying about witnesses. that's one way there could be a smoking gun. one way that something more dramatic could happen as if somebody from the president's team came in and said, yeah. i heard him. he was delighted. or i heard him, he seemed to be enjoying it. he had three hours to call off the mob. he didn't do it. so it is interesting that democrats aren't -- we're thinking they're not going to use that option. >> it is. and look, alisyn, i think something you raised earlier in this segment is important which is that this is taking place at the scene of the crime. i think these videos the democrats are going to show are going to be very jarring. we know that the former president's team is planning on showing videos of their own or at least they said they're planning on it of democrats making people uncomfort financial or calling for protests or getting in people's faces. it's not going to be the same thing as seeing people who are armed or holding things that could be used as weapons roaming through the halls of the capitol. that will be a powerful thing. i don't know that it's going to be enough to change anyone's minds. it's worth remembering we went into the last impeachment trial with most republicans saying this is already a predetermined outcome. but i do think david is right that the reason that this is done is to remind people this isn't just another event. this isn't an ordinary occurrence. what we saw was incredibly unusual and awful. >> absolutely awful. horrifying. and we have some of the video up now. it's horrifying every time you see it. david, there are so many things i think for all of us to watch for in the next few days. yes, it's history. it is stunning just to see the history of it all. very specific political things to watch. today they are going to hear arguments about what i think is a widely discredited question about whether or not the constitution even allows this. i and the preponderance of scholarship think it does but there's a vote on this today. and that will tell us a lot. it will tell us a lot if the numbers of republicans who said that they didn't want to even hear this a week ago has changed. and i think it's possible the numbers won't be exactly the same today. >> it's possible. it will be fascinating to see which republicans -- remember when rand paul brought this up, referring to a vote he brought up a couple weeks ago, 45 republicans said this is not even constitutional to hold this trial. now, since then, we have seen more and more even conservative scholarship come out and say there is a constitutional rational for why this trial should actually exist and take place even though president trump is no longer in office. i don't know, john, if we're going to see different numbers and i certainly don't belief you can equate the final vote on conviction to be the same as voting that it is constitutional. but it will give us a realm of republican senators to be watching throughout the trial to be listening more keenly on their questioning of the managers, the president's defense team when we get to that point in the trial because it gives us the universe of folks who are open to the notion that donald trump should actually be sitting in this moment of accountability. >> maggie, president biden seems to be staying out of the fray, trying to stay, you know, pretty laser focussed on his own agenda. and the relief package, but he's asked about it all the time. and philosophically it's hard to know if he wishes this would just go away. >> it is. look, i don't think this is what he would prefer to be dealing with but i do think that president biden and his team recognize what took place at the capitol was unprecedented and therefore calls for unprecedented response. i do think that president biden who not only has a legislative agenda he would like to turn to but has cabinet appointees he wants to have confirmed he would rather focus on that. i think he has been trying to preserve whatever is left of his pitch for bipartisanship. i don't think he wants to squander it on impeachment which i think folks think it is going to be seen as partisan even though it should not be that kind of a process. i do think he will keep -- he's been projecting this sort of above it all, i'm not paying attention, i'm not going to watch. i don't think he will do what donald trump did which is devour much of the coverage. this is not a team that is immune to television coverage or news coverage. i'm sure they'll be keeping track of what is going on. i do think they'll try to keep themselves out of it as much as possible. >> i'm talking about john harwood this presents opportunity for the biden white house. it provides a week or so where they can work. they can get to work on the relief package behind the scenes and show the beginning of results here, but they have their work cut out for them. completely separate from impeachment between now and march 14th getting this bill passed. it won't be easy and it's a very big deal and big politically for them. >> yeah. one thing they are losing out on is time. time just with the president out there with the american people making the sale on a daily basis on this package because they know impeachment is going to consume most of the oxygen. here is where the policy and political goals of president biden are aligned right now. which is getting this aid package through as quickly as possible out to the american people hopefully improving vaccine distribution, getting economic relief where they need it and showing a quick victory out of the gate as president. all of that aligns as to they need to show some progress quickly and they know that. so, having a slight delay in that clock, it's not a desired goal. i don't think this is what the biden presidency is going to be remembered for is there was this two-week impeachment trial and may have slowed their ability to sell this but i do think it is a bump in the road they need to sort of meander around. >> okay. david, maggie, thank you both very much. >> thank you. so pharmacies will get the first 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who are fully vaccinated can do once their friends and family have also been vaccinated. as of this morning, 71% of vaccine doses available in the u.s. have been administered. nearly 10% of americans have received their first shot. but, just under 3% of americans are fully vaccinated. joining us now is andy a white house senior adviser on coronavirus. andy, great to see you this morning. can i just start with the most burning, pressing question? and that is let me pull up these graphs. you see the numbers of hospitalizations coming down markedly and it comforts us. you see the number of daily case count coming down markedly in this country, and we feel comforted. and then we hear from some of our experts that because of the variants we are only in the eye of the storm. and we are about to be hit by another wave. do you think the peak of the pandemic has passed or do we need to brace for another peak? >> well, good morning, alisyn. unfortunately none of us can predict the future. all we can do is control what we can control. those numbers you just sited nearly 10% of the public getting their first shot, 3% getting their second shot, we need to just push on that and accelerate as fast as possible and we need to be -- we need to double down on wearing masks. now is not the time to look at those kumpbs in my view and breathe a sigh of relief. we have ways to go. i think we know this thing has been unpredicted for the last year and still going to have some surprises for us. we are going to get there. but i wouldn't advise people to quit early. >> but from the research that you're looking at everyday, do you think the variants are outpacing the vaccination rate? >> well, if you look at other countries, the variants tend to grow sort of invisibly, like a wave under the surface. and the visibility that we have shows that these variants can grow quite quickly. it's going to depend in large part as you know on people's behavior, but the thing about this virus that we learned is it grows exponentially. the thing about vaccine shots they tend to grow more linearly. if this hits and we're not taking other protective measures like masks wearing and social distancing, then the variants could be more powerful than our ability to get people vaccinated. >> are you personally bracing for another peak? >> well, i'm a little unusual that i'm bracing for every scenario and probably more bracing for the more challenging ones because that's my job than i am for anything else. as i said, none of us can predict the future. we can do control the things we can all control. i think that should be comfortable and it also should be comfort to believe see that large numbers of seniors and people in nursing homes are getting protection. should we have a wave, our hope is that many, many more people will be protected unlike the last wave we had. >> as far as we know, there are something like 700 cases of the new variants already here in the u.s. but as you have pointed out and so many experts, we're not doing the genetic sequencing gnomic sequencing that we need. so how many times that number 700 of the variant cases are actually here? >> well, we don't know. i think the good news is we have significantly ramped up sequencing, tenfold in the last several weeks since we've been here. and in the american rescue plan, which you may hear us mention more than once because it's so vital to our ability to fight this virus, we've asked for all of the resources we need to significantly ramp this up because we need to be doing as much as anybody in the world. what we should all assume for now is what we're seeing is only a small sample. and i believe in the precautionary principle, which means that if you're not sure, you should assume that you have a varilent strain near you. i think we're a few months away from being able to say that that's something we should begin to look at. right now i think we're all systems go and focussed on this and in particular because our visibility is not what we want it to be. >> andy, as far as we know, 42 million americans have gotten their vaccination right now. what is your target date for when virtually all americans, let's say over the age of 18, will be vaccinated. >> well, the president has challenged us to get this done over the course of the summer. and what we've done since we've been here a few weeks ago we procured the additional supply necessary to do that. that's even without counting for johnson & johnson potentially getting approval. we're all hoping for good news but all obviously want the fda to do their jobs and demonstrate this is safe and effective. and if so, that will be even more good news. i think we'll see is this undersupply situation that we're in today that won't be lasting all the way until that time. i think we're probably going to shift and already starting to see shifts in some communities from a situation where we are undersupply to where situations where we also have to be worried about demand and vaccine hesitancy and having those conversations. supply will increase and we have to make sure that american public sees the data and has reliable sources to go to so they increase their comfort and being able to take the vaccine. >> in your head june 21st most americans will be vaccinate ord september 1st. >> it's my hope because i think the country has lived through a long period of overpromises, false deadlines, dates that have no basis in science and i don't think you're going to hear that from this white house. i think you're going to hear the white house saying let scientists do their job. only so much of this that's controllable. we're going to do our best. and hopefully under promise and overdeliver but prepared for unexpected events. there will be unexpected events like variants and like other things. so we don't want to try to forecast the future. what we want to do is do a competent, emergency management-like job treating this like the war that it is. demonstrate to the public that we are on top of all of these things but not promise anything into the future that, you know, we won't be able to deliver on because we want the public to be able to trust that we're leveling with them and that we're getting this done. >> how about getting all kids back in public schools. do you think that teachers, public schoolteachers, need to be vaccinated before that can happen? >> well, we're awaiting guidance from the cdc and the department of education who are really looking at this factually and on the ground and scientifically. so, you know, we all know what we want to be true. and certainly having kids back in school is one of the president's top commitments, but having them back in school safely is what's important. so since i'm not the scientist, i'm going to refrain from having people like me opine on what the science should say, would say, et cetera, other than to say it's obviously a goal we need to work towards. we need to help schools. we need to help state and local governments help make that happen that doesn't happen by itself. >> andy slavitt, we appreciate your time today. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you. john? >> we want to remember some of the nearly 465,000 americans lost to coronavirus. republican congressman ron wright, the first sitting member of congress to die after getting the virus. president biden described bow-tying congressman from the dallas forth worth area as a fighter who battled bravely not only the coronavirus but cancer as well. he was 67 years old. holly warren, a beloved attendance clerk in simpsonville, south carolina. her family believed she was infected a small family gathering around new years. the entire family came down with the virus. everyone recovered except holly. she was just 65 years old. charlie coral was just 10 years old, rare brain disorder he wasn't expected to live more than a few hours after birth but he defied the odds. he brought joy to everyone who 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will you be watching the house manager, lawyers or are you going to be watching your colleagues? are you going to be watching particularly the republican senators? >> well, what i understand is that most of my republican colleagues will vote to not convict him and hiding behind this argument, which is not adhered to by most constitutional scholars that impeaching a president who already left office is unconstitutional. that is not the case. so they'll hide behind that. why, john? because what is happening with my republican colleagues, most of them, is their extreme fear of donald trump and the trump base. so, what's motivating them is extreme fear rather than doing their constitutional responsibility to listen to the evidence and make -- vote for conviction. >> it sounds like in a way you actually agree with what oklahoma senator james langeford said. he says, i don't know of anyone that their mind is not made up ahead of the impeachment trial. do you think he's right with that? >> well, you know, the other thing i heard is that if the republicans could vote by secret ballot, that most of them would vote to convict. so again, that shows that they are hiding behind an unconstitutional claim that is not the case because how can it be that a president can commit impeachable acts in the last month or days of his term and get away with this scot-free. and so, you know, i think it is a sad thing. and the lack of conviction is on the republicans and the republican party as far as i'm concerned. and i would say that a lot of americans would feel the same way. >> well, how do you get them over that hump? if you think it's fear that's keeping them from voting to convict, if you think that in a secret ballot they would vote to convict, what do you think you or the house managers could do in the next few days to change their minds? >> not much from what i can see because fear has been motivating the republicans for the entire four years of the trump presidency. and he has brought to the floor all of these kinds of -- the white supremacists and the proud boys and all that feel quite emboldened by this president to behave in violent acts. and so, i don't particularly expect too many of my senate colleagues except for the handful, perhaps who will look at the evidence and who will look to their own experience and the fear that we all had that if this mob caught any of us that we would have been badly hurt. and especially the house managers. they were right there. many of them were right there when the mob had already gone into the house chambers. and they had to put on their masks and all of that. and it was a very, very frightening situation to say the least. resulting in five deaths. one person crushed. another officer beaten to death. dozens of them badly, badly hurt. and so, the republicans are going to listen to all that evidence and say, well, we're not going to hold the president accountable for two months the president lying about the elections and basically invoking and provoking the kind of insurrection that we all witnessed on january 6th. >> what's your feeling this morning on whether or not there should be witnesses in this trial? >> if the house managers want to call witnesses, i will vote to have those witnesses called. >> i just want to remind our viewers we had you on quite a bit one year ago and you thought witnesses -- without witnesses it wasn't even a real trial. this is what you said a year ago. >> well, in that case we need a fair trial that includes witnesses and documents. relevant witnesses and documents. >> so you wanted witnesses there period. >> well, no. the fact is all of us were witnesses this time. the evidence in this trial is very different from the first impeachment trial. the evidence is that we were all witnesses, as i say. we can look to our own experiences and the fact that we all experienced fear. i know i did. when i saw the video of what was going on in the capitol and this mob, this angry mob, shouting hang pence and find nancy pelosi and all that, i had no -- there was no question in my mind that if these rioters found me or any of us we would have been badly hurt. and that is definitely born out by what happened on january 6th. >> senator macy hero know. >> do you think they should call a u.s. senator if you're a witness. do you want to go testify under oath? >> i don't think that's even necessary. we're talking about relevant witnesses. and i would say the witnesses that we haven't heard from might be capitol police. so, truly, john. we don't -- when i say we were witnesses, we all experienced it. there may be other witnesses that we have not heard from and if the house managers deem that to be important evidence for us to see or hear, then i would support it. >> senator mazie hirono, we appreciate your time this morning. as i said, you're one of >> thank you. >> one of the nearly 200 people charged with storming the u.s. capitol said he held a top-secret security clearance for decades and previously worked for the fbi. thomas caldwell's attorney said he worked as an fbi section chief from 200ed to 2010 and he has had top secret clearance since 1979. caldwell, who authorities believe holds a leadership role in the oath keepers denies being part of the extremist group and claims there's no proof he was in the capitol on january 6th. >> as early as today, the justice department is expected to ask most of the federal prosecutors appointed by the former president to resign. it appears two of them will remain on the job. delaware u.s. attorney david weiss is overseeing the tax probe of hunter biden and john s durham was appointed by bill barr to look into the origins of the russia investigation. president biden's attorney general nominee merrick garland is still awaiting confirmation until after the impeachment trial. investigators are looking into how a hacker or hackers tried to poison the water supply in one florida city. now federal officials are look s ing into this as well. we have all the details for you next. but first -- >> thank you. a new cnn original series examines the legacy of abraham lincoln's struggles to save the union and free the slaves. 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>> i'll take it. >> everything about this. >> i'll take it. >> yes, you will. everything about this is of serious concern. thank you so much for reporting on this. keep us posted. sad news overnight. mary wilson, the co-founder of the motown group the supremes has died. ♪ stop in the name of love before you break my heart ♪ >> the hit-making trio, mary wilson, diana ross and florence ballard achieved unprecedented success in the 1960s. they had a dozen number one songs. diana ross just posted about wilson's death on twitter saying, quote, my condolences to mary's family. i am reminded that each day is a gift. i have so many wonderful memories of our time together. the supremes will live on in our hearts. ♪ baby love my baby love been missing you miss kissin you ♪ ♪ instead of breaking up ♪ >> her longtime publicist said she died suddenly at her home in nevada yesterday. in a statement, motown founder barry gordie says wilson was a trail blazer, a diva and will be deeply missed. mary wilson was 76 years old. let's just listen to more music, okay, john? ♪ ♪ baby, baby don't leave me ♪ ♪ please don't leave me ♪ ♪ but if you feel like i feel please let me know that it's real ♪ ♪ you're just too good to be true ♪ ♪ can't take my eyes off of you ♪ house democrats making their final preparations in a case expected to vividly detail the insurrection at the capitol last month. >> it's beyond's senate's constitutional authority to have an impeachment proceeding. >> there must be truth and accountability if we're going to move forward, heal and bring our country together once again. >> president biden focused primarily on one thing -- covid relief. >> things are better, but, baby, taint over yet. not but a long shot. >> the continued proliferation of variants remains of great concern. >> we have

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