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Transcripts For CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20240711

Minority leader and a man who says nothing casually, has weighed in on qanon supporter Marjorie Taylor greene. What he said could matter a lot. Well tell you in just a few moments. First, we begin tomorrow morning just in time for Groundhog Day house Impeachment Managers will file papers laying out their case in the second trial of the 45th president of the United States. And in keeping with the spirit of the day, there is a lot what hes accused of as well as how hes conducting his defense that will bring a sense of deja vu. Especially when it comes to how much of the wrong doing played out in plain view. Sources familiar with the matter say the Impeachment Team tends to say the former president s incitement was intentional, something we heard over and over again. Make no mistake, this election was stolen from you, from me, and from the country. Its going to be a very hard thing to concede because we know there was massive fraud. This was not a close election. You know, i say sometimes jokingly but there is no joke about it. It was a rigged election. You look at the different states, the election was totally rigged. There is no way we lost georgia. Theres no way. Ive been in two elections and i won them both and the second one i won much bigger than the first. Okay . Because the only way were going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that. Frankly, we did win this election. So in addition to documenting that, the prosecution is expected to lean heavily on video from the attack itself and the president s speech that preceded it. [ bleep ]. Lets go lets go [ bleep ]. You back off you back off move move its our house this is footage of the mobs earliest push to get inside the capitol. In it you see insurrectionists walking up to a barricade resulting, authorities say, in the serious injury of a Capitol Police officer who suffered a serious concussion in the assault. You see the man taking off the jacket, reversing his hat. The video is evidence in the case against a man accused of knocking over the officer. Then according to court papers, he picked the officer up off the ground saying, quote, we dont have to hurt you, why are you standing in our way . As you know, five people died in the assault. Two more Police Officers later died by suicide. Numerous officers suffered serious injuries. A suspect is still at large in what might have been two mass casualty pipe bombings. As bad as the day was, it might have even been worse. And the threat of right wing violence has not subsided. Then of course, there is this with a week to go until the trial, the president changed his legal team. Apparently because the prior team would not do what he wants which is to argue that he won the election. In other words, they left in part because the former president wanted them to lie on his behalf, something no attorney is actually permitted to do. Let me put it another way. The president lost his legal team in part because they wouldnt argue in the Impeachment Trial the very thing that incited the insurrection the former president was impeached for. Yeah. Hes not a very good client. He doesnt take advice very well. Hes unpredictable and he doesnt pay his bills. So its not surprising that hes had trouble here maintaining counsel. Its not surprising that hes asking them to violate their rules of Professional Ethics By Making Factually Unfounded arguments such as that he won the election and its actually not surprising that a week before the Impeachment Trial he had to go out and find another pair of lawyers. Jason miller, a spokesman for the expresident , rejects the notion he wants to argue election fraud, telling the Washington Post its, quote, fake news. Consider the source there and take it for what its worth. As for the new attorneys, bruce castor on the left is a former pennsylvania District Attorney best known perhaps for deciding not to charge bill cosby with sexual assault. He was later sued for defamation by one of cosbys victims. The two sides later settled that case. The other lawyer david schoen has represented roger stone and says he was in talks with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein shortly before his death was shown to be suicide. The reason i say i dont believe it was suicide is from my interaction with him that day. The purpose of asking me to come there that day over the past previous couple weeks was to ask me to take over his defense. We came to an agreement during the course of that discussion, we met for five hours on august 1st. I said that i want to meet with his team first to see how they felt about that and then we would go forward. We mapped out a strategy going forward. So he was upbeat . He was upbeat and excited about going forward. The defense will present its brief tomorrow as well so we can learn whether in fact they will attempt to frame it the way the former president is said to want it. If they do, welcome back to Groundhog Day because trying to justify unjustifiable conduct was part and parcel of the first goaround. The president asking a Foreign Government to help smear his rival, remember that, and getting away with it. After which this president far from learning his lesson as senator Susan Collins once said he would does the unjustifiable, yet again, because the only lessons hes learned is that republicans will not hold him accountable. This time instead of trying and failing to recruit ukraines president , he recruits a domestic mob. Hand, meet hot stove, yet again. And dont forget, this isnt really his second time, its his third. He made the ukraine call a day after mueller testified essentially taking him off the hook in the russia scandal. So queue up the sunny and cher, campers, rise and shine. Senator blumenthal, what was it that he was trying to push the big lie as his defense, and thats reportedly why the entire legal team quit this weekend. That lie is what led him to being impeached a second time. Anderson, thanks for having me. What it says to me is that he is going down a path of falsehood, the big lie, which has been rejected by more than 60 court decisions. Its been repudiated by many of his former allies and it has been absolutely rejected by lawyers who were told to argue it in court because they would be violating their oath to the court, which is that they would tell the truth, not deliberately lie. And tells me also that this trial, he is seeking to turn into some kind of vindication of that big lie, which is ultimately doomed. Youve said about impeachment, youve said trials have an enormous impact on public awareness. How concerned are you if president trumps defense is continuing to lie about the election, could that lead to more chaos, or potentially even violence . I think that the big lie, the falsehoods, the deliberate kinds of deception that he is trying to foist on the senate and the country will be even more abhorrent as a result of this trial. Because what will be shown is the graphic consequences of his inciting a mob to assault the capitol, try to stop vote counting, and even assassinate public officials. These injuries, which included stabbings, trauma, concussions, spinal breaks, and of course, loss of an eye in the case of one Capitol Policeman, five deaths, are the kind of really repugnant consequences of his action that i think will have an effect on the country and not just that they resulted from his inciting this assault, but they were the result of deliberate and intentional and purposeful action on his part, which i think will be the proof most powerful in this trial. It will be his own words. It will be a short trial. It will be an open and shut and pretty straightforward set of evidence consisting of what he said in his tweets before to invite and implore these people to come to the capitol. What he said afterward, as he sat in the oval office not lifting a finger when his own Vice President was under threat and his calling them special people. I think this evidence will be very powerful to the american people, far from elevating or glorifying that mob attack. Do you think it will really change, though, any minds . Certainly the American Public has seen a lot of these videos already. A lot of the videos have been shown to the American Public. I think putting them all together is going to be powerful but i think the entire Public Record is an airing of the truth against his lies no matter what his lawyers argue about the constitutional impediments to a public official being tried once out of office, clearly, that constitutional argument is flat wrong. But i think it would be wiser for him to rely on it simply as a trial tactic than in fact go through these falsehoods rejected already by courts and ultimately further discrediting him. Senator blumenthal, appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. I want to get perspective from john dean and gloria borger. Gloria, you have new information about what we can expect from the new president s legal team in what theyre filing tomorrow. Right, i have some information from a source who is familiar with their brief and he said to me that the focus is going to be on what he called the unconstitutional nature of the democrats impeachment witch hunt. So he said there will be four to five major themes, the unconstitutional nature will be the biggest, but when i asked about the rigged election and where thats going to be on there, the response was that will not be the, quote, focal point. So its clear its going to be mentioned. I guarantee you once its mentioned, it becomes a focal point for the democrats. But the main argument is their contention that its unconstitutional to try a former president . Thats right, and you cant convict a former president when hes out of office but if that were the case, then why would he have lost his other attorneys, because thats what butch bowers, the attorney who left was presenting was planning on presenting and, you know, butch bowers, i was reporting a piece on him, by all accounts is an ethics lawyer respected on both sides of the aisle. Somebody who does his homework, is not a show horse, and what i was told over the weekend was that the situation had become untenable. We dont know exactly what those conversations were, but there is other reporting that says that in fact, bowers did not want to talk about the election and the fact that donald trump believes he won. John, i mean, even if for the attorneys to argue that, you know, a former president cannot be impeached, thats certainly from a just from, you know, a legal standpoint even though many legal scholars say thats ridiculous, it does give cover to, you know, republican senators who dont want to have to decide whether or not to impeach the president. Its an easy out to say, oh, well, you know what . It doesnt matter the merits of it, we cant do it. Its unconstitutional. But even if part of the defense is that the election was stolen from him, how can you use lies as a foundation for a defense . Thats difficult. Your point, anderson, that the constitutional or unconstitutional argument is a good cover. You can argue an oxford comma is unconstitutional. That doesnt make it so but it gives somebody an argument which deflects from the more serious matter at issue, the underlying issues. What is going on . What is the incitement of the riot, and how you can argue that because he believes or wants to perpetuate the big lie that he actually had the election stolen from him is just not logical. Its easy to understand why his last team of lawyers resigned because he was probably pushing and insisting that this be the thrust of their argument and they knew it, one, it was not a good argument, two, its not true. And the house managers can decimate this argument. That might be a healthy thing to happen for the american people. So in a way im hopeful they do argue this because i think they can put it to rest. John, very briefly, what is an oxford comma . Is that different from a regular comma . Thats a whole other program, anderson. Ill go look it up afterwards. Part of my ignorance. Gloria, the wild card is the former president , what else do you know about what he wants to do and what his advisers are saying to him . Yeah, ive been asking around and when i ask, well, does donald trump want to testify, do you expect him to testify, the answer is not that i know of. Which is one way of saying anything can happen with donald trump but not many people, if any, are advising him to do that. You know, again, with trump, even people who are close to him dont like to predict what hes going to want to do. Gloria borger, john dean, appreciate it. Up next, the Breaking News, Mitch Mcconnell speaking out against the congresswoman Conspiracy Theorist that could face sanctions for what shes said. What he compared his ideas to what he come back. The president wants to go big and republicans bring him a trimmed down plan and call for unity. Well bring you their latest on the meeting at the white house which wrapped up a short time ago. Orative skin therapy. 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Get 24 7 care over video chat at no extra cost with our app. And request prescriptions in just a few taps. And with all that, you can spend more time enjoying life. Thats care for who you want to be. Breaking news from capitol hill. Mitch mcconnell unleashed a scathing attack on qanon supporter Marjorie Taylor greene. Mcconnell said, and i quote, loony lies and Conspiracy Theories are cancer for our Republican Party and our country. Somebody who suggested no airplane hit the Pentagon On 9 11. That horrifying School Shootings were prestaged and the clintons crashed jfk juniors airplane is not living in reality. This has nothing to do with the challenges facing American Families or debates on substance that can strengthen our party. Sources tell cnn greene could meet as early as tomorrow evening with Kevin Mccarthy as democrats are demanding she be removed from her Committee Assignments for an array of unhinged statements. Last weeks cnns kfile uncovered ms. Greenes support for executing democratic politicians before being elected to office. And she agreed the School Shooting in parkland, florida, was a false flag operation. Coming up, ill talk with the mother of one of the victims of the shooting who had a private conversation with greene. Well get her take. This afternoon, perhaps wary of potential discipline, the congresswoman reversed course in an interview with the conservative one American News network. These are not red flag incidents. They are not fake. And its terrible the loss that these families go through and their friends, as well. It should never happen and it doesnt have to happen if we would protect our children properly. She said red flag incidents as opposed to false flag. Im not sure if there is any significance to that. Ryan nobles joins us now. Has the congresswoman responded to Senate Minority leader mcconnells rebuke . She did, she tweeted out almost immediately as that statement was released and said quote, the real cancer for the Republican Party is weak republicans who only know how to lose gracefully. This is why we are losing our country. And anderson, i have to admit over the next couple of days, she is hoping to stay on these committees that shes currently sitting on in the house of representatives, you would expect to see some level of contrition from her because of these past statements. If this statement is any indication, thats likely not to happen. I mean, it is, you know, suddenly shes under all this pressure so now she has come forward and says that, oh, you know, it wasnt a, what she called a red flag operation. I dont know what that means. False flag is the term that she had used in the past. Where does Everything Stand In The House as far as holding congresswoman greene accountable for her past statements . Normally, if a member of congress is going to be removed from their committee, the leader of their party makes the decision. But at this point, the House Minority leader Kevin Mccarthy has not shown an inclination to make the move. So now House Democrats are moving forward in doing it and in order to do that, they have to bring a resolution to the house floor to make that happen. That process begins on wednesday where the rules committee will meet to officially take up that resolution. Now, congresswoman greene will have the opportunity to appear before the committee at that time to make the

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