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from the trump campaign you served in the vice president's office and of course, your reaction to this? we saw how vice president pence was treated, particularly in the end are you surprised so many people are raising their hands now you know, i think political craven, nas, and opportunistic people that, that's what they're gonna do. >> and i think that they think they go into this and i think especially in trump's circles, they go into an and said, it'll be different for me. it'll be different than it was for mike pence. well, guess what? mike pence was extremely loyal to trump, i would say even to his detriment. i mean, i know his characters edge man anyway. yeah. and then at the end, his most loyal soldier, what does he do? >> he completely under the bus and puts him and his family and all these other people at risk. and doesn't care at all about it, right? and so i think i think it's pathetic to see some of these people angling. i think some of those people whose pictures you just thought there could be credible voices they could be credible voices and creating a different path