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>> i'm not surprised and i think this is the appropriate thing for him to listen whatever republicans doing republicans, trump world are trying to paint this as a political persecution. that is managed and directed by biden. this is biden trying to put his opponent in jail. that's all a lie. we all know that this is not a federal case. this is a state case and a joe biden had absolutely nothing to do with it. but if he starts playing into that using his official role, right. he's not doing it from the presidential podium. he's not doing it from the east room. he's not doing unimpressed conferences. he's doing it behind closed doors in front of donors. he's giving them the red meat that they want. i think it's the right and appropriate place for him to do it. he's walking a fine line. >> bacardi, do you think that that's a distinction right there? and would you do more i mean, he's technically and how a convicted felon until after there's an entry of judgment when there's a sentencing hat. >> so beyond that technicality,