i don't see how you actually make a viable case in the democratic primary, one where you can potentially win which i don't think he can at all, and that's safe to say, and say that you support a national ban on abortion at 12 weeks, at three months. this is such a salient issue for democratic voters, and even independent voters. the voters that republicans or an independent candidate is going to try to have to win over if they want to make a viable case. all the voters that i've checked in with in these swing states that are maybe on the fence, they say that abortion is one of their biggest issues. >> especially since roe v. wade was overturned, which is one of the reasons it was so staggering that he didn't seem to have a position articulated at the time. this is kind of important to democratic voters. >> i kind of welcomed it. it's been much commented upon on my side of the aisle about how republicans don't have the vocabulary to talk about abortion because they can hide