Was persecuted here. The following agreement is very important in 2016, a draft expanded agreement was created between the republic of poland and ukraine in the militaryeconomic sphere. This agreement seemed like a dead act; it was only ratified in 2018, in 2019 became legally binding. It was signed by the president , taking into account us interests in ukraine and preparations for war and confrontation with the russian federation. That is, already in 2016 it was said that in the event of a conflict in ukraine, the poles must provide weapons, medicine, fuel, and so on, that is , no matter what war starts in ukraine, even outside the nato structure, this would mean that the polish people become a party conflict and the side supporting ukraine , including. In training, so thats exactly what what is happening today was planned in advance and no matter which minister in poland, which prime minister, deputy prime minister, everything will be as the United States, its most faithful ally, wishes, coupled with the fact that we are assigned the position of a trojan horse in the socalled European Union , because where it was not in the interests of the European Union, the poles, the polish government was always on the side of the americans. Polish zhol became a new american. Does washington need peace in the slavic world, in the postsoviet space, does it ultimately need victory . Ukraine . No, chaos is important, and this is not only my opinion as a belarusian journalist, but as a polish politician, which means that belarusians and poles have something to talk about, if the weight of american mediators is there, there is something to talk about with ukraine, but without american puppeteers. And i propose to look at a short survey from the streets of polish cities, what ordinary poles think and what they want from their government. I hope that the left and the civil platform should win, but there is a small problem, the opposition must have at least 280 votes, to reject the president ial veto because he is not a man of honor, which means the president also needs to be changed. There must be a president who, you know, is respected. Finally, we will have a normal country, and what has happened so far is one big failure, i had the opportunity to meet with the pisovs several times on work matters, and i will tell you this, an intellectual and ethical tragedy, as regards the socalled national referendum, less than 40 of voters took part in it. Which means that that same popular referendum was not so popular and this is an indicator of real support for the policies of the ruling party of law and justice, the electorate was allowed not to take ballots for voting in the referendum if they did not want to vote, people took advantage of this opportunity, but will peace and the new government hear this protest or will it remain deaf as always , after all, it also depends on polish society, or is it Something Else . Yaxenya lebedeva was with you until we meet in the next program. Hello, there is one project on the evening broadcast in belarus before midnight and today we have visiting political scientist pyotr petrovsky. Hello, pyotr sergeevich. And over the past week, we have been very closely following corruption scandals in sports. Even protests in neighboring poland, now the preelection period is over, elections have taken place, parliamentary ones, of course, you , as a person deeply immersed in the polish agenda, i cant help but ask, next, what about the plans to build up the military contingent our borders, or maybe this is just a populist election story to cover up ones own internal problems and now the newly elected one. As we see from the results , will the leading Ruling Party Still switch to a constructive dialogue , cooperation and give up all these loud statements about building up the military contingent or not . Firstly, we need to start with what the election result is, so what . And which one, because tusp shouts that they won, they are now forming a coalition out of three parties, kochinsky shouts that they won, that peace has gained more numbers. Votes, so i can say that indeed, no matter how anyone i said, i immediately told everyone this and predicted that it was pis who would win, there are some reasons, but the main thing is that not a single party can independently create a government, form, yes, pis lacks, roughly speaking, 31 seats, confederation, refused to go into a coalition with them and generally performed, as it turned out, quite poorly in terms of results, although 2 months ago it had a rating of 15 , received about seven, which remains for the dog, as a large party, to negotiate with a third force, a third way, chechadroga , a batch of firebrands, followed by there is a group of companies kulchik, that is, it is a Management Company behind german capital in poland, thats the main question, he declared himself that they would go into a coalition with a civil platform, but in order to create a coalition with a civil platform, there must be three parties, that is civic platform, third way and new left, the question arises from the same firebrand. Should he go and share portfolios with two parties, or should he go and negotiate on more favorable terms with a writeoff, and share portfolios with one party, this is the division that is happening now, its result will be a new, or a new government, or we should not discard the situation when no government will be formed at all, that is , reelections, and this. Scenario has weight, because huge contradictions, however, should be recognized that there is a socalled deep poland that votes on record, why . Because, firstly, tusk was already in power, he had already shown before that he could, privatization, lower taxes, winding down. And peace, why they were voted for in the fifteenth year, because they just said that they would return the old retirement age, they would increase pensions, they would ensure an increase in wages, that is, typically, if we discard Foreign Policy, all of peaces domestic political promises are, in principle, Alexander Lukashenkos program. In fact, you even said that they nationalized some horses; in such a soft way, the nationalization of the largest concerns occurs. For example orlin, they annexed smaller state concerns and the state share in the orlin company, it becomes higher and higher and higher, they in the main flagships of production in poland appointed their own party directors, and we can even talk about the formation of the socalled pis partyocracy, moreover, if we look at the main, main main aspects of propaganda. Before the elections, then we will see the next moment, this is a Harsh Criticism of privatization, that in history after the eightyninth year in poland, this is a paradox, balcerowicz was the face of the polish model, yes, but now she has become not the face of the polish model, but the shame of the polish model, according to on television they accused balcerowovich, levvandovsky and tusk of all mortal sins. It was based on the fact that it was necessary to preserve collective farms, pgrs in polish, it was necessary to preserve state enterprises , specific examples were shown there, that is , it turned out that the correct internal policy of poland would actually be. Not a campaign for privatization, yes , no, the sale of state property, but the belarusian model of development, read, those 3637 who voted for the pis, they voted for this picture, look, here many say, here we are now again, my question is, yes, about the fact that the military contingent is being built up, but about the fact that there are some loud populist slogans about claims for. I dont agree that there are some slogans about the western ukraine, western belarus are present, because in the twentieth year there was a discussion among polish mainstream experts about what belarus should do and the option of occupying part of belarus, and either the whole belarus was immediately rejected by them for one simple reason, as paradoxical as it may sound, the poles did not. Carry some social responsibility, it is beneficial for them to install a puppet, fake government, tikhanovsky there, someone else there, yes, so as not to bear responsibility, so that we fight with russia with our own hands, without responsibility, without any responsibility, this is the first point , the second point is to. Not have a large border with russia, that is, a buffer zone and the third important point is that we should be a source of cheap labor and a market for polish consumer goods, like the ukrainians are now, yes, so this is theirs fundamental the task was always to be the watchers of the americans in eastern europe, to sell these services to the americans and make money from this buffer zone. In the form of the baltic states, belarus and ukraine, with moldova. Yes, poland is being militarized, but we should not forget the result that the poles gave a huge amount of weapons to the kiev regime, for example, half of their tanks. They gave away a huge number of planes and other things, yes, it turns out that they exposed their reserves, now they are trying to purchase a huge amount of american equipment, before everything, and at a not very cheap price. Many polish experts criticize peace for the fact that they entered into such crazy contracts for abrams, hymers, and other weapons. In short, we shouldnt be here anyway. They want to be the watchers of america throughout europe, that is, to replace, by and large, the germans. In germany, let me remind you, there is the main military base, the american one in ramstein , there are nuclear weapons, and if we look at what peace offers, he says, why do we need it in germany, why do you need it in germany, americans are doing everything, come on. Well set up a command post for american troops in europe in poland, well move all american troops from germany to poland, all nuclear ones, to join. For which, at a minimum, in order to increase its significance and status in the European Union and in general on the continent to become the main main american force, the second point is simply trivial to get a little money for this, this is, in short, the euroatlantic dream of part of the polish elites and the difference between pisa and tusk is that. Europe, but at the same time about the western, about the american, that is, he is ready to strictly fulfill the role that the Us Democratic administration has prepared for him and brussels, peace, wants to bargain and get himself a more attractive role, in their opinion, in this regard, will he succeed . Them, i dont think they will succeed, firstly, because. Peace has always focused on the republicans, and not on the Democratic Party, and the Democratic Party demonstrated before the elections and in general that they dont really like peace, moreover, if we remember bidens election campaign, then biden he didnt shy away from saying that there are three or four dictatorial regimes in europe, except for belarus. He included hungary and pisovskaya poland, so mr. Duda on bidens list found himself in the same space along with the president of belarus and russia. Another question arises here. What should we do . Now, on the one hand, we must strengthen our combat capability and not think, peace will come, not peace, there is a civilian platform, no. On the other hand, we should not wait and not talk about poland with americans or europeans, no, why, because it was a failed strategy of russia, when it did not look at poland, it believed that they, that russia and moscow should come to an agreement with washington, poland would calm down on its own, the americans would twist its arms, well , our task is that poland was a more sovereign, independent player , so that it would not proceed from any american or brussels interests, but from its own national interests, and this interest is very simple, maximizing benefits from its geopolitical and geoeconomic, geographical location, that is, transit, open borders, a bridge between the west and the east, in the end, the transition from this onevector, neutered Foreign Policy that exists in poland today to a multivector policy, well, for example, the forum is a search for a way, but here is one search , one way, hungarian, viktor orban, the representative of hungary will be there, and this is, perhaps, the only european politician, in principle , who will fly there, and why didnt the poles fly, so they are itching and want it, that is, the americans they twist their arms here, and we see that despite polish national interests, the americans told the poles that telecommunications in a chinese company, related to this, first of all , should not be present in huuai, the chinese should not be allowed to implement 5g technology on polish territory, it is necessary to limit, including some credit lines, china on infrastructure projects, on projects for modernizing the polish economy and transfer all this to secondary sectors that are not strategically important, that is, the americans, why. Are they doing this, they staked out poland for themselves and are very strictly afraid that poland will have the instruments of a sovereign policy of its own, which is why the americans will build a Nuclear Power plant, which, by the way, is three times more expensive than the belarusian one, the second point is that this Nuclear Power plant is a carbon copy of chinese technology, which will be built by the americans, listen, how did the americans end up on. What, what hook did they hook the poles on, that they blackmail them like that, order them, and the main hook here is polands external debt to the United States of america, which there is many times greater than the gdp of the total poland, but the second thing on our agenda was the issue of a referendum on migration, migrants, this is generally interesting, and it didnt take place, but thats just what i mean, the social survey was independent, this means, according to his data, 50 poles were for the demolition of this fence, for our crossborder trade to be restored in belarus, and 67 of poles on this issue allegedly said that we do not believe that. Why was this taking place . Referendum, the purpose of the referendum was maximum mobilization of the peace electorate, this is the minimum goal, and the maximum goal is the transformation of parliamentary elections into a referendum on peaces confidence, this was generally peaces dream that. Look, you come, you vote for the referendum items, you come, that means you also vote for peace, but what can i say, the minimum goal was achieved, the largest voter turnout since 1989, about 73 , thats enough big in poland, they achieved this goal, mobilized the entire electorate, wrote everything they could, they didnt achieve the maximum goal reached. Why because 73 came to participate in the elections, only 40 took part in the referendum, that is, representatives of the remaining parties did not participate in the referendum, they boycotted it, and the referendum is not binding, now belarus and the mission of belarus here is for us to be polands gateway to the collective east. So that we become the force that would help the poles to become sovereign, but the poles must take the first step, because they are the ones who lowered our level of relations, we even have an ambassador there is no poland, thank you very much, but on this inspiring positive note we can end, thank you for your attention, it was a project to make it before midnight, goodbye. When you are in nature, it seems that the world has plunged into silence, all the sounds of bustle. And only the song of the wind specially caresses the ear, so that you look back and realize how quiet it is all around, whenever possible , go into nature, go to forests, fields, rivers, lakes, breathe fresh air, admire. The clear sky, listen to the birds singing, leaves rustle, smile at the sun, enjoy, notice this beauty around you, in harmony, with nature belarus 24. Hello, you are watching the program say dont be silent, in the studio victoria popova and tatyana sherbina. And our guest today is journalist grigory azoryonok. Good afternoon, gregory, i wish you good health. You are growing as a professional journalist and now you can not only be seen and heard. In the belarusian information field, but in the russian one, and not as an expert or invited guest, but as the author of his own program on the soloviev tv channel, there is some difference in work, on the russian tv channel and on the belarusian one, they would have said before that there is a more free style there, but it seems to me that now belarusian journalism has already grown a lot from the childish panties that we had before 2020, and now we too can do something get. But nevertheless, the professional level there is still very high, and the attitude towards work, uh, is one that should always be learned, therefore, well, you always need to grow, you said it correctly, otherwise im only growing further, i need to go higher, well thats what you are have you observed, you can come to alexander asenko and say, dear leader , there is such an idea, i spied something in the russian media, lets transfer it to our television, and this basically happens every day . We are always in a creative search, in a creative union, the trouble is if you say, well, thats it, im a professional, i can do everything and in general, girl, bring me some coffee, that s all, thats khan right away, it can be written off, thrown away, and thats what he said not me, it was said by Oleg Pavlovich tabakov, a great artist, if you dont its scary to go on stage, even though youre already a threefive times honored national, if you dont have this jitters before going on stage, then thats it, youre a bad actor, but is there something from the belarusian experience that we could convey . Well, firstly, this does not apply to the team with which i work, because Vladimir Rudolfovich has never been in the clouds, he is in the donbass every week, he knows the real situation, and he works, well, it s not to his liking, this one his tough style, his concrete statement, his thoughts and pains about the fate of the fatherland, but some other editorial offices and studios still surprise with their infantilism, i would say so, until the ruble shell arrived, some think that this is all very far away, sometimes with Vladimir Rudolfovich, grigory, you seem to speak in such already in birds language, yes, very professional vocabulary, that is, if you missed the first few episodes, what it was about, then its very difficult to immerse yourself in the context, so you re not working for the viewer, or is it the viewer after all, you know, when we go out with our mischi