Zelensky, but is not yet ready to lead the way towards peace. My history, nature, culture, faith, people, wickedness, you will never forget once and never forget, everything here is right for us. Remove the hell of the garadian metusna here. And your strength, go ahead, so that you can do it yourself, volunteer and stop the hell of the moment, and as a result of the situation, skin damage due to nature. Dzikaya, oldtimer, svyaya yelnya, belarus nathnyaya. Hello, you are watching the program say dont be silent, in the studio of victoria popova and tatyana sherbina. And our guest today is political expert, candidate of economic sciences, Dmitry Shvaiba. Good afternoon. Hello. Hello, dmitry nikolaevich, lets introduce you to our viewers even more fully. You are also the chairman of the minsk regional organization, the Belarusian Trade Union of workers in the chemical, mining and oil industries. Well thats why lets announce the following news the polish Chemical Plant for the production of nitrogen fertilizers is incurring huge losses, and yet no sanctions were introduced against poland. From belarusian enterprises, the chemical profile, in fact , which is quite close to you, how do we cope with this sanction pressure, with these challenges and how does the team feel in these conditions . In fact, nitrogen production is very indicative in this matter, since up to 90 of the cost in nitrogen production is the cost of gas, and not only in poland such problems, before we have heard that there are similar. Problems at the enterprises of the republic of lithuania, the Chemical Industry in germany is facing a similar problem today, it has already lost 20 last year, but it is expected that they will lose 16 this year, this is the question that you asked whether sanctions were introduced against them, in fact they imposed sanctions against themselves, cutting themselves off from cheap hydrocarbons from the east, then due to what they earned these surpluses, then due to. What they demonstrated their peculiar, socalled economic miracle, today this is the moment of truth, in fact, when you can see what they are worth, but they themselves did not actually abandon russian resources, they blew up, they blew up the northern streams and have nowhere else to go, by the way, what about this is what greta tumberg thinks, i wanted to know, since it happened not far from her home country, but here there is silence. And this is such a rhetorical question, but you know, here it is necessary to separate two aspects germany, in my opinion, of course, was forced into such a confrontational economic rivalry with the Russian Federation, poland was quite willing to do this, as was the lithuanian republic , this is not the position of the population, this is the position of the political elites, the position of the population, fortunately we will find out in midoctober, there at the next elections in poland. Well, the population will speak out about what is happening regarding their future jobs, but in general this is a problem for europe as a whole, this is the real sector of the economy, these are wages, if you want guarantees, then collective agreements, tariff agreements, whatever they call it you want to call them, but this is the formation of income, the middle class, which forms the political position of its political need, thus, if we say that these systems are democratic. Then it forms a certain Management System for the next electoral period, so i get the impression that by their actions , whether unilateral or multilateral, they are destroying their economic component, actually eating it up, and are implementing it indirectly or directly, realizing, for sure, this is the plan of the United States by increase dependence of the countries of the European Union on the United States, that is, it is already beneficial for the United States that these countries move in the direction of its interests, and the current situation, new opportunities present to the current situation, here is the replacement of russian cheap gas with american liquefied, but more expensive, of course, this well, such a serious success for the United States, for qatar, which did not have any strategic plans, but nevertheless, today has fabulous profits from this situation, of course, for norway, which has this serious carbohydrate resource, well, actually did not join the European Union, because it is selfsufficient from a financial point of view, and today it has a fabulous rent in the current situation, those very specific enterprises are facing problems, polish, not lithuanian, german, or some other ones, they certainly lived off of cheap hydrocarbons from the east, but it is no secret that , for example, germany purchased Belarusian Oil with great pleasure, it was beneficial for germany, it was also beneficial for belarus, due to the structure of the Belarusian Oil, they not only provided themselves with light petroleum products, they provided themselves with products for the petrochemical complex, today they are deprived of this on their own initiative, well, you said that you forced them, well, they present themselves as very important, selfsufficient people and continue insist on the rhetoric that this is their independent decision, while the explosion of the gas pipeline itself is unprecedented, that is , this is the International Infrastructure of the Energy System that has been destroyed, and imagine today, it is unclear by whom, it is unclear with what technological resources, at what point germany fell into such dependence, if you mean dependence on the United States, in my opinion, this happened literally on may 9, 1945, when, in fact , under the pretext of allied relations, this is the American Occupation zone. Began to significantly shape the economic standards of the United States, here the marshall plan, technical reequipment of a huge number of specialists who worked in the real sector of the economy, who worked, but if you want, in the special services they carried out the ideas of such americanism in that part of germany, which actually turned out to be in their sovereign use, and here , of course, are american bases, you need to remember that until now. The largest american base in europe is located in germany, well, as i say, there are Even Nuclear Weapons there, this is a question of discussion, recently, when belarus, well, thought about it and implemented a plan to move tactical Nuclear Weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus, then there it has been happening for the last 80 years, well, the most important and invisible thing, virtually all the information. Resources of the federal republic of germany, which represent at least some interest and power, today they either indirectly or directly belong to capital the United States of america, that is, the entire information agenda that is set in the usa, in germany , accordingly, it is united, it is carried out by such a united front, in this sense, in western germany, for example, those who have doubts about it. Uh current actions regarding there is virtually no russia in relation to belarus, the position of eastern germany is much more interesting, where these people for a long time, well , built some kind of unified coordinate system with us, even if it was such a socialistcommunist system, but the most important thing is that we were in a certain mental information space, thats where the most interesting processes take place, there are very specific reactions from voters, there are such, well, maybe in the form of such good german festivals in small towns that show interest to russian culture, an interest in not severing relations between modern russia and modern germany, that is, in that part of germany that was not subject to this unprecedented information impact, for which i was actually at the festival and saw it. From eastern germany a performance on a modern theme and there they broadcast nostalgia for the soviet union , they are no longer ashamed of this, and fortunately we still have many soberminded friends in this region who speak out in support for many processes that are taking place in belarus, in russia, but the problem is different, these people do not have influence on the political leadership, on political decisions, they are pushed aside today. This is not the establishment and never will be. In the twentieth year in belarus it was possible to stop, yes, the shutdown of enterprises that our opponents insisted on; in fact , the example of eastern germany is the most striking here, when with their departure from part of the socialist bloc, yes, they lost a huge part of their plants and factories and work, respectively, but the same thing awaited us, do you think, that s when we survived, the outflow still happened , you know, the shortage of labor resources in an economy that is developing, surplus, it is always present, it must be said that for an entire segment of the belarusian industry today there is a serious demand for goods, and accordingly, a serious demand for labor resources, this is due primarily to the new niches that have opened up in the Russian Federation, the increased demand for industrial goods that has arisen, well, for example, in the Mechanical Engineering and militaryindustrial complex, it must be said that the chemical , petrochemical, and economic segments are very actively looking for themselves in the newly formed russian market, because it is changing very well, it is clear that there is a serious demand for labor resources, in this. In the sense that a deficit is just an indicator of some kind of economic growth, i sincerely want to believe that all those who were in demand were in their jobs, all those who received decent wages, all those who felt worthy in terms of status citizens of the republic of belarus, but they actually didnt have time to participate in any street demonstrations, for example, at 12 00 in the afternoon, so i also observed all these then. So strange, like a person who spent his working life i started at a factory, i think, well, thats how lucky people are, how is it even possible at 12 oclock, but if you worked well there, part one. Somewhere in the factory canteen, but nevertheless some other processes were taking place, that is , the question is who these people were when they started there to dig into some of these epicentries that arise, who these people are, it turns out that they are often simply unrelated or conducting such conscious provocative activities, but this is a question beyond what is said to be my competence, but i. Like this i perceive to myself that if a person is in demand, then if he has the resource for complete physical and moral restoration to work, moreover, he has some kind of rent in order to have quality rest, in order to participate in some kind of even more life, besides the fact that this is work, hes not even really interested in the political process , at that time the trade union, how it acted, did people turn to you, or did you go out to people yourself, you know, for me personally in 1920. More than once i had to go out to people in a variety of situations , i even remember this time with such a certain , you know, inner trembling, because it suddenly seemed to me, due to those modern Information Technologies that were used against us, but i same private citizen of society, this internet puts pressure on me with the same pressure as on others, suddenly. It seemed that some part of the people could exchange the prospect of a successfully operating enterprise, as a point of growth for their prospects, their family, their children, for some illusory slogans and some illusory quasileaders, who in fact it is not clear whether they exist, not exist, what is their political platform, what is their idea, and i personally threw all my. Opportunities, resources, competencies to ensure that such a phenomenon does not happen in belarus was, people heard us and supported us in our action, supported us in ensuring that our country develops stably, develops sustainably, through a pragmatic perception of the activities of economic entities, their own enterprises, this cell of society, as a labor collective, unique, specific, but in that , including the cells, that is, you, when you spoke to groups, you felt unanimity, and with people who wanted to retain jobs and development, evolution, i built, in that difficult period, like me my work seemed different, i only met with those who did not show unanimity, talked calmly with them , presented my arguments, explained my position, and what they said, im interested in what they guide through information resources, through some kind of propaganda, maybe through leaflets such as this, gave them the illusion of a strike at an enterprise not due to economic demands, well, nothing like that exists either in civilized europe, much less in the United States of america, that is, this message is. By social requirements, it is deeply embedded, in such a small part of our labor collectives, these people suddenly felt that they had the right to this, we began to explain to them the basic legal guarantees, why this is impossible, the national aspect, the international aspect, in ultimately, we were heard, this can be stated today, the lions share of those people who had such. They have changed it today, well, i sincerely hope that they did not hide, did not keep silent, by the way speaking, i remember once my internship, well, in fact, at the beginning of 2000, the federal republic of germany through the trade unions, when they were just showing how strikes are carried out, germany, well, germany, i must say that it is famous for these things, the legislation there is very well developed, in the conditions when the tariff ends. Agreements, trade unions have a real opportunity to go on strike, to defend their rights, so they show that we would like to increase wages there by 5 , the employer says that maybe by three, thats when we went to the period of a real strike in the Industrial Trade Union, the largest Industrial Trade Union, the federal republic of germany, in my opinion, even the largest Industrial Trade Union in the world, they showed us these diagrams, and when i saw this, excuse me, shalman, which. Uh, was proposed here is some small group of people who imagine themselves to be leaders, under some complacent slogans that this is world experience and almost a practice that is flourishing. In europe, but it was clearly not easy for them to discuss with me, thats why that i didnt tell at all how this was happening, but i really understood what i was talking about, having seen it with my own eyes, these people probably had some disappointment at the stage of our discussions, because well, you can tell some ideologies only to those who may not understand or know anything, its like something new , knowhow, but when you went through it all, worked it out, knew it from start to finish, but it was difficult to discuss, and we even went along the good old path poster art, on such large, very beautiful posters, they printed out all the legislation of the republic of belarus on strike activity, because this is, by and large, the constitutional right of a citizen, about how what is done, for what reasons, under what circumstances, what the mechanism is, and hung it up even at entrances and enterprises. You know, the effect was simply amazing, people came up, as in the good old days, they read, a kind of educational program, and this , of course, cooled down the hottest heads, but we got through it all, after that we became, if you like, a little stronger, a little more experienced yet, but its you spent either among the working population, and they taught you something, these hot days, the most important thing, the conclusion that i made for myself is that stability, sustainable development, the subjectivity of the country, in fact, can also be fragile, so challenges can turn out this way when, in a general state of, for example, some kind of theoretical chaos and misunderstanding , what has been created over generations can be destroyed , yes, we are tired of stability, and suddenly, and we dont receive historical vaccinations. Either, or we get, i heard often, i have already lost one country from representatives of the older generation, i dont want a second one, that is, maybe the immune system works, no, you know, but he is so very personal, here is a person who thinks deeply, who realized those processes, he came to todays challenges or to the challenges of the twentieth year, with this conclusion, but he can count on the fact that in the crowd, in the effect that the crowd creates. There was no need to count on the flash of a wise or sensible thought either, because the crowd its often always a hubbub, its always a crowd, thats who, excuse me, has a thicker throat , whoever screams louder is the one who seems to rise above this crowd, thats why he screams, what sets him in motion, what are his personal goals pursues, in this sense, of course, a big question, in such a kind of slight chaos, even a small crowd, you can miss the truth, we will pause for a while , i remind you, we have a telegram channel, say do not be silent, subscribe, ask questions and suggest guests, we are connections, gold no, no, no, what have you done, they set themselves up, girl, hard, the box, since it didnt burn, it means it must show up, they will find out through it, and you, signorina, have a great future, believe me, you have to go, gold, such a chance happens once in a lifetime, my friend , the italian ambassador in moscow, will solve all the formalities in a week, well, you agree, vanechka, you think that im dead. 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