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Significant moment in talk us through what is going to happen. Talk us through what is going to happen talk us through what is going to happen. For the last couple of hours mps to happen. For the last couple of hours mps have to happen. For the last couple of hours mps have been to happen. For the last couple| of hours mps have been voting in a room and what is known as Committee Corridor in the house of commons, voting opened at one and closed at three so they will be counting those and there are the four candidates who have run through, Robert Jenrick, kemi badenoch, James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat. Whoever gets the lowest number of votes is eliminated and the final three will go through to another and final round of Voting Tomorrow which will whittle it down to the final two candidates, he will go on to the conservative membership where there will be a ballot that will last until The End of the month to pick the eventual winner who gets announced On November the 2nd. It really is all over. And other hustings held earlier, there very last chance to try and convince some of those mps to swing behind them, but that is it, that is them, but that is it, that is the last time they can make their pitch. Todays voting and tomorrows voting. Their pitch. Todays voting and tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk us tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk us through tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk us through which i mean . Talk us through which candidates represent a rich perspective within The Party . Very broadly, they split into two camps. You have got coming from the more centrist part of The Party, Tom Tugendhat and James Cleverly. On the right of The Party you have got Robert Jenrick and kemi badenoch. The voting is under way and has just finished now. We voting is under way and has just finished now. Voting is under way and has just finished now. We are going to take you just finished now. We are going to take you straight just finished now. We are going to take you straight to just finished now. We are going to take you straight to the to take you straight to the studios of radio five live. Borisjohnson will be interviewed by matt charlie. This is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. This is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. Listen this is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. Listen on this is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. Listen on bbc| radio 5 live. Listen on bbc sounds radio 5 live. Listen on bbc sounds. Good radio 5 live. Listen on bbc sounds. Good afternoon, L Radio 5 live. Listen on Bbc L sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i am i sounds. Good afternoon, life i sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i i sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i am i sounds. Good afternoon, life i from westminster as i am every afternoon and joined by our from westminster as i am every afternoon and joined by our friends at the Bbc News friends at the Bbc News channel. My guest this channel. My guest this afternoon needs no afternoon needs no introduction. Everyone knows Who Ee is and has a view on introduction. Everyone knows Who Ee is and has a view on him. He is the hero who him. He is the hero who delivered brexit or the villain delivered brexit or the villain who delivered brexit. He is the who delivered brexit. He is the Hero Or Villain who delivered Hero Or Villain who delivered the Covid Vaccine or The Party the Covid Vaccine or The Party had put us into lockdown. He had put us into lockdown. He broke election records in 2019 broke election records in 2019 be ,. ,. , and break more records when his and break more records when his ministers resigned forcing him ministers resigned forcing him from office. Now he has from office. Now he has released a book amongst any released a book amongst any many other things, the first many other things, the first Prime Minister with the memoir Prime Minister with the memoir to use the word hundreds. To use the word hundreds. Badenoch. I badenoch. I to use the word hundreds. Badenoch to use the word hundreds. Badenoch to use the word hundreds. Badenoch. ,. , badenoch. I am sure other prime to use the word hundreds. Badenoch. ,. , badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have used badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have used the badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have used the word i minister have badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have used badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have used the badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister have used the word i minister have used the Word Minister have used the word chundered. It is a pleasure to chundered. It is a pleasure to be on your show and i empty australian Prime Minister must have used chundered. Have used chundered. British. He didnt have used chundered. British. He didnt say have used chundered. British. He didnt say british. Have used chundered. British. He didnt say british. I have used chundered. British. He didnt say british. I think. May well have. I want to say to our listeners, this is the first Bbc Interview i have done for a long time and certainly the first i have done about this book. I want everybody to know i have not had to of your questions in advance because i was going to do one the other day and it lieu up on the launch pad. I didnt know you are going to ask about chundering. Are going to ask about chunderinu. G ,. , chundering. My experience of readin chundering. My experience of reading your chundering. My experience of reading your book chundering. My experience of reading your book is chundering. My experience of reading your book is even i chundering. My experience of reading your book is even if. Chundering. My experience of reading your book is even if i | reading your book is even if i had sent to the notes, you may not have read of them. Whose fault is that you are sitting here in the studio are not up the road in number ten . You will find the the road in number ten . You will find the answer the road in numberten . 7m. Will find the answer within the pages of my book. The awful truth is a large share of the responsibility is mine, though there were other factors. And what the book is trying to explain is why i believe in the things i have tried to do, my belief in Britain And Belief in a certain type of national independence and standing up for our values abroad like in ukraine. But running through the whole thing is a narrative about levelling up, which is where i think, them amongst others. You played them all in the book. All in the book. Blaine is a tou~h all in the book. Blaine is a tough word. All in the book. Blaine is a tough word. All in the book. Blaine is a tough word. Blame. I all in the book. Blaine is a tough word. Blame. Al all in the book. Blaine is a l tough word. Blame. A lot all in the book. Blaine is a i tough word. Blame. A lot of tough word. Blame. A lot of them at different times did good stuff. A lot of them were responsible for delivering the type of brexit that i believed in, because there is no point in, because there is no point in doing brexit if you are not going to take back control. 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On november the 18th 2020, the nhra, the I 18th 2020, the nhra, the british body that registered these things, were talking about the imminent results from the vaccine and it made quite clear that if any vaccines had been approved by the European Medicines agency, they would have been valid in the uk, and it makes clear in the statement, if a Covid Vaccine candidate had been found to be safe and effective, Eu Legislation allows for temporary authorisation of supply in the uk based on the public health needs, so we could do that. We hadnt left the eu by that point. And you have been posting it was possible because of brexit, and the truth is we were still in the truth is we were still in the eu at that point because we were in the Transition Period and under those rules, we were allowed to do what we did. I allowed to do what we did. I know, but i dont believe for a second. I dont believe for a second. I dont believe for a second we would have done. 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They were the only country that did not because we had come out of the ema and we had voted several times, Underthe Ema and we had voted several times, under the previous administration, underteresa, administration, under teresa, Keir Starmer and others administration, underteresa, Keir Starmer and others voted to stay within the ema. Do you believe for a second that if we hadnt done brexit. But believe for a second that if we hadnt done brexit. Hadnt done brexit. But you could have hadnt done brexit. But you could have done. Hadnt done brexit. But you could have done. But hadnt done brexit. But you could have done. But i i could have done. But i delivered could have done. But i delivered brexit i could have done. But i delivered brexit i was could have done. But i i delivered brexit i was a brexited. I delivered brexit i was a brexited. Delivered brexit i was a brexited. ,. , brexited. I have made the point and other people brexited. I have made the point and other people can brexited. I have made the point and other people can judge i brexited. I have made the point and other people can judge it. | and other people canjudge it. We had a totally different approach and we were able to make use of our freedoms to do things differently. That saved lives. I things differently. That saved lives. Things differently. That saved lives. ,. ,. , things differently. That saved lives. ,. , | lives. I have made the point. I do not believe lives. I have made the point. I do not believe for lives. I have made the point. I do not believe for one lives. I have made the point. I| do not believe for one second, i want to get bogged down on it. I i want to get bogged down on it. , �. ,. ,. , it. I dont want to get bogged down on that. It. I dont want to get bogged down on that. I it. I dont want to get bogged down on that. I bet it. I dont want to get bogged down on that. I bet you i it. I dont want to get bogged| down on that. I bet you dont. Wh do down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you think down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you think 27 down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you think 27 other why do you think 27 other countries stayed with the ema . Because they work with the eu. Ellison has been in touch and says do you regret not taking a premiership seriously . I have read the book, unlike some of the other people who have interviewed you about it, in part it is very funny, enthusiastic and optimistic, but you do come across as unserious. I but you do come across as unserious but you do come across as unserious. , �. ,. , unserious. I dont want to cast an unnecessarily unserious. I dont want to cast an unnecessarily serious i unserious. I dont want to cast an unnecessarily serious palll an unnecessarily serious pall over events, orthis over events, or this conversation, but over events, orthis conversation, but do you think it is unserious to have defeated the real threat of a marxist or semi marxist government in this country, tainted as the Labour Party then was by anti semitism, seen it off in the way we did . Do you think it is unserious to have the fastest vaccine will not in europe so we were able to vaccinate about 45 of our population by March Of 2010 . Protect huge numbers of people that were not being protected in other european countries, elderly and vulnerable people . I do not think it is frivolous to have led the campaign, by the way, to protect the independence of another european country, the Freedom And Sovereignty and integrity of ukraine. That was extremely difficult in the uk did it with a great deal of success, and i dont think it was a trivial thing to have delivered the Sovereignty And Independence of our own country. No, look, there is contained within your question is a legitimate question is a legitimate question about how to approach politics and how to get people to listen to you. And there is no earthly point in expecting people to listen and understand what your political message is, unless you try to. It what your political message is, unless you try to. Unless you try to. It is not about language, unless you try to. It is not about language, it unless you try to. It is not about language, it is i unless you try to. It is not about language, it is about| about language, it is about some of the decisions you took. This is your listener who said this . ,. ,. ,. , this . No, having had that question. This . No, having had that question. I this . No, having had that question, i reflected i this . No, having had that question, i reflected on l this . No, having had that. Question, i reflected on the book. Injune 2016, after brexit, you the frontrunner to become prime everyone expects you to become Prime Minister. Instead he went and played cricket because in your words, it would have been rude to counsel and there was a magnificent lunch. When you met Joe Biden for the first time, your gift to him was a photograph you had printed off wikipedia. Committee Corridor<\/a> in the house of commons, voting opened at one and closed at three so they will be counting those and there are the four candidates who have run through, Robert Jenrick<\/a>, kemi badenoch, James Cleverly<\/a> and Tom Tugendhat<\/a>. Whoever gets the lowest number of votes is eliminated and the final three will go through to another and final round of Voting Tomorrow<\/a> which will whittle it down to the final two candidates, he will go on to the conservative membership where there will be a ballot that will last until The End<\/a> of the month to pick the eventual winner who gets announced On November<\/a> the 2nd. It really is all over. And other hustings held earlier, there very last chance to try and convince some of those mps to swing behind them, but that is it, that is them, but that is it, that is the last time they can make their pitch. Todays voting and tomorrows voting. Their pitch. Todays voting and tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk us tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk us through tomorrows voting. What does it mean . Talk us through which i mean . Talk us through which candidates represent a rich perspective within The Party<\/a> . Very broadly, they split into two camps. You have got coming from the more centrist part of The Party<\/a>, Tom Tugendhat<\/a> and James Cleverly<\/a>. On the right of The Party<\/a> you have got Robert Jenrick<\/a> and kemi badenoch. The voting is under way and has just finished now. We voting is under way and has just finished now. Voting is under way and has just finished now. We are going to take you just finished now. We are going to take you straight just finished now. We are going to take you straight to just finished now. We are going to take you straight to the to take you straight to the studios of radio five live. Borisjohnson will be interviewed by matt charlie. This is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. This is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. Listen this is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. Listen on this is our bbc. This is bbc radio 5 live. Listen on bbc| radio 5 live. Listen on bbc sounds radio 5 live. Listen on bbc sounds. Good radio 5 live. Listen on bbc sounds. Good afternoon, L Radio<\/a> 5 live. Listen on Bbc L<\/a> sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i am i sounds. Good afternoon, life i sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i i sounds. Good afternoon, life from westminster as i am i sounds. Good afternoon, life i from westminster as i am every afternoon and joined by our from westminster as i am every afternoon and joined by our friends at the Bbc News<\/a> friends at the Bbc News<\/a> channel. My guest this channel. My guest this afternoon needs no afternoon needs no introduction. Everyone knows Who Ee<\/a> is and has a view on introduction. Everyone knows Who Ee<\/a> is and has a view on him. He is the hero who him. He is the hero who delivered brexit or the villain delivered brexit or the villain who delivered brexit. He is the who delivered brexit. He is the Hero Or Villain<\/a> who delivered Hero Or Villain<\/a> who delivered the Covid Vaccine<\/a> or The Party<\/a> the Covid Vaccine<\/a> or The Party<\/a> had put us into lockdown. He had put us into lockdown. He broke election records in 2019 broke election records in 2019 be ,. ,. , and break more records when his and break more records when his ministers resigned forcing him ministers resigned forcing him from office. Now he has from office. Now he has released a book amongst any released a book amongst any many other things, the first many other things, the first Prime Minister<\/a> with the memoir Prime Minister<\/a> with the memoir to use the word hundreds. To use the word hundreds. Badenoch. I badenoch. I to use the word hundreds. Badenoch to use the word hundreds. Badenoch to use the word hundreds. Badenoch. ,. , badenoch. I am sure other prime to use the word hundreds. Badenoch. ,. , badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have used badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have used the badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have used the word i minister have badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have used badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have used the badenoch. I am sure other Prime Minister<\/a> have used the word i minister have used the Word Minister<\/a> have used the word chundered. It is a pleasure to chundered. It is a pleasure to be on your show and i empty australian Prime Minister<\/a> must have used chundered. Have used chundered. British. He didnt have used chundered. British. He didnt say have used chundered. British. He didnt say british. Have used chundered. British. He didnt say british. I have used chundered. British. He didnt say british. I think. May well have. I want to say to our listeners, this is the first Bbc Interview<\/a> i have done for a long time and certainly the first i have done about this book. I want everybody to know i have not had to of your questions in advance because i was going to do one the other day and it lieu up on the launch pad. I didnt know you are going to ask about chundering. Are going to ask about chunderinu. G ,. , chundering. My experience of readin chundering. My experience of reading your chundering. My experience of reading your book chundering. My experience of reading your book is chundering. My experience of reading your book is even i chundering. My experience of reading your book is even if. Chundering. My experience of reading your book is even if i | reading your book is even if i had sent to the notes, you may not have read of them. Whose fault is that you are sitting here in the studio are not up the road in number ten . You will find the the road in number ten . You will find the answer the road in numberten . 7m. Will find the answer within the pages of my book. The awful truth is a large share of the responsibility is mine, though there were other factors. And what the book is trying to explain is why i believe in the things i have tried to do, my belief in Britain And Belief<\/a> in a certain type of national independence and standing up for our values abroad like in ukraine. But running through the whole thing is a narrative about levelling up, which is where i think, them amongst others. You played them all in the book. All in the book. Blaine is a tou~h all in the book. Blaine is a tough word. All in the book. Blaine is a tough word. All in the book. Blaine is a tough word. Blame. I all in the book. Blaine is a tough word. Blame. Al all in the book. Blaine is a l tough word. Blame. A lot all in the book. Blaine is a i tough word. Blame. A lot of tough word. Blame. A lot of them at different times did good stuff. A lot of them were responsible for delivering the type of brexit that i believed in, because there is no point in, because there is no point in doing brexit if you are not going to take back control. I worry about the politics of not being as close to our Eu Partners<\/a> and i worry about people being upset about it, but the only reason for doing it is if you take advantage of the freedoms, and that is why i sent her on this back Seat Role<\/a> out and the real possibility that we had because of the type of brexit we delivered, took lessons those vaccines early and to rule them out. And inoculate people faster and save lives. Inoculate people faster and save lives. , save lives. On november the 18th 2020, save lives. On november the 18th 2020, the save lives. On november the 18th 2020, the nhra, save lives. On november the 18th 2020, the nhra, the I 18th<\/a> 2020, the nhra, the british body that registered these things, were talking about the imminent results from the vaccine and it made quite clear that if any vaccines had been approved by the European Medicines<\/a> agency, they would have been valid in the uk, and it makes clear in the statement, if a Covid Vaccine<\/a> candidate had been found to be safe and effective, Eu Legislation<\/a> allows for temporary authorisation of supply in the uk based on the public health needs, so we could do that. We hadnt left the eu by that point. And you have been posting it was possible because of brexit, and the truth is we were still in the truth is we were still in the eu at that point because we were in the Transition Period<\/a> and under those rules, we were allowed to do what we did. I allowed to do what we did. I know, but i dont believe for a second. I dont believe for a second. I dont believe for a second we would have done. That is a different second we would have done. That is a different point. Second we would have done. That is a different point. Because i is a different point. Because we would is a different point. Because we would have is a different point. Because we would have been is a different point. Because we would have been within l is a different point. Because i we would have been within the Eu Vaccine<\/a>s roll out programme, we would have been part of the whole Approval System<\/a> and it just would not have happened in the same way. Just would not have happened in the same way the same way. This goes to the heart of a the same way. This goes to the heart of a lot. The same way. This goes to the heart of a lot. Dont the same way. This goes to the heart of a lot. Dont forget. I heart of a lot. Dont forget. You say things which are just about in the chest. You say things which are ust about in the chesti about in the chest. Lets put it the other about in the chest. Lets put it the other way about in the chest. Lets put it the other way around. I about in the chest. Lets put i it the other way around. What happened is all the vaccines were authorised, approved by the eme at the same time. So for the whole of the rest of the 27 other countries, you have to believe. The 27 other countries, you have to believe. The 27 other countries, you have to believe. You had the ower have to believe. You had the power in have to believe. You had the power in special have to believe. You had the. Power in special circumstances, it says on this piece of paper, Eu Legislation<\/a> allows for temporary authorisation for supply in the uk based on public health news. You could have done it. We public health news. You could have done it. Have done it. We would have been locked have done it. We would have been locked in have done it. We would have been locked in the have done it. We would have been locked in the eu i have done it. 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They were the only country that did not because we had come out of the ema and we had voted several times, Underthe Ema<\/a> and we had voted several times, under the previous administration, underteresa, administration, under teresa, Keir Starmer<\/a> and others administration, underteresa, Keir Starmer<\/a> and others voted to stay within the ema. Do you believe for a second that if we hadnt done brexit. But believe for a second that if we hadnt done brexit. Hadnt done brexit. But you could have hadnt done brexit. But you could have done. Hadnt done brexit. But you could have done. But hadnt done brexit. But you could have done. But i i could have done. But i delivered could have done. But i delivered brexit i could have done. But i delivered brexit i was could have done. But i i delivered brexit i was a brexited. I delivered brexit i was a brexited. Delivered brexit i was a brexited. ,. , brexited. I have made the point and other people brexited. I have made the point and other people can brexited. I have made the point and other people can judge i brexited. I have made the point and other people can judge it. | and other people canjudge it. We had a totally different approach and we were able to make use of our freedoms to do things differently. That saved lives. I things differently. That saved lives. Things differently. That saved lives. ,. ,. , things differently. That saved lives. ,. , | lives. I have made the point. I do not believe lives. I have made the point. I do not believe for lives. I have made the point. I do not believe for one lives. I have made the point. I| do not believe for one second, i want to get bogged down on it. I i want to get bogged down on it. , \ufffd. ,. ,. , it. I dont want to get bogged down on that. It. I dont want to get bogged down on that. I it. I dont want to get bogged down on that. I bet it. I dont want to get bogged down on that. I bet you i it. I dont want to get bogged| down on that. I bet you dont. Wh do down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you think down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you think 27 down on that. I bet you dont. Why do you think 27 other why do you think 27 other countries stayed with the ema . Because they work with the eu. Ellison has been in touch and says do you regret not taking a premiership seriously . I have read the book, unlike some of the other people who have interviewed you about it, in part it is very funny, enthusiastic and optimistic, but you do come across as unserious. I but you do come across as unserious but you do come across as unserious. , \ufffd. ,. , unserious. I dont want to cast an unnecessarily unserious. I dont want to cast an unnecessarily serious i unserious. I dont want to cast an unnecessarily serious palll an unnecessarily serious pall over events, orthis over events, or this conversation, but over events, orthis conversation, but do you think it is unserious to have defeated the real threat of a marxist or semi marxist government in this country, tainted as the Labour Party<\/a> then was by anti semitism, seen it off in the way we did . Do you think it is unserious to have the fastest vaccine will not in europe so we were able to vaccinate about 45 of our population by March Of 2010<\/a> . Protect huge numbers of people that were not being protected in other european countries, elderly and vulnerable people . I do not think it is frivolous to have led the campaign, by the way, to protect the independence of another european country, the Freedom And Sovereignty<\/a> and integrity of ukraine. That was extremely difficult in the uk did it with a great deal of success, and i dont think it was a trivial thing to have delivered the Sovereignty And Independence<\/a> of our own country. No, look, there is contained within your question is a legitimate question is a legitimate question about how to approach politics and how to get people to listen to you. And there is no earthly point in expecting people to listen and understand what your political message is, unless you try to. It what your political message is, unless you try to. Unless you try to. It is not about language, unless you try to. It is not about language, it unless you try to. It is not about language, it is i unless you try to. It is not about language, it is about| about language, it is about some of the decisions you took. This is your listener who said this . ,. ,. ,. , this . No, having had that question. This . No, having had that question. I this . No, having had that question, i reflected i this . No, having had that question, i reflected on l this . No, having had that. Question, i reflected on the book. Injune 2016, after brexit, you the frontrunner to become prime everyone expects you to become Prime Minister<\/a>. Instead he went and played cricket because in your words, it would have been rude to counsel and there was a magnificent lunch. When you met Joe Biden<\/a> for the first time, your gift to him was a photograph you had printed off wikipedia. \ufb01n Photograph<\/a> you had printed off wiki edia. Photograph you had printed off wikiedia. , \ufffd , wikipedia. On that british taxoayers wikipedia. On that british taxoayers i wikipedia. On that british taxpayers i it wikipedia. On that british taxpayers i it would i wikipedia. On that british taxpayers i it would be i taxpayers i it would be gratefulfor taxpayers i it would be grateful for the fact we were not lavishing money unnecessarily on gifts. Back to Sto<\/a> |n~ unnecessarily on gifts. Back to Sto<\/a>pping the unnecessarily on gifts. Back to Sto<\/a>pping the vaccines unnecessarily on gifts. Back to Sto<\/a>pping the vaccines out i unnecessarily on gifts. Back to | Sto<\/a>pping the vaccines out other warehouse in the netherlands, you as Prime Minister<\/a> spend your evenings looking on Google Earth<\/a> to see if you could mount a Military Invasion<\/a> of the netherlands. That is not serious. Netherlands. That is not serious netherlands. That is not serious. , ~ ,. , serious. Let me take your first accusation. Serious. Let me take your first accusation, which serious. Let me take your first accusation, which was serious. Let me take your first accusation, which was about l accusation, which was about 2016. ~. , 2016. When the going gets tou h, 2016. When the going gets tough. You 2016. When the going gets tough, you sometimes i 2016. When the going gets tough, you sometimes act| 2016. When the going gets i tough, you sometimes act the volley. Tough, you sometimes act the volle. ,. , tough, you sometimes act the volle. I. ,. , tough, you sometimes act the volle. ,. ,. , volley. Do you want me to ask the question volley. Do you want me to ask the question or volley. Do you want me to ask the question or not . Volley. Do you want me to ask the question or not . Thats i the question or not . Thats right answer. We had the referendum which was called by the government. When the government calls a referendum, you expect them to have a plan for either outcome. [30 you expect them to have a plan for either outcome. For either outcome. Do you . There seems for either outcome. Do you . There seems to for either outcome. Do you . There seems to beat for either outcome. Do you . There seems to beat your i for either outcome. Do you . I there seems to beat your client now, but you foot powered you put forward a plan. He published a detailed plan of what you thought brexit looked like. \ufffd. ,. , what you thought brexit looked like. \ufffd. ,. , what you thought brexit looked like. ,. , like. But what you are saying is we should like. But what you are saying is we should have like. But what you are saying is we should have had i like. But what you are saying is we should have had a i is we should have had a detailed plan to take over the government. I heard what you said. Sorry, that is what you said. Sorry, that is what you said. This is your show. People were looking said. This is your show. People were looking to said. This is your show. People were looking to you said. This is your show. People were looking to you to said. This is your show. People were looking to you to lead i said. This is your show. People j were looking to you to lead the country after the brexit foot. You have got to pay attention to what you are asking, because you havejust to what you are asking, because you have just accuse to what you are asking, because you havejust accuse me to what you are asking, because you have just accuse me of not having a plan to take over the country. Having a plan to take over the count. , \ufffd ~ having a plan to take over the count. , \ufffd. ,. , country. No, i didnt. When you are a front country. No, i didnt. When you are a front runner, country. No, i didnt. When you are a front runner, people i country. No, i didnt. When you are a front runner, people were calling on you to replace David Cameron<\/a> and he went on to play cricket because he didnt want to upset charlie and his munificent lunch. To upset charlie and his munificent lunch. ~. ,. , munificent lunch. What we had as a referendum munificent lunch. What we had as a referendum called munificent lunch. What we had as a referendum called by i munificent lunch. What we had as a referendum called by the | as a referendum called by the government, if the League Campaign<\/a> had set out to replace the government, if you had discovered some secret document between me and Michael Gove<\/a> saying this is our plan, we will get so and so to run it, and this is our plan for negotiations, you would have said this is not about brexit, this is not about a decision of people in this country. This is about a tory plot, or tory Power Politics<\/a> and it wasnt. It was about a argument about Sovereignty And Freedom<\/a> and belief in britain. It was up to the government, as it is for every European Government<\/a> and always has been with every referendum, to live with the consequences of their actions, that when they called the referendum and have a plan, which i assumed they would. I assumed they would bring forward a White Paper<\/a> for every eventuality and they would have a plan for negotiations and for remain and foot leave. They didnt, so you are quite right. What happened was injune 2016, the then Prime Minister<\/a> David Cameron<\/a> evaporated, whistling, and yes, we then had a devil of and yes, we then had a devil of a job because suddenly we owned it, which was what he intended. Which we hadnt intended. Right . We had a great a problem. I had a vision of what brexit should be like, but it wasnt my plan to take over the government and i assumed that people havent voted for it, my assumption was the government would deliver it. And they didnt. We then had a situation in which i wasnt able to become Prime Minister<\/a> and the fallout from that, which i am sure you have chronicled extensively and we had three years of stasis in which we did not get it done. To get back to the initial point, there is no point in brexit unless you come up point in brexit unless you come up properly and fully from the European Union<\/a> and the empire of european law. That is what the fight was about, the struggle was all about and that was why in 20191 became Prime Minister<\/a>. But the manifeSto<\/a> in which i succeeded then and got Record Majority<\/a>, and huge numbers were notjust about getting brexit done. It wasnt a Record Majority<\/a>. Getting brexit done. It wasnt a Record Majority<\/a>. It getting brexit done. It wasnt a Record Majority<\/a>. It was i getting brexit done. It wasnt a Record Majority<\/a>. It was a i a Record Majority<\/a>. It was a decent sized majority. It was a Record Majority<\/a> since 1979 or something. B. Record majority since 1979 or something Record Majority<\/a> since 1979 or somethina. \ufffd. ,. , something. A long time. It was 40 Million<\/a> something. A long time. It was 40 Million<\/a> votes something. A long time. It was 40 Million<\/a> votes which something. A long time. It was 40 Million<\/a> votes which is i something. A long time. It was 40 Million<\/a> votes which is quite | 40 Million<\/a> votes which is quite a lot. A big share of the vote. That was because we had a plan for the country, which i still think, and i kepta for the country, which i still think, and i kept a Opening Answer<\/a> to you, i really think is the right plan for the uk. This is an amazing country. Read unleashed and i hope you will find praise to this country for what it could be. You have got the vision, you have got the plan and the majority, and then a series of things which are within your control read to your downfall. What . Like the love that flowers between a tangle and a bat in a cave in wuhan or a chinese lad. That was within my control . ,. ,. , control . You were more popular at the Height Control<\/a> . You were more popular at the height of control . You were more popular at the height of covid, control . You were more popular at the height of covid, even i at the height of covid, even more than churchill. One of your conservative mps was accused of breaking laws, instead of reading a report into him you went to dinner. You got your mps to vote it down and then you got them to overturn it. And lots of your colleagues pinpoint that as classic borisjohnson, and that is why they started losing faith in you. The same thing happened with Patti Kate<\/a> and chris country. You are not across the detail. Party gate. It is that sort of behaviour as to why you are not at the vote in number ten. I certainly accept on all three things, i certainly accept and explain in unleashed my own sense of failure on the handling of those things and i tried to get to grips with where i think i went wrong, and with the owen Paterson Business<\/a> i literallyjust delivered the cop26 thing, whatever people may say about the environment and zero, it was a mass successful summit. My brain was full of everything we had done to take carbon out of the atmosphere, we got a big agreement with the nations of the earth. , \ufffd agreement with the nations of the earth the earth. You didnt read the re ort. The earth. You didnt read the report we the earth. You didnt read the report. We just the earth. You didnt read the report. We just had the earth. You didnt read the report. We just had the i the earth. You didnt read the report. We just had the 620 l the earth. You didnt read the | report. We just had the 620 in report. We ust had the 620 in rome. Report. We just had the 620 in rome and report. We just had the 620 in rome and i report. We just had the 620 in rome. And i was report. We just had the 620 in rome. And i was flying report. We just had the 620 in i rome. And i was flying around the world doing these things. It is true, i hold my hands up, it is true, i hold my hands up, i got back to london and as i was reading it i thought i dont like the look of this, but by then it was too late and the whips were decided on an operation which in respect that retrospect i regret. Do operation which in respect that retrospect i regret. Retrospect i regret. Do you recret retrospect i regret. Do you regret not retrospect i regret. Do you regret not taking retrospect i regret. Do you regret not taking a retrospect i regret. Do you | regret not taking a premiership more seriously . Regret not taking a premiership more seriously . There could not have been more seriously . There could not have been more more seriously . There could not have been more serious more seriously . There could not have been more serious times i have been more serious times and we look at the results we achieved with the british people, on the tasks that i was set, to avert a Semi Maxus<\/a> labour government, to protect the people. There is a limit to what governments can do to Sto<\/a>p the spread of highly contagious diseases in a country like ours, a wonderful broadly freedom loving country like ours, but when it comes to rolling out vaccines, that is the government responsibility. We have talked about the vaccines. But nobody can say we were not serious in our approach. Were not serious in our approach were not serious in our a roach. , approach. Or what we were doing in foreian approach. Or what we were doing in Foreign Policy<\/a> approach. Or what we were doing in Foreign Policy<\/a> or approach. Or what we were doing in Foreign Policy<\/a> or generally. In Foreign Policy<\/a> or generally. We have had so many messages from people who want to get in touch. Somebody says to tell Boris The Public<\/a> want him back. Do you want to appease that listener . I do you want to appease that listener . ~ ,. , ,. , listener . I think probably you found a very listener . I think probably you found a very small found a very small unrepresentative sample there, but what i will say is what i have always said. My chances of becoming a Prime Minister<\/a> again. Or decapitated bya 50. Again. Or decapitated bya 50. Frisbee. Again. Or decapitated by a 50. Frisbee. 50. Frisbee. Probably Mr Bbc<\/a>. If 50. Frisbee. Probably Mr Bbc<\/a> if we 50. Frisbee. Probably mr ssc. If we did 50. Frisbee. Probably mr ssc. If we did a 50. Frisbee. Probably Mr Bbc<\/a>. If we did a textual bbc. If we did a textual analysis of all the messages there is one word that comes up. It begins with l. It is a liar. Lots of people think you are a liar. Are you a liar . M0. Are a liar. Are you a liar . No, and i think are a liar. Are you a liar . No, and i think whether are a liar. Are you a liar . No, and i think whether it are a liar. Are you a liar . No, and i think whether it is are a liar. Are you a liar . Mr, and i think whether it is the bus, which in fact was the bus of truth. ,. , , of truth. This was the 350 Million<\/a> bus. Of truth. This was the 350 Million<\/a> bus. I of truth. This was the 350 Million<\/a> bus. I say of truth. This was the 350 Million<\/a> bus. I say it of truth. This was the 350 Million<\/a> bus. I say it was i of truth. This was the 350 | million bus. I say it was an underestimate million bus. I say it was an underestimate because million bus. I say it was an underestimate because it. Million bus. I say it was an i underestimate because it was going to probably rise to. You said in the book that the real figure you said in the book that the realfigure is much lower. I you said in the book that the real figure is much lower. Realfigure is much lower. I am not going realfigure is much lower. I am not going to realfigure is much lower. I am not going to have realfigure is much lower. I am not going to have this real figure is much lower. I n n0t going to have this rubbish. Not going to have this rubbish. I have read your book you said it was more like hundred and 70 million. ,. , million. No, that is the net fiaure million. No, that is the Net Figure<\/a> that million. No, that is the Net Figure<\/a> that the million. No, that is the Net Figure<\/a> that the uk million. No, that is the Net Figure<\/a> that the uk was million. No, that is the Net Figure<\/a> that the uk was sending to brussels to be spent by the eu on projects in the eu. The vest was to be spent by the eu on projects in the uk, with no control from the uk. So that is why. Control from the uk. So that is wh. \ufffd ,. , control from the uk. So that is wh. \ufffd ,. , why. Lets not get too bogged down. Why. Lets not get too bogged down that why. Lets not get too bogged down. That is why. Lets not get too bogged down. That is the why. Lets not get too bogged down. That is the problem, i why. Lets not get too bogged l down. That is the problem, you accuse me of being a liar, and when i come back with the truth you do not want to hear it, and the truth is those numbers were going to go up, and it tried to hang all that up, the women campaigned, why dont you say that the running campaign were a bunch of liars remain campaign. I a bunch of liars remain campaign a bunch of liars remain campaign. I will ask George Osborne<\/a> campaign. I will ask George Osborne<\/a> i campaign. I will ask George Osborne<\/a>. I bet campaign. I will ask George Osborne<\/a>. I bet you campaign. I will ask George Osborne<\/a>. I bet you have campaign. I will ask 6eorge osborne. I bet you have never, i bet nobody osborne. I bet you have never, i bet nobody has osborne. I bet you have never, i bet nobody has ever osborne. I bet you have never, i bet nobody has ever accused l i bet nobody has ever accused remain of being big fat pants on fire liars for the things they said about what was going to happen to this economy after brexit. The truth is, osborne said they would have to be a punishment budget, they said unemployment was going to go up, the reality is that i ended my premiership with unemployment at a 50 year low with people in paid employment, 620,000 more of them before the pandemic began and Youth Unemployment<\/a> at a 50 year low. When i was ending my premiership, we were the second biggest exporter of financial services and the fourth biggest exporter in the world. Still attracting the Lions Share<\/a> of overseas investment into europe, still the biggest. Why on earth do my opponents, our opponents, not your opponents. I opponents, not your opponents. Opponents, not your opponents. Opponents, not your ouonents. , \ufffd. ,. , opponents. I dont have any opponents opponents. I dont have any opponents. Youre opponents. I dont have any i opponents. Youre unchallenged on this show opponents. Youre unchallenged on this show apart opponents. Youre unchallenged on this show apart from opponents. Youre unchallenged on this show apart from my on this show apart from my feeble efforts. Why are they allowed to get away with this . Is it because the liberal Media Establishment<\/a> are for remain . You will find the answer on the pages of my book. This you will find the answer on the pages of my book. Pages of my book. As we are bein pages of my book. As we are being open pages of my book. As we are being open and pages of my book. As we are being open and truthful, pages of my book. As we are being open and truthful, you | being open and truthful, you chastised Barack Obama<\/a> for saying brexit would be at the back of The View<\/a> for the us Trade Deal<\/a>, you said it would be at the front. Barack obama was right. Be at the front. Barack obama was right was right. Thats because we had a trade was right. Thats because we had a trade of was right. Thats because we had a trade of us was right. Thats because we had a trade of us President<\/a> s| was right. Thats because we i had a trade of us President<\/a> s had a trade of us President<\/a> s change of us President<\/a>. [30 had a trade of us President<\/a> s change of us President<\/a>. Change of us President<\/a>. Do you think Donald Change<\/a> of us President<\/a>. Do you think donald Trump Change<\/a> of us President<\/a>. Do you think Donald Trump<\/a> Will Change<\/a> of us President<\/a>. Do you think Donald Trump<\/a> will do change of us President<\/a>. Do you think Donald Trump<\/a> will do a i think Donald Trump<\/a> will do a deal . I think Donald Trump<\/a> will do a deal . ~. , think Donald Trump<\/a> will do a deal . ~. ,. , think Donald Trump<\/a> will do a deal . ~. ,. ,. , deal . I think he would do a free Trade Deal<\/a> . I think he would do a free Trade Deal<\/a>. Deal . I think he would do a free Trade Deal<\/a>. That deal . I think he would do a free Trade Deal<\/a>. That is deal . I think he would do a free Trade Deal<\/a>. That is not| deal . I think he would do a i free Trade Deal<\/a>. That is not to say that i am taking sides. I know that is probably your next question. I know that is probably your next cuestion. , \ufffd know that is probably your next cuestion. , \ufffd. ,. , question. I wasnt going to bother asking question. I wasnt going to bother asking because question. I wasnt going to bother asking because i i question. I wasnt going to i bother asking because i heard you are not answering. I dont know if you saw a copy of the times this morning, it said the political party had to drop a short Citation Setting<\/a> out the experience for the House Of Lords<\/a>. Why did you put Charlotte Owen<\/a> and ross into the House Of Lords<\/a> . Charlotte owen and ross into the House Of Lords<\/a> . Both were extremely the House Of Lords<\/a> . Both were extremely competent. The House Of Lords<\/a> . Both were extremely competent. Can the House Of Lords<\/a> . Both were extremely competent. Can you | extremely competent. Can you remember why waheed alli. Remember why waheed alli. Charlotte remember why waheed alli. Charlotte owen was an extremely effective political adviser and the House Of Lords<\/a> is currently rounded to the gills with people, political advisers to David Cameron<\/a>, i can think person who ran David Cameron<\/a> cosmic Ops Team<\/a> who is now in the House Of Lords<\/a>. Nothing makes a fuss of all that. About what . About some of the previous. What . About some of the previous. What . About some of the previous. There has been criticism previous. There has been criticism. To previous. There has been criticism. To be previous. There has been criticism. To be fair, previous. There has been. Criticism. To be fair, nothing like the abuse criticism. To be fair, nothing like the abuse that criticism. To be fair, nothing like the abuse that that like the abuse that that particular woman had, which is absolutely shameful. I5 particular woman had, which is absolutely shameful. Absolutely shameful. Is that sexist . It absolutely shameful. Is that sexist . It is, absolutely shameful. Is that sexist . It is, and absolutely shameful. Is that sexist . It is, and it absolutely shameful. Is that sexist . It is, and it is sexist . It is, and it is shameful. Sexist . It is, and it is shameful. She sexist . It is, and it is shameful. She was i sexist . It is, and it is| shameful. She was an accomplished adviser and the attacks on these people, it is like the stuff about the bus and what people said on the remain side during the campaign. The fundamentalfact campaign. The fundamental fact is campaign. The fundamentalfact is what happened in 2016 and then in 2019 basically fried then in 2019 basically fried the brains of a lot of people who opposed me and to opposed brexit, and we all need to get over it and move on to a happy united agenda which you will find on the pages of unleashed because it is a positive and uplifting book. Because it is a positive and uplifting book. Have you sent Keir Starmer<\/a> uplifting book. Have you sent Keir Starmer<\/a> a uplifting book. Have you sent Keir Starmer<\/a> a free uplifting book. Have you sent Keir Starmer<\/a> a free copy . Uplifting book. Have you sent Keir Starmer<\/a> a free copy . I l Keir Starmer<\/a> a free copy . I have not, it is not sufficiently viable for him to have to declare it or send it back. Unlike many other things. What about the criticism he has faced . I what about the criticism he has faced . ~ . , faced . I think the difficulty was lord faced . I think the difficulty was lord ari faced . I think the difficulty was lord ari getting faced . I think the difficulty was lord ari getting a faced . I think the difficulty| was lord ari getting a pass. Faced . I think the difficulty i was lord ari getting a pass. I couldnt understand that. You were not shy couldnt understand that. You were not shy of couldnt understand that. You were not shy of a couldnt understand that. You were not shy of a freebie from a donor. I were not shy of a freebie from a donor. Were not shy of a freebie from a donor. ,. , a donor. I can tell you i coughed a donor. I can tell you i coughed up. A donor. I can tell you i coughed up. You a donor. I can tell you i coughed up. You try i a donor. I can tell you i coughed up. You try to | a donor. I can tell you i i coughed up. You try to get a donor to coughed up. You try to get a donor to pay coughed up. You try to get a donor to pay for coughed up. You try to get a donor to pay for your donor to pay for your wallpaper. Donor to pay for your wallpaper. Donor to pay for your wallaer. A ~ wallpaper. As soon as i knew we had a brilliant wallpaper. As soon as i knew we had a brilliant plan wallpaper. As soon as i knew we had a brilliant plan to wallpaper. As soon as i knew we had a brilliant plan to do wallpaper. As soon as i knew we had a brilliant plan to do at i had a brilliant plan to do at the whole of number ten and a very nice guy decided to join the campaign, because number ten was looking very tatty. It is not likely White House<\/a> which are maintained by donations. We had a brilliant plan. You said this morning it looked like a Crack Den<\/a>. Said this morning it looked like a Crack Den<\/a>. My bit sadly did because like a Crack Den<\/a>. My bit sadly did because our like a Crack Den<\/a>. My bit sadly did because our lovely like a Crack Den<\/a>. My bit sadly did because our lovely dog i like a Crack Den<\/a>. My bit sadly i did because our lovely dog who appears on the back cover, dylan was not well trained and teresas lovely great carpets had taken a bit of a pasting or a pounding, whatever the word is. They had to be removed. Anyway, we had to get them to smack it only looks like a Crack Den<\/a> because you had to take up the soggy carpets . The Jcp Boss<\/a> take up the soggy carpets . The Jcp Boss<\/a> paid take up the soggy carpets . The Jcp Boss<\/a> paid for half of your Jcp Boss<\/a> paid for half of your weddings. Jcp boss paid for half of your weddings weddings. Sadly, i know you thinki weddings. Sadly, i know you think i am weddings. Sadly, i know you think i am still weddings. Sadly, i know you think i am still prime think i am still Prime Minister<\/a>, my wedding took place after i ceased to be in office. But you are not adverse having somebody else to pay for things for you. Studio you are watching Bbc News<\/a>, we are going to head to the 1922 committee of the house of commons, the conservatives about to make an announcement on the next stage of the leadership contest. On the next stage of the leadershi contest. Leadership contest. Hundred and 20 votes were leadership contest. Hundred and 20 votes were cast leadership contest. Hundred and 20 votes were cast and leadership contest. Hundred and 20 votes were cast and the i 20 votes were cast and the votes for each candidate were as follows. Kemi badenoch 30. James cleverly 39. Robert jenrick 31. And Tom Tugendhat<\/a> 20. As a result of that ballot, Tom Tugendhat<\/a> is eliminated from the contest, and the fourth ballot will take Place Tomorrow<\/a> between 130 and tpm in the space between the top three candidates, kemi badenoch, James Cleverly<\/a> and Robert Jenrick<\/a>. The result will be announced tomorrow at 3 30pm. Thank you very much for your attendance. This there we go. 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