Multifaceted story with the bbc�*s chief international correspondent lyse doucet. Bbc's chief international correspondent lyse doucet. When we say that _ correspondent lyse doucet. When we say that everything _ correspondent lyse doucet. When we say that everything has we say that everything has changed forjournalists but changed for journalists but nothing _ changed forjournalists but nothing has changed, the fundamentals are still there, especially when you are on the ground — especially when you are on the ground in— especially when you are on the ground in the heat and dust, in this case, — ground in the heat and dust, in this case, under the ground in the heat and dust, in this case, underthe bombs, it is the — this case, underthe bombs, it is the coup, _ this case, underthe bombs, it is the coup, where, what, where, _ is the coup, where, what, where, why? what is actually happened? rememberthat where, why? what is actually happened? remember that good old—fashioned word facts? it is to try— old—fashioned word facts? it is to try to— old—fashioned word facts? it is to try to find out the facts. More — to try to find out the facts. More and _ to try to find out the facts. More and more and in the world in which — more and more and in the world in which we _ more and more and in the world in which we live but it has always _ in which we live but it has always been the way ever since there _ always been the way ever since there has— always been the way ever since there has been war, conflicts and — there has been war, conflicts and wars _ there has been war, conflicts and wars are always unfolding on two — and wars are always unfolding on two levels. One is the facts on two levels. One is the facts on the — on two levels. One is the facts on the ground and the other is the perception of the facts on the perception of the facts on the ground. And these perceptions now have become an increasingly hostile battlefield. I don't need to tell both of you that it is nothing _ tell both of you that it is nothing less than a battle for the truth. So that it's not just— the truth. So that it's not just that _ the truth. So that it's not just that something happened, it's what— just that something happened, it's what other people think happened. And that feeling of what — happened. And that feeling of what they think happened can matter— what they think happened can matter more, indeed, in the evolution— matter more, indeed, in the evolution of the conflict and in terms _ evolution of the conflict and in terms of how the story is told — in terms of how the story is told and _ in terms of how the story is told and retold and told again and then, it becomes history. And _ and then, it becomes history. And the — and then, it becomes history. And the efforts of the people within these stories to influence how the media helps shape those perceptions, they must�*ve changed the way they try to influence how you and many others carry the stories? they have many more tools now. Before, _ they have many more tools now. Before, it — they have many more tools now. Before, it was simply face—to—face. Then we went through— face—to—face. Then we went through a _ face—to—face. Then we went through a long period in the 70s — through a long period in the 70s whenjournalists through a long period in the 70s when journalists were being kidnapped, most of all in lebanon. Then we came when journalists were not just on the front— journalists were not just on the front line but they were the front line but they were the frontline. And what we have seen, _ the frontline. And what we have seen. And — the frontline. And what we have seen, and it has been especially intensified during this gaza war, is that people think— this gaza war, is that people think they don't need us anymore. We are the so—called traditional— anymore. We are the so—called traditional media, mainstream media, _ traditional media, mainstream media, msm, they call us, and it is not— media, msm, they call us, and it is not a — media, msm, they call us, and it is not a compliment. It is not — it is not a compliment. It is not an— it is not a compliment. It is not an acronym, it is a way of saying — not an acronym, it is a way of saying you _ not an acronym, it is a way of saying you don't have the truth _ saying you don't have the truth. You are presenting a biased _ truth. You are presenting a biased view, a western view. And — biased view, a western view. And so— biased view, a western view. And so they take that story and they— and so they take that story and they put — and so they take that story and they put out what they think is happening. There was a moment, one of— happening. There was a moment, one of my— happening. There was a moment, one of my colleagues was doing an interview with a very, very controversial personality and the bbc_ controversial personality and the bbc was filming the interview and then i realised they. — interview and then i realised they. His _ interview and then i realised they, his people, were also fiiming _ they, his people, were also filming the interview and their filming the interview and their film of— filming the interview and their film of the interview got more hits and — film of the interview got more hits and went more viral than the bbc's _ hits and went more viral than the bbc's view of what happened. They chose the questions, they chose the answers, they edited it and suddenly, a bbc interview was broadcast in a very different way— broadcast in a very different way on _ broadcast in a very different way on a _ broadcast in a very different way on a non— bbc channel. And way on a non bbc channel. And that's becoming _ way on a non— bbc channel. Jifuc that's becoming more and way on a non— bbc channel. fific that's becoming more and more common? �* , that's becoming more and more common? 2 ,. . , that's becoming more and more common? 2 ,. , , common? it's become weaponised. There were — common? it's become weaponised. There were moments _ common? it's become weaponised. There were moments where, common? it's become weaponised. There were moments where, this. There were moments where, this is my— there were moments where, this is nry last — there were moments where, this is my last point, opens live on television _ is my last point, opens live on television from jerusalem doing interviews, talking to people and i— interviews, talking to people and i thought at h had to say to one — and i thought at h had to say to one person myjob is to ask the questions and you are to answer— the questions and you are to answer it. _ the questions and you are to answer it, this is a conversation. But they used us as content. They took our interviews, put us on that twitter— interviews, put us on that twitter feed and got more reactions on them and i thought i'm producing content notjust for the — i'm producing content notjust for the bbc but for everyone else — for the bbc but for everyone else. There is something really fundamental that happened in our world of information, newsgathering, the battle for the truth in this war. It's partly— the truth in this war. It's partly to— the truth in this war. It's partly to do with technology, partly — partly to do with technology, partly to _ partly to do with technology, partly to do with technology, partly to do with technology, partly to do with politics, partly _ partly to do with politics, partly to do with politics, partly to do with the israeli—palestinian conflict and — israeli—palestinian conflict and the _ israeli—palestinian conflict and the broader region. | israelipalestinian conflict and the broader region. I know ou are and the broader region. I know you are heading _ and the broader region. I know you are heading to _ and the broader region. I know you are heading to the and the broader region. I know you are heading to the region | you are heading to the region soon, tell us how it works, clearly you are rivals against, you know, the other reporters who are out there but in these situations, argue all staying in touch? are you making sure that each other keep safe? how does it work? i that each other keep safe? how does it work?— does it work? i don't see them as rivals. _ does it work? i don't see them as rivals, maybe _ does it work? i don't see them as rivals, maybe because does it work? i don't see them as rivals, maybe because i'm l as rivals, maybe because i'm not british, never seen them, this— not british, never seen them, this is— not british, never seen them, this is a — not british, never seen them, this is a classic thing that if you — this is a classic thing that if you get— this is a classic thing that if you get there, the bbc gets there — you get there, the bbc gets there before idn or before schey— there before idn or before schey it matters more, you have to get _ schey it matters more, you have to get there! they've done it already! _ to get there! they've done it already! journalism is very competitive and when the truth is not _ competitive and when the truth is not as— competitive and when the truth is not as that was but lives are — is not as that was but lives are at— is not as that was but lives are at risk, no story is worth dying — are at risk, no story is worth dying for~ _ are at risk, no story is worth dying for. And it does bring journalists together and i remember we journalists together and i rememberwe saw journalists together and i remember we saw this during the fullscale — remember we saw this during the full—scale russian invasion of ukraine _ full—scale russian invasion of ukraine i_ full—scale russian invasion of ukraine. I spent the night speaking to my colleagues from cnn and — speaking to my colleagues from cnn and schey and idn and i called — cnn and schey and idn and i called up all of them and said what — called up all of them and said what are _ called up all of them and said what are we going to do? they called — what are we going to do? they called me _ what are we going to do? they called me up and it does bring people — called me up and it does bring people together because quite frankly— people together because quite frankly i heard orla guerin views— frankly i heard orla guerin views are excellent, our senior international correspondent, i heard — international correspondent, i heard her— international correspondent, i heard her to lay on the bbc saying _ heard her to lay on the bbc saying exactly the same are completely different. Hezbollah has taken us here, this is what hezbollah _ has taken us here, this is what hezbollah wants to see. This is the human cost of this war. In some — the human cost of this war. In some ways, there is no exclusives in this, you just want — exclusives in this, you just want to— exclusives in this, you just want to tell the story as it is. Want to tell the story as it is bring _ want to tell the story as it is. Bring your listeners, readers _ is. Bring your listeners, readers viewers into where you are, _ readers viewers into where you are, what — readers viewers into where you are, what are your constraints around — are, what are your constraints around the _ are, what are your constraints around the dangers, editorial as well— around the dangers, editorial as well as real dangers. Get out alive _ as well as real dangers. Get out alive— out alive. Before we let you io, out alive. Before we let you no, it out alive. Before we let you go. It is _ out alive. Before we let you go, it is obviously _ out alive. Before we let you go, it is obviously about. Out alive. Before we let you go, it is obviously about to | out alive. Before we let you l go, it is obviously about to be a year since october seven and i wonder in terms of your reflections about what we have learned in that year, particularly about how the media covers this region? it has become — the media has become _ has become — the media has become the story. And notjust a story— become the story. And notjust a story but— become the story. And notjust a story but very, very very emotional story, a story fired up emotional story, a story fired up with— emotional story, a story fired up with anger. I think it is a defining _ up with anger. I think it is a defining moment for how much is the media — defining moment for how much is the media and the media is seen as a reflection of the wider world _ as a reflection of the wider world with many now discussing, criticising — world with many now discussing, criticising so—called double standards and it's very difficult for us at the bbc because we have these rules about — because we have these rules about don't show too much bloodshed, don't use certain kinds — bloodshed, don't use certain kinds of— bloodshed, don't use certain kinds of words, we have a certain— kinds of words, we have a certain language and as we heard — certain language and as we heard earlier, that in making those — heard earlier, that in making those choices, but we would regard — those choices, but we would regard as _ those choices, but we would regard as technical editorial issues — regard as technical editorial issues are seen as political issues _ issues are seen as political issues that we are not really teiiing — issues that we are not really telling the real story. Do you sometimes _ telling the real story. Do you sometimes wish _ telling the real story. Do you sometimes wish you telling the real story. Do you sometimes wish you could i telling the real story. Do you | sometimes wish you could say more?. , ~' sometimes wish you could say more?. , ,,. . , sometimes wish you could say more?. , ,,. . �* sometimes wish you could say more?. , ,, �*. , more? no, i think we can i'm a big believer— more? no, i think we can i'm a big believer in _ more? no, i think we can i'm a big believer in that _ more? no, i think we can i'm a big believer in that you more? no, i think we can i'm a big believer in that you can big believer in that you can find — big believer in that you can find ways to communicate the enormity— find ways to communicate the enormity and the intensity of an issue _ enormity and the intensity of an issue and sometimes, you know, _ an issue and sometimes, you know. I— an issue and sometimes, you know, i often say don't dramatise an already dramatic situation _ dramatise an already dramatic situation. One word cannot convey— situation. One word cannot convey the entire enormity of what — convey the entire enormity of what has _ convey the entire enormity of what has happened but a good story— what has happened but a good story well told is far more — has — story well told is far more — has far— story well told is far more — has far more impact than the particular— has far more impact than the particular language, so i think this has— particular language, so i think this has been a really salient time, — this has been a really salient time, most of all for the region. _ time, most of all for the region, including for journalists that i know you've done — journalists that i know you've done this— journalists that i know you've done this before and a record number— done this before and a record number ofjournalists killed, number of journalists killed, how— number of journalists killed, how palestinian journalists have — how palestinian journalists have stepped up to cover not 'ust have stepped up to cover not just what _ have stepped up to cover not just what is a major world story— just what is a major world story but— just what is a major world story but it is their own lives, _ story but it is their own lives, literally, on the line. And — lives, literally, on the line. And how— lives, literally, on the line. And how we are dependent on then— and how we are dependent on then so— and how we are dependent on then so much. And it's — it will— then so much. And it's — it will link— then so much. And it's — it will link _ then so much. And it's — it will link —— live long what has happened. _ will link —— live long what has happened, the way we have reported and act and, of course, _ reported and act and, of course, the way the world has acted — course, the way the world has acted in — course, the way the world has acted in this crisis. So much is being _ acted in this crisis. So much is being tested. — acted in this crisis. So much is being tested. Many thanks to the bbc's lyse _ is being tested. Many thanks to the bbc's lyse doucet. Is being tested. Many thanks to the bbc's lyse doucet. One is being tested. Many thanks to the bbc's lyse doucet. One of. The bbc's lyse doucet. One of the bbc's lyse doucet. One of the many tasks within the bbc's newsroom and many others around the world with the story of this nature is escalating is the verification of videos that are emerging, especially those posted on social media. And to understand that process, i've been speaking to my colleague from bbc verify shayan sardarizadeh. He's been explaining the work he did in the minutes and hours that followed around's attack on israel. ~. ,. , israel. We were waiting for it to happen — israel. We were waiting for it to happen and _ israel. We were waiting for it to happen and obviously israel. We were waiting for it | to happen and obviously when israel. We were waiting for it. To happen and obviously when it did happen, we started looking at the — did happen, we started looking at the sources we've got and the places we usually look for these — the places we usually look for these types of videos. Fortunately, in my case, i was ltorn— fortunately, in my case, i was born and — fortunately, in my case, i was born and raised in iran before i born and raised in iran before i moved — born and raised in iran before i moved to— born and raised in iran before i moved to the united kingdom so i i moved to the united kingdom so i know— i moved to the united kingdom so i know the source is pretty well — so i know the source is pretty well and _ so i know the source is pretty well and where to look when it comes— well and where to look when it comes to — well and where to look when it comes to an event that is directly— comes to an event that is directly linked to iran so i started _ directly linked to iran so i started checking videos coming from _ started checking videos coming from lran~ _ started checking videos coming from iran. It's really not an exaggeration to say within half—an—hour or maybe 45 minutes— half—an—hour or maybe 45 minutes of this sort of demand, we got — minutes of this sort of demand, we got the _ minutes of this sort of demand, we got the alert that iran had launched _ we got the alert that iran had launched these missiles, we had upwards— launched these missiles, we had upwards of i think 100 videos to look— upwards of i think 100 videos to look at. Because they were coming — to look at. Because they were coming in _ to look at. Because they were coming in thick and fast from different— coming in thick and fast from different parts of iran, people were — different parts of iran, people were basically pointing their smartphone cameras at the sky, seeing _ smartphone cameras at the sky, seeing what clearly looks like missiles _ seeing what clearly looks like missiles travelling in a certain— missiles travelling in a certain direction and pretty much — certain direction and pretty much interestingly, even with those — much interestingly, even with those videos, nighttime pitch black— those videos, nighttime pitch black because mostly, not always— black because mostly, not always but mostly, around places _ always but mostly, around places these missile laun