You are watchIng bbc news. Lets return to events on the fInal day of the Labour Party Conference In liverpool. In the last 30 mInutes, Health Secretary Wes StreetIng addressed the delegates. He has Insisted he wouldnt Back Down from his claim that The Nhs is broken, despite the bbc reportIng growIng unease about the government passed s messagIng. Lets take a listen to what he said. Governments messagIng. What he said. Governments messi people now expect charges for In ten people now expect charges for nhs care to be Introduced. Ive said it before, ill Say it agaIn, over my dead body. Applause we will always defend our nhs as a public service free at The PoInt of use, so that whenever you fall ill, you never have to worry about the bill. ~ , , you never have to worry about the bill. ~ , ,. bill. Wes streetIng there. Lets go to the conference bill. Wes streetIng there. Lets go to the conference itself bill. Wes streetIng there. Lets go to the conference itself and bill. Wes streetIng there. Lets go to the conference itself and speaki to the conference itself and speak to the conference itself and speak to our political correspondent alex forsyth. Alex, did Wes StreetIng Inject less Doom And Gloom then we have seen of late . Have seen of late . InterestIng that the Health Secretary have seen of late . InterestIng that the Health Secretary tried have seen of late . InterestIng that the Health Secretary tried to the Health Secretary tried to answer, head on, what the bbc has been reportIng this mornIng, which is some Criticism And Concern among Senior Nhs figures at the governments repeated use of that phrase that The Nhs is broken. The concern beIng that Might Dent Patients Confidence In The Nhs but rather than back away from that, Wes StreetIng did completely the opposite and said he wouldnt Back Down. We can talk to Professor Phil Banfield from the bma. Thank you very much forjoInIng us, i presume you are listenIng to the Health Secretarys speech . You are listenIng to the Health Secretarys speech . Yes. What did ou make Secretarys Speech . Yes. What did you make of Secretarys Speech . Yes. What did you make of the Secretarys Speech . Yes. What did you make of the decision from Wes StreetIng to repeat agaIn the phrase that The Nhs is broken. 0f StreetIng to repeat agaIn the phrase that The Nhs is broken. Of course, he would Say he also has the solution to fix it. The bma has used that phrase, as welt the bma has used that phrase, as Welt You the bma has used that phrase, as well. You dont need a politician or a Doctor well. You dont need a politician or a Doctor to well. You dont need a politician or a Doctor to tell you whats been goIng a Doctor to tell you whats been goIng on a Doctor to tell you whats been goIng on In a Doctor to tell you whats been goIng on In our nhs. Patients and relatives goIng on In our nhs. Patients and relatives have seen it for themselves. The Ambulance Queues and themselves. The Ambulance Queues and the lInes themselves. The Ambulance Queues and the lInes of themselves. The Ambulance Queues and the lInes of patients on trolleys In hospital the lInes of patients on trolleys In hospital corridors. It is also correct that it has been Run Down it is also correct that it has been Run Down it it is also correct that it has been Run Down. It is broken In many places but that is there to fix and we are there but that is there to fix and we are there to but that is there to fix and we are there to fix but that is there to fix and we are there to fix it. Gf but that is there to fix and we are there to fix it. But that is there to fix and we are there to fix it. Of course, what the Health Secretary there to fix it. Of course, what the Health Secretary has there to fix it. Of course, what the Health Secretary has said there to fix it. Of course, what the Health Secretary has said and there to fix it. Of course, what the | Health Secretary has said and what he said agaIn today In his speech at conferences that this is about reformIng The Nhs, Rather Thanjust puttIng more money In, do you agree with that approach . With that approach . Well, you need both. With that approach . Well, you need both there with that approach . Well, you need both. There isnt with that approach . Well, you need both. There isnt a with that approach . Well, you need both. There isnt a Doctor with that approach . Well, you need both. There isnt a Doctor or with that approach . Well, you need both. There isnt a Doctor or a both. There isnt a Doctor or a patient both. There isnt a Doctor or a patient that doesnt want to change In the patient that doesnt want to change In The Nhs. Want change. We are usIng In The Nhs. Want change. We are usIng computers that are way out of date usIng computers that are way out of date we usIng computers that are way out of date. We are hand writIng prescriptions. There are many different prescriptions. There are many different ways of deliverIng Health Care we are hampered both by our it and the ancient we are hampered both by our it and the ancient nature of some of our dilapidated buildIngs. What we do have is a dedicated workforce. We have seen the numbers of staff eroded we have seen the numbers of staff eroded Comedy Numbers of beds eroded, eroded Comedy Numbers of beds eroded, we are under provided for, compared eroded, we are under provided for, compared with comparable countries In europe compared with comparable countries In europe compared with comparable countries In europe eroded, the numbers of. It isa In europe eroded, the numbers of. It is a political In europe eroded, the numbers of. It is a political choice and it has been it is a political choice and it has been a it is a political choice and it has been a political choice over the last terr been a political choice over the last ten years and it is a political choice last ten years and it is a political choice to last ten years and it is a political choice to fix it. Choice to fix it. What about the time frame . Choice to fix it. What about the time frame . The choice to fix it. What about the time frame . The government i choice to fix it. What about the time frame . The government talks about a ten Year Plan for The Nhs. ComIng back to what has been a theme we have heard throughout this conference, that there are no quick fixes or easy solutions, but i wonder about the immediate. We are headIng Into wInter. In previous wInters, we have seen The Nhs under real straIn. WInters, we have seen The Nhs under realstraIn. If wInters, we have seen The Nhs under real straIn. If it is goIng to take ten years, can be Nhs Wait that long . Can The Nhs. Can The Nhs. We spend our time t In to can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do the can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do the best can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do the best we can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do the best we can can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do the best we can for can The Nhs. We spend our time tryIng to do the best we can for our| tryIng to do the best we can for our patients tryIng to do the best we can for our patients and those with greatest need patients and those with greatest need every day, day and night, 365 days of need every day, day and night, 365 days of the need every day, day and night, 365 days of the year. Broadly speakIng, we divide days of the year. Broadly speakIng, we divide Into elective care, where peopie we divide Into elective care, where people have got on the waitIng lists and emergency care. If you are very sick Irr And Emergency care. If you are very sick In this and emergency care. If you are very sick In this country, you cannot beat sick In this country, you cannot beat the sick In this country, you cannot beat The Nhs. And it is Incredibly, Incredibly important that people keep belief In The Nhs~ important that people keep belief In The Nhs. It is by far and away the best way The Nhs. It is by far and away the best way to spend our money. I thought best way to spend our money. I thought The PoInt made about havIng a hadonat thought The PoInt made about havIng a national care service, InvestIng and beIng a national care service, InvestIng and beIng able to get patients out of hospital, Into care, either In their of hospital, Into care, either In their own of hospital, Into care, either In their own homes or In community hospitals, their own homes or In community hospitals, hugely important. That is somethIng hospitals, hugely important. That is somethIng that can be done now. Professor somethIng that can be done now. Professor Phil Banfield from the bma, thank you very much forjoInIng us. Reaction to the Health Secretarys speech, Wes StreetIng, the first person this mornIng to take to the platform here On The Last Day of the Labour Party Conference. In liverpool. We will also hear speeches from the Education Secretary, Bridget Phillipson, the work and Pensions Secretary liz kendall. That one will be watched quite closely because one of the thIngs that has been bubblIng away here at the Party Conference is some concern and anger, even, but the governments can delete my decision to cut WInter Fuel payments for millions of pensioners. The Governments Decision. In one of the exhibition halls, with lots of stands and people millIng around, there was a protest by Unite The Union agaInst the Governments Decision to cut the WInter Fuel payment and they will be a vote on the Conference Floor on that later this mornIng. It wouldnt be a BIndIng Vote and it wouldnt mean the government would have to change its position but if the conference did express its concern at the governments approach, that would be very uncomfortable for mInisters. No sign that they will reverse their decision on that WInter Fuel payment cut. More broadly, we have heard the speech from Sir Keir Starmer, the prime mInister, yesterday before he left conference and went off to a meetIng of the Un General Assembly In new york. The message behInd Sir Keir Starmer s speech is that he wanted to level with the public. He was still talkIng about the difficult decisions that there would be and the Trade Offs that would come with National Renewal. Lets listen to what some of Keir Starmer has been talkIng about after he gave his conference speech. The has been talkIng about after he gave his conference speech. His conference speech. The first thIn i his conference speech. The first thIng i set his conference speech. The first thIng i set out his conference speech. The first thIng i set out In his conference speech. The first thIng i set out In my his conference speech. The first thIng i set out In my Speech His Conference speech. The first thIng i set out In my speech is l his conference speech. The first I ThIng i set out In my speech is the Change ThIng i set out In my speech is the change that has already happened. The Fact Change that has already happened. The fact that we have set up a national the fact that we have set up a national Wealth Fund to get Investment Into our country. We have launched Investment Into our country. We have launched Gb Investment Into our country. We have launched Gb Energy to make sure we can get launched Gb Energy to make sure we can get clean energy for the future. That we can get clean energy for the future. That we have taken steps to stabilisIng the economy. Today, obviously. StabilisIng the economy. Today, obviously, i was able to add to that by SayIng obviously, i was able to add to that by SayIng well enact the hillsborough law, for many of the Injustices hillsborough law, for many of the Injustices. Horizon, wIndrush, grenfeii Injustices. Horizon, wIndrush, grenfell tower. And i was able to announce that we will make sure that veterans who are homeless, Care Leavers who are homeless, and those that have suffered domestic abuse or are homeless, will be given a roof over their head. So the first thIng was really to set out the change that has already begun. Weve been busy these three months, but also there was a broader message which was, you know, this is goIng to be tough. There are difficult decisions along the way, and i need to level with you about how difficult it will be. But theres a purpose. There is light at the end of the tunnel because the britaIn we are buildIng will be a better britaIn, and we will make sure that livIng standards go up so people feel better off, our public services are functionIng properly, and our nhs is not have some just back on its feet, but fit for the future. All of those changes appear to be quite a long way In the distance. Are you askIng people to be very, very patient when maybe there isnt a lot of patience around . Well, the ones i announced today that weve already done are obviously already happenIng, so im really pleased that weve been able to get on with those early steps, so change has already begun. Were seeIng thIngs change. The big change In terms of the economy, the Health Service, yes, that will take time. And thats why i wanted to level with people, because what i dont want to Say is we can fix the economy by christmas, or that the Health Service will be completely fixed withIn a year. That is not a fair thIng to Say to voters. Ive got to Say to them its goIng to take time. But the reason were stabilisIng the economy, the reason we are goIng to reform The Nhs, is because we will deliver that better britaIn for you, because that, In the end, is what people voted for when they voted for a Labour Government. Three months In, is there anythIng youve done and youve looked back and thought, that was a mistake, i regret that, whether its the Way Youve handled somethIng or the Way Youve delivered the message about somethIng . Well, look, i thInk In any walk of life, there are daily thIngs that you look back on and Say, well, i would have done that differently. I wouldnt be human. Go on, for example . Im not goIng to go over a great list of that. I thInk anybody In any workIng environment, any family, will know, um, you know, In retrospect, perhaps id have done that differently. We all do that. What would you have done differently . Well, for me, the most important thIng is what do i wake up every day focused on and determIned to deliver . And im really pleased that weve made those early steps. Now In august, we obviously had an additional challenge, which i dont thInk anybody predicted, which was the disorder across the country that we had to deal with very rapidly and very effectively. And i had to make big asks of the police, of prosecutors, of crimInaljustice, to ensure that those that were on the streets Involved In thuggery went to prison as quickly as possible. Now, you know, thats three weeks, which i would have liked to use to focus on other thIngs, but it was necessary to restore calm, restore order. And we did it. Um, but weve still done a lot In the first three months. Theres a long way to go, but the most important thIng is, what do i wake up focused on . And i wake up focused on the job ive been given, which is to change our country for the better. That was Sir Keir Starmer speakIng to Saity That was Sir Keir Starmer speakIng to Sally Nugent from Bbc Breakfast this mornIng. You to Sally Nugent from Bbc Breakfast this mornIng to Sally Nugent from Bbc Breakfast this mornIng. You heard him talkIng about tradeoffs, this mornIng. You heard him talkIng about tradeoffs, askIng this mornIng. You heard him talkIng about tradeoffs, askIng people this mornIng. You heard him talkIng about tradeoffs, askIng people to l about Trade Offs, askIng people to stick with them as they get to where they Say they are goIng to end up which is a better place. He talked about the light at the end of the tunnel. There are some people SayIng, how long is the tunnel goIng to be before it gets a bit brighter at the end of it all . One of the Decision Siegemund has taken on one of the thIngs we have talked about a lot because it has come up a lot at the Labour Party Conference is a decision to cut the WInter Fuel payment for millions of pensioners. The Governments Argument is that it didnt have a choice because it found a Black Hole In the public fInances for this fInancial year and it had to make some difficult decisions around it. When SayIng the conservatives dispute that claim about the Black Hole. Some people at conference, particular unite union, which has been leadIng the charge on this, that thInk it is just the wrong decision. They are puttIng pressure on the government to budge on it. There will be a vote on it In the Conference Floor In the next couple of hours. It wont be bIndIng, wont force the government to change its position but at the conference suggests they thInk the government has taken the wrong decision, that will be pretty uncomfortable for mInisters. Sir Keir Starmer was asked about that WInter Fuel Payment Decision and we can hear what he had to Say. Can hear what he had to Say. Queen i wonder if one can hear what he had to Say. Queen i wonder if one day can hear what he had to Say. Queen i wonder if one day you can hear what he had to Say. Queen i wonder if one day you might can hear what he had to Say. Queen i wonder if one day you might regret i wonder if one day you might regret the decision to take away WInter Fuel allowance from 10 Million pensioners . I thInk the first thIng to Say about that, because i do understand why you put that to me and why people are concerned about it is, um, why did we even have to make this decision . And the answer to that is because we knew we were InheritIng a bad economy. But when we then audited the books, we found a 22 billion Black Hole unaccounted for by the last government off the books. And weve got to fix that this year. And