Two tory big hitters launch their campaign to become leader of The Party one focussed on policies, the other on principles. So what do badenoch and cleverly believe in . As the uk suspends some Arms Exports to israel, Hundreds Of Thousands of israelis take part in a general strike to call for a Hostage Deal. How much of a threat are both of those to Benjamin Netanyahus Grasp on power . Welcome to newsnight, where each weeknight we bring you interviews and insight. Tonight an interview with a supporter of kemi Badenochs Campaign to be tory leader, Chris Philp, and a relative of one of the hostages the Idf Say was Brutally Murdered by hamas in recent days. Your panel this evening former Shadow Culture Secretary and Shadow Leader of the commons, thangham debbonaire. And kwasi kwarteng, former Business Secretary and former chancellor. And nick is here. So, the two Launches Today for the would be tory leaders, tell us more . Of the contest finally coming alive and i have watched quite an of these contests for the leadership of the conservative party in recent decades and even when in opposition there is normally a reasonable amount of excitement but not so much for this one. Parliament back today and we had these lodges and last week we said would these candidates be willing to deliver tough messages to The Party . It turned out that both James Cleverly and Kemi Badenoch were willing to do that. Lets listen to what Kemi Badenoch had to say on whether we should be pulling out of the European Convention on human rights. Yes, some people think that we should leave the echr. But Why is it that other countries that are in the echr are deporting 70 , 80 of the people who come into their countries and were not able to . Because clearly leaving the echr will not be enough. Thats Why i dont want to throw that promise out there. Its another thing that we would end up doing that doesnt actually solve the problem. Youve got to look at the whole system. Sous, a firm no to the view put forward by robertjenrick and floated by another rival, Tom Tugendhat, that we should not pull out of the echr. James cleverly had a tough message, lets listen to what he have to say about what he was picking up on the doorstep during the general election. This infighting is killing you, i am not going to vote for you until you get your act together. Until you start actually acting as if you care about me rather than care about yourselves, im not going to vote for you. So lets do what they told us to do, which is stop messing about, the great mystery is what will happen . The great mystery is what will happen . The key thing to remember is who is happen . The key thing to remember is who is the happen . The key thing to remember is who is the electorate at The End of the contest it is the conservative party the contest it is the conservative party members and it is now conservative mps who will decide on the final conservative mps who will decide on the final two and one veteran of previous the final two and one veteran of previous contests said to me, they have previous contests said to me, they have never previous contests said to me, they have never known a Leadership Contest have never known a Leadership Contest where no candidate has failed contest where no candidate has failed to contest where no candidate has failed to pull ahead and they say it is all failed to pull ahead and they say it is all squelchy and there is a problem. Is all squelchy and there is a problem, there is a lack of Webbing Operation problem, there is a lack of Webbing Operation by Leadership Candidates and operation by Leadership Candidates ahd they operation by Leadership Candidates and they dont have one ahead and they said. And they dont have one ahead and they said. A and they dont have one ahead and they said, a proper Webbing Operation involves encouragement, Coercioh Operation involves encouragement, coercion and the destruction of your Opponent Coercion and the destruction of your O Onent . , coercion and the destruction of your O Onent . ,. , opponent kwasi kwarteng, in The End, opponent kwasi kwarteng, in The End. Members opponent kwasi kwarteng, in The End, members will opponent kwasi kwarteng, in The End, members will choose opponent kwasi kwarteng, in The End, members will choose your. Opponent kwasi kwarteng, in the i end, members will choose your next leader, is that concerning considering the last time it was Liz Truss . , u, considering the last time it was Liz Truss . ,. , ~. , , truss . You can talk a bit Liz Truss on the Members Truss . You can talk a bit Liz Truss on the members but truss . You can talk a bit Liz Truss on the members but this truss . You can talk a bit Liz Truss on the members but this is on the members but this is considered and long process and the problem considered and long process and the problem in considered and long process and the problem in 2022 was everything happened very quickly, boris left office. Happened very quickly, boris left office. He happened very quickly, boris left office, he was out on the 7th Of July but office, he was out on the 7th Of July but left in september and within july but left in september and within two months we had a new leader within two months we had a new leader. This process is much more drawnout. Leader. This process is much more drawn out, and No One has really putted drawn out, and No One has really pulled ahead. It drawnout, and No One has really pulled ahead pulled ahead. It will take more time. Pulled ahead. It will take more time there pulled ahead. It will take more time. There is pulled ahead. It will take more time. There is a pulled ahead. It will take more time. There is a better pulled ahead. It will take more time. There is a better chance | pulled ahead. It will take more i time. There is a better chance for scrutiny . Time. There is a better chance for scrutin . ,. ,. , scrutiny . There is more time for scrutiny . There is more time for Scrutiny And Scrutiny . There is more time for scrutiny and less scrutiny . There is more time for scrutiny and less time scrutiny . There is more time for scrutiny and less time for scrutiny . There is more time for i scrutiny and less time for impulsive judgments. At The End of the day, the leader judgments. At The End of the day, the leader will not be the prime minister. The leader will not be the prime minister, the leader will be the leader minister, the leader will be the leader of minister, the leader will be the Leader Of The Opposition and we will have to Leader Of The Opposition and we will have to have a whole Parliament Making have to have a whole Parliament Making his or her case. It is a much more making his or her case. It is a much more considered process this time. Than more considered process this time. Than was more considered process this time. Than was the case certainly in 2022 and 2019 than was the case certainly in 2022 and 2019. ,. , than was the case certainly in 2022 and 2019. ,. ,. , i. And 2019. Thangam debbonaire, do you think they need and 2019. Thangam debbonaire, do you think they need someone and 2019. Thangam debbonaire, do you think they need someone who and 2019. Thangam debbonaire, do you think they need someone who is and 2019. Thangam debbonaire, do you think they need someone who is very i think they need someone who is very different to Keir Starmer . Iii the different to Keir Starmer . If the conservative different to Keir Starmer . If the conservative party different to Keir Starmer . If the conservative party want different to Keir Starmer . If the conservative party want to different to Keir Starmer . If the conservative party want to do i conservative party want to do anything conservative party want to do anything at conservative party want to do anything at all. 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No party gets back into power examining Why did they lose. No party gets back into power by. Examining Why did they lose. No party gets back into power by saying the Voters Party gets back into power by saying the voters were party gets back into power by saying the voters were wrong party gets back into power by saying the voters were wrong and party gets back into power by saying the voters were wrong and we party gets back into power by saying the voters were wrong and we will. The voters were wrong and we will tell you the voters were wrong and we will tell you so the voters were wrong and we will tell you so until the voters were wrong and we will tell you so until you the voters were wrong and we will tell you so until you agree the voters were wrong and we will tell you so until you agree with i the voters were wrong and we will| tell you so until you agree with us. That gives tell you so until you agree with us. That gives us tell you so until you agree with us. That gives us a tell you so until you agree with us. That gives us a good tell you so until you agree with us. That gives us a good starting tell you so until you agree with us. | that gives us a good starting point. I am surprised atjust how they that gives us a good starting point. I am surprised at just how they have disowned. I am surprised at just how they have disowned, and how speedily they have disowned disowned, and how speedily they have disowned the previous government. It disowned the previous government. [it is a disowned the previous government. Is a tiny bit disowned the previous government. It is a tiny bit shameless. Kemi is a tiny bit shameless. Kemi badenoch is a tiny bit shameless. Kemi badenoch was is a tiny bit shameless. Kemi badenoch was there is a tiny bit shameless. Kemi badenoch was there until is a tiny bit shameless. Kemi J Badenoch was there until the is a tiny bit shameless. 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