officers are being scrutinised. welcome to newsnight for your weeknightly interviews and insight. let me introduce you to our political panel for this evening — claire ainsley, former head of policy for sir keir starmer, and henry hill, who is the acting editor of the tory website conservative home, plus dal babu, a former chief superintendent in the metropolitan police, and nick is here as always. nick, the betting scandal has widened today — and here at newsnight we have new revelations to bring to our audience this evening. i have been looking at this. well, i have been looking into this and have learnt of a series or developments covering the conservative party, and the labour party. in my investigation i have found out that... up to 15 conservative party candidates and officials are being scrutinised for alleged betting on the timing of the election. also craig williams is expected to be interviewed this week by gambling commission officials. and the labour party made a mistake in its raffle for party supporters. but of these organisations saying in response? the conservative party what they are saying to us as they have a say 20 are cooperating with the gambling commission. they are unable to comment on how many candidates or officials may have been approached by the gambling commission and they say they already hearing a simple reason for that, there's only one named person in any political party who is allowed to deal with the gambling commission and they are not allowed to tell anyone including colleagues in their party about what they may or may not have happened. what happens is the gambling commission would approach that named person and so would say, is considered a official be on your payroll, is it one of yours, they will say yes or no, provider details and in the commission will approach that person. they would then site you are under investigation. the party then doesn't hear any more but what is interesting about that is at the time the gambling commission do that they have to notify the police. what is interesting is tory sources are saying all these names are coming to them when they are approached byjournalists. which is why you saw in the daily telegraph today said there is a believing conservative the police are making those names, firmly denied by the police. the labour party are admitting they did make a mistake, they believe it is a very minor site on their apple. this is open to members of the party over the age of 18 to raise funds for the party. what they are saying is in terms conditions for that raffle they did say you could enter it for free. that should have been repeated on the cover letter that went out and it wasn't. so they agreed with the gambling commission that was a mistake and i sent an e—mail after party members making that absolutely you can do this for free. it has been quite — you can do this for free. it has been quite a _ you can do this for free. it has been quite a dramatic - you can do this for free. it has been quite a dramatic day, . you can do this for free. it has - been quite a dramatic day, various developments.— developments. quite a few developments. _ developments. quite a few developments. we - developments. quite a few developments. we will. developments. quite a few developments. we will run 1 developments. quite a few- developments. we will run through them. firstly the conservative party withdrew its support from two candidates, the two candidates we knew were being looked into by the gambling commission, a lot of criticism of the prime minister that he was not doing anything about it. both craig williams the candidate in montgomeryshire and laura saunders the candidate in bristol north west are being looked into by the gambling commission. there is a full list of candidates in those constituencies on the bbc website. this evening we learned a conservative member of the web sennedd who sits for the same area as craig williams stood down for the conservative shadow front bench after being informed he is facing an investigation, russell george, he is saying he will cooperate fully without inquiry. earlier this evening labour suspended its parliamentary candidate kevin craig after being told the gambling commission have launched an investigation into him. mr craig wrote on x that he put on the tories to win the seats that he is contesting and he said his intention, he did do some time ago, was to give any winnings to local charities. it was to give any winnings to local charities. ., , �* charities. it doesn't end there. i have also _ charities. it doesn't end there. i have also learned _ charities. it doesn't end there. i have also learned craig - charities. it doesn't end there. i | have also learned craig williams charities. it doesn't end there. i - have also learned craig williams the former close aide to rishi sunak lost the participatory is expected to be interviewed this week by the commission. mr 0wens was a video tape to voters and here's. an error of judgment. not an offence. i want to reiterate my apology directly to you. i'm fully cooperating with the routine inquiries from the gambling commission and i intend to clear my name. in all these things, due process is important and that is what sets the uk apart from other countries. the commission must be allowed to do its work. in terms of the commission doing its work, there is expected to be a meeting on friday between the gambling commission and the metropolitan police about when of rishi sunak�*s is protection officers who was arrested last week and placed on respective duties over claims over election betting. the officer was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office. there are many strengths of this, some seem incredibly serious, potentially using inside information, some less so, so how do we distinguish between the trans? fin so, so how do we distinguish between the trans? . ., , ., the trans? on that raffle thing for the trans? on that raffle thing for the labour _ the trans? on that raffle thing for the labour party, _ the trans? on that raffle thing for the labour party, they _ the trans? on that raffle thing for the labour party, they believe - the trans? on that raffle thing forl the labour party, they believe that minor and the gambling commission regard it as minor because i got on the terms and conditions you can do to people it was on the cover letter. they have dealt with it. only bets, we are basically talking 0nly bets, we are basically talking about two sorts of bits. 0ne 0nly bets, we are basically talking about two sorts of bits. one set of some seem to be problematic for people who may have placed them, another set of and also problematic. the first ones problematic as those people who allegedly placed a bet on a july election are around about the time i was earning but it was getting into the water of westminster is in may, so the gambling commission is looking at anyone who placed a bet that would have yielded a win of 199 or above, place that bet onjuly election in may. that could be problematic because that is potentially based on insider information. the second set of bets are not so legally problematic. kevin craig the labour candidate who did what many candidates do, it started out the campaign and went i think i am a pretty hopeless cause, i will place a bet. that wasn't based i imagine he would argue on inside intelligence but given the climate we are in the labour party has decided to suspend him. then there is the case of alisterjack, the scotland secretary in rishi sunak�*s cabinet. he has been going around joking that he placed a bet and made quite a bit of money on it. our very good colleaguejoe pike producer alisterjack and he sort of said, i haven't done anything wrong. as i understand it, in conservative circles, alisterjack put £5 understand it, in conservative circles, alisterjack put e5 in march at 25—1 on a summer election. alisterjack is saying he is not under investigation and he hasn't done anything wrong because what the gambling commission is doing is looking at bets that were placed in may around about the time the prime minister did his decision. alister jack's bet was in march and what appears to have happened did it as an open secret at westminster that alisterjack has sought for a long time should be a summer election and what he appeared to be doing was, this is my view about what should happen, i will place a bit, no inside knowledge.— happen, i will place a bit, no inside knowledge. there is a lot to absorb. it inside knowledge. there is a lot to absorb- it is _ inside knowledge. there is a lot to absorb. it is probing _ inside knowledge. there is a lot to absorb. it is probing an _ inside knowledge. there is a lot to absorb. it is probing an issue - inside knowledge. there is a lot to absorb. it is probing an issue that| absorb. it is probing an issue that will come up tomorrow evening in the last debate of the election campaign, with rishi sunak and keir starmer going head—to—head in nottingham. they'll be answering your questions and making their arguments for why they should be the next uk prime minster. the prime ministerial debate from nottingham. tomorrow evening from 8.15, on bbc one and iplayer. let's talk now to former metropolitan police chief superintendent dal babu, and our panellists claire ainsley and henry hill. there is a lot to take in. your reaction first of all, dal, does it tell anything about the political and police class in this country are not? i and police class in this country are not? ., ., , , ., not? i am exhausted listening to that summary- — not? i am exhausted listening to that summary. there _ not? i am exhausted listening to that summary. there is - not? i am exhausted listening to that summary. there is huge - not? i am exhausted listening to - that summary. there is huge amount to seven. this is about trust, it goes to the heart of trust. the two organisations that struggle with getting trust back our politicians and the police. we have seen a very different response to allegations made against police officers which have resulted in a rest and interviewing out individual and we have had rishi sunak dragged kicking and screaming to relinquish his support for the candidates. i think that says a lot about how individuals are treating these incidents but these are serious incidents but these are serious incidents because it is about trust and that lack of trust stop the medicine journey to try and retrieve trust and i think this will be a massive knock to thatjourney trust and i think this will be a massive knock to that journey for the met. massive knock to that “ourney for the met. �* . . massive knock to that “ourney for the met. �* , , the met. let's remember innocent until proven _ the met. let's remember innocent until proven guilty, _ the met. let's remember innocent until proven guilty, a _ the met. let's remember innocent until proven guilty, a long - the met. let's remember innocent until proven guilty, a long way - the met. let's remember innocent until proven guilty, a long way to l until proven guilty, a long way to go. rishi sunak and his ministers who have been defending the fact that there were still supporting those two candidates, even up until last night on newsnight with gillian keegan saying it was due process, the conservative party has lost its own inquiry they were telling us yesterday for the first time and they said today they have gone through the due process, why are you laughing? through the due process, why are you lau~ahin ? , ., through the due process, why are you lau~ahin? ., laughing? there where you are simmering _ laughing? there where you are simmering it — laughing? there where you are simmering it is _ laughing? there where you are simmering it is accurate - laughing? there where you are simmering it is accurate but. laughing? there where you are i simmering it is accurate but quite bleak. i simmering it is accurate but quite bleak. ., , ., ., , , ., bleak. i thought you were lapping at their defence _ bleak. i thought you were lapping at their defence of _ bleak. i thought you were lapping at their defence of it, _ bleak. i thought you were lapping at their defence of it, they _ bleak. i thought you were lapping at their defence of it, they say - bleak. i thought you were lapping at their defence of it, they say they - their defence of it, they say they checked with the gambling commission today, it won't compete on the investigation, that's why they come to this conclusion of withdrawing support, do you buy that? i suppose i can't support, do you buy that? i suppose i can't disprove _ support, do you buy that? i suppose i can't disprove it. _ support, do you buy that? i suppose i can't disprove it. i— support, do you buy that? i suppose i can't disprove it. i would _ support, do you buy that? i suppose i can't disprove it. i would say - i can't disprove it. i would say basically what has happened is the pressure has gotten tolerable and we have seen time and again unfortunately with rishi sunak and borisjohnson there was a queer thing to do here politically speaking, which was which support immediately. if it turns out they clear their names then wonderful, you can say if craig is elected and decreases nine, we will welcome him back into the party with open arms but for now we will woodrow support and there's always tension with political things when things are being investigated because they don't sometimes get this sort of due process protection you would get if you were employed in a normaljob. the political parties are under pressure to act but that is politics. ultimately at the end of the day the job of political parties are to maintain public confidence and that does sometimes seem you have to treat someone slightly brutally and withdraw support in the middle of an election because that is yourjob as prime minister. speaking to conservative activists and campaigners up and down the country they are absolutely furious because there was already no love lost between them and the leadership of the centre party already with the surprise election and everything else. and now all the people who have been giving up their weekends and evenings to try and return conservative mps found out some of the people at the very top of cchq have been slaving for a tiny amount, tawdry bits, absolutely livid, conservative activists are furious. claire ainsley, did care summer to the right thing in booting kevin craig out today? he the right thing in booting kevin craig out today?— the right thing in booting kevin craig out today? he took really ruick and craig out today? he took really quick and decisive _ craig out today? he took really quick and decisive action - craig out today? he took really quick and decisive action in - quick and decisive action in contrast— quick and decisive action in contrast to _ quick and decisive action in contrast to the _ quick and decisive action in contrast to the way - quick and decisive action in contrast to the way rishi . quick and decisive action in- contrast to the way rishi sunak took some _ contrast to the way rishi sunak took sometime _ contrast to the way rishi sunak took some time to — contrast to the way rishi sunak took some time to come _ contrast to the way rishi sunak took some time to come to— contrast to the way rishi sunak took some time to come to a _ contrast to the way rishi sunak took some time to come to a decision - contrast to the way rishi sunak tookl some time to come to a decision that most _ some time to come to a decision that most of— some time to come to a decision that most of us _ some time to come to a decision that most of us would _ some time to come to a decision that most of us would have _ some time to come to a decision that most of us would have thought - some time to come to a decision that most of us would have thought to - most of us would have thought to take on— most of us would have thought to take on the — most of us would have thought to take on the get— most of us would have thought to take on the get go. _ most of us would have thought to take on the get go. we _ most of us would have thought to take on the get go. we are - most of us would have thought to take on the get go. we are in- most of us would have thought to take on the get go. we are in the| take on the get go. we are in the middle _ take on the get go. we are in the middle of— take on the get go. we are in the middle of an— take on the get go. we are in the middle of an election _ take on the get go. we are in the middle of an election and - take on the get go. we are in the middle of an election and in - take on the get go. we are in the middle of an election and in a - take on the get go. we are in the . middle of an election and in a week the party— middle of an election and in a week the party will— middle of an election and in a week the party will have _ middle of an election and in a week the party will have to _ middle of an election and in a week the party will have to put _ middle of an election and in a week the party will have to put forward . the party will have to put forward these _ the party will have to put forward these as — the party will have to put forward these as a — the party will have to put forward these as a candidate _ the party will have to put forward these as a candidate or— the party will have to put forward these as a candidate or not, - the party will have to put forward these as a candidate or not, you i these as a candidate or not, you don't _ these as a candidate or not, you don't have — these as a candidate or not, you don't have time _ these as a candidate or not, you don't have time to _ these as a candidate or not, you don't have time to waste - these as a candidate or not, you don't have time to waste in- these as a candidate or not, you i don't have time to waste in these sorts— don't have time to waste in these sorts of— don't have time to waste in these sorts of circumstances. _ don't have time to waste in these sorts of circumstances. i - don't have time to waste in these sorts of circumstances. i think. don't have time to waste in these sorts of circumstances. i think iti sorts of circumstances. i think it told us — sorts of circumstances. i think it told us a — sorts of circumstances. i think it told us a lot _ sorts of circumstances. i think it told us a lot-— told us a lot. what rules is that kevin craig _ told us a lot. what rules is that kevin craig break, _ told us a lot. what rules is that kevin craig break, what - told us a lot. what rules is that kevin craig break, what did - told us a lot. what rules is that kevin craig break, what did he| told us a lot. what rules is that l kevin craig break, what did he do wrong? kevin craig break, what did he do wron: ? . . kevin craig break, what did he do wron. ? , ., ., kevin craig break, what did he do wron? , ., ., ., ., ., , wrong? these are all allegations, but let's say _ wrong? these are all allegations, but let's say hypothetically - but let's say hypothetically somebody— but let's say hypothetically somebody bets _ but let's say hypothetically somebody bets against - but let's say hypothetically- somebody bets against themselves. that is— somebody bets against themselves. that is what — somebody bets against themselves. that is what he _ somebody bets against themselves. that is what he says. _ somebody bets against themselves. that is what he says. if— somebody bets against themselves. that is what he says.— that is what he says. if you bet auainst that is what he says. if you bet against himself, _ that is what he says. if you bet against himself, and _ that is what he says. if you bet against himself, and in - that is what he says. if you bet against himself, and in politics| against himself, and in politics what _ against himself, and in politics what you — against himself, and in politics what you are _ against himself, and in politics what you are doing _ against himself, and in politics what you are doing is- against himself, and in politics what you are doing is here - against himself, and in politics i what you are doing is here asking activists— what you are doing is here asking activists to — what you are doing is here asking activists to go _ what you are doing is here asking activists to go out _ what you are doing is here asking activists to go out every - what you are doing is here asking activists to go out every weekend and evening. _ activists to go out every weekend and evening, the _ activists to go out every weekend and evening, the party— activists to go out every weekend and evening, the party pudsey. activists to go out every weekend i and evening, the party pudsey board as the _ and evening, the party pudsey board as the candidate, _ and evening, the party pudsey board as the candidate, you _ and evening, the party pudsey board as the candidate, you can _ and evening, the party pudsey board as the candidate, you can have - and evening, the party pudsey board as the candidate, you can have a - as the candidate, you can have a conflict—of—interest _ as the candidate, you can have a conflict—of—interest weather - as the candidate, you can have a conflict—of—interest weather you | as the candidate, you can have a - conflict—of—interest weather you bet against _ conflict—of—interest weather you bet against yourself. _ conflict—of—interest weather you bet against yourself, that _ conflict—of—interest weather you bet against yourself, that seems - conflict—of—interest weather you bet against yourself, that seems to - conflict—of—interest weather you bet against yourself, that seems to be i against yourself, that seems to be pretty— against yourself, that seems to be pretty obvious _ against yourself, that seems to be pretty obvious that _ against yourself, that seems to be pretty obvious that you _ against yourself, that seems to be pretty obvious that you come - against yourself, that seems to be pretty obvious that you come to i pretty obvious that you come to that, _ pretty obvious that you come to that. whether— pretty obvious that you come to that, whether it _ pretty obvious that you come to that, whether it is— pretty obvious that you come to that, whether it is against - pretty obvious that you come to that, whether it is against rulesj pretty obvious that you come to i that, whether it is against rules or the law. _ that, whether it is against rules or the law. it — that, whether it is against rules or the law. it is — that, whether it is against rules or the law, it is about— that, whether it is against rules or the law, it is about conflict- that, whether it is against rules or the law, it is about conflict of- the law, it is about conflict of interest. _ the law, it is about conflict of interest, and— the law, it is about conflict of interest, and if— the law, it is about conflict of interest, and if there - the law, it is about conflict of interest, and if there is- the law, it is about conflict of interest, and if there is any. the law, it is about conflict of- interest, and if there is any other walk— interest, and if there is any other walk of— interest, and if there is any other walk of like — interest, and if there is any other walk of like someone _ interest, and if there is any other walk of like someone would - interest, and if there is any other walk of like someone would havej interest, and if there is any other- walk of like someone would have been suspended _ walk of like someone would have been suspended immediately. _ walk of like someone would have been suspended immediately. keuin - walk of like someone would have been suspended immediately.— suspended immediately. kevin craig sa s suspended immediately. kevin craig says throughout _ suspended immediately. kevin craig says throughout my _ suspended immediately. kevin craig says throughout my life _ suspended immediately. kevin craig says throughout my life whether - suspended immediately. kevin craig says throughout my life whether i i says throughout my life whether i have enjoyed a few fun i thought i would put a bet on the tories with the intention of doing any winnings local charities, while i didn't place a bet with any prior knowledge of the outcome this is a huge mistake for which i apologise unreservedly. do you think your summer to the right thing? politically absolutely. you have to control story, sometimes politics is a beautiful business and i'm concerned about this bit, no. if this was a close race under evidence he was trying to it, turn himself in the gambling commission, this would be one thing, everyone knows what it is, this is an emotional hedge. he has the thankless task of being a candidate for a few weeks and you place it bet but starmer did the right thing because in politics you had to act decisively because what matters is notjust the action but the context in which the action is playing out and if there is a gambling story dominating an election that matters. something interesting. _ election that matters. something interesting, young _ election that matters. something interesting, young and _ election that matters. something i interesting, young and non-iphone, election that matters. something - interesting, young and non-iphone, i interesting, young and non—iphone, i should _ interesting, young and non—iphone, i should apologise to our wonderful panellist _ should apologise to our wonderful panellist that was looking at my phone. — panellist that was looking at my phone, very rude of me. what we said 'ust phone, very rude of me. what we said just over— phone, very rude of me. what we said just over there has sparked a bit of a row _ just over there has sparked a bit of a row a _ just over there has sparked a bit of a row. a labour source has been in touch— a row. a labour source has been in touch with — a row. a labour source has been in touch with me saying the conservatives are being completely disingenuous in saying they are not able to— disingenuous in saying they are not able to comment on a shape or form. because _ able to comment on a shape or form. because they come at the labour party. _ because they come at the labour party, were told by the gambling commission but once official notice had been _ commission but once official notice had been released, of investigation had been released, of investigation had gone _ had been released, of investigation had gone to individual in their case it was— had gone to individual in their case it was kevin— had gone to individual in their case it was kevin craig, once it had happened. _ it was kevin craig, once it had happened, you could talk about it publicly — happened, you could talk about it publicly. the labour view is what we were reporting over there is a conservative view, they are saying it was _ conservative view, they are saying it was a _ conservative view, they are saying it was a labour party is concerned for politicians to be betting, whether it's against the law, section 42 of the gambling act means it is cheating but whether it is strictly unlawful, it is a bad look when politicians are abetting for themselves or against each other. it smells, it stinks. it themselves or against each other. it smells, it stinks.— smells, it stinks. it depends on our smells, it stinks. it depends on your point _ smells, it stinks. it depends on your point of— smells, it stinks. it depends on your point of view. _ smells, it stinks. it depends on your point of view. i _ smells, it stinks. it depends on your point of view. i don't - smells, it stinks. it depends on your point of view. i don't want | smells, it stinks. it depends on i your point of view. i don't want to be flippant but how far do you take it? are you saying they can't bet on the national? i’m it? are you saying they can't bet on the national?— the national? i'm talking about elections- _ the national? i'm talking about elections. right, _ the national? i'm talking about elections. right, political- the national? i'm talking aboutj elections. right, political bets. this is about _ elections. right, political bets. this is about the _ elections. right, political bets. this is about the integrity - elections. right, political bets. this is about the integrity of i elections. right, political bets. | this is about the integrity of the system when people have low levels of trust in politicians and people are either betting for themselves or others and there must be some information that people have been privy to where you have such a huge spike in bets. it doesn't smell right, it doesn't look right and i think the public will be outraged to see politicians doing this. no matter what excuse they make. you need to distinguish, the original scandal. — need to distinguish, the original scandal. the _ need to distinguish, the original scandal, the problematic- need to distinguish, the original scandal, the problematic bets. need to distinguish, the original. scandal, the problematic bets was essentially— scandal, the problematic bets was essentially insider— scandal, the problematic bets was essentially insider trading, - scandal, the problematic bets was essentially insider trading, people who had _ essentially insider trading, people who had privileged _ essentially insider trading, people who had privileged information . essentially insider trading, people | who had privileged information and used it— who had privileged information and used it to _ who had privileged information and used it to make _ who had privileged information and used it to make a _ who had privileged information and used it to make a bet— who had privileged information and used it to make a bet which - who had privileged information and used it to make a bet which is- used it to make a bet which is illegal— used it to make a bet which is illegal on— used it to make a bet which is illegal on top _ used it to make a bet which is illegal on top of— used it to make a bet which is illegal on top of everything i used it to make a bet which is. illegal on top of everything else. an allegation. _ illegal on top of everything else. an allegation, but _ illegal on top of everything else. an allegation, but if— illegal on top of everything else. an allegation, but if they - illegal on top of everything else. an allegation, but if they did - illegal on top of everything else. an allegation, but if they did it, i an allegation, but if they did it, that's— an allegation, but if they did it, that's one — an allegation, but if they did it, that's one thing. _ an allegation, but if they did it, that's one thing. the _ an allegation, but if they did it, that's one thing. the idea - an allegation, but if they did it, that's one thing. the idea of- an allegation, but if they did it, . that's one thing. the idea of saying that's one thing. the idea of saying that if_ that's one thing. the idea of saying that if you — that's one thing. the idea of saying that if you are _ that's one thing. the idea of saying that if you are a _ that's one thing. the idea of saying that if you are a candidate - that's one thing. the idea of saying that if you are a candidate and - that's one thing. the idea of saying that if you are a candidate and youi that if you are a candidate and you place _ that if you are a candidate and you place a _ that if you are a candidate and you place a bet — that if you are a candidate and you place a bet on _ that if you are a candidate and you place a bet on yourself _ that if you are a candidate and you place a bet on yourself at - that if you are a candidate and you place a bet on yourself at 50—1, i that if you are a candidate and you place a bet on yourself at 50—1, is| place a bet on yourself at 50—1, is that a _ place a bet on yourself at 50—1, is that a problem? _ place a bet on yourself at 50—1, is that a problem? if— place a bet on yourself at 50-1, is that a problem?— that a problem? if you were a sportsperson _ that a problem? if you were a sportsperson and _ that a problem? if you were a sportsperson and you - that a problem? if you were a sportsperson and you were i that a problem? if you were a i sportsperson and you were involved in a boxing match and you were going to get a spanking and you decided to bet against yourself... i to get a spanking and you decided to bet against yourself. . .— bet against yourself... i don't think it is _ bet against yourself... i don't think it is comparable - bet against yourself... i don't| think it is comparable because bet against yourself... i don't i think it is comparable because an election— think it is comparable because an election isn't— think it is comparable because an election isn't in— think it is comparable because an election isn't in your— think it is comparable because an election isn't in your control. i think it is comparable because an election isn't in your control. youj election isn't in your control. you can throw— election isn't in your control. you can throw a — election isn't in your control. you can throw a boxing _ election isn't in your control. you can throw a boxing match. - election isn't in your control. you can throw a boxing match. if i election isn't in your control. you can throw a boxing match. if it'si election isn't in your control. you| can throw a boxing match. if it's a contest _ can throw a boxing match. if it's a contest you — can throw a boxing match. if it's a contest you are _ can throw a boxing match. if it's a contest you are not _ can throw a boxing match. if it's a contest you are not particularly i contest you are not particularly involved — contest you are not particularly involved in _ contest you are not particularly involved in and _ contest you are not particularly involved in and someone - contest you are not particularly involved in and someone is- contest you are not particularly i involved in and someone is putting a bet on _ involved in and someone is putting a bet on themselves _ involved in and someone is putting a bet on themselves to _ involved in and someone is putting a bet on themselves to win _ involved in and someone is putting a bet on themselves to win it, - involved in and someone is putting a bet on themselves to win it, i - involved in and someone is putting a bet on themselves to win it, i don't. bet on themselves to win it, i don't fit that's— bet on themselves to win it, i don't fit that's a — bet on themselves to win it, i don't fit that's a problem. _ bet on themselves to win it, i don't fit that's a problem. it _ bet on themselves to win it, i don't fit that's a problem. it hasn't - fit that's a problem. it hasn't created — fit that's a problem. it hasn't created a _ fit that's a problem. it hasn't created a misalignment i fit that's a problem. it hasn't created a misalignment of i created a misalignment of incentives. _ created a misalignment of incentives, they— created a misalignment of incentives, they have i created a misalignment of i incentives, they have unused created a misalignment of _ incentives, they have unused insider information — incentives, they have unused insider information we _ incentives, they have unused insider information. we shouldn't— incentives, they have unused insider information. we shouldn't take i incentives, they have unused insider information. we shouldn't take a i information. we shouldn't take a genuine. — information. we shouldn't take a genuine, serious— information. we shouldn't take a genuine, serious allegation i information. we shouldn't take a genuine, serious allegation to i information. we shouldn't take a i genuine, serious allegation to turn it into _ genuine, serious allegation to turn it into a _ genuine, serious allegation to turn it into a broader, _ genuine, serious allegation to turn it into a broader, hazy— genuine, serious allegation to turn it into a broader, hazy matter. it. it into a broader, hazy matter. [i is it into a broader, hazy matter. is right to be careful in how it into a broader, hazy matter.- is right to be careful in how theirs is right to be careful in how theirs is being _ is right to be careful in how theirs is being reported. clearly there's a difference — is being reported. clearly there's a difference between some of the allegations being made, and for instance. — allegations being made, and for instance, the raffle. there's clearly— instance, the raffle. there's clearly a _ instance, the raffle. there's clearly a difference between those things _ clearly a difference between those things. with trust in politics being so low— things. with trust in politics being so low we — things. with trust in politics being so low we don't want to tarnish everyone — so low we don't want to tarnish everyone with the same brush. clearly— everyone with the same brush. clearly an— everyone with the same brush. clearly an issue has originated. this one. — clearly an issue has originated. this one. it— clearly an issue has originated. this one, it is the conservatives and sunak— this one, it is the conservatives and sunak has failed to act quickly enough _ and sunak has failed to act quickly enough. looking at the respect of the voters. — enough. looking at the respect of the voters, that's what they'll be worried — the voters, that's what they'll be worried about, not the generalised issue _ worried about, not the generalised issue. i�*m — worried about, not the generalised issue. �* ., ., , ., worried about, not the generalised issue. �* ., ., y., ., issue. i'm going to remind you about azir ali, issue. i'm going to remind you about azir ali. the — issue. i'm going to remind you about azir ali, the labour _ issue. i'm going to remind you about azir ali, the labour candidate - issue. i'm going to remind you about azir ali, the labour candidate in i azir ali, the labour candidate in rochdale, who wasn't immediately suspended when he had blamed israel for the october seven attacks and again, a by—election coming up and lisa nandy was campaigning with him on the sunday when the story emerged on the sunday when the story emerged on the sunday when the story emerged on the saturday. by monday afternoon he had gone. on the saturday. by monday afternoon he had gone-— he had gone. that's right, that took two da s, he had gone. that's right, that took two days. over _ he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the _ he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the course _ he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the course of - he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the course of the i two days, over the course of the weekend. — two days, over the course of the weekend, to play through. it is right— weekend, to play through. it is right to — weekend, to play through. it is right to hold our election candidates to that kind of standard and l _ candidates to that kind of standard and i don't — candidates to that kind of standard and i don't think the fact that votersm _ and i don't think the fact that voters- - -_ and i don't think the fact that voters... . , . and i don't think the fact that voters... ., ,~ voters... some are very cross about it but others — voters... some are very cross about it but others are _ voters... some are very cross about it but others are saying, _ voters. .. some are very cross about it but others are saying, for- it but others are saying, for goodness' sake, the cost of living, the nhs, etc. we talk about those issues every night on newsnight. this happens to be the story today. we have new information we are bringing to the audience exclusively. but not everyone is bothered about it. i exclusively. but not everyone is bothered about it.— exclusively. but not everyone is bothered about it. i travelled here in a taxi and _ bothered about it. i travelled here in a taxi and the _ bothered about it. i travelled here in a taxi and the driver— bothered about it. i travelled here in a taxi and the driver said i bothered about it. i travelled here in a taxi and the driver said to i bothered about it. i travelled here| in a taxi and the driver said to me, this is shocking. he said that these people have got loads of money, they aren't like us, struggling to make a living. he said he finishes work at 2am. it is shocking. that is one individual who feels very angry. but michael gove made a similar point in the sunday times at the weekend, drawing parallels with partygate, the perception that there is one rule for one lot of people and another for the rest.- another for the rest. yeah absolutely _ another for the rest. yeah absolutely and _ another for the rest. yeah absolutely and it - another for the rest. yeah absolutely and it is - another for the rest. yeah absolutely and it is the i absolutely and it is the conservatives's - absolutely and it is the conservatives's own i absolutely and it is the i conservatives's own fault absolutely and it is the - conservatives's own fault that absolutely and it is the _ conservatives's own fault that this has dominated _ conservatives's own fault that this has dominated the _ conservatives's own fault that this has dominated the media - conservatives's own fault that this i has dominated the media coverage for so long _ has dominated the media coverage for so long because — has dominated the media coverage for so long because rishi _ has dominated the media coverage for so long because rishi sunak— has dominated the media coverage for so long because rishi sunak could i so long because rishi sunak could have acted — so long because rishi sunak could have acted faster. _ so long because rishi sunak could have acted faster. this _ so long because rishi sunak could have acted faster. this was - have acted faster. this was potentially _ have acted faster. this was potentially an _ have acted faster. this was potentially an opportunity. have acted faster. this was l potentially an opportunity for have acted faster. this was - potentially an opportunity for him to show— potentially an opportunity for him to show leadership, _ potentially an opportunity for him to show leadership, to— potentially an opportunity for him to show leadership, to draw- potentially an opportunity for him to show leadership, to draw thatl to show leadership, to draw that line and — to show leadership, to draw that line and to — to show leadership, to draw that line and to be _ to show leadership, to draw that line and to be the _ to show leadership, to draw that line and to be the leader- to show leadership, to draw that line and to be the leader who i to show leadership, to draw that i line and to be the leader who took action— line and to be the leader who took action and — line and to be the leader who took action and instead, _ line and to be the leader who took action and instead, just _ line and to be the leader who took action and instead, just like - line and to be the leader who took action and instead, just like borisl action and instead, just like boris johnson _ action and instead, just like boris johnson before _ action and instead, just like boris johnson before him, _ action and instead, just like boris johnson before him, he _ action and instead, just like boris johnson before him, he failed i action and instead, just like boris johnson before him, he failed toi johnson before him, he failed to act, johnson before him, he failed to act. he — johnson before him, he failed to act. he ended _ johnson before him, he failed to act, he ended up— johnson before him, he failed to act, he ended up looking - johnson before him, he failed to act, he ended up looking like i johnson before him, he failed to act, he ended up looking like hej johnson before him, he failed to i act, he ended up looking like he was being _ act, he ended up looking like he was being forced — act, he ended up looking like he was being forced to — act, he ended up looking like he was being forced to act _ act, he ended up looking like he was being forced to act and _ act, he ended up looking like he was being forced to act and as _ act, he ended up looking like he was being forced to act and as a - act, he ended up looking like he was being forced to act and as a result i being forced to act and as a result the story— being forced to act and as a result the story has— being forced to act and as a result the story has dragged _ being forced to act and as a result the story has dragged on - being forced to act and as a result the story has dragged on for- being forced to act and as a resultl the story has dragged on for what, being forced to act and as a result i the story has dragged on for what, a week— the story has dragged on for what, a week at— the story has dragged on for what, a week at this — the story has dragged on for what, a week at this point. _ the story has dragged on for what, a week at this point. this _ the story has dragged on for what, a week at this point. this is _ the story has dragged on for what, a week at this point. this is the - the story has dragged on for what, a week at this point. this is the time i week at this point. this is the time in the _ week at this point. this is the time in the campaign— week at this point. this is the time in the campaign where _ week at this point. this is the time in the campaign where even - week at this point. this is the time in the campaign where even by- in the campaign where even by default — in the campaign where even by default it— in the campaign where even by default it should _ in the campaign where even by default it should be _ in the campaign where even by. default it should be getting easier for the _ default it should be getting easier for the tories. _ default it should be getting easier for the tories. they _ default it should be getting easier for the tories. they are _ default it should be getting easier for the tories. they are so - default it should be getting easier for the tories. they are so far i for the tories. they are so far behind. — for the tories. they are so far behind. press— for the tories. they are so far behind, press attention - for the tories. they are so farj behind, press attention would for the tories. they are so far i behind, press attention would be focusing — behind, press attention would be focusing to — behind, press attention would be focusing to what _ behind, press attention would be focusing to what labour - behind, press attention would be focusing to what labour would i behind, press attention would be| focusing to what labour would be doing _ focusing to what labour would be doing in— focusing to what labour would be doing in government, _ focusing to what labour would be doing in government, more i focusing to what labour would be doing in government, more focus focusing to what labour would be i doing in government, more focus on farage, _ doing in government, more focus on farage, but — doing in government, more focus on farage, but they— doing in government, more focus on farage, but they have _ doing in government, more focus on farage, but they have instead - doing in government, more focus on farage, but they have instead kept i farage, but they have instead kept the spotlight — farage, but they have instead kept the spotlight on _ farage, but they have instead kept the spotlight on themselves - farage, but they have instead kept the spotlight on themselves in - farage, but they have instead kept the spotlight on themselves in the| the spotlight on themselves in the worst_ the spotlight on themselves in the worst my — the spotlight on themselves in the worst my the _ the spotlight on themselves in the worst way. the prime _ the spotlight on themselves in the worst way. the prime minister- the spotlight on themselves in thei worst way. the prime minister has nothing to— worst way. the prime minister has nothing to do with _ worst way. the prime minister has nothing to do with the _ worst way. the prime minister has nothing to do with the allegationsi nothing to do with the allegations but his— nothing to do with the allegations but his failure _ nothing to do with the allegations but his failure to _ nothing to do with the allegations but his failure to act _ nothing to do with the allegations but his failure to act is _ nothing to do with the allegations but his failure to act is the - nothing to do with the allegations but his failure to act is the reason it has— but his failure to act is the reason it has played _ but his failure to act is the reason it has played out— but his failure to act is the reason it has played out for— but his failure to act is the reason it has played out for as _ but his failure to act is the reason it has played out for as long - but his failure to act is the reason it has played out for as long as i but his failure to act is the reason it has played out for as long as iti it has played out for as long as it has _ it has played out for as long as it has. ,, ., , . �* has. stay with us, we aren't letting ou no has. stay with us, we aren't letting you go anywhere! _ sir alistair graham was chairman of the committee on standards in public life from 2004 to 2007. thank you for talking to us. how do you assess what's going on here? well i think it is pretty poor behaviour, particularly when you've got what were senior public servants, clearly taking advantage of inside information, if the allegations turn out to be true. and also for the candidates themselves. if they are seeking to be public officials as members of parliament they have to abide by the seven principles of public life, known as the nolan principles, and one of the key principles is that you put public interest before personal gain. we seem to have some examples, how many we don't really know, where in fact people have put personal gain before the wider public interest, the position of the government, of the political party that they support. and i agree with one of your panellists that this is in danger of undermining further trust in british politics and that's a very potentially dangerous situation. because if you lose this trust in politics, as we've seen right across europe now, you tend to get moved to extreme politics and that's something we certainly don't needin that's something we certainly don't need in this country.— that's something we certainly don't need in this country. when you say, if we lose trust _ need in this country. when you say, if we lose trust in _ need in this country. when you say, if we lose trust in politics, - need in this country. when you say, if we lose trust in politics, from - if we lose trust in politics, from your experience, when you look at certain politicians's behaviour over the years, where does this rank? well, i don't think it's quite as serious as, say, the expenses scandal we had a few years ago. but i think the worry is that it confirms people's suspicions of the moment, that they can't trust politicians and they are all out for personal gain rather than looking for the broader public interest. if that gets deeply held by large numbers of people, that's not good for our country. 50. numbers of people, that's not good for our country-— for our country. so, what's the solution? _ for our country. so, what's the solution? people _ for our country. so, what's the solution? people generally - for our country. so, what's the - solution? people generally behaving better? banning politicians? banning them from making political bets? i don't know about the batting, what the rules need to be in relation to that, but let's face it, if you are a senior public servant and you've had all of the partygate type issues, you don't need a very strong antenna to tell you that it would be particularly stupid to place a bet on the date of the election. but there are a mass of proposals that have been put forward by my own committee, the committee on standards in public life, which have gone to the prime minister, and i think hardly any of them have been introduced. they would put a number of the current arrangements on a statutory basis and of course the prime minister could have given the ministerial adviser on standards discretion to open investigations themselves. a lot of people pressed him to do that. he didn't do it, because he isn't taking the issue of public standards seriously and he may well pay a heavy price in this election. ., ~ may well pay a heavy price in this election. . ~ , ., , . may well pay a heavy price in this election. . ~ , . . �* election. thank you very much. we've had a resoonse. _ election. thank you very much. we've had a response, nick, _ election. thank you very much. we've had a response, nick, from _ election. thank you very much. we've had a response, nick, from the - had a response, nick, from the gambling commission?- had a response, nick, from the gambling commission? that's right, a sokesman gambling commission? that's right, a spokesman say _ gambling commission? that's right, a spokesman say that _ gambling commission? that's right, a spokesman say that they _ gambling commission? that's right, a spokesman say that they regulate - spokesman say that they regulate gambling in the interests of consumers and the wider public. the commission— consumers and the wider public. the commission is investigating the possibility of offences concerning the date — possibility of offences concerning the date of the election. this is an ongoing _ the date of the election. this is an ongoing investigation and the commission cannot provide further details _ commission cannot provide further details at — commission cannot provide further details at this time stop finally they say— details at this time stop finally they say they are not confirming or denying _ they say they are not confirming or denying the identity of any individuals involved in the investigation. let's take a quick look at a few of the front pages. the daily mail is leading with an exclusive interview with sir keir starmer, they say that daily mail readers were right about labour in 2019 and that's why they've changed. in the daily telegraph, england topping the group and avoiding the germans. anyone here an england supporter? i germans. anyone here an england su orter? ., . germans. anyone here an england summer?— supporter? i watched the first half and i'm actually _ supporter? i watched the first half and i'm actually glad _ supporter? i watched the first half and i'm actually glad i'm - supporter? i watched the first half and i'm actually glad i'm here! - supporter? i watched the first half| and i'm actually glad i'm here! 0k! daily telegraph, cabinet minister claiming he won two thousand. and a picture ofjuliana sarge, also on the front page of the guardian, essentially released under a us plea deal. the daily express also. england doing just enough with a picture of harry kane. the daily express, farage, the uk must and funding france until the small boats are halted. the daily mirror, ending the gp scrabble at 8am, that's the pledge from keir starmer and wes streeting. and there is king charles welcoming the emperor ofjapan. do you care who england play next in the euros? i’m you care who england play next in the euros?— the euros? i'm glad it's not germany- _ the euros? i'm glad it's not germany- l— the euros? i'm glad it's not germany. i am _ the euros? i'm glad it's not germany. i am an - the euros? i'm glad it's not germany. i am an arsenal. the euros? i'm glad it's not - germany. i am an arsenal supporter so i'm used to disappointment. i hope they do better in the next stage. hope they do better in the next sta . e. hope they do better in the next state. , ., ., , hope they do better in the next state. ., stage. there were boos from the en . land stage. there were boos from the england supporters. _ stage. there were boos from the england supporters. they - stage. there were boos from the england supporters. they will. stage. there were boos from the england supporters. they will go j england supporters. they will go into the better half of the draw, notes, france or germany. king charles, there. _ notes, france or germany. king charles, there. did _ notes, france or germany. king charles, there. did i _ notes, france or germany. king charles, there. did i get - notes, france or germany. king charles, there. did i get his - notes, france or germany. king l charles, there. did i get his name wron: ? charles, there. did i get his name wrong? prince _ charles, there. did i get his name wrong? prince charles! _ charles, there. did i get his name wrong? prince charles! my - charles, there. did i get his name wrong? prince charles! my word, | charles, there. did i get his name - wrong? prince charles! my word, and ou were wrong? prince charles! my word, and you were so — wrong? prince charles! my word, and you were so polite! _ wrong? prince charles! my word, and you were so polite! thank— wrong? prince charles! my word, and you were so polite! thank you - wrong? prince charles! my word, and you were so polite! thank you for - you were so polite! thank you for picking me up on that. right, what's going to happen if the media continue investigating candidates and whether they placed political or not. it is ourjob but can we get to a point where we are talking about dozens of candidates being kicked out over the next week?— dozens of candidates being kicked out over the next week? we've got to net it in out over the next week? we've got to get it in persmetive — out over the next week? we've got to get it in perspective and _ out over the next week? we've got to get it in perspective and as _ out over the next week? we've got to get it in perspective and as you - get it in perspective and as you said in— get it in perspective and as you said in your— get it in perspective and as you said in your opener, _ get it in perspective and as you said in your opener, there - get it in perspective and as you said in your opener, there is. get it in perspective and as you said in your opener, there is a i said in your opener, there is a difference _ said in your opener, there is a difference between _ said in your opener, there is a difference between what's - said in your opener, there is a - difference between what's happened here when _ difference between what's happened here when there _ difference between what's happened here when there is _ difference between what's happened here when there is clearly _ difference between what's happened here when there is clearly a - difference between what's happened here when there is clearly a vested i here when there is clearly a vested financial— here when there is clearly a vested financial interest _ here when there is clearly a vested financial interest or— here when there is clearly a vested financial interest or potentially- here when there is clearly a vested financial interest or potentially a l financial interest or potentially a break _ financial interest or potentially a break in — financial interest or potentially a break in the _ financial interest or potentially a break in the law— financial interest or potentially a break in the law and _ financial interest or potentially a break in the law and other- financial interest or potentially a i break in the law and other practices where _ break in the law and other practices where people — break in the law and other practices where people haven't _ break in the law and other practices where people haven't followed - where people haven't followed particular— where people haven't followed particular rules. _ where people haven't followed particular rules. there - where people haven't followed particular rules. there has - where people haven't followed particular rules. there has to i where people haven't followed i particular rules. there has to be a decision — particular rules. there has to be a decision a— particular rules. there has to be a decision. a blanket, _ particular rules. there has to be a decision. a blanket, they're - particular rules. there has to be a decision. a blanket, they're all. particular rules. there has to be a decision. a blanket, they're all at| decision. a blanket, they're all at it, i decision. a blanket, they're all at it. idon't— decision. a blanket, they're all at it, idon't think— decision. a blanket, they're all at it, idon't thinkthat's_ decision. a blanket, they're all at it, i don't think that's where - decision. a blanket, they're all at it, i don't think that's where the i it, idon't think that's where the public— it, i don't think that's where the public are — it, i don't think that's where the public are and _ it, i don't think that's where the public are and they _ it, i don't think that's where the public are and they don't - it, i don't think that's where the public are and they don't want l it, i don't think that's where thej public are and they don't want it generalised _ public are and they don't want it generalised. the— public are and they don't want it generalised-— public are and they don't want it reneralised. ., , . _ generalised. the tories are saying that keir starmer _ generalised. the tories are saying that keir starmer has _ generalised. the tories are saying that keir starmer has set - generalised. the tories are saying that keir starmer has set a - generalised. the tories are saying that keir starmer has set a very i generalised. the tories are saying i that keir starmer has set a very low bar and _ that keir starmer has set a very low bar and the — that keir starmer has set a very low bar and the candidate who came up because _ bar and the candidate who came up because they are looking at all of the bets— because they are looking at all of the bets in— because they are looking at all of the bets in may. this isjust a candidate _ the bets in may. this isjust a candidate voting on their chances and that— candidate voting on their chances and that has popped up, so what else nright— and that has popped up, so what else might pop _ and that has popped up, so what else might pop up?— might pop up? that's what we'll see over the next _ might pop up? that's what we'll see over the next few _ might pop up? that's what we'll see over the next few days. _ might pop up? that's what we'll see over the next few days. is _ might pop up? that's what we'll see over the next few days. is it - might pop up? that's what we'll see over the next few days. is it going i over the next few days. is it going to be a problem? the over the next few days. is it going to be a problem?— to be a problem? the thing is, there's no _ to be a problem? the thing is, there's no reason _ to be a problem? the thing is, there's no reason i _ to be a problem? the thing is, there's no reason i can - to be a problem? the thing is, - there's no reason i can immediately think— there's no reason i can immediately think for— there's no reason i can immediately think for the — there's no reason i can immediately think for the gambling _ there's no reason i can immediately think for the gambling commissioni there's no reason i can immediately. think for the gambling commission to start investigating _ think for the gambling commission to start investigating this. _ think for the gambling commission to start investigating this. apparently. start investigating this. apparently this came — start investigating this. apparently this came up — start investigating this. apparently this came up as— start investigating this. apparently this came up as a _ start investigating this. apparently this came up as a fluke. _ start investigating this. apparently this came up as a fluke. if- start investigating this. apparently this came up as a fluke. if they- start investigating this. apparently this came up as a fluke. if they for| this came up as a fluke. if they for any reason, — this came up as a fluke. if they for any reason, as— this came up as a fluke. if they for any reason, as i_ this came up as a fluke. if they for any reason, as i understand - this came up as a fluke. if they for any reason, as i understand it, - this came up as a fluke. if they fori any reason, as i understand it, this is fairly— any reason, as i understand it, this is fairly standard _ any reason, as i understand it, this is fairly standard practice. - any reason, as i understand it, this is fairly standard practice. lots - any reason, as i understand it, this is fairly standard practice. lots of l is fairly standard practice. lots of people _ is fairly standard practice. lots of people place _ is fairly standard practice. lots of people place bets _ is fairly standard practice. lots of people place bets on _ is fairly standard practice. lots of people place bets on themselves| is fairly standard practice. lots of. people place bets on themselves as candidates — people place bets on themselves as candidates. this _ people place bets on themselves as candidates. this is _ people place bets on themselves as candidates. this is where _ people place bets on themselves as candidates. this is where you - people place bets on themselves as candidates. this is where you havei candidates. this is where you have the danger, — candidates. this is where you have the danger, if— candidates. this is where you have the danger, if the _ candidates. this is where you have the danger, if the allegation - candidates. this is where you have the danger, if the allegation is- the danger, if the allegation is true, — the danger, if the allegation is true, a — the danger, if the allegation is true, a serious _ the danger, if the allegation is true, a serious story— the danger, if the allegation is true, a serious story about - the danger, if the allegation is- true, a serious story about insider betting. _ true, a serious story about insider betting. turning _ true, a serious story about insider betting, turning into— true, a serious story about insider betting, turning into quite - true, a serious story about insider betting, turning into quite a - true, a serious story about insider betting, turning into quite a silly. betting, turning into quite a silly nwrat— betting, turning into quite a silly moral panic— betting, turning into quite a silly moral panic where _ betting, turning into quite a silly moral panic where you _ betting, turning into quite a silly moral panic where you have - betting, turning into quite a silly. moral panic where you have dozens betting, turning into quite a silly- moral panic where you have dozens of candidates _ moral panic where you have dozens of candidates who — moral panic where you have dozens of candidates who have _ moral panic where you have dozens of candidates who have done _ moral panic where you have dozens of candidates who have done nothing - candidates who have done nothing wrong, _ candidates who have done nothing wrong, haven't— candidates who have done nothing wrong, haven't broken— candidates who have done nothing wrong, haven't broken any- candidates who have done nothing wrong, haven't broken any rules, i wrong, haven't broken any rules, placing _ wrong, haven't broken any rules, placing a — wrong, haven't broken any rules, placing a flutter— wrong, haven't broken any rules, placing a flutter on _ wrong, haven't broken any rules, placing a flutter on themselves . wrong, haven't broken any rules, . placing a flutter on themselves and based _ placing a flutter on themselves and based on _ placing a flutter on themselves and based on the — placing a flutter on themselves and based on the precedent _ placing a flutter on themselves and based on the precedent that - placing a flutter on themselves and based on the precedent that keir. based on the precedent that keir starmer— based on the precedent that keir starmer has _ based on the precedent that keir starmer has set _ based on the precedent that keir starmer has set we _ based on the precedent that keir starmer has set we end - based on the precedent that keir starmer has set we end up- based on the precedent that keir- starmer has set we end up suspending them by— starmer has set we end up suspending them by the _ starmer has set we end up suspending them by the score, _ starmer has set we end up suspending them by the score, potentially, - them by the score, potentially, depending _ them by the score, potentially, depending on— them by the score, potentially, depending on how— them by the score, potentially, depending on how many- them by the score, potentially, depending on how many come i them by the score, potentially, . depending on how many come up them by the score, potentially, - depending on how many come up and that would _ depending on how many come up and that would be — depending on how many come up and that would be deeply _ depending on how many come up and that would be deeply unfortunate - depending on how many come up and that would be deeply unfortunate andj that would be deeply unfortunate and it wouldn't _ that would be deeply unfortunate and it wouldn't help — that would be deeply unfortunate and it wouldn't help democracy _ that would be deeply unfortunate and it wouldn't help democracy and - that would be deeply unfortunate and it wouldn't help democracy and it - it wouldn't help democracy and it wouldn't — it wouldn't help democracy and it wouldn't be — it wouldn't help democracy and it wouldn't be fair— it wouldn't help democracy and it wouldn't be fair on _ it wouldn't help democracy and it wouldn't be fair on the _ it wouldn't help democracy and iti wouldn't be fair on the candidates and correct — wouldn't be fair on the candidates and correct for— wouldn't be fair on the candidates and correct for public _ wouldn't be fair on the candidates and correct for public trust - wouldn't be fair on the candidates and correct for public trust in - and correct for public trust in politics _ and correct for public trust in politics we _ and correct for public trust in politics. we need _ and correct for public trust in politics. we need to- and correct for public trust in politics. we need to be - and correct for public trust in . politics. we need to be careful. and correct for public trust in - politics. we need to be careful. it is good _ politics. we need to be careful. it is good to— politics. we need to be careful. it is good to have _ politics. we need to be careful. it is good to have those _ politics. we need to be careful. it is good to have those instincts i politics. we need to be careful. it is good to have those instincts ifi is good to have those instincts if it is one — is good to have those instincts if it is one guy _ is good to have those instincts if it is one guy if— is good to have those instincts if it is one guy-— it is one guy. if we look at the ractice it is one guy. if we look at the practice which _ it is one guy. if we look at the practice which has _ it is one guy. if we look at the practice which has happened i it is one guy. if we look at the | practice which has happened in it is one guy. if we look at the - practice which has happened in the past, _ practice which has happened in the past, a _ practice which has happened in the past, a party or parties in a by—election where you place quite bil by—election where you place quite big bets _ by—election where you place quite big bets on a particular candidates that gets — big bets on a particular candidates that gets them up in the betting stakes— that gets them up in the betting stakes and then you can say, we are doing _ stakes and then you can say, we are doing well — stakes and then you can say, we are doing well. that is a practice that i doing well. that is a practice that i believe — doing well. that is a practice that i believe has happened in the past. i believe has happened in the past. ithink— i believe has happened in the past. i think your— i believe has happened in the past. i think your guest made the point... i think your guest made the point... i appreciate, i'm i think your guest made the point... iappreciate, i'm not i think your guest made the point... i appreciate, i'm not a politician, that some people are trying to downplay this but i think there is exactly what nick says, there's an opportunity for people to manipulate the proper voting system. ifind it very troubling that people who you want to go into public office are betting. it seems very sordid. it doesn't seem right. it looks wrong and i think a lot of people will feel that way. i think so alistair was right, people want to go into public life, there should be the highest standards and that isn't happening. highest standards and that isn't ha eninu. , highest standards and that isn't happening-— highest standards and that isn't haueninu. , �* , happening. everything you've 'ust said applies fl happening. everything you've 'ust said appiies to i happening. everything you've 'ust said applies to the i happening. everything you've 'ust said applies to the police * happening. everything you've 'ust said applies to the police as h happening. everything you've just said applies to the police as well. | said applies to the police as well. absolutely. said applies to the police as well. absolutely-— said applies to the police as well. absolutel . , , �* ., absolutely. gambling isn't illegal, ri . ht? absolutely. gambling isn't illegal, right? there _ absolutely. gambling isn't illegal, right? there are _ absolutely. gambling isn't illegal, right? there are rules. _ absolutely. gambling isn't illegal, right? there are rules. we - absolutely. gambling isn't illegal, right? there are rules. we are - right? there are rules. we are talkini right? there are rules. we are talking specifically _ right? there are rules. we are talking specifically about - right? there are rules. we are i talking specifically about people, on the second question, the labour candidate, people who haven't broken the rules. it’s candidate, people who haven't broken the rules. 3 ., , candidate, people who haven't broken the rules. �*, . , ., the rules. it's all very well to say that it doesn't _ the rules. it's all very well to say that it doesn't pass _ the rules. it's all very well to say that it doesn't pass the - the rules. it's all very well to say that it doesn't pass the smell- the rules. it's all very well to say| that it doesn't pass the smell test but we _ that it doesn't pass the smell test but we have — that it doesn't pass the smell test but we have a _ that it doesn't pass the smell test but we have a responsibility - that it doesn't pass the smell test but we have a responsibility to - that it doesn't pass the smell test. but we have a responsibility to look at things— but we have a responsibility to look at things more _ but we have a responsibility to look at things more closely, _ but we have a responsibility to look at things more closely, and - but we have a responsibility to look at things more closely, and if- at things more closely, and if someone _ at things more closely, and if someone is _ at things more closely, and if someone is betting _ at things more closely, and if someone is betting and - at things more closely, and if someone is betting and thati at things more closely, and if- someone is betting and that turns out to— someone is betting and that turns out to be — someone is betting and that turns out to be totally— someone is betting and that turns out to be totally fine, _ someone is betting and that turns out to be totally fine, we - someone is betting and that turns out to be totally fine, we need... | out to be totally fine, we need... we need — out to be totally fine, we need... we need to— out to be totally fine, we need... we need to be _ out to be totally fine, we need... we need to be grown—up. - out to be totally fine, we need... we need to be grown—up. the. out to be totally fine, we need... we need to be grown-up. the alleged criminal conduct _ we need to be grown-up. the alleged criminal conduct he _ we need to be grown-up. the alleged criminal conduct he is _ we need to be grown-up. the alleged criminal conduct he is already - criminal conduct he is already illegal— criminal conduct he is already illegal and _ criminal conduct he is already illegal and is— criminal conduct he is already illegal and is being _ criminal conduct he is already i illegal and is being investigated. 0k, illegal and is being investigated. 0k. thank— illegal and is being investigated. 0k. thank you. _ illegal and is being investigated. 0k, thank you, we _ illegal and is being investigated. 0k, thank you, we are _ illegal and is being investigated. 0k, thank you, we are out- illegal and is being investigated. 0k, thank you, we are out of- illegal and is being investigated. . 0k, thank you, we are out of time. kirsty is here tomorrow. thanks for your company — have a good night.

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